live. Well live. Hi everyone and welcome to the N but yeah, just with Sammy Lee Kelly. Do you want to walk with me a little while?
It was only like 500 miles in five days. I'm a trust. I could do that. Oh, okay.
Well, you got to do it. What do you know, though? I had a very much like because Lee when I played beyond the server, he sent us a message and I had a bit like one of those moments where I've got a little devil Chris and I've got a little angel Lee. I'm sure the time is how should I answer this one?
Because Lee was expecting us to walk all the way through the episode. Yeah. So while we're talking to see who would last if all walking while doing the episode of the podcast. And I thought, should I tell him that he has to so Lee's all prepared, ready for walking or even walking because I've got an exercise by key, probably couldn't just cycle the natural lake.
No, it's not called on cycle. It's called on walk. I was like, no, I listened to little angel Lee rather than devil Chris. And that's me.
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The quiz mistress with the most. Yes. So some it's going to be it's going to be an interesting episode because I feel because normally we take the piss out of each other. I don't think we can take the piss out of each other at all.
So I'm going to get out the way with now. That's fine. I'll say whether mood kicks is from time to time. I'm actually going to see if we can kind of lighten it up a little bit because I feel like this one's going to be and I feel it's apt for the fact that I picked this.
This is my movie of the year. And it feels a bit apt that it's going to be all doom and gloom and but has a little rimp reassum shine in the middle of it. I don't think we'll get like shot and con in from this one. Like the last episode.
I don't think certain words will be used as much. No, I will be shocked to shit if we do get shot and content. I'll tell you what, I will do the disclaimer. Yes.
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Yes. And it's an interesting episode as well. Because as Sammy said, this is her movie of the year. So we thought like the finish of our year rather when we're nearly round up and they discuss everything that's happened in the year which we'll probably do later on.
But we thought as a hall, I'll pick my favourite movie of the year and Samuel Pickhurst. It was quite interesting because they felt quite round about the same time these films are released. So it's quite an interesting one. Especially with the tour of this movie.
And when we said we're going to do this, Sammy instantly went we need to get Kelly on because Kelly's Stephen King riding died. And Kelly likes to read the book as well. It would have been wrong. It would have been so wrong.
If you end up on the misery of Sarge, we said to her, we are going to do this at some point read the book. And she did. Yeah. And I thought a good idea as well to get a little leon as well because when this movie was announced, it kind of just came out of nowhere.
And we did a trailer reaction. We kind of like just watched a few trailers that day and this was one of them. And I think both of us were like holy shit. Like the first time I hit you is the music, the music in this is like we'll talk about the film but the music in the trailer was so on point was so like it was weird because it kind of gave you hope.
But then it stops at a certain point and takes up all the way. And I didn't have any high expectations from even just seeing the title, the long walk. And it was just like, like, all the going for a walk. And then as soon as that first person gets shot, it's like, all you shit, right?
And it's like, Oh, Stephen King for them. Okay. Yeah. Yes.
As a whole, like I know, Sammy's gonna wacklerial. The premise of this movie before you get the tag right as well, it's so simple. It's such an interesting, simple concept. Because let's be honest, the idea has been done to death.
This is basically another version of the Hunger Games that's another version of battle royale at the Squid Games all over again, just a different dig. But what the did beautifully was made it a lot simpler that didn't overcomplicate it. And just went right to go straight down the line. And it's more to do with the people in this film than the actions and what's going on.
There's some very violent and very mettie situations, shall we say, in the movie, but the beauty is in the simplicity, I would probably be describing it. Oh, I 100% agree. And I have so, so much to say, especially with you bringing up the Hunger Games as well. But first, spirit of our country, fellow citizens, still today on the 19th anniversary of the war that taught his great nation apart, we continue our nationwide recovery effort right now as this country watches 50 of our finest young men prepare for the ultimate challenge.
Let us join together in reflection and hope we give thanks for the stage and the opportunity it provides for the order it has instituted for the good of society may bring us all back to prosperity. We pray for the power, the hungry, the unemployment and those without shelter help us transform hardship into hope, sanctuary into abundance and division into solidarity. For a split second, I thought you would do the taglines there and I was like, I'll fit in the fucking poster. Now I'm going to do the taglines.
I've never said something such a surprise for us as well. I've been in perfect. It was if it floors in a lovely area. It's tiny.
I'm really impressed with that. Just a little speech that's seen that could fit on any dystopian movie that we've just we talked about it doesn't just fit on this movie, which I think quick question, though, because I said 50 people was the 50 people in the movie. Yes. Right.
Yes. So we'll get into that in a second. But it is definitely 50. So the task is simple.
Walk or die. Walk or die. And the other one is walk or die. We're really going to let it is walk or die.
And the next one is join. All right. Oh, you could be the next winner. And the last one, the road awaits you.
I'm surprised there's not one. That's just the real treasure was the friends we made along the way. On this red on the line of October. I'm pretty sure as even King just read that real treasure, there's the friends who made along the way once and just went that would make an amazing premise for a book.
Well, well, keep that in mind. Really do keep that in mind when you think about because that is King in a nutshell, he is so good at writing the friendship groups. Yeah. And they took a lot, a lot of inspiration from Stan by me when it comes to making this film even right down to the score.
Talk about the music, the score has so much Stan by me in it. But if we take this right the way back to the seventies, this is Stephen King's actually, let's take this back to 66 1966. This is Stephen King's first ever book. Yes.
So he wrote this money was at the University of Maine. This is eight years before Kerry is published. And that is his first published book. He wrote this.
And sorry, Richard is Richard is Richard Bachmann and it was lost. It was published, but it was lost under the Richard Bachmann name. Nobody knew about it. Nobody gave a shit about it because nobody really gave a shit about Bachmann until 1985 when it is revealed that Stephen King is Richard Bachmann and it fucking blew right up.
And it got put into I think the first edition outside of its original is the collection that has got the running man in the backman collection. I think the running man's in that as well. Yeah. And it's to instantly just sold and sold and sold that happened in 1985 in 1989, 88 even a certain zombie director bought the rights to it.
All right, Mr. George era Merrill. And for a lot of years, Romero was going to do the long walk. I would have been so fucking interested to see how Romero was going to do the long walk.
But he was. However, the next in 2007, it never happened. But in 2007, another director and you can put money, I could have put money on this person buying the rights to this without even looking at his name. Frank Darabond.
All right. Well, the rights to the long when I would have been so happy with the friend Darabond long walk because he's done the mist, the Green Mile, the Shawshamp Redemption, the list goes he has a lot of love for King and I think Frank would have done an amazing job with this. However, it doesn't go ahead and the rights then gets sold to New Line Cinema. New Line Cinema has a contract with somebody else that ends up going tits up.
And then Vertigo come in, they then buy the rights this is being bounced around all over the place, Vertigo by the rights and they have the the film contract with Lionsgate. And that's when Francis Lawrence gets involved. Francis Lawrence, you mentioned the Hunger Games is the director of the Hunger Games. So then that's where a lot of the King fans have a problem with is the fact that it's a it's dystopian, there's a game and then you've got the guy who did the Hunger Games coming in and directing it.
But it makes sense to do it that way because if God's one has made a success of that type of feature, why would you take a shot and cut with a broken wheel? Why would you change it? To be honest, if people are really looking at the fact that it's like, I understand that it does come across as like a and the Hunger Games are about the Royal situation because it's that set of it's the idea of views and violence in order to inspire something in a nation that is completely and mentally broken. I can understand that.
The one of you is the one with me, of course they are. But this so so much more with the social commentary of it, especially if you take it back to when it was written. It's interesting to be saying that those before we get into the social commentary and start aspect, I'm interested because with Kelly, like when we told about this, Kelly was the one that read the book first before she even saw the movie. That's true.
I did it the other way around. Yes. So what was your kind of again, not to go too deep into the book because I think the messages I got after you finished the book was Oh my God. Oh my God.
Oh my God. So this one kind of resonated with you there. Well, I didn't tell you how I actually started listening to it because it's on my husband's on fire count. So I got the three.
But he uses his phone for your account to empty that when we went to sleep. So when I was listening to it, the guy who was in a car behavior. Oh my God, I was like this kid's got the most fucking annoying slow voice I've ever heard in my life. I don't turn down the speed on the night.
Now I'm in slow motion. Who is this? Just be a long walk. So yeah, you listen to it.
Oh my God, it was just beautiful, absolutely beautiful, horrifying. But I'm totally sent by me. You know, I was just like, rather than saying, don't see it in body. It was like, do you want to beat a body?
Yeah. It's a long walk. Yeah, listen to in slow motion. Did you say yeah, that must be horrible.
Chances. Because like, you're like, I mean, it's a long walk. There's like nothing happening for like sections and like, it'll be explaining like, Oh, there's a lamppost at the site and like explaining like the scenery and stuff. And it's like, fucking bit no, I don't like that.
Like that. There's one page where he describes a whole sandwich or something like that. And he's like, listen, all the ingredients in this sandwich. I'm going to have like a bit of less in from Arizona at exactly 27 centimeters at the color code of 4729 green on the jewel of the chart.
Like, this is literally it's like, it's dragging on and dragging on. It's like, just get to the next fucking bit and you kind of in garage shoes. Like, when am I going to get to the end of this? If I put it down now, I'm I going to pick it back up?
Like, if you go in slow motion, it's going to be even worse. Never heard legal, passionate about anything. I can't imagine, especially with certain parts of it, when it's in the description, not just of sandwiches, there are people's deaths as well. Yeah, I can't remember if it was a sandwich or not.
I mean, you just got you described it very well. Well, yeah, like an interesting venue moved on to the movie Kelly. And I think the response after the movie was you were just crying. It was literally just streams, streams, streams, like crying me face was just leaking from my eyes.
It was just streams. Obviously, I wasn't expecting it. Yes. Can I ask you, Kelly?
Because there's a lot of discussion on the Stephen King group. I mean, they fucking hated it. They absolutely hated it. But to me, it actually, it does because the McPray's that you meet in the movie is not the McPray's you meet in the book.
He has a dick. He is of absolute is not the nicest person. Everything that's angry about Ray in the movie, like all his anger and everything. That's all that's that's Pete.
Yeah. And Ray is the Ray Ray C's life. That is Pete's way in the movie. The characters around.
And so I thought it was absolutely fitting with the end, but the end is weird. And I'll get to it when we get to it because there's some things I want to check with Kelly because I had to go back over a page to go, did I miss something? Yes. Really that nice?
Like, even carrots, like, go to the better in the film. But like, in the book, he's like, Oh, look, this one pulled in the sign. I'm going to go over and kiss this girl and feel her bum and then he's like, Oh, I've got a girlfriend, by the way, Jan, waiting for his in the next town. It's like, yeah, because he's getting a lot of vibes from McPray's that he's constantly trying to reassure himself that he doesn't feel the same way.
So that's why there's a lot of sexual tension in Ray's mind is because McPray's has already given that impression that there is more to whatever is building aha. And it's that is something you don't get in the movie and you don't need to get in the movie because the Brotherhood is what's more important. But that is something that that really plays on because he constantly keeps going back over these sexual moments that he could have had with his girlfriend. Yeah, if I don't like say that then going to the movie aspect as well, like, I got the start again, a cancer picture gives us everything that thing.
But this is why I asked the question because like, that's why I was a little bit surprised because you said when you read that thing, 50 people, because I only were watching the movie today. I remember it's in 49. I can't remember the 50 again, I might be wrong. I might have missed it and stuff like that.
That's because it's about everyone and every state because the 50th state in America is Hawaii, isn't it? I put that on. He came in and like the answer to something that this is but this is what this is written. Yeah.
Yeah, so you don't know what's happened with it. He doesn't really tell you what is actually taken place. This is just the end of it really. But yeah, we have you read the book.
Yes, I have. I'm not even one. I just I'm just gonna let you know, get off the conversation. It's why I just wanted to bring this up because I'm not gonna be like, you guys being prejudiced thing and I wouldn't read a book.
Now I'm the good one and you guys. Last night, I watched the film and read the book. Nice. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I already knew what all the big words meant so it wasn't difficult to me. Is this where it doesn't happen from real mind? That's that's taking the biggest and say, I get the added bonus now as well that I'm on this podcast and Paul's the only one that hasn't read the book. And because I thought, I'm gonna go on this and Kelly and I'm gonna be like, Oh, the book, this and this and the comparison, I'm gonna be like, I haven't got a book.
What's going on here? No, I'm so fucking impressed. Like you I don't have to you. Wow.
The longest of books. To be fair, though, this is a newly spawned smugly. I didn't have it in slow motion. Now I can understand why you were a bit concerned that Kelly was listening to it in slow motion.
It took us a while there. I'm going, how do you know about that? So, as you said about the sandwich, I knew I was late and I'm not gonna question him. That's right.
Oh my God, I am wow. Brilliant made. It's very, thank you. Thank you very much.
Come back to the characters in the movie as well. Because I know, as you said, and Kelly's Texas and said, like, they changed around a lot of the characters from the movie and amalguated like more into one and stuff. Because as I said, it would be difficult to showcase 50 different personalities in a movie. But the ones that focused on was quite interesting.
Like give you a snippet. But everyone had like quite unique personality. And as you said, that brotherhood, that friendship, that's the standby me. That's like the conversations.
It was kind of like, um, one of them, is it art? Who's just saying, oh, I'm hoping to make a few friends along the way. Oh, of course. Such a sweet soul.
So again, I know there was a few bellends in the script as well, which always were. But I didn't find them completely horrific or horrifying. That was quite a thing. Like even Barcovitch, who I expect to be in the boog is one of the most insidious human beings there is.
But with them torn down and just making them like a bit of a shithead who makes a mistake and like like boastful, big head, which would be fair if you end up in a competition like this, you would either have to be desperate or have an eagle. That's the only thing you would have to join this, I think. Yeah, I'm not a fan of Barcovitch in Boog or in movie. And to be honest, controversial.
If you didn't do what he did, I think you would have won. Yeah. I think you might have won. No, I generally think he would have won.
I think Seven's was obviously, I'll get it. I'll get it. I've got a few things to see on Seven's later on. But what happened to him would still have happened to him.
But yeah, I think Barcovitch could have won it. That's a terrifying aspect of notion that a person like that could win that type of competition. And I thought the use of Mark Hamill was absolutely brilliant. Oh my god.
Oh Mark Hamill, bless that man's heart. He did not want to do this for him. Right? He was so, yeah, he's the whole violence aspect of it.
The, because in the Boog, the major isn't a huge part. He's barely there. So he didn't really have a lot to go off. He just knew he had to be a nasty bad.
Well, a nasty bastard, but it can't like a smarmy bastard and the level, he didn't like the level of violence. So we balanced that out with the life of Chuck. Right. Nobody wanted to speak to him as well.
No, everyone's like, I'm gonna really like him. We did want to break the illusion. Haman Judy Brea had a lot of aspects and and they really had to be not talked into but talked down off a ledge because they didn't like the level of violence in it. They have young children who, they and they can see, one, they can see the social commentary from the political commentary from when it was originally written because they all went and read the Boog.
So they could see that aspect of it and the idea that, god, that could be my kid. And they got really close to these kids. I say kids, the young adults. And yeah, they had to be kind of talked of a ledge a bit.
Yeah, but one of my highlights was the conflict. It was a little bit towards the end was like the interaction with Mark Hamill and like, we as character, we're not rare as characters kind of snapped at a certain point and start like just talking them shit. Like, just throw it. And Mark Hamill was just like, yeah, boy, that's the guy's sack.
And go get that prize. And I was like, yes, because that could have turned, it could have been like a bit of like, oh shit, a bit of like a bit of like book, but in a head-side situation. But I kind of like, it was a turn of point for the general because he kind of like, oh, I respect this all about that. For giving this shit back, when not many people would have given a shit back or dancing.
You've got to remember, and I think it's something that I do forget about as well. The TV show happened at the same time. This is all being televised. So he's just looking at it from a TV aspect of how a brilliant this would look, this back and forth kind of thing.
That's why they didn't stop the singing. And they do have, I mean, they don't really lay out the rules a great deal. You get here, some of them, you know, like the concept of your energy, that's a relatively 13. If you're a smoker, don't basically.
But one of them that's mentioned in the book is you can't fuck around with anyone else. Yeah. I'll see it in the movie. Which should be, I have.
When he was only third one and he'd like been responsible for killing that kid, I was like, why does nobody just run up? Swatting his legs. I thought that'd be a door, I don't want to be like, class as a murderer. But that and the, the, the not support that one of the rules is you don't fuck it.
You don't, you don't push someone. You don't, you don't push them off the rig and you literally just have to walk in a straight line, which is why I always thought Baccovic was crafty in what he did to rank. Because rank was, because rank was going to get it, regardless, because he went and swung at Baccovic, which is against the rules. Yeah.
It was just, yeah. Yeah. He's a mage, a mage dick. I want to touch on the certain things that you mentioned, that were like, say the people not wanting to be involved because of the violence.
With this movie being so straightforward and so, which I think is the right word, like it could have been quite boring and like, like, not with the person stuff. I think it needed like the shock factor at times. Like, I'm not one of those people, you know me, I'm a sophomore when it comes to blood and violence and it's not needed if it's gratuitous. Like, I found out there could have been a few shots where they didn't show so much aspects.
But the fact that the showed the headshot, the short when, I can't think of this name, I think in a second, a colleague got on the floor and shot himself in the fierce. I was like, yes, it kind of, opened it up a bit mid like this isn't a lovely, dovys, like a movie like Stand By Me. Like, Stand By Me's shock element was to see the dead body at the end. That was where you got the shocks of shit.
These kids are never going to be the same after seeing this dead body. That's going to change their lives. And the, the torn in change of the movie was perfect. And that kind of like, get you rather than we end of the end, you get at the start with the kid who basically within the first couple of miles gets cramp and doesn't be covered.
And it was one of the most innocent things. It was a guy who, I don't know his name, but we... He's from George O'Rabbits? Yeah, he basically lied about his age to get in to the long war.
Well, he deserves it then. Little liar. Oh, curling. So this is, there was one thing that I couldn't quite get me head around and it wasn't until I've kind of taken a step back and I've been reading a few things and watching a few things because I couldn't understand why everyone, while they were walking was so angry.
And bear in mind, I watched this movie so many times before I then went and read the book. And so I am, look, I was really based on this off a movie side. I couldn't understand why everyone was getting so angry. And I was like, you're supposed to be here.
Nobody forced you to be here. You put the application form in. You didn't go to the backout date. But then it was something Ray said, rather, were walking, that nobody is applying for this.
It just happens. And then obviously I go and look into when the book was originally wrote. And it is a very much high, very much reminiscent of the draft. Right.
Yeah. So basically what Ray was saying in the movie rings more sense to me now, where no, they didn't have a choice. They couldn't back out. They were going, this was going to happen to them regardless.
It was just a matter of time. Because when you think about it as well, it's one person from each state. So in my head, how I kind of computed it was you can apply if they don't get enough applications, someone then would get chosen. Because as I said, during this type of thing, fan of the prizes, this, let's talk about the prize as well.
This prize is like, we don't actually give you a number of value. It says unlimited wealth and a one wish, which again, is so magical in a little way. It's like, you get one wish to ask for anything. Like, and they talk about when the when the waggen you get artists in, I want to go to the moon.
Why would you want that? It's like, because I want to go to the moon. It's my wish. It's something fantastical.
And again, it makes you then think in your own head, okay, if you had that one wish, what would you wish it for? Because you don't need money. You've already won this wealth. So what can money not buy you?
That's this one which can. And if you start thinking about that, it's such an unusual concept. And think about it. Like, if you take a second now, because I can't do it.
I can't think of it. If you just had that one wish, like, if you think about it, you've got unlimited money. So you don't need money. You can buy anything you want.
But you've got one wish for to do anything that you want. What would that one wish be? Good idea. Have you won country?
I don't know. Too fair, because it's unlimited money. You could own your country. Right.
So, the way my brain was working when it was like getting towards the end was like them to a left. And I thought, it's not all kind of like point of gun at the guy being like, oh, we've got all winner. And the other guy's gonna go, I want to wish to be for Peter to stay alive. And it's like, but it's just even thing for them.
So no, everyone. That's not going to happen. Yeah, that's not going to happen. No, I haven't, I haven't got anything.
Because they have that conversation in the movie. Don't they wear hands like I want, you know, 10 negative women, 10 negative women. And it's like, well, you could buy 10 negative women. I don't want to be boss.
Someone's got a peer for them to be, they're not going to do something click the fingers and have 10 negative women say, I volunteer. Yeah, that's a hard one. I don't like that. I don't like that question.
I don't like that question numbers as well. During the podcast, you don't even have to answer it. But we'll come back to the end. So you can actually think of that.
It's such an interesting, again, because I didn't, I didn't, I didn't like go around in my head the first time when I watched it. But I watched it the second time, I was like, that's such a hard thing to kind of pick up on and like answer. Yeah, you're given as a headache already. It's what I do.
And so the characters in this, I mentioned, I did mention to Paul that there is an amalgamation of characters because in the book, it's 100 guys, not 50. And so they kind of took, because Ray is a bit of a sort of butterfly on the walk. Like he talks to a lot more people. He's constantly always trying to figure out sevens.
Sevens apart from the illness is very much sevens in the book, I feel, apart from the web hevel pants. But yeah, sevens is a mixture of himself and a character called Scram. Now Scram was the athlete. He was the one on the bookies list for to win the whole thing.
And he's the way he's and he also is the one with the wife. So Scram is also mixed in with Hank, and because Hank is the one who has the wife in the in the movie. And it's Gram who is the one who gets sick. Right.
And he dies through his his his illness. And so there's them to and there's a couple of others that kind of, because like I say, Ray's a bit of a social butterfly talks to quite a few people and Harbin is mixed with another guy as well. And poor Harkness in that angle. Hmm.
That was for a virtual. I've been pressed. I've got given props because you see when he twists his angle and how many miles he goes over and the steady angle gets before it's kind of like, yeah, Harkness, Harkness is death is I think the same in the book to the way that it's yeah. So there's also a major point that gets brought up at the end of the film, but it's part is a huge factor in the book is the vow.
Right. So the vow that the vow at the end by step is says, and when there's only a couple of them left, and he says, I want to we have to all agree that we need to stop helping each other. Yeah. The vow is we have to also that that vow is made early early on.
And because of that vow, they lose so many people because they stick to it. Yeah. So a lot of characters get taken out in one go all because of that vow. You know what I do love about the movie though, because they could have, like I said, I know half down a bit about how simple it's all but they don't shy away in this movie, the grimness of react like the real things that would happen during the movie during this long walk, because to be fair, if you're walking for five days straight, day morning nights, no breaks, keeping up to that three hours, like we've tried staying up for 25 hours doing a show.
So again, thinking about having to go up a pace, having a shit, falling asleep, how would you navigate those type of elements? And how the showcase in the movie as well is like, even when after plunks themselves down, has a shit and it's like one morning, two, one and three, one. And he's like pin shit, pin shit. And he's running back.
I think that is clear. I love you. But can you just walk away? You didn't wipe it.
You're a lot of takes off with you as well. Like there's one guy who's got like his jelly sandwiches with him and stuff. Would you not like dog poo bags or something and like a pep of Kleenex? Oh, not me.
You could do it as you walk. Yeah, you could. Yeah. Yeah, because Devin's has hundreds of sandwiches just planted around him because he's constantly eating sandwiches.
And he also has a spare pair of shoes. Did anyone notice that? No, stephens has a spare pair of shoes over his shoulder, right, which he didn't offer to really use. I wouldn't be given like, like in the movie, Ray, well, really, I saw like the arkindered spirits, like if you want to get two people to do the walk and do it together, it's kind of like we got each other, they had best intentions and they kind of went into it with the mindset saying, I'm not going to screw over anyone.
But again, if I'm, if they make the friendship, so like, I'm going to help our friend. And that's, well, that's the impression I got during the movie. And it's kind of like that bond. But it's like, again, the intentions of why they've gone in like Ray's intentions is to kill the killer general.
So it's revenge. But Pete's kind of like viewpoint and how he talks about like, what he looks like, he's not saying it, Tom, I was like, look at this point of it. If you're doing it purely because you want revenge, or because you're angry, you might as well just sit down and because nothing's going to change. But if you are looking to make change, look at that family who's watching a rear kind of like scones at, and say, oh, the pariah's looking at one must have died.
So no, they're a family desperate just being together. There's love. That's what we need to basically rely on. And I thought, his perspective, and that's kind of why when we get to the end, Ray kind of changes his mind.
I said, yeah, if I win this, I'm doing it for the wrong reasons, Ray is doing it. But Pete's story is doing it for all the right reasons. And that's kind of why you kind of get like, almost like your breakfast club moment, you like you punch the answer. Yeah.
Yeah, you're right. And I when Ray takes that final bullet in Satorum, what I come in, what he says to him for Beaten. But he he was never going to change. No, that vengeance was always going to be with them.
Because but I just want to ask, Kelly and Lee from reading the book, what did you feel about the differences in Ray and Pete to book to movie? Well, I found a piece in a book. He has also read in words, he is trying to bring it up, especially in blood, to his sexuality and things that were in the movie. It is a beautiful, kindred spirit.
And I like that change because I don't know what I found in the book, more sort of like locker room crack on, like almost like bullying, but in movie, it was more of a, you know, a bit more sense in the, the center of like, perhaps today or in the future, you know, where as I found the book a very 60s, you know, the way they went on. But I really didn't like, Pete in the book. I loved him. I loved him.
I loved him. What about you Lee? It's hard to say because in the book, you get all of the like, in a monologues of people and like, he was thinking and then there's more, there's a lot more teenage boy talk in the book, where they're like, talking about each other's erections and stuff like that and being horny and everything. And it was very weird.
But the movie is a lot more wholesome. I get back at the one with your same now, because I know this kind of sounds so weird, but with me going away with the lads, we're full by playing football in teams, or even like, if anyone had been like in like cadets or in like an army type of situation. When you, it's just kind of sad. I'm not excusing the behavior, not all, but if you get a group of lads together, like the test or kind of builds up and that kind of conversations, like when we were like teenagers and stuff, one of the things, if we went away, like on like a football tournament where we were we have like a couple of ideas, like the boredom and everything would say and sort of piss each other off, we would do games where we would, like, we would, I call each other, I pull each other's pants down and like, it would be at situations, say, see who would.
Oh, I'm so glad you brought up. Again, when lads get together, these type of things. And when we got older and stuff like in game, like playing like an adult football teams, if we went away for like a weekend drinking, like to build up team bonding, we'll play the condom game where we put a condom on someone's shoulder and not tell them. So the walk around and pubs and stuff with a condom on the shoulder and stuff like that.
It's almost like the peg game, but with a blob. Oh, that's awful word. Oh, please don't use that word again. That's horrible.
Well, the group has like a lot more toxic masculinity kind of stuff. Huge. Yeah. Then the movie now, because obviously now toxic masculinity is like frowned upon nowadays whereas it was massive back in like the 60s.
But it's also you've got to remember there's so many, so many of them there as well. And you know, King does manage to give nearly all 100 some part to play in this walk. There's a big, so in competition you get all the lads together. It's like, oh, it's got the biggest cock that that again.
Yeah. Yeah. I can't relate. Listen, I was asking, I'm because the whole name of Barcovitch is, you know, ribbon on rank and it's over his mother.
I was like, do people, do men always really get that upset when their mothers get brought into it? Because if someone started saying shit about my mom, I'd be like, all right, like, who gives the shit? I think it's more like, oh, I've got to protect like your lineage or like do your mother's honor and stuff like that. Like you can call me as much name as one, but you call me mamma to our time kind of punch it.
That again, it's like almost like the Marty McRigh, I think, in the future, you can call us anything to stone call as chicken. Yeah. Yeah. And I wasn't a big fan of Pete and the Boog.
And it shocked us as well, because I, you know, I fall in love with this character on the screen that when I came to Boog Pete, I was like, who are you? You are not the same person. I have just been watching. The fact that the scar story obviously very, very fucking different.
He got it off a girl who we was inappropriately trying to group. And that was her response, well done her. And she got off the face. If you do that in the movie, that character instantly becomes repulsive.
Yeah. You're like, I'm kind of lazy. Yeah, you're completely losing. But I really appreciated the fact that because Ray in the Boog is, he's so optimistic.
He is his dad, he believes his dad has gone with the major, for whatever reason, and just care. He's a huge fan of the major. He has a lot of admiration for him. There's a lot more people on the walk who are watching.
He loves them. He loves the fact that he's being seen by his hometown, because they're all cheering for Ray. And he's, yeah, he's got a lot of more optimism about him. And then you've got MacFreeze who is just, oh, just this little, you know, your gloomy cloud walking next to him.
But I actually like the switch, but I didn't. But I love the fact that Ray doesn't have the gloomy cloud. It's more, it's different. And it's, it's put into something else, which kind of is a drive-in force?
Because Ray actually has no drive-in force in the Boog to do the long walk. Everyone has a reason to be there, but not him. Yeah. I think, like, there's a nice nastourier in this movie.
But Pete, he's like, he's wonderful. People are, it seems genuine. That's the thing I would probably say. That's why I love the conversations.
Like, it's ribbon to the piss, but there's also, like, he knows where there's a line and doesn't kind of cross it. But again, we've had so many of me as a movie this year. And this, as I said, this would be my top five. The reason why it doesn't kind of get in my head, again, not to say anything different.
Why it doesn't get kind of close to a movie like Sinners? It's simply because of the world. The world is interesting in this one, but it doesn't give you too much. I wanted more information.
I wanted to know why this world is the way it is, why things are being banned, why, I know you can say, oh, it's a dictatorship and stuff like, why is music or things are being, right, like, it doesn't give you elaborate or even kind of like, let you in to that world. It's just like, this is what it is. This is how it is. And it's kind of like, I'll kind of want to know more.
And like, when it's talking about, because I thought it was going to be like a running man situation as well, especially with like, it's going to be televised, like, the future is televised and you're going to be like, it'll be like the game show. I was expecting to see, like, like, in running man, when you've got like the people on the board saying, I put me $10 on, on such and such to make it through like the next 100 miles, I was expecting that kind of running commentary. But not to say I was disappointed, I just think this film was good what we got, but it could have been something that just was timeless, if it just gave us a little bit more. Really?
So you're tired disagree with that so much? No, but again, it's just a spectrum. Oh yeah, yeah, of course. It's everyone, you know, completely.
I think it did give you some information about the world and I think that's all it needed to give, like, where they've lost some kind of war. And I think everybody is in the same situation now, where they're just in poverty and the army is in charge of everything. I don't think there are any rich people around that would be like, ah, I'll pretend I was on this one, one more game show board game. I don't think that exists.
I think everyone's for it. I think what you already know about it is enough to know that they are televising a programme where essentially from in the boogoo, it'd be 99 people, in the movie, it's 49 people are going to die. That's what kind of world you are living in. That was enough for me to be like, okay, I'm just, I am happy to go on this walk with these, with these group of people.
And that's how I felt because I have seen them a few more times than I care to tell anybody at this point, and especially how many times I've watched over the last few days. But it's just, it is one of those films where I have to kind of remind myself, I'm allowed to go back to the beginning and they're all there. I'm allowed to do that because if I didn't, if I couldn't, and that was it, I think my heart would be forever broken. So just going to Cali, if you take me a re-impeit, who were your favourites in the, in the boogoo in the movie?
Ehhh, I'm intrigued. I like sense. I feel, I feel for sevens, but I didn't like in the movie, it was like you were letting to the fact that sense is the bastard child, you know, when the major says, you know, good luck son, and it's just like, well, I'm not new. It was nice.
I hated us. But I loved, I loved Duke's stuff and as well as old stuff and the reveal of I am Robert, and there was this whole part of Cloud and being this fucking Robert. He is the, the, the, the current of which, if someone is seen to like, you know, go further, and he is this enigmatic character who really captures, raised in interest, and he wants to know more about him, even was quite repulsed by it. And in the film, I know that I'm making a little bit more sort of three-dimensional, because I think in the novel, he is like, in the thing that he is a strange sort of chap in purple trousers, you know, that I'm making a little bit sort of a feeling.
But I felt, I felt sorry because he was trying to get something that, you know, what, that one which had been accepted in his father's table. And it's just like, it's heartbreaking. Yeah, and yeah, it's just, I think that was a quite important part as well, because all the way through, like in the movie, he's very steadfast. He gets a bit of shit, but it's like, oh, he's fine.
But then it kind of opens you up to the character and it's like, oh, it makes you like, it opens up your heartroom. And again, this is where I think the movie does so well. These characters like, like mine, I actually adore Hank just because of how like, like, he's, you know, like, I like an underdog. I like a shit talker.
I like someone that just basically keeps it going. That's what his name was. I was trying to think if you, that's my current, like, the last name. It was just the elation kid.
Like, Hank. It was a jungle. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. It was just, I just wanted to, and his death was, especially in the movie was, was kind of hard, but when he was like, just completely broken down, and it was like, it's like, oh, good shot. The book's worse. The book is worse.
The hang-steth out of everyone is the worst and the boogie. The same thing happens. Like, Han just goes into this completely kind of sonic state. But somehow still manages to go.
And, but then he eventually, he kind of gives in, he gets shot in the leg or in the stomach, but he keeps walking. Right. Yeah. So he's constantly, he's wriving in in pain to the point where they kind of use him as a lesson, basically.
And then they put him out of his misery, eventually. It goes on for some fucking time. And really, curl choices. I love Stevens.
And I do want to talk about the white, the rabbit thing. But mine is Cottyparka. All right. I love, I love the attitude of Cottyparka.
He is one of, he's an activist. He is some like, fuck the man. Like, he hits everything about what he's been, what he is engineering, and the fact that he would not let any, any kills someone, any man should kill a squad. But also, he doesn't allow them to kill him.
He takes it into his own hands, and he ends it. And yeah, I love Cottyparka. I love a guy who's playing him. I'm so happy that we're getting to see him in Welcome to Derry.
He's just that heavy, heavy, massive heavy. So yeah, I love Colle Parker with Stevens. Oh, my God. I just want to give him a tissue at the end.
Please wipe your nose. Please. The love of God. You know, his book, Stevens, his whole story.
Because I couldn't, I didn't understand the rabbit thing when he mentioned it, where I am the rabbit. I am the, you know, I am one of those mechanical rabbits that's out in front. You've never went to a racetrack. I've been here.
It's a weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, how it led to that as well. Cause you don't make sense when you talk, just see some real for once. So that he says that. Yeah, that he says that.
But the deeper aspect of it is, and I think if you look at Boog Stevens as well, he's kind of a plant. Yeah, he is there to, he was going to win it. And now that's where I'll get into the end as well. Cause it's about I need Boog readers help.
But that's kind of like the Hunger Games situation. Like the one in District 1 and stuff like that, they've got, they've been training for this. They know what they're going to be in for the fight. So they volunteer where again, similar to this, you've got Stevens who's always been training for the long walk preparing.
As he said, I've not been sick for 10 years. And then he gets sick. And I really, I know what fucking I really is. Love that line.
It's not been a windy. That's what I love. But I just couldn't, I couldn't understand the whole rabbit thing. And then obviously with the whole plant being and the fact that he was always going to win it.
But in the Boog, so Boog Enden, very different to actual Enden. In the Boog, you are left with the last three, Stevens, Pete and Ray. Ray, no, Pete, sorry, just stops walking and just sits down and gets shot. And that's it.
Pete's gone. And then Stevens, Ray and Stevens are walking next to each other and Ray is about to bow out. This is it. I'm done.
I'm going to, I'm going to sit down. And as he goes to Stevens to kind of like turn him around to like tell him, Stevens just dies. There's no gunshot. There's nothing.
No explanation. Steven just drops down dead. And that's when Ray is crowned the winner. However, Ray doesn't stick around to find out what is going to happen next because he sees a darkness serious figure in the background to where he just keeps walking towards it to the point where he starts running towards it and the Boog ends.
Yeah, that's the end. Which feels like he was like trapped in the mentality of the walk. And he's like, Oh, this is always to keep up with. Yeah, he's always going to be in that walk.
He's always going to, you know, that fight of flight is always going to be there. It's never going to leave him. Well, I kind of hinted that with Pete at the end of this where he seemed to have to be shoots the gentle, he just looks and sees the street. So it's kind of like, you know, he's going to be continuing what and he even says like to, to, to Ray other things, I've been walking all my life.
So you've kind of alluded that he's going to be constantly walking as well. But I think the way this was filmed, and again, this is where I've got a lot of respect for this movie is now wearing a like a stage with movies that everyone wants to make a franchise. Everyone's thinking about what this is going to be like this film. I'm going to make that film nothing.
This has a very different event. And I don't think that you could make a sequel after this one. It wouldn't work. And again, if you want to talk about how they've done the Boog, if you were to do like all hundred people and give them all the backstories and why they're doing it, that would be a TV show.
It shouldn't have made the long walk film. It wouldn't have made the long walk. Because again, and that's maybe just be my single mind is I don't want to know every single person's reason for being there. I'm only interested in the three mosquitoes.
The former subject is so yeah. Yeah. Don't forget our shoes. Do you know what?
Let's be fair, you got dog Tanini wasn't a real mosquito. It's a dog Tanini. The end is weird to abrupt. Yeah, it's sore.
If you've got a film where there's a lot of walk and you need like several endings. No, it's not. I'm fucking in. What did you think of the end?
No, because there has been a huge debate among Stephen King fans how they didn't like the fact that they changed the end. How do you feel? Because the end in fits the narrative of the movie. I don't think it could have ended any other way where I would have felt clean.
How do you would prefer to win? No, because Ray was done for the wrong reasons. It gives a wrong message. He gives his mission to freeze.
And that was unfair. Yeah. Because instead of radio in it, he did. But this is the moment you're at the end.
It's obviously there's people around and they're like hello, sir. And well, what do you want? She's my bla bla bla bla bla bla. And do you know what I'm saying?
He just keeps on walking a little bit like the movie. I actually think he is dead. And this is the, it's delusional sort of thing. And he keeps on walking where he's actually dead.
Yeah, I don't hear that news. Because what? He's, he's, you know, when the, when he has like a vision, this is my, I'm singing that song, when I sleep in the water, and the, the days, what's to say that Pete isn't in a super that I'm also within God knows what he was seeing. Honestly, I've heard that theory.
And when I, when I re watched it back today, I was taking note of that moment. So when he's on the ground, it is pissing down with Ray and he's literally covered. When he stands up, he's dry as a born. And he is what there's no rain.
Right. And I kind of heard a lot of people saying that theory. The paint actually does die that he does. Because why would he not?
He just shot the major. That's my, my, my only confusion with him. Like I understand that aspect. Like, Oh, look, he's going to be continuing on.
I was okay. That's fine. But he's one wish was for a gun, not to be absolved for the murder of the general because like even killing the general, even if the general's here, that's crying, there would have been people rushing towards him, they would have been like them guards, even if they weren't shocked, they would have tried to stop him and say, what the fuck are you doing? Like even all the people that were surrounding, like watching the final walk, that all just disappeared.