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‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson

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The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson hop on the Staten Island Ferry and pop on their tennis shoes to revisit Mike Nichols’s 1988 classic, ‘Working Girl,’ starring Melanie Griffith, Harrison Ford, and Sigourney Weaver. Podcast Manager: Craig Horlbeck Video Producers: Ronak Nair and Marcelino Ortiz Shopping. Streaming. Savings. It’s on Prime Visit Amazon.com/prime to get more out of whatever you’re into. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The Rewatchables is brought to you by the Ringer podcast network. You can find Amanda Dobbins on the big picture. Dramatic return to you for the Rewatchables. I'm incredibly excited.

I was, you know, you have two kids now. I mean, you're busy and I was trying to ease you back, but now we get you back for stuff. You've been very respectful. You've been down in like a year and a half.

I know, but I'm back. I have to tell you in terms of like returning to the real world. This is like a real world of adults. Thank you so much for this opportunity.

Joanna Robinson is here as well. Hello. You don't live here, but every time you're here, I try to grab you for your watches now. It's true.

And it's like a great track record of movies that you've had me cover. So Working Girl. I can't believe it. Mentioned it a couple of weeks ago.

Yeah. You and Mallory when we were doing the Rewatchables. And I was like, we should do Working Girl and Mallory, who you've known now for how long? 10 years.

Said, I cannot do that. I cannot take that from Amanda. Give my spot to Amanda. And I was like, you're right.

Amanda has always said, Working Girl is the number one movie I would ever want to do in the Rewatchables. I've been waiting. It's my bad for forgetting that. And now we're going to do Working Girl.

Let's run the trailer. And then we'll go. Do we favor Pini? Yes.

Be my secretary. He wants to give her a chance. Hold all clothes, Miss McGill. Maybe I just don't like you.

You're a double crossing boss. I consider us a team test. Dossum. This woman is my secretary.

But this Working Girl is going to make it on her own. You are a police, Harrison Ford, Sigourney Weaver, and Melanie Griffith. What's going on in there? She's dusted.

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All right. Your favorite movie ever, Amanda Why? Perfect romantic comedy. But more than a romantic comedy?

It is a cultural artifact as well as a Cinderella story. Great cast. Got Harrison Ford take for later that I don't want to spoil. But very important.

One of the great movie songs, if not the great movie song. Well, I don't want to get enough of it. I'm like, it's in the trailer, right? We've already heard it, but incredible stuff.

The first time I watched it twice in four days and the first time and I was like, do I like this song? And then it just kind of humming it a couple times? Right. Yeah.

Right. It's great. It's wonderful. Yeah.

And also, I was born a few years before this movie came out. So in some ways, this is how I understand the 80s, you know? And how I understand my parents for better and for worse. So just landmark, in my opinion.

Joanna. So much. I feel like this is a top five 80s movie. Yeah.

Like if you're like, what was the 80s, let's put it in time capsule for the aliens. Working girl is in there. It has to be the very right conversation with those five movies would be. I kind of feel like the breakfast club should be one of the five.

Absolutely. Yeah. I heard the first I heard. The first I heard.

Fingers like Ghostbusters. Would you put fatal attraction there? I'm trying to think of moving. Yeah.

I mean, well, let's see. Let's talk on. I think we'd have to be in the morning. Oh, I know.

There's a lot. Yeah. But it would have to be these movies represent the 80s in the most 80s ways possible. And so the way that the working girl represents, well, I know, I'm just like only a few years older than you and growing up rewatching all of these 80s movies on Tinty or TBS or whatever it was.

I was like, oh, every movie is set at Wall Street. Like that was that was the impression we got that every single movie was about Wall Street. That was the goal that was the aim. Everyone was in New York trying to trading and finding an arbitrage which I still don't know what I forgot to Google that before this podcast.

Awesome. I don't know what arbitrage is. I have it under questions. I can never not be.

Okay. I don't know if you can see anything's going on with this movie, but this kind of greed is good era where it's like, you just got to work your ass off. And if you get, then you'll have money and maybe you'll be able to ride in a limo and it's just the 80s were very innocent about all that stuff. That was one of the things that jumped out to me is like, oh, this premise probably is in the same kind of premise in 2025, necessarily.

Yeah. I don't know that like the highest achievement is your office and in a warring of all these other offices if that's like the gold ring that you want right now. But in the late 80s, it was. And it was a zero sum game.

You were getting it at the expense of somebody else. All right. So first of all, Rolling Stone wrote this in 1989, which I thought was perfect when they did a very bizarre million Griffith feature. Well, sure.

And I cannot wait to talk. Has there ever been like an un-bizarre million Griffith feature? Wow. Rolling Stone writes, working girls the story of a secretary fighting an ego maniacal boss for credit on an idea.

Griffith stars as the secretary. And she too is fighting for credit though the characters she plays in almost every scene. Griffith's billing is third behind Scorny Weaver, the boss and then Harrison Ford. It's so interesting that she's not the star of the movie because she seems like a massive star now.

And at the time it seemed risky to even build a movie around her. She had just done something wild, right? Yeah. And body now.

Those weren't big movies. No, well, this is what makes her forever a star. Totally. Yeah.

But I can't remember other movies where somebody's clearly the star and they're like, now we got to put you third because we need these other two for the poster, which kind of weirdly marries the movie. That's so interesting. I think I definitely have before usually maybe second-builds over a star that has an ego or something like that. But third-build is under Scorny Weaver because Harrison Ford's her co-leaver.

Scorny Weaver is definitely in supporting. But she was a massive star from aliens at that point. Oh, of course. She doesn't even get to end the cover or introduce it.

Or while. Yeah, just absolutely third. Well, I can't wait to talk about her. All right.

Here's what I wrote down. There's four movies going on at the same time. We mentioned the Greed is the New York aspiration. The Gordon R.O.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's the 70s, 80s thing that they don't really do anymore in movies where they're trying not to get caught in an elaborate lie.

Right. Was basically half of the TV shows in the 70s and then a lot of movies where it's like Joanna's pretending to be the head of Spotify. Oh, like the TV show Younger essentially. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but there's no Google.

Yeah. Yeah. You can kind of make up whatever you like. Right.

So you have that you had the pretty women Cinderella. It's pretty women parallels with this movie. It kind of makes me look down on pretty women a little bit openly steal shit from this movie. Yeah.

And then the last piece is the female empowerment workplace comedy stuff that is like for the 80s because you have baby boom here. Right. This is like a career. Yeah.

This is becoming an era of like professional women. Huh? What an interesting time for something. Fatal attraction is also like the reverse.

Right. You know, like a professional at the expense of a beautiful home in the country. And the drama in the column though. Well, and obviously the romcom.

Yeah. But which one of those, what's your favorite? I really, the yuppy cinema of the late 80s and particularly the women is fascinating to me. I love all of those movies.

It is really fascinating to watch them now be like, Oh, so this is how I learned how I was like supposed to go to work and supposed to dress because for our age, it was, you know, handed down to you like, okay, this is what a working woman looks like. This is what it is to be a professional. Right. You're supposed to like, can you have it all?

Should you balance your career? Should you accept the random child that you inherited from an unknown location? Right. You've done a baby boom.

I just learned that we're pitching right now. I mean, it is really fascinating. Right. Lights being steady was another one.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

My mom talks about my mom's old. She talks about this all the time. When she gets mad at younger generations, she's just like, we just knew how to navigate stuff in my day. If we had people who were just jerks or they were hitting, you just, you just learned how to deal with them.

You just read it. You just kind of had your, your ways and almost like your nuclear defense system. I'm dealing with it. And it's one of the interesting things about rewatched in this movie is the first 20 minutes is based on like, she's just in this world, weird shit's going on.

They're trying to set her up with Kevin Space and she's like, is he going to just try to get me the date and the irony of it being Kevin Space? It was pretty great. But he's like, yeah, I got my hotel room and she's just like, oh man, she ends up getting out of the car. And it's just like, ah, that was a Tuesday.

Right. Now that would be like the most traumatic thing that happened to somebody. But back then, that was just kind of what the 80s were like crazy. She has that scene with Alec Baldwin of when she's talking about like how great it is to be working for a woman and there's none of that chasing around the desk crap.

And it's just matter of fact. Matter of fact. Exactly. Right.

Right. And she's like, I know you hate when I say stuff like that. But it's kind of nice to not have my ass left. I don't know, casually.

Nine to five. It's another one. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that movie is insane.

It's true. I think I was 10 or 11 when that came out. The whole point of that movie is like, do you think, did you see it when you were 10 or 11? I was on the theater.

That's amazing. Did you see this in the theater? I did. Yeah.

I mean, 87 was an all time movie. Yeah. Yeah. Or 87, 88.

Those two years of just big stars. Cool movies. I'm trying to remember if it was perceived as a Harrison Ford movie or a Sigourney Weaver because they were both really big stars. Yeah.

I wonder if there's a big deal that Indiana Jones was doing sort of like a romantic comedy. It's first round? Yeah. You know, so an Indiana Jones movie or a Harrison Ford movie until you see it and then it's a Melonnie Griffith movie.

Yeah. He doesn't show up for at least 30 minutes. Yeah. We're talking about it in a second.

We got to talk about, we got to talk about Melanie. Okay. Yeah. Holy mackerel.

What a performance. I still think body doubles by number one Melanie Griffith. Really? Oh, she's so good in that movie and she just comes in 120 miles an hour.

Even though she is Hollywood royalty and she wasn't, you know, born a working girl from Staten Island. Right. This just seems like her. That's why Melanie Griffith is and I can't separate her from Tess having seen her in like any number of other things.

She's also, it's an amazing performance because it's not over the top. It's not. She's like, she's not going to win the overacting award. Like she is.

She is there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. But she's still, you know, she's going to, she's determined. She's going to get what she wants.

But I always think it's really interesting when people take these really big roles and movie hangs around her and they're, and they were seed a little and they don't always raise their voice, Marill Street, but whereas Prada being the other one, it's not an obvious choice and she's great at it. That's another movie. Yeah. Yeah.

There's a reason, all my favorite, you know. Well, that's cool. These are what they are. And it's just sprinkling DNA over all these beloved movies over the next 40 years, but those were pretty women in Devil Wars, Prada were the two that I was like, Oh yeah.

You guys just watch this one over and over again and try to pull stuff. Melanie Griffith. We're going to talk about it now. Let's talk about Tess first.

Okay. Perfect character. Yeah. Yeah.

Like just like little details that are great. Like when she shows up in the office and she takes her shoes off and replaces them, it's like, Okay, I get the hair is like a disaster. The outfits not great. The tassel makeover or some sort of thing is happening at some point.

She's like slightly trashy, but not, you know what I mean? You could see her at a bar at two in the morning probably. Yeah. She fits in both.

She figures a way to fit in both worlds. Yeah. But they're doing like the class version of she takes off the glasses and like, Oh, she's beautiful. Right.

She was obviously always beautiful, but I liked it. The makeover montage is just like a haircut. Yeah. If not like ever, you know, it's like she takes off her bangles in one scene and she cuts her hair in another scene and that's also the joke you sack is capable of that kind of layering on such a short notice, like fluffy low.

Sure. Yeah. Very impressive. slightly different outfit, changes in makeup, and all of a sudden looks like an absolute assassin.

But it's just, I thought it's a totally authentic, I completely believe the character, I'm in on all her decisions. I actually believe she can navigate this world. And she's used in her her own street smarts the right way. And the guys are kind of that one thing when she walks in, it's just their whole room of guys.

And she's like, I'm really good. I'm actually surprised she didn't win the best actress. I understand why, because the Jodi Foster and the accused, that was such a big part, it was like a big thing for her, people had all history with her. But I don't know if you watched those two performances side by side, I actually think this one might be hard to win.

Well, especially since Jodi's about to win again, I always like when you sort of relitigate the Oscars, I'm just like, well, would you rather give it the sounds of the lambs? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think this is a harder part because I don't know who else could play the part. There's a whole roster, which we'll talk about later, but something they talked about inside of the casting is they didn't want anyone who was like two, obviously the most beautiful woman in the world.

See your beloved, sorry to step on, you know, casting what ifs, but Michelle Pfeiffer. Can't work. Yeah. They were like, she's too beautiful.

You just don't buy it. You couldn't like watch her bloom into something because she's pre-bloomed. So, you know, Melly Riffer is like the perfect, she's so beautiful. But with the hair and the bangles and all this stuff like that, you can see how people would overlook her or use her or whatever it is that they're doing.

There's some baggage that she brings in real life. Yeah. In the movie. Yes.

That is perfect. It's like, she just turned 30. She's slightly older than Sigourney Weaver. And she just looks like there's probably been a couple mistakes in the past.

And now she's trying to get her together. They're, I don't know if Michelle Pfeiffer would bring. No, Michelle Pfeiffer has it like, it's perfect, most beautiful person. And there's no vulnerability to her or it's like a different different.

Yeah. I can almost see it with Michelle Pfeiffer with like Mary to the Mob or Thaddis Baker Boys. Like there's something in those characters that is almost fun doing that. I guess.

But there's a lot of Baker Boys, the most important performance by Naxx in history. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

Yeah. I haven't done that one. I'm not sure. Do we get to talk about a Malini Griffith's personal baggage right now?

Or should we do it later? Well, it's pretty well documented. There's a lot of stuff going on here. In her Wikipedia.

Yes. There's a section for spouses. Sure. Don Johnson married 1976, divorce 1976, by the way.

She was like 15. Okay. Don Johnson again married 1989, divorce 1996. Huh, that's interesting.

The double marriage to the same person is a classic thing that I don't think happens in real life. Steven Bauer married to anyone divorced 1989. I have a feeling that they probably had some fun. And then Antonio Banderas from 1996 to 2015.

She was married to Don Johnson, Steven Bauer and Antonio Banderas. Yeah. What a trifecta. Yeah.

Three of the greats. She had Coke and alcohol stuff for. Yeah. And you can see it in the movie.

Yeah. Yeah. They have all talked about this, but at some point they even had to shut down production because she was under substance abuse. And she didn't know some of this.

I didn't know that they made her pay. Mike Nichols was so mad he made her pay for the whole day shoot. Right. Yeah.

But you can, part of the reason that she works is that her face is sometimes like a little puppy and a little something, especially in some of the early testes. And you're like, oh, yeah, it's not like she, it's not, she looks like she had had had like a really nice night that I had before kind of bloated. Yeah. She was browsing with Alec Baldwin.

Yeah. You know, living her life. So she ends up getting, they say clean after the movie, but some of this stuff was Griffith said it was the late 80s. There was a lot going on party wise in New York.

There's a lot of cocaine. There's a lot of temptation. One of the reasons this movie is rewatchable is because it's fascinating to see her scene by scene. Yeah.

Yeah. I think that was a rough night because the TVs are better. The HD is better. And you can really say there's a couple scenes where she's just got like completely red eyes for no reason.

And I was just like, works. I dunked my face in a bowl of ice water this morning. It's fire and belly. I was like, I was like, I'm just going to talk about this.

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I'm correct. They said she would, she'd be out till four 30 in the morning. They would have like a six o'clock call time. Yeah.

And she would just be flying. So they finally had to shut down one of them. But it really sounded like it's not great. Yeah.

I was watching a Harrison Ford interview that he did in promotion of this and they were asking if she was easy to work with or hard. He was like, well, I just let everyone do what they do. She's very sensitive, easy to access. And I was like, there you go.

I talked right around it. Yeah. The 80s were amazing. It's always the lesson in the rewatchables.

There's a lot of that in the movie also. There's cocaine, there are muscle relaxers, ballyum, dim sum, lot of yeah, a lot of booze. Like, yeah, it's full 80s in the text. 100%.

Seems fine. I like the era where it's like 630 and people just on the set and people like, where's Melanie? Yeah. There's no cell phones.

You have no idea like where is she? I don't know. We're filming. We're getting the sun's coming up soon.

And then she like comes in probably from somewhere. But that's how they did it. It turns out to be the greatest thing that ever happened in her career. Although if you look at her, I have to be, this is probably the peak in Pacific Heights and yeah, this is it.

I mean, this is it. Yeah. I love Pacific Heights. But this is the peak.

So she went and rehab three weeks after filming and then got back together with Johnson, my guy. I was pregnant with Dakota for the Oscars that year. Yeah. Ends up having Dakota fanning.

Johnson? Dakota Johnson. Yeah. When I said Dakota fans, I'm old.

It's only 930 in the morning. Ends up having Dakota Johnson. Yeah. But Don Johnson is on my advice.

This is the ponytail year. Oh, yeah. When he gets to Indonesia, Sonny Crocker. Sure.

I think he's a hitman. I was looking at the three episode arc where he's just getting in. All culture starts here. He shoots tubs.

I was looking at the Oscar photos from that year and his hair is just like down past his shoulders. It's amazing. It was an amazing reconciliation. Yeah.

And then the other piece of it is, well, they were once married before when he was 22 and she was 14. It's like, what? Yeah. 14.

It's not good. It's great. It's like the 70s were different. The 70s were like a whole other level.

But yeah, she's pretty legendary. She was in Night Moves with Jean-ACME and I think that was 1975. The 2B Classics. We see it on 2B all the time.

And she has nude scenes in that and she's like 13 or 14. Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah.

Just a different era. She talked about her childhood. Right. Yeah.

I would say exploited was probably a decent word piece, I would say. Yeah. I saw Drowning Pool recently for the first time with Paul Newman where she's like a 15 year old seductress. Really?

She's really, really good in it. And also like has chemistry with Paul Newman who's definitely in his 50s at that point. Jesus. Yeah.

Well, it works out. She's also, she plays a hitchhiker in the Robbie Benson basketball classic one on one movie I've seen over 100 times. And he picks her up and then she steals money from him. But she's basically just for five straight years, either a hooker or some sort of trying to steal from somebody or she's like a street person or she's a drug addict.

Right. Yeah. And that's just kind of who she became. And that's so when she does body double, that's the first time like a real director is like, no, no, there's something more here.

Yeah. No, it's not like she's wearing all of her clothes. No, she is playing a porn star play's Holly body. And what I think is wild about this movie is like, yeah, this is the least sort of like low-litus seductress she is and she still is more than your stereotypical rom-com lead.

Like, make Ryan can do this. No, you know, you know, one of the reasons I was thinking about this, because it's a great point. She's very comfortable. Like, she's in a Braun panties like three, four different times in this movie.

She's just like getting back. Or topless. Yeah. It's not like sometimes it's not great camera angles over and she just doesn't care.

Yeah. Very kind of fun. And I don't know if a lot of like Julie Roberts, I don't think would have been, oh, I'm just going to get dressed in three different scenes. I really love that scene where she's just sort of like kind of awkwardly bending over fastening the garter's and Alec Baldwin who's reading like, motor trend, like, you look amazing.

Right. Right. And I'm like, yeah. And she says the same thing with Joan Q sec when they're trying different outfits.

Yeah. I don't know. She's very comfortable on screen with she for said, there's something about her and everything she's in where you're like, I'm kind of rooting for her. I don't know why.

Yes. Pacific Heights being the key. Sure. Evil tenant.

She's got to like get rid of that guy. I had a lot of questions about Pacific Heights. You haven't done that yet. I'm rewatchables, right?

We're going to have it might be from hell month. It might be from hell from hell summer. I'm going to go on landlord arrangements there. You know, like go under the paper.

Yeah. You think? Yeah. So we have her.

We have Sigourney Weaver who her mid 80s looks like this. Ghostbusters, aliens, gorillas in the mist working girl, Ghostbusters too, basically on a row. And each part's different. This is a really weird Sigourney River in a good way performance where she's just a character that would not exist in a movie anymore.

True. How do you mean? Just like super kind of heat check II, pompous. I use my sex appeal.

I'm just lying in bed in lingerie with 10 people in a hospital bed around me and the lingerie in this movie is of a time. You know, of course, I think they're all really, really invested in it. Like Thighy's. I just don't think are a part of the wardrobe in that way anymore.

She's really good at it. And another performance where she is like obnoxious and unlikable, but like all under a chill. There's like an iciness and it's not big. It's human.

Until she comes in like with the crutches and is like making a whole scene and you know, faints. Well, that's what's interesting. She ramps it up in the second half of the movie and it doesn't feel like it's so much overreacting. I feel like this character still exists and this character will always exist, which is sort of like the woman who was born pretty and extremely rich and knows how to work every room.

Yeah. And your sort and will pretend to give you a hand up and then stab you in the back. Right. And it's kind of annoying.

Like if you put Kathleen Turner in this role in the mid 80s, I'm not convinced Harrison Ford's going to walk away from it. But it's like a little. She's a little annoying and I can see why he's like, God, I got to get. I'm almost like, why was Jack with her for long enough that she thought they were going to get married?

Well, timelines here are a little confusing. Yeah. What's your segue into weaver relationship? She checks a lot of your boxes.

How so? A lot of different things that you're Yeah, my main association is Ghostbusters. That's my segue into weaver association. What's interesting about her is she doesn't like, I don't know who the 2025 segue into weaver is.

She's kind of a one on one, but nobody realized it at the time. The different types of movies she was in. I think like you're Elizabeth, what's so interesting about this is that the screenwriter said that her role was originally written as a man, which is true for her role in Alien as well. And so the fact that they're like, let's get Sigourney to play the role that we thought we were running for a man, but let's put a woman in it.

So that's sort of like a niche for Sigourney. We refer a little while, which is so bizarre because she's so like beautiful and sexual and all this sort of stuff like that, but they were just sort of like something about her energy that feels like it just like we didn't change how we wrote the role. We just changed stuff. Yeah.

And it does become more the fact that it's two women against each other. Definitely. You're out of the man that just suggesting they would have changed anything about working girl. She's perfect.

But Sigourney, working girl into Dave, very perfect. Someone talked about that. You have her and Alien and Aliens, which is like this distinct, crazy action hero role, right? That's like only a couple people could have done that.

Then you have this working girl character and then she's also the first lady. And me. And I actually like her the most of Dave. I think that's my favorite Sigourney weaver, other than Alien and Aliens.

The Dave and the working girl, it's someone who is very, very standoffish. And I guess they track opposite where in Dave, you got to wear down and social be doing harmony for the cop when they get pulled over. And in working girl, yeah, which is just really funny. She's really good.

She is. And in working girl, she's sort of charming and weird about the bunny, but then her true layers are revealed. But both times. So do you like Villain Sigourney or are you like Ice Queen Sigourney or are you like Ash King?

Yeah, I like the Ice Queen Sigourney. But I like the Ice Queen Sigourney. Is another one. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. She's so like, Patrician in this versus an Alien. She's a space trucker.

Like I think that's- But there's a stealing us to all of them. Yeah. Yeah. I like Sigourney weaver.

Not a hot take. She's the one who loves success flashes at the- You don't ask me to tell the pro- I just- For your bravery. There's reason she was in a lot of big movies. I'm still a fan.

She's so great. I mean, you know, she's blue in Avatar or whatever. I don't remember what's going on there. She's playing like a teenager in Avatar.

Oh, and like also a whale or something? Yeah. A lot of moving. I don't remember.

Also for people in my generation, Holes. That's how we were introduced to she- You know what? I just learned about Holes last week. Oh my God.

I just formed it for you guys. Yeah. Maybe one of the most formed movies for my generation. Okay.

One thing with her, she's tall. Yeah. And it's like she's like 5'11. I'm not doing it at all, but this is the tall woman like consortia over here.

Yeah. I'm taller. Listen, you just made a face like I don't compete and I don't compete. No, you- I welcome you.

Yeah. Thank you. But we like tall women. We have jelly.

We have jelly. I'm a sticky tall. Yeah. It's a groaning.

Yeah. The Chuck Colisterman All-Stars of Sneaky Tall. Yeah. This is why it's believable.

And she lands that basket in Alien Resurrection. Right. Yeah. Well, it's a believable action hero.

Probably hard to cast in certain movies because like you can't put her with Tom Cruise. Right. It's got the guys that have been like 10 and up. Yeah.

Yeah. Speaking of guys, our guy Harrison Ford. It's- It's really- As we know, our really good friend, Molly Rubin, loves Harrison Ford more than- I'm gonna give that to her. Anyone else on this planet?

Her- she thinks the most attractive Harrison Ford has ever been is in witness canonically. This is- He cares. This is my hottest taste in honor of mine. Dude, thank you for that.

My- and also in honor of Luke Wilson could have been here for- Yeah. No, he could not. This is the hottest he's ever been. This is the hottest he's ever been.

Like, keep your Han Solo, keep your Indy. I really- I mean the witness, it's tough and Mallory did give me her spot and so I feel bad. And the Sam- She loves her. No, she doesn't feel bad.

She does. She does love love working girls. What is he like- And we're doing witness for her and she can do Harrison Ford for an hour. She'll be an I or her- Inside of the hottest he's ever been inside of a movie.

Right. What's the hottest moment for Harrison Ford inside of this movie? Well, it's a little obvious, but when he's- The shirt changing- The shirt changing- And then kinda, you know, the audience is cheering and he's also- I like that he takes this role. It's a nothing role.

He's just there to be handsome and support her and he does it with such charm. And it's like sure, I'll just do whatever you need. And that scene where he's just like, Okay, I guess I'll get shirtless and make fun of myself and let a- Office of Women clap for me. I find that if you like- The shirtless scene is very good.

I would- I see that and I will- Yeah. I will raise you a bit of Suzuki on the corner of his mouth being emotionally vulnerable- Right. About how he needs this trade. Yeah, I know that's true.

He is a little more open to people who feel this. Yeah. There's like almost a little Jimmy Stewart in his head. Exactly.

Which I wouldn't say typically is my type. So I guess I gravitate towards a slightly more, you know, macho- You know, a half-hole version of it. I'm like, you know, I promise myself when we met we drink tequila is a line that would work on me 10 out of 10 times. Such a good line.

Yeah. Um, I have a question- He's 45 when they phone this. Looks incredible. I have heard conflicting reports.

So a couple years ago I read Harrison's four biography where he talked about- They talked about this movie and his initial response to being offered this role was, I don't want to take this role. It's her picture. Why would I take this role? It's her movie.

It wouldn't be my movie. And that the way it was depicted in that book, they then give the role to Alec Baldwin. Right. And then he goes, actually I want the movie, then they bomb Alec Baldwin down.

That is true. The other story I've heard is that it was a budget- That's embarrassing. That's fine. Yeah.

Well, and also all the mike Nichols stuff. We have- Mike Nichols is doing that. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, but that Nichols did want Baldwin and then the studio was like- You guys are stomping over- Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm so viral. The casting went in.

I just saw it. I just saw it. Baldwin had it. Baldwin had it.

Yeah. And then they called him and they said- I got the motive to Nick. Hey, bad news. But guess what?

He's great. That's really, really, really- I guess what? He's great. It was fine.

It was a little rest. Yeah. This and Beetlejuice. Too soon?

Sorry. This and Beetlejuice together? Come on. Great.

To back up your Harrison four point, I present to you this Nord done story- Okay. I'm going to read. We all had such a crush on him. One time Harrison walked up to me and said, I hear that you're working on a different project, and that's why you're working tonight.

What are you working on? I could barely speak. I said, I'm working on Saturday Live. He said, oh, yeah, sorry.

I haven't seen it. We're an amazing- I haven't seen it. He's a good- It's not for 13 years that point. Yeah.

And I go, oh, it's not that good. Laughs. I disowned everything about myself. I even had my hand in my pocket, wrenching off my wedding ring.

I turned into a completing around- I said, I came home very late that night. Five of them are in my husband's bed. He said, I'm glad you're home. I have a better off- The blah, blah, blah.

And she goes, I was such a traitor, because I was blown away by Harrison Ford. He was in such great shape and such an absolutely perfect movie star. The whole package. Mm-hmm.

Agreed. Nor done. Yeah. My all-counts were the most unfriendly actions that he has.

Just completely all we had to- All we had to- All we had to do is a fourth. His 80s- Just wanted to mention this. Yeah. That people who listened to this podcast wouldn't know this.

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