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It sounded fine It's all right. They're really good start to hit your mute button along the way Possible on this side of the desk Welcome in to the fantasy footballers. I you know I heard that it was hotter than the doubles buckracking here yesterday I just I just note out nature's pocket I can't believe that you get to miss one show knows when the AC goes out Yeah, I was I was fighting thought about giving it a go yesterday Just got on with some dental surgery because that's my life now and And then I was like, you know, I probably shouldn't do that and then all of a sudden these slack messages come in and it's oh The air conditioning is not working and then our team scurrying under the roof saving the day Mm-hmm, you know, and then my expectations immediately anytime I mess a show it goes I knew I knew we had a new segment which was awesome the ready-to-roll segment talking about the red zone opportunities You know the change in defenses down there really enjoyable then I knew we had news to talk about and then I knew you guys You know it's a mock draft episode. Yeah, and left to your own devices.
I expected three four or five hour show Yeah, so you did pretty you did pretty good and then I get in here today I'm like, you know, I'll keep it tight. We got way too much to do today This is a massive show today the fact that we're trying to get through as many water sheavers We got as much news as we have oh, we're gonna be talking dynasty waivers. It's a big episode I feel like I could talk news for the whole show like all that's going on with Brandon I you will be brought up discussed and now that we're every day I mean, we'll probably have news during the show we could and we could have it after the show But we we get to talk about all the rumors and implications and I think the one thing not being talked about it all Brock perdy and how this affects Brock perdy and the 49ers offensive Brandon I youth departments Which is sure more and more likely so yeah, Jason mentioned it We've got wide receiver rankings count down on the show today 20 through 11 on our consensus rankings and then 10 through 1 tomorrow Leona fall news. We just mentioned and we've got a waiver wire dynasty edition today to get into I mentioned it at the top the ultimate draft kit You can get in there right now lots of updates over the last week A lot of players to be thinking about as these initial depth charts come out for some teams it matters or some teams it you hope It doesn't matter Jason mentioned today Bo nix quarterback three behind Zach Wilson on the depth chart Listen to that again.
Yeah, yeah, yeah That one makes 100% with Sean Payton. Yeah, I know I know so it's like very He did didn't I tell you did or you drafted him in the first round Have I been is this all private where I tell you Sean Payton sucks or is that is it been public? I think that's been mostly private I don't think you said that on the show and I and I we you and I have a vast disagreement on that But you you don't like that dude. I just think he I think he's Dennis Allen with a ring You know what I mean?
I think he sucks. I think when you and on Netflix movie that's even that existing Tells me what that man thinks about his dude was overseeing a team that people on his coaching staff Maybe Peyton was not involved but people under his coaching staff were offering money to players to hurt other NFL players He gets suspended for a year a year and then they're like hey Let's turn this into a feel good feel good movie here and back and cast it very interestingly I mean why isn't he coaching at the NFL don't worry about that. He's helping out a bunch of ragtag kids right now I know people like Sean Payton I do but Drew Brees is in my opinion the reason Sean Payton is so heralded and Sean Payton has you know Some people sniff their own farts. He's got a fart room, dude.
He saves them for years. He goes in their night It's air tight nothing escapes that room. It's pressurized. He just keeps adding to it Sean Payton that room adds a little bit of air Yeah, no Sean Payton was the Saints head coach in 2006 through 2021 breeze played with the Saints from 2006 to 2020 So, you know So I I guess Peyton on blast today.
Yeah, I'm not saying I want it done it Like if I'm not painting You get out. Oh guys, it's just it's rough. I need a break. I'll be back.
I don't like him. Hey, it's opinions. You know what I mean? Let's jump into our new segment today Come to the waiver wire presented by NFL Sunday ticket on YouTube TV Well, we're kicking off the waiver wire segment early here in August before kickoff because it's it's still open It really is and leading up to kickoff.
You've got a lot of battles in training camp You've got a lot of dynasty decisions to make in fact I am often annoyed at the astuteness of of course Al Borland on our dynasty League to constantly be making little tweaks little pickups All of his own devices and by that you mean Kyle. Yes is coming in a few leads the way Yeah, yeah, this is this is interesting. We're gonna be talking about a lot of the today specifically some of the running Ex-you-pay attention to in dynasty leagues that still might be on the waivers Also, we have a our dynasty show that comes out on Wednesdays. We're gonna be talking about the nasty boys of summer on tomorrow's episode So if you want more of this you'll get that tomorrow today We're specifically looking about like the insurance running back Options out there in dynasty leagues last year if you don't remember Kyron Williams.
It was the backup. Yeah, you know It was Cam makers who's cam makers who was the guy and Kyron is you know nothing and then and then in week one Cam makers So 22 opportunities so it's like yeah, this is Cam makers and then he never never saw another snap Kyron became a revelation And so yeah, so can we find players players that have carved out roles in training camp and have an opportunity there And so we're looking at from a waiver wire perspective insurance running about changes I had no memory of acres getting that much work. Yeah, cuz week one the Kyron was awesome for fantasy football 22 attempts for 29 yards 1.3 yards a carry Kyle you should dig up Cam makers 80p last year because he was he was I think it was a dead zone running back for 46 or so I mean there was a period of time of great excitement for Cam makers and potential because you know what the system does but There are other situations out there worth paying attention to and so we're gonna bring up a handful of running back names Jason Yeah, well, they waiver wire segment. Yeah, if you were watching the hard knocks New York Giants They have a little segment on Tyrone Tracy Junior rookie running back for really hit that giant Yeah, that's the end of his name.
That sounded like his class in school. Yeah, he's junior He was a fifth round pick 166 overall and he's an older prospect They talked about this on that on that episode They discussed the fact that they saw that almost as a positive because they knew he would go later in the draft He's got more experience, you know, he played six seasons in college. No, how many players get to say that? He was a former wide receiver turned into a running back So some of these things that were we like that usually we do.
I mean that's Antonio Gibson was a wide receiver turn It was also DJ David. I wasn't David Johnson David Johnson was a wide receiver turn running back so this is the type of depth chart where last last episode I took Devin Singletary because it was like there's there's no one there like it has to be Devin Singletary But also that means if Devin Singletary gets injured or he's just not that good Tracy just cars out of third down role. That's what I see here is it's like Singletary's history You know, we can say how well he played at the end of last year He did not start the season as a starter. He's been beaten out by Zack Moss and Buffalo to be a starter and You know I was on solo camp for a long time.
I'm like Season form back there put doosers alley on there and raise your hand if your name is Papa Josh You don't hit that button because they won't do it. All right. There you go. Yeah, yeah Listen, he's probably putting in a waiver claim right now.
Yeah, he's distracted But no, I mean Tracy has the opportunity to carve out a role and honestly if you took their downs away from Singletary That would impact your your hopes and dreams for Singletary, but there's a couple other names worth mentioning as well Then Eric Prince Mike. Yeah Kansas City running back. There's no Jared McKeon in the picture right now And then Eric Prince was a former undrafted free agent. He sure was like he's a speedster Yeah, 4-4-1 But he ran that at like a six foot two or sixteen pounds and which like 215 honestly to me That's the that's the running back weight like if you get an elite player at that weight It just seems to be the perfect match and he has been running and Clyde Edwards a letter came back Former first-round pick and it was the presumption would be well, okay.
Well Clyde will come back He will be pacheco's backup that has not been the case at least so far in training camp It has been Prince and Clyde Edwards a lawyer's been running with the second team where Prince is getting run with the ones So he looks like he will be the back I think pacheco is going to be a true workhorse running back I do too so this is strictly an insurance policy, but this is a big time you need an insurance policy on someone that runs the way I say a pacheco runs. I mean he is the ground pushes back. He is the cartoon into the wall He's a brutal runner and he's seen that mean he shoulder labrum tear in 2022 a hand finger fracture in 23 Another shoulder injury missed two games in 23 a head cranial concussion grade one like you know I'm just reading that cranial come on man. Just a concussion.
I was just reading and I'm run burgundy Here's the thing about Kansas City, which is something one of the reasons we love any read is because he will play the best players As a pacheco was not you know there I think there were other teams that if any reason not the head coach Clyde gets a lot longer run because of the draft Sure, so they made the decision at one point in time to say hey pacheco You're going to you just gonna you sir this guy that we spent a first round draft pick that you know the Patrick Mahomes love And so that's not to say that I think Prince would you sir pacheco It's just to say that it's not a surprise to me on this roster that he's gonna have more opportunities than you would on another roster despite Clyde being there and then people need to take this approach more like play the better players play the better Like look at look at Brock birdie. You know what I mean Brock birdie was The last pick in the in the draft where they had spent a ton of capital on Trey Lance and they're just like we have it He's better that guy's better. I mean Kirk cousins back in the day You know getting to obviously an injury to RG3 what started it, but then it was like he's good He's a good quarterback like if you're a good player and you're showing out in camp like just be loud Is it the most like basic yeah common sense type but it's it's I will just the other side is it's not as easy as that because you The criticism that you will get by going with like if that player doesn't cost valves if they don't have immediate success With Rock birdie had immediate success. So it's an easier transition But yeah like if you're seeing things in practice that oh, this is the player who should go out But this is the player who was picked to go out There there's a lot of public stuff out there that it is some coaches can handle it and some coaches are just like they're They're seat at the table is not secure enough that it's hard to like if you go to the owner I mean like and say well we evaluated the process and the seventh round pick is gonna be the guy to go in Your owner can get real big mad at you and I want to I'm gonna close this out real quick Just throwing two names Jordan Mason This is a big one in San Francisco just because you know They've been so committed to Elijah Mitchell as the backup But recently Kyle Shanahan's talked about the fact that there's you know even though there's no fall off in Elijah JP's running at a high level We know Elijah Mitchell gets hurt all the time and that is a high-value running game And then Isaac or endo is really out of the picture at this point in time due to injury and the depth chart in fact I spent a decent amount of offseason fab securing Isaac or endo and you know It's just depending on your roster and what's out there on the waiver wire I I am sitting there in the Sun cos fallacy with grinder going well I spent some offseason fab but this guy is this guy's easily fourth on the depth chart and it's not a depth chart that I'm You know expecting to get I don't know it's just a tough one It's just a tough one and then trace her and former 49er running back.
I spent a lot of yeah a long time ago So But it's a sermon in Indianapolis looks like the backup to John the Taylor who's dealt with injury concerns So yeah, he's the he's the clear number two there they they lost Zach Moss who obviously had great success last year. They didn't go out and draft running backs They didn't really replace anybody and trace her and has that job So when you're in a dynasty league those guys shouldn't be on waivers the backup running back shouldn't be on waivers because when an injury happens You should be looking at which roster was smart and it's usually Brooks Brooks with the backup running back see hoarse the backup running backs. Yes every time It's like oh, yes Let me go to the waiver wire this injury is like I and then it's title after title after title after title for you and I But now Brooks has zero thanks again to NFL Sunday ticket on YouTube TV watch every game every Sunday when you bundle NFL Sunday ticket YouTube TV sign up today at youtube.com slash fantasy footballers local and national games on YouTube TV and a Falsundee ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital only games device and content restrictions apply News and notes from around the league presented by USA insurance All right, are you not entertained? If you're not following the saga of Brandon Iyuk on Twitter well welcome to the saga because this this is a fun time Well The teams they are circling Brandon Iyuk has been given permission to negotiate new contracts.
There are frameworks already agreed upon This is all official reports that Brandon Iyuk has Rather than 49er teams. Yes, four nineers have a framework of the compensation for a trade with both the Patriots and Browns Which is wild? Cleveland's deal if I you were to agree to a contract with Cleveland would likely send Amari Cooper if you Has to just to San Francisco just capwise and here why I've been so much on the side of I don't think they trade Brandon Iyuk is because it doesn't make sense of if this team loses Brandon Iyuk not that they don't have weapons Well, it's damaging it's like your offense takes a huge hit and you're trying to win the Super Bowl this year So why like you control Brandon Iyuk's future? Why would you just trade him away?
But if you're if you're making a move and you're getting Amari Cooper back which his Kylie pull up his contract because Cooper did just get a little bit more money But his contract will be far more manageable than Brandon Iyuk more years, okay more money and Like Cooper I think Brandon Iyuk at this point a better wide receiver, but it's still if you get Amari Cooper and Debo You're still in a very good place So this trade makes total sense to me should Brandon Iyuk green light and whatever contract It's since for the 49ers. I can't imagine being a team like if I'm the brown Yeah, I want to bring I you can I'm like oh dude We've got we've got Amari Cooper and Najoku if we bring Brandon Iyuk in we can really have a rock solid offense But it's like trade I don't think that Brandon Iyuk is so much better than Amari Cooper that it's also worth compensation because you're getting Draft picks to do this deal more money and then you're just replacing your wide receiver one with maybe a better wide receiver one Obviously a more youthful long-term wide receiver one But this is a long-term move if you're giving away draft picks on that side makes no sense. Oh wait Well, I mean Cooper Cooper would be gone. Yeah, Cooper is a free agent I mean I'd rather have Brandon Iyuk than Marry Cooper if I'm the brown yes, and it's a it's an investment in your long-term alpha They spent the offseason money on Judy who they believe in it's been a lot a lot of you want to talk about Dynasty waiver Wires buzz.
I mean said her tailman has been the star of camp sure I think they feel okay about that room But you know you talk about other teams commanders with Jane Daniels you've seen those calls in the rumors with Brandon Iyuk The Steelers have been involved. We don't have word that there's trade packages figured out there for compensation But Brandon Iyuk will dictate some of this because he's gonna tell these teams what kind of contract he's going to agree with New England would be sitting Kendrick born whatever New England New England is the I think the place that is a little bit terrifying sure for Mike Yeah, I feel like Mike has single-handedly been responsible for Iyuk straight not being completed yet because every time because they're offering me crap You offering you yeah, yeah personally my dynasty squad I feel like Mike is the ghost in Iyuk's head This not letting him feel comfortable with any of these trade destinations because you just invested in Iyuk and dynasty and when you hear those four Team names if you are out there and you're thinking about you know Brandon Iyuk long term where does the terror begin? I mean if he goes to if he goes to Pittsburgh, let's run through him if he goes to Pittsburgh. I'm off the show That's terrible.
I don't think so you don't think that's terrible deceased well. It's not good There's there is there is not enough in Pittsburgh to go around with like I think George Pickett is good I think Brandon Iyuk is better but with what that team will want to be I don't know that there's enough to have both of them come through It'd be really good for the Justin Fields is the starter world Oh, yeah Because if he has Pickens and Iyuk and firemuth and Jalemorin and then he's running the football I mean like if Justin Fields we have not talked about this enough Justin Fields wins this job Which is becoming you know Russell can't play right now if he wins this job because there's a report right now from Brooke Pryor from Yes, I'm talking about it being more of a commitment a competition than initially appeared If he wins that job I just I just want to make it so incredibly clear that Justin Fields goes from being an irrelevant player on draft day to Potentially more relevant than in my opinion even Anthony Oh to a league winner to an absolutely a top five quarter I mean, you know, we've talked about how you know Anthony Richardson the fifth Kyle and Marie in the seventh 10th round Jane Daniels I mean you add in the mobility of Justin Fields And this is again Why I think fantasy scoring is is broken and it's stupid that someone like Justin Fields who might be able to beat this version of Russell Wilson Probably not but maybe he's got a shot since Russell Wilson's got a castring could come out and just win everybody fantasy football leagues Because he runs so well and has 43% of his fantasy points talking about Justin Fields 43% have in his career Have come from rushing but the truth is anti-heated outscores almost everybody he has absolute top five I mean, he could be the number one quarterback. I don't think that that is impossible No, it's not with big play guys like I you and pickens who's who made you know? They made plays with really bad quarterback play already last year.
So did DJ Moore with really bad quarterback play from Justin Fields So so to lay it out for fantasy honestly, let's say and I'm gonna take Justin Fields out of the equation Just this year if he goes to Cleveland and Maricopa goes back I think that Brandon I you will still be good like if you're believed in a Maricopa for for fantasy this year You should believe at least equally in Brandon. I you if he's the only guy in Cleveland I think that he will be a top he'll still be a top 20 guy With a chance that with the investment of picks and money they go all in and he becomes a true target dominator Going to New England that really really sucks for this year long-term if Drake may hits that could turn into a huge win But this year it would be terrible Same and then Steelers is I think even long-term is not great. All right We'll be paying attention with Bated breath and if Cooper doesn't go back to San Francisco. It doesn't help Brock Purdy It might help your George Kittle like you guys were talking about but he's not gonna you know pretty you want the weapons It's it's really funny I'm glad you brought that up because I thought a lot about Debo to the moon and George Kittle even above kinkade definitely I would say the furthest stars.
Yeah, yeah Close to the moon. I think it'll do the satellites Starlink Low orbit man. We gotta get out the high orbit Belt at least where's the Tesla isn't there Tesla in orbit which orbits that oh you're talking about a car Yeah, they did do that at one space. It's an orbit right now But to bring it back home.
I've been excited. I've been excited What a random pole Debo and Kittle are so exciting if the targets go away from Brandon. I you the numbers when Debo's on the field without I you They're outlandish his yards per out run and stuff is just mind-boggling but It's a real hit it is a very big downgrade for Brock Purdy Who's a pocket passer if you don't have the extra deep threat the big play touchdowns? Available as readily and then George Kittle is average nearly eight targets a game when you can't out All right, we also have a quick Jordan Addison update we won't linger too long But he's been charged with two misdemeanors for his July DUI arrest three game suspension is the NFL standard DUI policy It could end up more he has a hearing on October 7th and That's it'll be very up in the air.
Does that get pushed? Does he get a mid-season suspension but yeah expect at some point this year or next your Jordan Addison will get at least a three game suspension Alright, that was today's news and notes presented by usa a insurance learn more at usa.com slash insurance We'll take a break and come back with our wide receiver rankings countdown All right, just checking in we don't have more Brandon. I use yet, right? Nothing yet.
No more rumors I use I use like tantalizing anything on what's the social media status of a you? Emojis out there has even switching any of his pictures. Yeah, is he wearing another jersey? Yeah, what's the colors of his most recent picture?
I'm on it. Yeah take a deep research here in the meantime. Let's begin wide receivers Alright, it is time to look at our half PPR rankings at the wide receiver position You know his yeah, what's his last one is a picture of him against the lions? So maybe the lions are in play who you know just throwing that out there or lions have mains Okay, his main team that he wants to go to I thought you were going to England Let me know where he goes someday.
Okay. All right. We are we are looking at our 2311 today and This will be fun. There's some discrepancy quite a bit actually starting at number 20 with Drake London I've got him at 20 on the dot.
That's where he ended up in our consensus because Jason's got him at 12 Mike at 26 He's 23 years old. I hate my ranking from just letting you know that you are morally opposed or like it's just he's the That's where he fell in the projections and it's not like a gigantic gap point wise between him and say where Andy has Met 20 and the upside is not with that's why we have an upside meter in the UK because that is not reflected in My median projections. Yeah, I mean we're sitting in this stage with Drake London of Excitement for the future fear of a Garrett Wilson style let down from last year Where you came in with expectations that weren't delivered on because you haven't had it and then you don't want him to become That perennial mccloryn DJ more of a day's of old so I think there's some fear and I think there's gonna be a big variety of rankings on Drake London I think that some people hearing you know Jason at 12 my say that's a little aggressive But I think there's other people that are gonna say that's right where he belongs 80 pieces that that's low Yeah, yeah I will say that he is scary to rank there because he hasn't done it yet. Obviously that's that's difficult But when you look at the trifecta of you know that the Garrett Wilson Drake London Chris Olave Trio that was drafted together.
They have looked great on the NFL field They've done some stuff. There's a lot of excitement for them and you have to say well What about the quarterback situation? I believe Drake London has the best quarterback of the three today now we Achilles injuries are coming back from them. You know, maybe maybe he's not the same obviously that's true for Garrett Wilson's quarterback as well and Rogers a lot of people be like wait You think cousins is better than Aaron Rogers?
I do at this point I think the 40 year old version of Aaron Rogers is not gonna be as good as Kirk cousins But if Kirk cousins if Drake London is very good at playing wide receiver Which he has looked on, you know, the metrics that matter the yards per out run in his career He's 2.47 yards per out run in three wide receiver sets that number is outstanding if Kirk cousin still has it How does Drake London not finish in the top, you know 15 or as wide as you want? He absolutely should there's questions about yeah I mean you have some kind of Jackable trades players on this roster Kyle Pitts is not a you know Kyle Pitts as an athlete that can be lined up and run down the field beach on Robinson Especially with Tyler Adjire there like Robinson can be using the passing game tremendously obviously Mooney was an addition and then just questions about how a new look offense is going to you know succeed under Zab Robinson All those things factor into the variability but he sits at 20 on rankings with upside that's factored in without question and You know the talent is there like if you if you guaranteed me targets my ranking changes if you can guarantee me enough Target I don't know how you I don't know how you cannot guarantee that like that's what I don't get This is the ram system coming over that plays at a faster pace three wide receiver steps throws up a lot and he's that he's such an alpha within this You know I'll grant you that Kyle Pitts and Beechon are going to be very involved But that's there you know it's I didn't running back that in the wide receiver room, which is the primary target well I mean the last two years 117 targets 110 targets. So yeah, I mean Arthur Smith Yeah, but yeah, but I guarantee what conversations been had of how do you not get look at this guy? He's the alpha there's nobody else how do you not get draglin in the football?
So I'm not going I don't fall into the every new offensive coordinator is amazing and it always works out That's all I'm saying so there's a proof it aspect to this season for Drake London because we all said if Terry McClellan got a hundred sixty targets to be Fun we all said you know these players should be getting them right I mean, you know we waited for years for the DJ more break out as well took a long time but your this season you're going to have to go in early and You know make your claim for it and honestly I know I'm sitting here saying like you should get the targets Everything should work out. I'm terrified when when I'm on the clock and he's the highest 80 P and he's the next highest in my rankings I often still don't take it because I It's hard when you're going into your three and you're saying please break out I mean you have to draft into your one you have to pretty much so that is that's kind of where we were with Gary Wilson And it didn't work out for people last year so there's a little bit of a fear I'll tell you right now. I just looked left at the back wall trying to see the clock for the show Is it back there? It is not but 1200 shows told me it would be so I just look for those I'm listening at home I can I swap spots again due to my grotesque appearance Which you I'm looking at it.
Yeah, I don't know why we didn't take into account my feelings No, I mean it's disrupting to the show in every regard. Yes, it's gross How's that feel it feels good feels real good? I mean I could do 19 is Brandon I you we just talked extensively about him the ranks are gonna jump all over the place based on the trade destination right now I've got him at 16 I get 17 Jason 22. This was the most efficient wide receiver last year Big play guy, you know We talked about if he stayed in San Francisco some of the pitfalls of matching those efficiency numbers again because of fancy points per target We're so incredibly high and and the big plays But this is a hyper talented player about to get paid it seems like by another team and these rankings are gonna They're just gonna move.
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean we TBD on what his target market share will look like and who his quarterback is I won't ask you every I won't ask each of you this question but Jason I'm real quick you have a 22 is that factoring and trade room? No, not at all That was as a niner and then if I say a team name I just want you to say where you think I'll end up when you reach out. Okay, I know it's not gonna be fun You're gonna do it anyway, New England 26 Pittsburgh 25 Cleveland 18 so he goes up from San Francisco that that's presuming a Maricouper leaves.
Yeah, okay Washington 20 okay, just off the top of the dome the one day Smith at 18. I don't know why you hate him Jason, but How do we have Smith ranks higher than you? Yeah, I don't know I gotta go look at a real deeper because I am all in on Devontay Smith this year I love him. I think he's gonna have an awesome.
Honestly here's how you guys are higher How's it going to be just our numbers where they're higher numbers you guys are 15 brilliant smart people you're brilliant smart people And you have him where he's you know gonna finish you've got him at 15 Andy and I need to adjust them up No higher stat numbers now I'm stats. Yes. That's what I mean I mean Devontay Smith. I don't know if you saw that little you know hype moment this morning of Jalen hurts completing 88 consecutive practice passes without an interception which is exciting to hear that with a new offensive mind coming in there But the storyline with the Monte Smith finished at wide receiver 20 last year missed the game by the receiver 10 the year before Mike has talked so much this offseason about Jalen the water and the fact that Jalen waddle He took a little step back last year after being the wide receiver 7 and got you know Mike expects him to come back to form very similar to me with the Monte Smith these two were darlings and last year's draft season and I think part of the narrative was like they got to deliver now on this new promotion and neither of them were able to do that But you know, this was the wide receiver 10 in 2022.
So Jason even though you hate him. Why do you love? I love him because the Eagles offense was so hard to watch last year It really was like it was I mean we saw it from the beginning of the year even when they were having success We commented on it This isn't revisionist history where we're saying oh things weren't good last year like their offense was bland and boring and it worked In the beginning of the year because they have immense talent because AJ Brown and Monte Smith are just awesome And Jalen hurts is a super capable quarterback that with his dual-threat ability you just you have it's tough as a defense however, you know, they didn't put men in motion It was like around 10% of the time man in motion. It was the lowest in the NFL and and Kellen more I know we've had debates is he great is he not great?
Whatever he's been successful offensively for a couple of years in a row Keenan Allen last year was phenomenal with you know with Kellen Moore CD lamb was good with Kellen Moore two years ago And so Kellen Moore coming over he might not be the greatest thing since sliced bread But I know he's not a bad offensive coordinator I know he can get the job done and I know he's got a great amount of talent So I'm in on the Eagles offense this season I really do expect it to be closer to what it was two years ago than last year and Devontay Smith Coming into his own as a great wide receiver who can be used in the slot a little bit more put in motion a little bit more Let me talk about that for a second because when you put a player in motion you give them an advantage Yes, and so when you see players that are extremely talented prolific wide receivers and you put them in motion Arizona we do this with with Larry sometimes, you know, CD lamb We've seen do that recently what I mean Tyreek is Tyreek is always moving They have did you guys see that they're at least trying very like a focus for the refs will be what they're calling a cheating motion Where arena like you have I mean if you're watching the game it definitely happens of Tyreek will be running Laddily and he'll turn up field just before the snap How are we how are we not calling this a penalty it certainly is so we'll see if that I should be able to keep your torso straight And your and your bottom half can move. Okay, really fun. So you're like you're you're facing as long as your torso is facing horizontal You can turn the legs. I'm saying can we make it just the helmet?
You know I mean because that's a little bit easier, but you can be running forward, but you've got to be looking back But yes, it sets people up for an advantage and this is something that I expect both a J Brown and Devonta Smith to be moved around more you have the Eagles quarterback of on thematics said he noticed the Eagles water She was lining up at different spots more often said he seen more Devonta Smith in the slot than he's used to seeing Devonta Smith Hey college in Alabama was an unbelievable player in the slot 5.4 or 5.5 yards per out run during his Heisman year from the slot All right, Smith at 18 17 DK Metcalf coming in. He's one of those players where Jason your your ranking is extremely high compared to Mike and I But his ADP to me is Basically his floor Mike and I have him ranked at his ADP right now But when you look at a you know you talk about kind of an inverse Drake London situation in your draft Mm-hmm, which is Drake London you are you're forced into him being a wider secret one You're you're having to make a bet that has to pay off whereas Metcalf I feel like if you draft him an ADP you might be drafting a wider super one where's his ADP wide receiver what 22? Okay, I mean he has a he's never finished that low since his rookie year. Yes Which he's like now wide receiver 12 wide receiver 18 wide receiver 16 last year was like last year was like I think the The group memory of Seattle is it was bad like it was it would they did not come through for fantasy football And he was the wide receiver 16 and 16 games played did have a little fear with the Genosmith injury news He's back at practice, but it would mean something if he was not there Metcalf is one of the value picks of the year And he is there you know from a physicality, you know, you look at the red zone report in the UK He was one of the leaders in red zone targets not necessarily completing them all into touchdowns But that those numbers come back to form yeah And you know you look at Marvin Elquin one of our great writers He did this study on what season each position kind of peaks historically year five and six compared to others at the highest ceiling Four fantasy points at wide receiver.
This is this is DK going into year six This is a player in his prime also the Ryan Grub offense coming from the University of Washington That was the one that featured Roma Dunes a so well and the comps aren't just like me saying it Ryan Grub has literally talked about the similarities between having one of those doomsday like players in DK Metcalf So I think we can be confident that he's the center number one piece of the offense and we know the talent So to me, you know, why does she pretend that's pretty high? That's gonna be touchdowns, right? If he gets the touchdown He can finish there if he doesn't he won't but he gets so much red zone work And he's got the body for it and he's done it before and he's being drafted as a wide receiver 22 He's just a he's a layup to me at 80 p-rated the big challenge was last year only at 6% great games Yes, I find them in the consistency charts and have his eight touchdowns three came in that Dallas game So then you're talking about breaking up 15 weeks with five touchdowns So yes, it is gonna come down to touchdowns and some more consistency if you're happy with that pick But he is he's capable and set up to do it and your confidence and grub leans that direction at number 16 Cooper cup is sitting at 16 his ADP right now 23 I am worried about the ADP just jettisoning jettisoning jettisoning jettisonn just just got a sign just a Tissenol. Just a Tissenol.
There he is. Tissenolary right there. Yes, thank you. Yes, thank you.
Because we do this and we definitely do this with players that have been, you know, multi-time top receivers in the game and at his current wide receiver 23, I'm all over it. I want Cooper Cup on every team. This the Puka Panic the Puka Panic is interested because he's hurt. He's weak to weak right now, right?
With the knee injury and there's been reports at camp that the offense is running through Cooper Cup already. And so, you know, he's on a mission. He's back to full health. You can be all those things and be 31 and still get hurt, right?
Sure. However, like if you go back and you look at the history of Puka Nakua, he has struggled with injuries as well. Yeah. And so those injuries struggles going back to high school and college like are, they're hanging out there as maybe Cooper Cup can be the guy this entire year.
The defense looks like it has weakened for the Rams. More throwing the football. McVayno's how to get the ball to Cooper Cup. We've seen this.
The recipe is out there. They've cooked the dish and it's delicious when it's made right. So we've spent, you know, sometime lately talking about, is this just a situation where we're all excited for Puka? I don't think that's okay.
Be excited for Koopa or a Koopa for Puka. Koopa, Koopa, Koopa. Yeah, don't be excited for Koopa. That's a bad tortoise.
But we were like, well, at the end of the year, are we going to look back and go, oh yeah, Cooper Cup is very good at football and he has a very strong connection with Matthew Stafford and these guys are still here. And are we just, are we letting the new, the excitement for one player diminish our excitement for another guy? Which we should be excited for both of them. And it's like, and Puka has been up here at the one two turn and Cooper Cup has been like a, what, like a late three or a fourth round guy and it's just, it's, it's imbalanced.
I don't, I don't believe that a healthy Puka Nakua is a better player than a healthy Cooper Cup today. Okay. I don't know if I believe that or not. I really don't.
It's, it's tough because obviously Cooper cups, his, his pinnacle is an all-timer. You know, he's a triple crown winner. He's done things that very few other water shivers have ever done. But man alive.
Puka is so physical. So, I mean, as a rookie coming on and doing what he did, I think they're about even. When you look at the decision, Mike, of staring down the Drake London Cooper Cup and who you want to slide in as a wide receiver one for how you're constructing your roster. Oh my goodness.
That's a good question. Because those, those guys, I mean, you're gonna have to drink, you're gonna have to drink, you're gonna have to draft London. We're doing real well. Yeah.
Morning recordings are going good. I'm staring at the back wall. Um, talk about King Cooper. Yeah.
I mean, obviously these two players could be much closer in 80 people by the time draft they hit is all I'm saying. They definitely will be. They will be. They will be.
Puka slides though. That's like, sure. Yeah. That could happen.
Because I like Puka. But what's your, what's your, where do I want to take it? No, what's your things to remember going into the? I know.
Don't buy the injury dip. Don't buy the injury dip. It never works. When they're hurt going into the beginning of the season, like we've been here with Coop.
Ironically, Coop was that guy. Yeah. Right. And then he ended up, what, missing five weeks?
Yeah. Yeah. He started the year and then Puka. Last year he got put on the.
Could you imagine, could you imagine like play this out? Puka should be fine. That's, that's what it's told. It's a week to week thing.
He should be fine. That's assumption. Let's just say week one, just week one, Puka misses. If Puka misses week one, Cooper cup is going to be the best draft versus Detroit.
I mean, Cooper cups going to have a billion fantasy points week one. His value will never be higher. Well, he plays Arizona week two. So it could be, it might be even higher on week two, man.
I, I, I, yeah. All right. Do the water with 15, Mike. You moving them up right now, Jay.
I don't, I want to keep them. Let him be there on draft day. Water with 15. Yes.
Uh, Mike, you're the highest of the three of us right now. I can sense this rank is 15. You talked him up on the ice and fire episode. If you want to hear a huge, uh, waddle breakdown, you can go listen to the ice and fire show.
That was a fun one. You should listen to it. This is good. Yeah.
Really. I'm not the episode. Not Mike's tape. Oh, thank you.
Yeah. So I'm not going to do the entire breakdown here, but it's the condensed version is essentially these two players talking about Tyree and Jalen, they have already had success together where Jalen water was the wide receiver seven in 2022. So this is not a both guys can't eat in this offense. Yes, they can't to a lead the league last year in passing yards.
He's going to contend to lead the league again in passing yards. And yeah, Tyree has a lot to do with it, but so does Jalen waddle who is absolutely, you just talked about, uh, we're looking for players who can beat zone. Jalen waddle dominates at that part of that aspect of offense. And last year it was just really bad injury.
Like not only just missing games, but getting hurt mid game, fighting through it. And I think that he can easily bounce back in the ADP this year is nowhere close to the risk that you invested last year. The price is what, yeah, last year I did draft him as a top 10 wide receiver. There's still an aspect of waddles game.
I'm the lowest of the three of us that reminds me of, you know, pickens last year where if you get that big play, you're, you're like, this is one of the best players in the game and you're going to win me a week. But if you don't get it, like that's the concern, which I get that it is just to me, the player Jalen waddle, what we've seen now over three or three years, but like he can be whatever the offense needs him to be that year one, it was, you know, like he was absolutely peppered with targets. He was just, he was a PPR machine and then, and then what will now were big plays. And so it's just, I think that he's so well rounded that going into year four, I think we're hitting ceiling.
He's a little lower on him than, than you are. I know you're bullish and it is really the consistency aspect. I mean, I've had him on my roster. I've had a lot of shares of waddle and you just don't get the really good games as often as you want.
You get great games, you know, week winning weeks, but I just wish he was more consistent and I'm worried that it's his play style that it will be consistently inconsistent going forward, even if he finishes well. All right. My argument for that is sure, like I can't argue against that because that's what's happened. No, you said you had an argument.
But the counterpoint is guys in that range can't give you the week winning weeks that Jalen and waddle can't get it. Yes, it won't be every single week. I'll pad in some, I'll find consistency later. I'm taking Jalen waddle as my wide receiver to what about water lookup between the two of them.
I would take Jalen waddle. All right. We'll take a break. Come back with another player Mike has fallen in love with all summer long.
All right. I don't know. I don't know if there's a guy that Mike needs to buy a jersey of more than number 14 on our consensus wide receiver rankings list. Oh Jalen waddle on the wall.
Niko Collins last year's wide receiver nine got paid like a number one, three year, $72 million extension, fantasy managers out there pricing him, you know, where they think this future with CJ Stradd is headed. He's a wide receiver 14 and ADP. I'm a little lower than that. Jason's a little lower than that.
Mike's a little bit higher. 35 receptions of 15 plus yards tied for the fifth most in the league. CJ Stradd was so good at extending plays and finding Niko Collins. I like the boom, Mike.
He was also the only wide receiver in the NFL to catch every 15 plus yard catchable target according to Warren Sharp. So I give you those numbers to kind of illustrate. This is a really good player, not necessarily just a really lucky season. Right.
And for me, Niko Collins is if CJ Sprout is who we think he is and what fantasy players think he is drafting him as a top five guy. Niko's the number one, Niko was the number one for this team. Then they paid him like he's the number one for this team. I don't care about Stefan Diggs coming into town.
So the fond Diggs will help the offense. Maybe we have more scoring opportunities here for Niko, but he, the fact that they immediately started treating him with their actions of this is our guy. This is absolutely our number one guy. And CJ Stradd's play style is at least last year was not, not look, no, don't panic.
Don't check it down. Stay poised and wait for Niko Collins. And don't run. And yeah, and that's my part of the start's game.
It's wait for for Niko Collins. If I get, if I can wait a half a second more or just a fraction, I believe that my guy is going to be open downfield and that happened over and over and over again. And you missed two games. Yeah, it was with the calf issue.
So that kind of, you know, finished inside the top 10 and he missed two games. Yes, he did. There's also, you know, there were glimpses of the offense of what it could be when a third wide receiver was good. And so I think that's why they brought in Stefan Diggs.
No, Brown's not a very great wide receiver. He's a, he's a, he's a tournament. Yeah, he's a tournament. And when he had his big games, I mean, you remember 6 for 153 and a touchdown, 7 for 172.
I think this offense can work with three wide receivers succeeding if there are three good wide receivers, but I've been rising on Nico. More and more, I was the slowest to come to terms with Nico being a very good wide receiver. I just didn't believe it. I was really disappointed.
I was about to say that Kyle has not found clips of me talking in previous off seasons of my belief about Nico Collins in that offense back when it was Davis Mills. And no, there were no weapons to get in the football, but he had that look. And it was neat to see him, you know, take a huge step forward. And maybe we don't let the multiple options in the offense, you know, get in the way of drafting the best player.
I'm trying to force my bell curve a little bit ahead because I do think three, four years from now, we're going to look back and be like, yeah, he had a third year break. It was a little later than what we're used to. But then he was just a star from then on out and he's paid like a star now. And it's, this is not an anti-Tinkdell take or podcast.
Yeah, I think that Tinkdell is, Tinkdell. Do we like AJ Brown and Devante Smith? Yep. And we like Jason Higgins.
Do we like Waddle and Tyneke? Yes. And so it's like Tinkdell probably represents an even greater value. Just in Puka of where his ADP is and where I think that Tinkdell is going to finish.
But it's, do the contract extension is, it speaks so loud to me of this with a team looking at all these, looking at the wide receiver landscape and like what's going on with CD Lam and Jamar Chase. It's these guys who have now put up multiple huge seasons and they're saying, no, I'm not playing until you open the bank for me and they got out ahead of that. You know, it's a fair move for Nico, 52 million guaranteed. He secures a generational well, but like, he could have waited.
Like if Nico had a DJ, Mar and Chicago, he had another great year. If he has, like you're anywhere close to what he put up last year this year, that salary is is jettisoning into the stratosphere. So they got out in front of it and I commend them for it. This just in the tax incentive trader for wide receiver Brandon Iuch to add to the three pack.
That's fine. No, that is that's false news. Fake news, maybe it'll happen. Probably won't happen.
Mike Evans at 13. Mike Evans last year was was incredible. A revelation, a league winner, an unbelievable value. And one of your my guys.
It was very, very, very special to see him. I mean, 17 weeks wide receiver five, crushes a 30 year old, got paid. You know, we do have a change in offensive coordinator, but like again, this is the point I made last season with Mike Evans. I will not make it forever, but maybe I will.
Nobody has seen more change. Nobody is quarterback head coach, offensive coordinator, all of it. Then Mike Evans. And this is a player that from 2014 wide receiver 12, 24 to 18, 8, 12, 10, 8, 16, 5.
I mean, he's the first ballot, I don't think. Some would and he's wide receiver 15. So you're not paying like think about the season. Waddle had two years ago and then he goes up and he's 80 p nine.
Then you look at the season that Mike Evans had two spots higher last year than where Waddle had finished when he got moved up to nine and the age keeps him at wide receiver 15. I think it's a very fair price. It's basically where we all have him ranked. I don't think there's you need to go into it more than that.
No, I think it's a fair price. The only concern is touchdowns. And it's not that Mike Evans has not been a touchdown machine. If you look at the last four seasons, 13 this previous season, six in his down season, the year before 14, the year before that 13, the year before that.
But those were Brady. And then it was a matter of, do you believe Baker can get him to double digit touchdowns? You did, Andy. You made that case.
I didn't. And he did. He got 13 now. Can Baker do again?
The question is it's still Baker of whether Baker can provide Mike Evans with double digit double digit touchdowns. Cause I think he's going to need to be around there. So just give me eight. I think eight will make me content in 80 p anything higher than eight.
We're going to beat it. That's that's about my line. Okay. And he's that eight.
He had six in 2022 and that knocked him to think about that. Why does it for 16 missed two games and only scored six touchdowns and ended at 16 and his 80 p is 20 is 15. Yeah, but I remember that season. He that was pure pain and most of his points came in that beautiful weeks.
But again, look, the case for Evans is so much stronger than the case where he came back out right now. That I would I mean, it's just so much stronger. I don't think that's true. I mean, that blows my mind.
Why are you just a mic? This is all. No, I'm not a Mike Evans. Hater.
I'm just saying in years of dominance, a 26 year old versus a 30 year old and are you saying that Baker is significantly better than Gino? Is that what you're saying? I'm saying Mike. One Mike Evans.
Mike Evans is a better. Yes, that's true. Mike Evans has proven it over time with lots of different quarterbacks. And no, I would I would take Metcalf behind Evans every day of the week.
Crystal Lave, Crystal Lave is quite interesting. He's at 12 in our consensus. He's at eight on my ranks. I was staring this down with Jason the morning yesterday going, Jason, I've got a Lave at eight and I don't know what to do with these feelings.
Mike's got him in 19. Yeah, because he hurt me. Jason had 11. But emotional.
Yeah, I don't it. Hopefully it's not but Crystal Lave. He should. I don't like my ranking.
He should dominate. He should. Yeah, and he kind of did. Kind of.
He kind of did. It was the lows were really low with O'Lavi. But he's the number one reason this offense. Mike Thomas has gone.
O'Lavi is going to hold up everything they do in the passing game. Derek Carter, take it for what you will. It ain't coffee with Cooper Cup. But Derek Carter spent extensive time this offseason.
Extra routes, extra reps after practice with Crystal Lave to get on the same page. And O'Lavi is just too talented, I think. There was a very funny Crystal Lave interview with her like, did you see anything this training campfire? I thought it was like, what play?
They're like, have you seen any plays that made you just say, yeah, we're going to be a really good team. And he's like, nah, which is not the answer you want to give. Yeah, that was pretty funny. So to me, there's a lot of upside.
You talk about upside and E.D.K. potential explosive season waiting to happen. And even at Thunderhill, who we love came out and said the connection looks really good in the preseason. It's just a matter of delivering on the promise.
And again, it's going to come down to Touchdown for O'Lavi too. Yeah, he just didn't get the big plays into the end zone last year. And that really hurt him, but he still ended up in the top 20. That's a hard part of what happened last year was there was a lot of, there was a lot of good games.
We never had that one moment where like you go into Monday and everyone is talking about, did you see what Chris O'Lavi did yesterday on the football field? We got like his best game. Let's see 123. So wide receiver 12, 9 for 123 against the Rams and like in terms of yardage, you know, he ranked higher than what he would have scored touchdown, but it's we didn't have that 120 and two or like the and that's, I mean, that's a very high bar.
I'm not saying that that's an easy thing to do. It's a matter of true number ones do that at least a couple times a year. Yeah, we haven't we haven't gotten there yet. I do think we'll get there.
I believe the best Chris O'Lavi season has not been seen yet, right? I don't think he's peaked in his career and he is not valued the same as Garrett Wilson and Drake London. Like, you know, I think he has seen as kind of the third. If you compare Chris O'Lavi to Garrett Wilson, I think everyone says Garrett Wilson is is better.
You know, he's drafted higher. He should be better. So I just want to play a little game. Oh, that's here.
This game's called Chris O'Lavi or Garrett Wilson. Well, let's really open that was the name of the game. Let's just start with games. Who's played more games?
They came into the same time of the career. This is just trying to give one to Garrett Wilson. He's trying to give one to Garrett Wilson real quick. Yeah, yeah.
Garrett Wilson has three more games played. Yeah. All right. Who has more targets in their games?
Garrett Wilson. Yeah, I'll go Garrett Wilson. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
He's got 315 targets versus Chris O'Lavi is only at 257. He's laying the sticks across the whole mic. He's shuffling. You ready to walk?
Go get that meat higgin from the tree branch. All right. Let's just look at the advanced the advanced metrics. I don't think I will.
Targets per route run and yards per route run. Those, you know, who gets the target? I think it's a lobby. Targets.
Targets I'm going to go. Wilson yards. I'll go a lot of it. Both of them are Chris O'Lavi ahead.
Okay. Who has more top 12 fantasy finishes? Higher percentage of top 12 fantasy. I think I've been down this road before.
I think that lobby's got that. It is a lobby. Yeah. Who has a higher percentage of top 24 finishes?
It is a lobby. Who has more total yards? Okay. It is a lobby.
That's where total top is down. That one's pretty interesting. A lobby. Yeah.
He's just not given. I don't think he's given the respect he deserves. He's been somehow a disappointment, even though he's been really, really well. Well, when you have basement quarterback in New York and you have mid quarterback in New Orleans, the grace has not been given to a lobby with mid as it has been with, like, Garrett Wilson gets a free pass.
Yeah, because of the other Wilson. Yeah. Put Derek Carr on the New York Jets last year. That team makes the playoffs.
Yes. Certainly. Oh, yeah. And that's where Wilson doesn't disappoint you.
I get, like, I like Chris O'Lavi a lot. I was the one, you know, just last offseason of that exact thing. Same thing of, I don't think the gap between Garrett Wilson and Chris O'Lavi should be as big as it is. The problem is this is ADP is the wide receiver 12.
If it was 20, you're talking my guy contention. Right. But 12 is like, that's not a floor for him. So there's risk.
Mm-hmm. There's a little bit of Drake London risk. So he's being drafted as a top 12 guy. Can Chris O'Lavi finish top five?
Such a good question. No. I don't think so either. And for the record, I do think there are both of them.
12 to 6. Yeah. That's the hard part about the ADP. Marvin Harrison is the last name we'll talk about today.
It comes in at 11. His ADP is nine guys. We are officially not homers. Did you realize that?
You're welcome. We are wide receiver 11. Also, I made some adjustments earlier in the week. He was at eight.
He's at 10 for me. Mike at 11, Jason at 15. All three of us, slightly below ADP. As much as I believe in the clear path to not busting that exists for Harrison, which I do believe it is still a just, it is the highest sticker price on the lot.
Mm-hmm. Right. Like you are not waiting for rates to come down. No.
You want it. You want it bad and you want it now. This is not a family car. It's exciting.
It's flashy. It's a two-seater. This is for dad only. This is a two-seater.
And you know, Al, the A put in on a seat belt. That's premium, premium gasoline in there. Yes. So you are paying the highest price to have the sexiest vehicle.
And it will be probably pretty fun. I really do think it's going to be a great year. But there's going to be some times where you're going to be like, man, I wish I had a back seat. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Yeah. It could be. Brotries don't fit in here.
I should not have left the roof off. It's raining. And if Kylo Murray goes down, enjoy Desmond Ritter supplying Marvin Harrison with with fantasy value. This question is like the one you just asked.
It's the best question about Marvin for the ADP, which is why does she have a nine to mid-second round pick? The highest he can finish in year one is what? He can be a top five guy. I do believe that a Jamar Chase rookie season is possible.
Where was Chase as a rookie? He finished. Why does he? I believe it was six or six.
Why does he ever fight? He's in a half point. You're a way out. He put up 81 for over 1400 yards and 13 touchdowns.
Now the 13 touchdowns is doing some real heavy lifting there. But it was four. It's four or five. Is that what you think?
Yes. It is absolutely possible. It is a it is a cheek clenching pick to take a rookie. The highest draft of rookie of all time for fantasy football.
His margin for error is solo. The emotional cost of Marvin Harrison, if Marv goes out week one and gives you seven for 45 or something like that, you are going to panic in the streets. Let me give a draft strategy thought with Marvin Harrison. There are a lot of wide receivers going in the first round.
You guys just did a mock draft and somehow Mike ended up with Bijan at nine because the big name wide receivers are going and going early. Which means that on that turn, for a lot of you, do you want to grab your run back or do you want to grab a second wide receiver in Marv? The price for Malik neighbors is two rounds later. And Malik neighbors is really, really good.
And there's not the risk attached. Not that there's huge risk with Harrison as a floor play, but you're waiting for your running back. And then until your draft strategy is going to have to become third round, fourth round running backs. It's just something a little bit scary where he's going strategically.
Now if you go running back early, then Marv's your number one. So you've got to go Gibbs or Kyren and then you've got to come back and say, Marvin's my number one wide receiver. And I think I'm more okay with that than I am with Waddler Drake London. But it's still a little bit scary.
It is, it is, you know, obviously we haven't seen him on the NFL field, but there hasn't been a prospect like him in a long, long time. He is as perfect a prospect as you can be. He has the height, the speed, the ball skills, the pedigree, the heritage. I mean, he's got it all.
He's the clear one for his depth start with no real competition. It's been from day one here in Arizona. He is the alpha wide receiver for the team. And he's got a good quarterback in Kyler who has been able to support, you know, fantasy success in the past.
Hopkins was his first year here. No, Hopkins was a superstar at the time, of course. But the Andre Hopkins year one in Arizona was the number five overall fantasy wide. Yeah.
So I mean, it's tough because I could see a world where you are disappointed. And it is a bust of a pick this year. He's not going to be a bust of a, of a player. But if he goes out and has five touchdowns and, you know, his line and, you know, a lot of sports books is right around 1,000 yards.
If he goes out and gets 1,000 yards on the dot and six touchdowns, you're going to fail super disappointed with this draft slot. But the truth is we talk about Chris Olave does not have the potential to be top five. I do think Marvin Harrison does. And so that's why you're making decisions basically between those type of players.
I think the floor is higher for a Chris Olave than it is for a rookie Marvin Harrison. I think the ceiling is higher for Marvin Harrison. So it's just like, what is, what is the way you want to play? Well, that'll do it for today's episode.
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