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It's it's a awesome super fun time paranormal adventure show seriously Gary you're never allowed to name anything again You said we have left off Hey everybody. It's another episode of the wish show. We are actually coming to you guys this time with a guest and we apologize We actually missed a week. What is Easter?

Oh, that's right Because you spent so much damn time adjusting your microphone. Yeah, it's like the first thing you hit recording you started adjusting your microphone I never called in five seconds. Yeah, is that the kids are calling these days adjusting your microphone? I need to readjusting because there's a loose nut and so the microphone You're not taking yourself any hold there.

Yeah, there's loose nut now. Oh, Lord. Oh my anyway I am your host castle and today we've got with us lurch. Yeah, that's me and we've got Tim aka beaker What's happening formerly called this love over fight you in the I don't think we need to say fully known as anymore.

Yeah, you know Paul Welch was actually making fun of you for that the other day Per formerly calling you the fluff for insane that all the time. Yeah, I say just because it gets you a little bit by poking the pooper Whoa promise? Yeah Firepooken ouch and then also what this we've got peaches or brandy. Hello.

Oh, Bien is sick at home She says she loves you all she misses you all and she's got a fever. I thought my tech said what did your tech say? That's what my tech said. Oh, yeah, she's got fever and silent down a little bit of a fever for Cal Bell Also, and I have more Cal Bell.

I certainly shouldn't neglect him but tonight we have a guest Our guest name is Mike Wilson and he's actually calling in from Boise, Idaho Mike is it okay for username I guess it's too late since Gary already called you out Even I'd have there's got a thousand of them so I'm not too worried about it. Why don't we give us home address while you're at it? Yeah, how much how much like I guess you probably don't want me to mention your business or do you? Okay, so can we just like generalize that you work for let's see a I don't know what type of a business which city you're in Design screen printing.

Okay, cool. So just for those people that are listening I've known Mike for I don't know how long it how when was it that we started playing a band together about 20 years ago? Holy cow Yeah, you you play the guitar with two or three other people in our group And I was playing on drums and I remember at the beginning of every or not every practice But most practices you know We kind of chit chat and the ones that stand out most to me are the the times when we would talk about ghost stories I don't know how we got on the topic, but it was I thought it was pretty fascinating Because I know Carly in our group she talked about Having paranormal experiences as well And I remember you had some pretty amazing ones and and mine were always like yeah I know someone that I spoke to that had a roommate whose brother Went to stay at someone's house and they said that they had a ghost and so it was never firsthand experiences But anyways, I reached out to you a couple weeks ago because I know that you had some amazing experiences So I wanted to kind of like go over some of the emails that you sent me and maybe if you can like add in some personal experiences Well, would would that be okay? Oh sure.

Okay, so the first email that you sent me I remember you talking about you were at home one night and There was like a doorknob rattling. Can you kind of elaborate a little bit on that? What exactly happened? Okay, so um there for a while from up from from my late teens until I don't know About 30s.

I was having weird stuff happen all the time. It doesn't seem like I don't know now I don't have anything like that happen, but Doorknob thing happened in my apartment my apartment my apartment between you and my wife and my little baby daughter at the time We have weird stuff happen there all the time and the instance you're speaking about is um my wife worked across town at Sears call center at the time and She worked at night Anyways, there's nobody in the apartment. I was sitting sitting playing a video game on computer and the computer set There was like a portion with a window and I could see the front door I could see the door knob and all of a sudden I'm sitting there and I watched the door knob twist and open like somebody Stuck keys in it and the door creaked open. That was evening outside I said there for about three minutes playing my game.

I figured out amber must have groceries I don't know so go to the front door and look I'll look out and lock up. There's no car there Kind of set there for a second walk to the edge of the sidewalk to see if maybe she parked in a different slot She was out there nowhere to be found that time, you know, not everybody had cell phones So I went inside and made a landline culture her work and she's still there So you have to keep in mind that the apartment door was locked completely, you know, we had, you know The turn locked it automatically locks like so much open and open the door Did you have a deadbolt on as well or was it just the lock on the knob itself? Exactly, there's just a lot of but but so yeah, I mean that part has stuff happen all the time I remember being woke up a few times in the dark, you know, somebody touching me saying Michael Michael wake up and you know I always hear those terrible stories about how you're like a how they say, you know, um, to dunk it I don't know. I don't know where I'm going for like a sleep paralysis or what are you talking about?

This was a little lady a little return like lady Like I mean, I can see shadows in the dark at first hand touching me Michael I go yeah I wake up and I see her sitting on the edge of the bed and I'd be like, well, you know, jerk awake and there wouldn't be anybody there We would see we would see people walk by her bathroom You know you're standing in the bathroom and the door would be open to see a flash of white go by in the hallway That happened constantly. Yeah, so shadow figures or anything like that What was that shadow figures is that the kind of thing that you'd see or or were they more distinct where they did they have more of a form to them? It was like a white flash a white flash standing there in the mirror and you just see something walk past yeah now Do you might jump in real quick now? I think you mentioned Mike that you saw what you like you woke up and you saw like a little lady sitting on the end of your bed How did you can describe how clear she was what she looked like?

I mean was she fuzzy was she like a silhouette did you have like did you have like foreboding feelings towards her or was was it kind of Like a good feeling were you frightened? At all I mean it was always on the edge of the bed like like touching me when I say always I can only remember having about three or four times But like she had like a hat on like all I can think of is like me purple for me. Yeah, yeah with the price tag still hanging Yeah, that's kind of what it was like But yeah, and you know Amber had had weird stuff happen I told Jeff I asked Amber there was something to happen with our CD player Yes, I remember you telling me this to practice one night You said something about how you heard a song come on your CD player and you didn't quite recognize the song and It was over touching the stereo or the CD player and now this is this is according my wife Amber It was really staring a really freak out and you know she's over there getting it and a son kit It's like a son came on on the CD player, but there wasn't a CD yet That is weird there wasn't a CD in the CD player at all was it a multi-desk or just a single disc And there wasn't a CD in there wow that's that that would freak me out a little bit I did you say that you have used to have stuff like move around your apartment like I remember one time I think I think it was you mentioning like you'd put a watch down and you would leave and then you'd come back And the watch would be gone and then you'd find it again three days later in another room and another part of your your apartment or something like that Yes, that stuff exactly like you described up all the time. Yeah, we things got really crazy when we're getting ready to move Um, well, you know different while I don't like what was ever there kind of get used to us Yeah, we kind of we can be an ever sit down like you know, we were kids and it sounds really goofy now But I think back on it, but we were like, okay, you know, we're here you're here Give us a break.

We won't bother you don't bother us, you know, and like this conversation with whatever was there Yeah, and it's not it's not for a while so we're getting ready to move and then it's like everything seriously at the fan Amber what's in the kitchen clean it up under the sink and stuff happens to boxes and The sink turned on and she was like, whoa, this is weird and get something folded on up the table and great and Yeah, really really sketched out at that time I said was an instance and aja was aja was behind and a half or so and it gets so scary and the air and stuff Got so heavy and weird in there. It's just my parents. Yeah, I moved out of the apartment. Yeah, that's we I'm sorry to interrupt Go ahead.

Okay. I was just gonna say that you know, we have we hear stories like that all the time special when we go to a private Residences about how people will almost have conversations with whatever's there and just say, you know, hey look give us a break Cut us some slack leave us alone We aren't here to hurt you, you know, please don't hurt us and it'll stop for a little while But then when when they're getting ready to do something else whether to move out the apartment or it's been a long time since any activities happen It's almost like it needs that attention again like hey, I'm still here Look at me, you know, I can I can do this and I've got all my energy and I'm gonna make all this crazy stuff happen But that sounds really typical from from past experiences from from what we've done with investigations right as you're saying What else is kind of interesting is we've noticed with investigations Things will be quiet once someone starts renovating or really starts mixing things up I e moving would be a good example activity can really ratchet up pretty quickly now I did have one question for you Mike you mentioned you guys moved when you guys moved to your new place did any activity follow you guys We've got a lot of these cases Do you think it was the same entity that followed you to the new place? Yeah, but we moved into a new place and you started having similar activity happening Happen after moved yeah, cuz sometimes people will experience that where they've got kind of attachments and even though they move They'll still be something that follows them Yeah, they actually go from one location to another but that's good that it left you alone because it sounds like you kind of need a little bit of a Break after a while I think you also mentioned that there was like I mean I know that you talked about the CD player without the CDs in it But didn't you say that you also had like applications on your computer that would constantly get shuffled around and Radio stations being changed things like that What would you what would you say was like the most memorable experience living in that apartment what I mean other than waking up in the middle The night to mini purls sitting at the foot of your bed and the door knob opening was there anything that you can think of that Was really memorable door knob that was it? You know while you're telling me that to the hair on my arms was standing up.

Yeah, yeah, that's that that would be Definitely freak me out a little bit. The other thing that I want to talk to you about too was you talked about While being at your printer shop late one night and would you mind elaborate a little bit on that? I remember you being on Broadway too That's where I had the Audition for for the band to your mom was printing in the back shop and we're making all this rack and I look over and your family's there Printing I'm just like wow there very tall or the noise we're making so good times So we're working I'm working down at a location late one night Now everybody always talked about weird things happening there like my stepdad had a Briar that he was you know, you know, exiles. We hear screen shirts Turn the dryer off, you know, he's getting ready to do something else came back and the dryer was turned on again Now this this dryer takes two switches you have to go up and flip the line and then you have to turn the belt on Well, uh the thing he like when you whack walk back over to it He's the only one in the shop and the thing is on high full speed like it's you know Like I can compare to it's like the Lucille and Apple episode of Lucy where they got the thing turned up And that's what he explained that the belt was doing So yeah, so we're talking about two power switches to turn this thing off.

Yeah, and you know He turns it off walks away from it comes back and it's on so my experience and they're working late one night folding paper and took a break from it went into the bathroom and Which opened the bathroom door after I was done as you know in their few minutes Now the whole shop is locked up here and there late. You're just there by yourself and it's late at night Very late. That's like early morning It's probably between the night one in the morning and go to the bathroom Do you might think in there start to open the door and the door the door pushes out? Yeah, I go to open the door and this cabinet that was on on the office of not opposite from me But I was I guess to use I don't know how to explain it really Anyways, let's just say this huge cabinet moved out in front of the door This had to be loaded down hundreds of pounds worth of equipment There's a big paper cabinet and it's completely full of paper and this thing must have moved out from the wall Six issues and block it.

Yeah, I see the I'm sorry. I didn't interrupt you I was just gonna say I see the the drawing that you made and you did a really good Rendering about how the bathroom door opens up and it had the the cabinet right in the corner almost in front of the door But then you can you just drew the diagram about how the cabinet must have moved about 12 to 14 inches away from the door And you approximate it at about six to eight hundred pounds because it's loaded with with paper and different different equipment So yeah, I put it on top of it and it's not paper So I hear this cabinet has moved on me and I go to open it and it's like up, you know, very funny And then I start pulling out games off every phone, you know, I've asked my stepdad At the key at the time my wife would have a key and my mom would have a key My mom doesn't cry very often or probably about 15 minutes away and embers a good half hour away Yeah, so all I like to think of was marking down there is, you know, having fun with me and and locked me in the bathroom So I go to open it the door and I realize that this cabinet is in front of me and still I want to say a very funny very funny mark, but let me out and There's there's no answer. There's nothing and a point it seemed like it was a long time It was a few seconds. Yeah, I start panicking like how am I gonna do this bathroom?

So fortunately since the door did push since it pushed out I was able to push with all my strength I mean it took an effort to move this cabinet and then weasel my way through the door and pull myself out to get out It was very very freaky. Hello. I ran out bone and made a cult my parents house of course mark answer And I was you know, I want to get done that night and I came back in the morning. Yeah, I Scary that's the scariest thing that's ever out time time to stop and then call it night and finish up in the morning How long would you say it took for you to push the door open with the cabinet in front of it?

But just like that's just like And you know, that's that's usually the the time in the night when really weird stuff starts happening to from our experiences It's usually around, you know, two three o'clock in the morning when we hear stories about people having these really bizarre encounters So that's that you'd say that that's probably the most scariest thing that ever happened to you or the most interesting or That's definitely the most scary thing. Yeah, oh, just just because I felt trapped I know, you know part of me wanted to run through the entire shop to make sure but nobody was there the thing about this cabinet is I can't like I told you have to go to good It's been like 10 to 12 inches. Okay, from the ball in front of the door There's no way this thing could have scooted out without making noise that I would Yeah, and you weren't in for very long in the bathroom by yourself Yeah, and there are no windows in the bathroom. No, yeah Yeah, I can imagine I would feel a little claustrophobic myself Yeah, I would definitely make me panic too and then you know the the fight or flight instinct when you're just pushing on the door So I could definitely imagine how how panicked I'd be as well the the most interesting story that you sent me though had to deal with a trip to Idaho with your your family and I think it'd be best if you just kind of explain that for for so do you want me to set it up at all or do you might just Kind of start from the beginning.

Yeah, I'll do I'll do the best I can. Okay, you've got the story. So if I miss anything So I was I remember I just turned 21 it was 96 we were it was a family trip. Well, not really family, you know My dad my dad is a policeman and he died, you know, when I was a kid and you like this band doctor Oh, yeah, I'm sure you guys heard it.

Oh, yeah, I stounced anyways They were playing in jackpot my mom and my wife now and my sister and her friend they were underage but they were able To go because I we're gonna go down and hear this So, you know, we we ran it from a jackpot went down state and I had a good time watching the concert and on the way back You know my mom's the next day. She said let's take a day trip. Let's go up to the church on falls I will stop by my old town town hands and you know, it's on the way. So like, okay And then she's like, oh, yeah, we can't let me show you guys this well This is a school that you know taught from kindergarten through 12th But they had all the classes in it really small town.

Yeah, even to this day's maybe like I have a population When my mom was there was about 400 people 400 people. Yeah, that is small So let's go check out the school They might be talking during school down this year. Oh, my con just second. We're I think we had some bad connection over a second Okay, all right, let's try that again.

Go ahead. Okay from where? Back up like that talk about Hanson. There you go.

Okay. Yeah, so Hanson 400 people so My mom had talked to some friends down there and they said that this will was getting torn down at a brand new high school Over the summer and they're supposed to have been going you know by fall. So this is this isn't the school I'm thinking this is about June Because it seems like at that time the falls were really high and that was her idea to go there So you know So it's just don't fall so it's okay. So I'm excited to have the Hanson and pull up we pull up to the school and you know, I Told you gotta look like but this is like a whole lot That looks like North junior high which I type of building.

It's got you know an old early 19th I mean, I let's say 1900 school building I know you go to North junior high as well Mike. Oh, did you go to North junior high as well? No, no my sister, okay, so if anyone's listening and wants kind of know what this building looks like I did go to North junior high if you if you if you go like images for North junior high and Boise, Idaho You kind of get a look at the building Brick turn of the century early 1920s 1930s style building outdated, but yeah, that's that's that's kind of what you'd said the building looked like Correct. Correct.

Awesome. So we pull up in front of the cars my mom's got her bark and my mom my sister and my sister's friend with her Amber and me or my pickup I think we were following we pulled up my mom and my mom and the girls had already unloaded and you know We're kind of standing standing there me and Amber get out and she looks off to the up to the left and oh, there's portals And you know she starts meandering over there. So we're following her and we're not really paying attention And not from our right side this guy comes up to us and you know, what are you doing? You know, and he's got this you know like like trespassing and you know, we should be there and you know My mom's very chatty cat type of person and she sees this guy and runs up to a ball I would just pull here blah blah blah my friends.

They're on a school board blah blah blah blah They said the school's getting torn down this year blah blah blah and he stops yourself No, this is not going anywhere. I think you're cleaning it, you know Getting it ready for so we'll start up I really really quickly though. What can you describe what you look like? Yeah, I can't remember really anything just wishing about his face.

He had great hair He was in like great janitor coveralls. I want to think that you have a mustache seems like you did and you have a big ring of keys on his On his front belt, you know, it's just tucked in Just you know, just got in like class type clothes definitely like a guy cool. Okay, never got his name Didn't touch him. We were kind of standing around said my circle is my mom is chatting trying to you know talk to him and and you know And he says well, no school's not going anywhere.

I've been cleaning it You want to come and take around and you know look at look inside my mom's like, oh, that'd be great, you know Thanks. I'd love to show the kids around so this guy leads us through this school has I want to say it had And it had a landing that went down to a basement and had a main level and a top floor And it seems to me like you walked in and immediately downstairs and he starts leading us through this building in this building It looks brand new but it's sparkly shiny and my mom's I can't think of this building looks in the gymnasium and I've been you know what up in the forest all day and you know, we're all eventually upstairs and I remember looking at all the photographs of You know students on the wall throughout the years All the classes posted and the thing about this guys kept showing showing rooms in a massive ring of keys and I don't ever remember him Like all the way for the keys. It just seems like he just had the can is and open a door and we Yeah, I didn't say too much to anybody the whole time Until we were getting really illegal. I'll get to there in a second.

So I remember the very last room was it was computers and You know, my mom's still in disbelief and you know saying like Oh, I'm sure this whole time where my friends said it's getting torn down I remember you're hoping the door notice this is the secure glass and remember I remember glancing in there And you know, this was in 1996, but you open the door and I swear I saw some fossil Monitors where looks more like 1988 than I'm 26 so Especially we got side and you know, semi circle talking and the guys are saying anything I think I said, you know what it must be long working here and he said no It doesn't really get lonely and if it does the woman black doesn't sit and we're just like much Oh, we all get to stop and my sister's like a little friends with the web is that it? Yeah, the one in black That point like this guy's really kind of weird and this old situation is kind of weird and you know anyways We're like my mom's like, let's look at lunch. Well, let's go down to Hanson Cafe and get some lunch So we start to the car and we turn around with the guys out there, you know, and we had noticed The one we're still going to check now at that point. How far away would you say you were from the building?

Walk along the curb probably about So if you had had had a little conversation and then turned around you might have like seen him walk into a building But he just wasn't he wasn't there He just wasn't there don't remember talking to Sarah my mom like where did he go? Everything is just you know, just he was not no sound of he's jingling as you're walking as he's walking away No sound at all. No, no, and you know, this is a nice sunny June day Yeah, kind of a weird day have that this weirdness happens so you know the whole conversation You know me and Amber get in the car and we're like that was weird that guy was weird No, we're having this conversation like my mom said school's getting turned on with So so we go into the Hanson Cafe and her best friend, you know, this is a little farming town He's you know, all these old farmers that she knows are in there. She cuts in the place and everybody else is a little love She's like, you know, it's a town.

She's like, yeah, we just got by the school and And there's like oh, yeah, it's you know, it's all boarded up. They're gonna be turned down and we're like my sister's friends Like no, it's not, you know, we just walked through it and Terry laughs and says, yeah, she read it And by you know, my mom is uh, she doesn't want people to think that we're basically so she's just like yeah Yeah, just be quiet, quiet, there's not okay. Yeah, you know, my sister and a friend are talking It was just a very weird coincidence. So I understand what I get out of it.

Yeah, this school was boarded up and we weren't there That's I mean, that sounds like something straight out of the shining, you know It's more like the Twilight's I've told people this over the years. I went down to I just my mom down the answer my time to Yeah, she's older and she's still really good friends. You know, they all grew she was graduating class of 17 Yeah, they're like pulling sisters so I took her down to the classroom and what are the teachers was there? And you know, I'm telling them and they said, oh, she was like they didn't even wait to really break down school closed And like two weeks later the building got torn down and they had the other building in production.

Wow The singer of one of my bands, uh, real friends. She spent her last year so she was a senior at that high school You know, I told her the story and she said yeah, I was very well aware of that school getting torn down It was a big deal because it's never gonna You know, it's most closing out. We were the final class of that school So so after after that senior class went through they pretty much started Boarding it up and closing it down and ripping everything out and getting everything that wasn't nailed down Exactly. Wow.

So this is this is June. This is probably just a few weeks after that graduating class graduated Exactly. Yeah, okay. There's this there's this girl.

She said my mom said she was a few classes ahead of her I'm on my let's say like three or four years My mom said, you know, she's kind of a big kid at the time she wore all black and I think it was her senior year So she she had herself and My mom, you know after she's talked about it my mom's my mom's totally convinced that this the girl in black was the woman That guy was talking about Wow, that's just that he would see so that really does sound like an episode of the Twilight Zone It's it's really weird. It does because what I'm getting out of it is that you know, you went to a building that was boarded up But it was it was a mass illusion and and you basically had a conversation with the an apparition Yeah, exactly. The thing was is we never we never touched him. I totally remember that I never shook hands It's all it's weird, you know, we've all had that Her friend I see Sarah everyone so well we talk about it But yeah, that was that was a weird encounter.

I didn't feel scared to threaten her anything like that I really wish we'd gone back by this wall after we left lunch to see if it was boarded up Yeah, but we have to we plus we were into the falls by this point was like a clock and we decided to get over there Yeah, you know, I I would have I would have wanted to drive back by so I'm I'm I'm just appointed in your mic that you didn't go and do that because I would have I would have definitely freaked out if I had gone back by And then seen the building board boarded up and everything locked up and you know, no That it couldn't have just been boarded up within a few minutes after eating lunch. Oh, yeah Wow, that's I don't even know what to say because I've personally I've never experienced anything where I've even seen like a full figure apparition But I know that Brandy talks to talks to dead people all the time and she sees them as clear as day Yes, she does see that people Apparitions you see yeah, but have you ever had a conversation with one? No, the end though. However had that instance where that's right The cleaning lady come out of design building.

Yeah, so we were actually at a or I'm not sure if you want to tell the story Gary Yeah, I can tell it. There's a building in Salt Lake called design building. It's very haunted It's got quite a history to it, but on that particular evening We were gonna meet the end there for an investigation and she got there probably 30 minutes before the rest of us But she was kind of outside waiting for me Because I had the key and she basically was waiting and this little Hispanic housekeeper came out open the door for him Came out did some things and went back in Came back out and then left and essentially about a year later Yeah, I'm talking to the caretaker the building and he basically said there is no housekeeper The only person has a key is basically me and one other person who's never ever there and she's definitely not Hispanic housekeeper And so it would make sense to have housekeeper because the building design bank building it's in complete disarray It was condemned at the time. I was condemned they decided to renovate it recently But essentially it was condemned I mean there's nothing to clean it was kind of a crap all but the entire conversation that she had with her was just a few seconds Wasn't it and I don't know she even conversed with her I think she's came out and kind of opened the door and went back in and came back out and then was gone I'm like your gender with the keys Yeah But I mean to have him follow you around and to not even recognize him as an apparition But as a full you know, just a person as you or me would stand there in front of you I've never even heard anything like that.

So that's that's an amazing amazing experience Was there was there any other stories that you wanted to share is there anything else you can think of that? That'd be interesting to hear On the spot, you know, I never had a lot there wasn't that kind of thing I guess one thing when I was a kid now this is an experience that happened to me I was a Boise City police officer. Yeah, there was there was a Rec in Garden City at the edge Garden City and Boise You know the you know that magic recipe used to be Jeff. Yes.

Yes. Okay, so something happened There was kind of going into this because this is why I have a strong belief in the afterlife and you know, you know God and spirit and reality and everything I really think these things You're not alone we all do too So I'm right on the scene. I'm missing like there was a police officer who was doing the Garden City guy Wasn't doing what I was supposed to and they were chasing somebody of energy like a car rack I don't think it's a guy but prisoner in the back of the cop car One of the cops are anyway to turn into this big people pilot or three cars Yeah, and my dad arrived at the city Right to help pull somebody out the car and I guess that guy was on fire and you know, they can save the guy But there was a there was a guy that showed up and you know, so back in the eighties before people self-elchampers This is where guys showed up with camera and he's taking pictures of all the smoke and the explosions because you know So the cars on fire. Yeah, he's taking pictures of you know, all the smoke so I got off the skated camera because it was pretty pretty gross stuff what they hold out the bullet and A long time went by and my dad, you know, how all this film that he had to film so he took this film and and This is one You know what it was, but then he realized, you know, this is that film I got the skater from that guy and it's all this You know pictures cars really pink smoke all that kind of stuff and And one of the photos above the carters.

There is a perfect rope figure in pink I mean this you could draw it better. You can't see a head you can't beat or arm this perfect rope rope figure and It was my dad showed up to other officers and it ended up on a cover up like piece on officer magazines That was that was probably one of the things I saw right really Yeah, before the time of Photoshop and everything. Yeah, it was just believable. Yeah, that's that's really cool We we capture stuff like that all the time.

Yeah, usually it's not to that extent usually It's just maybe like orbs or or just shadows or just strange Misty shapes usually it's without form, but but Brandy are our psychic You know she can see an orb and she can see what type of a person it is You know we everyone else we just see like a ball of white light and she can actually see what the person looks like It described their their physical features and sometimes they're just energy and sometimes they are just energy too But those are some really amazing stories Mike did anyone else have any questions for him? No, I appreciate coming on the show on share with us Mike it made for a fantastic episode definitely I Think your voice sounds fine, but hey, I really want to thank you for coming on and taking the time And it's really good hearing from you. I know it's been a long time since we talked But I think hardly a day goes by when I don't think about the the good times we had playing in the band together And I definitely miss those days and I hope that you and your family are doing well So how to amber for me and I love seeing your kids growing up. They're growing up too fast Yeah, I think yeah, I think your oldest daughter was just barely born or no she's she's what 19 now I don't think she was even born when when we were living in Boise Right and I moved from Boise to Atlanta just months before 9 11 so that was in 2001 So she must have been a couple years old by the time I left.

Yeah, that's right. Wow time goes by fast Thank you Mike and we're gonna let you go Again, thanks for coming on a show and have a good night. Yeah, thanks so much. Thank you.

Bye. Bye. Bye That's pretty interesting It's kind of interesting to compare notes sometimes with some of what's happened with other people's stories versus what's happened with you know That we've experienced or or seen happen I mean, I don't know how to react to the story of going to the high school like you said because I mean That's like you said like we mentioned it's straight out of the episodes of the toilets You know there are though if you start looking at case studies there are similar case days where people have gone into places locations and talk to people and seen things and then come back later to find out the location and I can understand actually documented cases of that but this is a group of five people and they're all seeing the same thing They're all interacting with this one person that's leading them into a building and they're all seeing the same thing And then they come out and then they talk to the people in the town and it's like no the buildings boarded up No, let's blow everybody's mind here. If now if anybody wants to look up this documentary about dimensions on YouTube It's called the illusion of time.

It's a noble program It talks about how time is not linear as we perceive it and it kind of makes you wonder if maybe there's a janitor somewhere Back in the 80s talking about some weird family They showed up to see the school and then he turned around the family was gone. That's some kind of intersection about time Who knows? This is madam and standard. Yeah, they said their building's getting torn down, but we're not going anywhere New what the hell Yeah, so I'd be fascinated to see but yeah if if you can hear us go ahead and check out that illusion of time It's about an hour-long program on YouTube and it's very fascinating talks about time and how time doesn't function the way we think it functions And kind of makes you wonder if there's almost an intersection of time there that they encountered you know And I know as an investigator now like I I can say now like oh if I went that happened to me and someone said no The building's boarded up.

I would go back and check but like you know when this happened It was early 90s late 80s. I'm sorry late late 90s early. Yeah late 90s. I want to say so I mean for me I was I was still high school age.

I was like 18 if I heard that someone saying no that's boarded up There's nothing there. I probably wouldn't like yeah, let's get out of here. I've been breaking in breaking walls and actually probably No, my friends at them. They're doing going back and breaking in.

No, this is completely different And you know I'm fascinated by science as well. I have deep religious belief, but I'm fascinated by science and well I know there's a coexist. There's quite peaceably actually. There's a lot of I don't want to say evidence but there's a lot of theories about you know infinite number of Universes about an infinite number of parallel universes and wormholes and you know space-time continuum Multiverse things like that And so I can you know subscribe to what you're saying about how maybe there might have been a weird intersection of two different times And something that could have happened of course.

I'm jumping in the deep end with all these how go watch interstellar with Matthew McConan Dude seriously, I love that movie people I don't blow your mind people either love or hate that movie I think people that hate it just don't understand it It's a dude that's usually but they're probably those Bible thump and No, no, that's saying it's time travel. Jesus won't allow it You know, it's interesting though dark-sided persons I think we are really getting into like some deep thought I mean really there is a distinct possibility that maybe it wasn't intersection of time versus not necessarily paranormal event But again some kind of bubble if you will in like a space-time continuum thing What do you think we want to time travel when do we want it to relevant? What do you think Brady? Have you ever seen a person that you've talked to and?

Like every day Well, we're just gonna be a bit shorter one, but do we have any business that we want to talk about? Yeah, I'm just gonna say this. Yeah, we're doing this. My business is mass.

Next episode we're gonna have our near and dear friend on with us Paul Welch from Paranormal Varrassing Magazine Yeah, Paul's always a great guest. Do you want to talk about a needful things when he's on? Yeah, we can talk about the info thing. We'll talk about our alone in the mill We want to talk about the guy who do this one make him into a movie star.

Oh, yes, please. Let's bring that up So real quick. I just like my reaction was what the hell did you email that to me or I did I know that to all of you now? We get a lot of emails all the time about a lot of things and most of our people have legitimate ghost issues If Jesus is gonna put you in the movies, we're gonna make fun of you.

Yeah, if you email something absolutely crazy Okay, can I mention his name? No, we got a People personally call him so I actually I've Storry pulled up. Let me finish my disclaimer. I know let me finish my disclaimer If you contact us on actual ghost stuff like phenomena going on your house ham here in thumbs.

I'm here and I sign apparition I really really do want to have guests on show we want to have you guys talk about your stories But I mean if it seems so damn far-fetched and unbelievable We're not gonna have y'all my yeah I mean we're not gonna mock you and ridicule you behind your back if you have legitimate concerns because that's what we do You know when we we talk about non-believers about a paranormal investigations I worry about people think that I'm cuckoo so I'm really careful But yeah, if you have a legitimate concern, we're not gonna mock you if you send us out now this is out now cuckoo for Cuckapuffs like those and the ratings behind the lows and the it was it that that someone hoards of when to go Yeah, we have hordes of when to go hoards of when to go hoards of when to go how much legions of demons yeah legions of demons anyway So I'm gonna have work to go ahead and read this pretty email. Yes. Keep in mind. This is he's reading over Batum It's kind of it's written by madman so it kind of flows like it's written by madman, but for your entertainment here you go Okay, should I do a terrible show you a voice Sorry, yeah, please do about no, I won't do a voice They're not gonna do a voice.

I'll do a voice okay about in the early 1970s and 1980s I kept receiving strange visions in my dreams that Jesus Christ and his heavenly father the Yahweh in heaven were married to their spouses I dreamed that the first celestial humans existed first in heaven I always remembered the vision in my dreams ever since a little kid by the ending of 1985 I wanted to reveal this vision with a few of my friends in school so we could write out the song lyrics and create the rap song That's when on January 1st 1986 God spoke to the well-known lead singer the rap group run DMC and started a rumor about me that inspired the groups 1986 hit album raising hell Person I'm gonna admit the person's name My book portal to hell is accepted for publication on September 28th 2002 a month after on October 30th 2002 Jam Master J, whose real name is Jason Mizzell was brutally murdered in his Jamaica Queens, New York recording studio and tell the state of the killers have not been captured And his death remains a mystery it was in 1980 when God and Jesus Christ planned to turn me into a movie star God wanted me to experience the devil or hell for a few hours Then my soul would be placed back in my body so I can reach superstar status for fame and fortune This sinister plan an act of search for sorcery came from Jesus Christ and God himself Isaiah 45 verses 71 From the form was it from yeah from the light and create darkness I make peace and create evil the Lord do all these things and then he has a website link hyperlink JWWW. Jam Master J's unsolved death calm non-fiction documentary Can you play with the table or something because my yeah, please stop because my microphone is moving and it's driving the crap out of me Can you add something for like the terms and the agreement like you know if your stories batch at crazy will read it on the Yes, yeah Everybody you're welcome for sharing a little piece of a madness that we periodically get and as we get the really crazy emails We will share them if it's really legitimately go through lighted we we're not gonna mock you Yes, but if it's we try to take everything seriously But when you're claiming that run DMC stole your song because God gave it to him and they're gonna put you through hell So you become a movie star what we're gonna talk about that on the podcast Yeah, so full disclosure if you are crazy, you know the word sorcery and God and Jesus that just to me don't seem to go hand in hand No, they're a little contradictory That's some good stuff right there though. We've had a bunch of investigations. We want to talk about any of those at all We can let's talk about the one we did last night.

We didn't do one last night or the night before last night. We can do that Okay, what was that? Okay, so what I thought was interesting. We did a residential and we've been there a couple times and from what we understand Apparently we're dealing with a gym correct and I know we've talked about a gym like a genie Yes, essentially, that's kind of the genie legends are based off is he in a bottle?

Maybe now maybe did you see a song about Christine? That's right, you know that she's hot I grew up in the 90s where were you? You know in the 80s when you're growing up a lot of dudes that long hair just saying how was her Adam's apple? Anyways, what I thought was interesting is that you caden and Nate all showed up before I did and you know I don't really like the eye obvious because I don't trust it's just a phone app It's a phone app and there's nothing really in your phones that can He's not designed to do they're not designed to pick up anything like an actual obvious is But what I did think was interesting as soon as I got there and I rang the doorbell it popped up on the screen threat I'm it was afraid afraid threat anger and then it said war when I walked in the room So I mean it was it was kind of interesting.

I don't know how much I buy into that but this homeowner I thought it was unusual because normally when like Castle and I and one of the mediums show up to somebody's house. They don't leave They most of them insist on saying watching what we're doing but this gentleman that Living the house he left us along with his wife. He got another fast enough What happened with the wife nothing There are porno films that start with that same Bound to come bow well So here's what happened is I've come to deliver the pizza you wanted extra sausage I've come to lay the pipe in your broken fixture Wow, they call me Ted Mosby. I don't even know where to go with it.

I'm sorry So we show up and basically the husband's in the shower I've never met this guy and Essentially as soon as we get there we head down to the basement and then boom He was out. He did not want anything to do with it He didn't even like you know that was card like saying anything to me Like I think he came in the same yeah He was in his car when I got there I think he came in the house for a second then ran back outside gun was gone What are you doing? We didn't investigate very long. He left a trail of smoke going out yeah pretty much We started kind of poking around the house a little bit because most investigators that were there had not been in the house before We were told of like one of their animals one of the cats is very sick and sometimes like when they get up in the morning Like they said they'd been through like rear four cats or cats keep getting killed essentially well We were in the basement and there was like dried blood on the floor in one of the rooms in the basement a lot of red blood on the floor And the homeowner she's like I've never seen that before I don't know where they came from They did have one cat that was very sick.

I noticed like when we got there Caden This one of our mediums that we've talked about and we'll probably have him on a future episode He was kind of like sensing several spirits or entities at the house And I was kind of picking up on the same thing and at one point for me like I'm still kind of Trying to figure out how to you know sense things. I'm not as good as like Gary or Deanna or Katie Orban obviously, but I'm starting to get a little bit better but they got kind of confusing because it just seemed like there was a whole bunch and then it seemed like there was none and we were able to determine that It was actually three with one of them was trying to convince us that there was actually way more than there was there And I know we were doing ghost meter pros and we had two and two different rooms I had one in the bedroom caden had one in the living room And I'd ask a question and we would get the same response on both ghost meter ghost meters and I got to the point where I found that The family had had this thing with them for more than 10 years I'm not exactly sure how long it's been with them, but the information I was getting was that Whatever was there with them was summoned by the family they I got the information that they had been using weedy boards And that's what brought into the house You know they denied it and I you know I don't know for sure I just this is what I got off of the gosh meter pro and I told the lady I'm like well if we're dealing with I think we're dealing with those things lies so they could be lying about this information But I don't know for sure Ouija boards are bad Just don't play but I was I was actually told by caden apparently the homeowner the the husband had actually admitted on a previous investigation to using Ouija boards well, and it is interesting because And I think that we determined that something had jumped into the the female We actually mark up all of the brandy and she began acting very very strange She did not like Tim or kid being alone in the home back at one point Kim went upstairs So everybody's in the basement and asked me to come up because he wanted to talk to me That was Mark appalling with brandy and I had better service than the upstairs than I did in the basement So called Gary up and she followed on his heels like she couldn't get up the stairs fast enough to see what I was gonna say Was this the same residence where it had those three ladies and the krily referring to or is this a different one family? And this is kind of akin this investigation I think Tim will agree with me on this this is very similar to the one we did in to Willa that freaked everybody else It's kind of a similar situation as far as just that the individuals evolve in very very very So I know I know words that you are still kind of Failing out stones and the legitimacy of what they do. Yeah, I have a hard time putting stock into it What I like to do is I'll hand the homeowners a piece of selenite without telling them what it is and what it does Okay, and she's the first person I've ever handed the selenite to where it actually made her sick felt dizzy her ears were ringing He handed to her she goes why is my hand tingling?

Yeah, and selenite is I believe a salt based crystal and salt is one of the the pure It's a cleansing minerals That we actually used in some of our cleansing processes when we're trying to get a negative energy I've had it's all night to so many different people and the response I usually get is it feels like a whirlpool of just energy is being pulled Out of them because that's essentially what supposed to be cleansing I'm trying to talk about how her hand was tingling her hand was tingling she felt nauseous You're starting ringing she handed to her she had her hand and she's got this look on her face and goes Why is my hand tingling? I mean you can tell she was genuinely and she was kind of an easy she was genuinely concerned Why was tingling holding the stone? So I've never seen it react negatively to anybody. It's a positive stone It's designed to cleanse things it's salt.

I mean the salt is more or less a substance That's something that negative energy is not supposed to be touching or going anywhere near But yeah, it seriously had this look of concern on her face I eventually had to take it from her because it was it was seriously making her sick And I've never seen anyone react to say like that before we had one of our other investigators Chris who He practiced wakin it's he only focuses on the whites. He doesn't like doing the dark You know, he's the same mind set as us as he won't use a we do board He doesn't like doing sayances or any of that stuff for the time We've actually used Chris to do anything with regards to cleansing So we kind of give him for random this one because the family's not Christian so we said she told me she was like shindo or something Like that. Yeah, so we told Chris basically to do his thing and we just kind of sat back and that Chris to do is He was basically setting a ghost trap He was at a bottle in the middle of something he drew on the the ground and did his deal to try to basically trap the entities into the bottle and the theory behind it is from a white wicker thing is that basically that bottle Becomes a spirit trap and that negative spirits get drawn into and it becomes like a Pandora box get stuck in there and can't get out And if you open it, it's basically you're releasing it back out into The world and so in theory what you do is after you make this bottle within 24 hours It supposedly sucks in all the dark entities that are around that don't run away basically and as long as the bottle space sealed The house is protected if you break the bottle. It's bad juju And if you decide you don't want the bottle in your home, you're supposed to go out and bury it in your yard or throw it in running Water do you have anything you like to that rainy besides bigger said nuts?

Yes You know more about we can you know more about what can we do? Not to distract you from what you're doing on your phone because you seem really occupied and that seems more interesting than what we're talking I'm coloring, you know The interesting thing is is that at least today she's not like jumping out of her skin. I know right ADHD So what are your thoughts? Do you have any adding thoughts about what we're talking about?

Any experiences with jins rack my brain Anything happen in the last 24 40 hours that you can collaborate on I'm sure you see stuff like this all the time all the time all the time no as far as the capturing it in the bottle All of that is true. It's more on the white side or the light side as I like to say Not the dark side not the dark side of person time for the Jedi to end And yes, most people that I know choose not to have it in their home And we'll have somebody else dispose of it or they'll go and hide it somewhere and I'm filled somewhere and bury it but So whatever you don't take photos of people licking the bottle and then posting it on Instagram I don't think there's any licking of the bottles Interesting now and I can't explain what actually suggested to the homeowner that the base one was unfinished He said why don't you just kind of hide it in the the insulation here somewhere and then when the house is finished It's just outside of mind. You want to worry about the bottle ever break Yeah, I basically said hey just stick up in the joist and when you guys sheet rock over right up in the joist It's not a choice. No ones are gonna see it again.

It's gonna be safe and do that So what we thought was interesting is that I remember I was downstairs with Chris and I think Caden and Chris had taken the bottle and he went and hit it somewhere in the basement and Didn't tell the homeowner where he just said no I hit it You don't have to worry about it. It's taken care of why he did that and because she was acting weird She was not really really strange It wasn't just nothing seemed normal like she wanted to get it and open it up again So well exactly that is what we think is because after he said that he hit it She immediately started searching for it right right said I would put it wow And you could tell the entire time we're there that she was looking for that bottle In fact, I told him after left out I said I would not be surprised if her husband would turn the house part Yeah, if the voices in her head director were to find it Well, so we like it's a through the Marco Polo is actually able to determine it pushing on the table You're making my mic move like up and down an inch with the shock mounts were no, but still I'm just I see this somebody needs Up and down no just stop take your riddle in Sorry to interrupt your thought Tim go ahead as you work. Yeah, I don't know what I'm saying. I'll be happy I'm happy with the decision to you know Michael Polo So the Marco Polo and Brandi and we were able to determine that there was at least two type twos in the house We've decided to reclassify them because our team kept forgetting what a and b meant So we've gone from type two a to type two Type a and type C we went we will double and see a would be good just a normal person and be would be bad Okay, well, by the way type two's are usually bad because they're angry pissed off Yeah, but B would be bad.

Okay. A is awesome I made it up either way tight is officially worth it Okay, either the type two type two B's which are type two's are being controlled by type three there you go We had two of those one was actually in the homeowner like it had jumped in her speed on it jump in and you could see it in her behavior You're welcome everyone Because she was not acting normal I'm mark a pole of the entire house to be just and there was no sign of the T3 which leads me to believe that it Followed the husband and that's why he was trying to get out of there and at that point like with without him there There's not a lot we can do to get rid of it because it's not there It's not there well in the first right here at that type of investigation I explained to homeowner the night that basically because she kept asking well did you guys did it work? Did it work and I said look it's like mop in a house we can mop and clean your house all day long But as long as somebody keeps walking through with muddy feet, you know There's not enough mopping or cleaning in the world until you clean the feet off and then mom I think situations like that are really unusual because they're they reached out to you correct. Yes They wanted help well They're like super oppressed and what I mean they're almost borderline possession both of them where she's she's got you know a negative entity And he's got a demonic entity it's kind of like that they do want the help But I think at that particular time because the type two was jumped into her that it is anything that she was saying was pretty much Not her well and here's kind of thing is and our guests need to understand this as well If you have two people in the house and one one's helping other does not yeah You're not getting anywhere.

Yeah, and I think that's even from the get go from the very House the wife definitely wanted our help you can tell it's terrifying But the husband you just didn't seem to be in it at all And we've seen it on several investigations where one of the spouses well legitimately you can tell that they want to help They want it gone, but the other spouses not really believing that we can do it either not on board Or they're just comfortable with what they have going on in their life It's just been there so long that it feels normal to them So they're not really concerned again It's one of the situations where you're glad that brandy's not there because you wonder if that was this one not so This one didn't feel like that, but it was definitely one words like help us But we are especially with the husband jumping in the car and taking off as soon as we got there So did you even say anything to him did he say anything to me? I didn't even see him I couldn't pick him out of a crowd If you gave me a crowd of three people I couldn't tell you who he was because he was A crowd of three Like we said he couldn't get out of three Wow Yeah, he was in the shower and went downstairs and boom he's out the front door and gone crazy So anyway, well I think that's it for our episode tonight We do have a whole bunch of investigation scheduled coming up. We will be back again in a couple of weeks and other than that Everybody have a good night Jane you ignorant slut I know peace out butterflies or Jane You're listening to the Wisps was at your investigative studies for paranormal science They're grown as adults like to sit in the dark and talk to each other But they all love their moms so that should account for something