Working as a Death Doula and Managing Death Anxiety with Niki DiGaetano (BPR #306)

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by LMNT, we are joined by Niki DiGaetano, known on trail as Phoenix. In addition to being a long distance backpacker, the bulk of today's conversation centers around Niki's work as a death doula. We learn, of course, what that work entails, how her experiences working with those at the end of their lives have reframed how she lives hers, advice for those currently processing the death of a loved one, dealing with anxieties around death, and much more. We wrap the show with how the Appalachian Trail has changed over the last 10 years, ridiculous features we'd like to see added to a backpack, and the triple crown of last meal orders. LMNT: Get a free sample pack with any order at drinklmnt.com/trek. Gossamer Gear: Use code "BACKPACKER20" for 20% off packs at gossamergear.com.  Burgeon Outdoor: Use code "BACKPACKER15" for 15% off at burgeonoutdoor.com. Betterment: Learn more at betterment.com/trek. Shady Rays: Use code "TREK" for 50% off two or more pairs of sunglasses at shadyrays.com. [divider] Interview with Niki DiGaetano Niki's Website Niki's Instagram Time stamps & Questions 00:05:10 - Reminders: Sign up for the Trek's newsletter, listen to our episodes ad-free on Patreon, and apply to blog for the Trek! 00:08:40 - Introducing Niki 00:10:19 - What is a death doula? 00:12:07 - How did you get into this field? 00:15:10 - How do you not get weighed down by the work? 00:17:05 - What does the training look like? 00:21:10 - What is the top piece of advice you have for preparing for a loved one's passing? 00:23:10 - How do you help people cope with death anxiety? 00:25:30 - How often are people prepared for death? 00:29:42 - How does religion and spirituality play into your work? 00:31:30 - What do you think comes next? 00:35:50 - What advice do you have for people in the grieving process? 00:38:50 - What do you think about the 5 Stages of Grief? 00:41:30 - What are the common regrets of people who are dying? 00:45:30 - How has your work intersected with hiking long trails? 00:47:47 - Tell us about your past relationship 00:55:20 - How did the trail help you grow? 00:56:00 - How did you meet your current partner? 01:00:30 - What are your plans for the future in terms of your career and hiking? 01:02:57 - How do you balance offering advice to your friends and family? 01:05:00 - Discussion about death anxiety 01:07:10 - Do you have any advice for someone debating about doing a thru-hike? 01:09:20 - Tell us about the book you're working on 01:10:37 - Stay Salty Question: What's your hottest take in the world of backpacking - or death? 01:12:23 - Where can people keep up with you? Segments Trek Propaganda Where Do You Need a Bear Canister on the PCT? By Katie Jackson 10 Ways the Appalachian Trail Has Changed in the Last 10 Years by Kelly Floro QOTD:  If you could add one ridiculous feature to a backpack—purely for entertainment—what would it be? Triple Crown of last meal orders Mail Bag 5 Star Review [divider] Check out our sound guy @my_boy_pauly/ and his coffee. Sign up for the Trek's newsletter Leave us a voicemail! Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)!  Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play. Support us on Patreon to get bonus content. Advertise on Backpacker Radio Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram. Follow Backpacker Radio, The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube. Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.  Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years. A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Alex Kindle, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Carl Houde, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Ethan Harwell, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg Martin, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Lauren F, Patrick Cianciolo, Rebecca Brave, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, Tracy 'Trigger' Fawns A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bells, Benjy Lowry, Bonnie Ackerman, Brett Vandiver, Chris Pyle, David, David Neal, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Greg Floravanti "Lumberjack", Jack Greene, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Luke Netjes, Merle Watkins, Peter, Ruth S, and Spencer Hinson.