with Esther Loopstra (author, illustrator)

Esther Loopstra is a preacher's kid who survived her childhood using pattern recognition and creativity. Now she's a commercial illustrator and instructor using the neuroscience of creativity to inform her coaching and workshops. We talked about childhood suicidal ideation, not being allowed to listen to non-Christian music, and the direct correlation between the two.Her book "Think Like an Artist, Create Like a Mathematician: Harness Logic and Intuition To Find Your Flow And Step Into Who You Are Becoming" is out in November. She co-hosts The Flow Into Authenticity Podcast with her co-author, Allison Henrich.https://www.flowintoauthenticity.com/