what's up everybody welcome to the kind of games cast for wednesday march 12th 2025 i'm your host greg miller alongside forbes 30 under 30 aka new york game awards nominated aka wwe 2k25 poppy over there it's the master of five snowbikes greg good morning great to see you love the energy today and i love that we're talking about wwe i know i'm deep down the wwe well yeah because like when i need motivation in the gym i start to think about roman reigns i'm like i'm like i think about roman reigns picking somebody up and i'm like he can do it i can pick up this weight man i can do it and so shout out roman reigns shout out to roman reigns in general the otc yeah i was uh rocking some my fashion stuff last time using the uh elite you know toy version of roman reigns when he does the one where he grabs the arm and pulls them up into the power bomb yeah god damn this is my man what a man what a man what a money good man oh my kind of your energy how are the pokemon minds you're of course doing nix nuzlocke 2.0 soul silver day three in the books three gym badges down uh we are having a great time over on the afternoon stream so far the pokemon nuzlocke 2.0 has been a huge success with the community with ourselves we've been having fun we've been driving subs we've been driving just good moments you know we haven't lost one yet we've got we've got a couple of mistakes where maybe we weren't fully paying attention to what was on screen maybe reading all the prompts you know reading is a big thing for us exactly he doesn't he doesn't want that but i'll encourage you go check out of course our big marathon stream the past two days have all been uploaded to youtube we're coming at you with day four later this afternoon if you're listening and watching live here on twitch on youtube it's been a great time so far of course this is the kind of games cast each and every weekday we come to you with the biggest topics in video games whether they be previews reviews or 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games to chime in with super chats to be part of the show so we can talk about the island now it wasn't a super chat so it rolled by over here i see people chatting up already i love that but somebody was like i played the island i see the vision and i'm excited to talk about this very specific review if you will today because we've been talking about the island for a long time but we'll get to that in one second of course we're an 11 person small business all about live talk shows uh kind of funny games daily already happened of course it kicks off your programming day 10 a.m pacific each and every week day i covered scopely buying pokemon go creator niantic uh blessed i was coming in late because ben had a singing performance staying today wow early morning singing i mean that's how you gotta get a vocal cord you don't like you want to get one of these little kids cook they're not gonna have anything for you you know what i mean a whole bunch mr sun you know at the end we close it out with um uh my question for you is how did tim take this pokemon go niantic news uh i mean he was sad about it but it's one of those things where according to him pokemon go is already kind of a bad place so it's like when the bad people like devour the bad people it's like okay well it could get more bad but already we're bad and so it's all bad fair enough yeah uh after this daredevil screencast is popping off where we'll be talking about episode three and then after that the nick lock continues as nick goes to catch them all today's great waste 15 minutes of me talking about putting your dog in dog jail today we're brought to you by monster hunter now built rewards and stash we'll talk about that later for now let's begin the show with what is and forever will be topic of the show can you tell me what's up about the game's background is that every now and then i'll beat a new game and then i'll see the thing and it'll make you emotional oh yeah last night i beat our wilds and our wilds back while this came up it just made me feel something but i'll talk about that tomorrow you're reviewing that tomorrow i'm very excited for that one today however we're going to talk about wwe2k25 don't turn off the show yet we've been talking about this uh very openly where i was like oh man usually i review my embargo and i was bummed out i wouldn't be able to so i went back and was like all right people don't watch the wwe review so we're not doing a whole blow-by-blow review of ww2k25 imagination instead we want to dive into just talking about the island of course this is something we talked about quite a bit leading up to this when they announced this mike has been for you to talk all about hey i gotta come in here and talk about what nba is doing in 2k game so you can understand why this could be what it's gonna be and blah blah blah snow bike mike dedicated his entire weekend to going through and being on the island of relevancy with roman rain i've touched it last night did a bunch of requests so i'd have some things to say and then bless how much island have you been playing uh i played about 15 minutes before i was like i'm gonna play my fashions and that's what i love about being here is like you're in on ww2k25 yeah i heard you and roger talking about it he came out about the showcase going through my fashion stuff you know that speaks to my heart because i did a little bit of that last night oh yeah all right i got the island for my fashion order yeah the road yeah yeah you gotta go back i mean now you can buy losses yeah i mean yeah i love that i love that but we'll talk about that but this is specifically about the island you might not know much about the island what you need to know about the island and mike's gonna go through and give you the blow-by-blows here is this we've been worried about the island since they announced the island is you creating a character putting on the island of relevancy for roman reigns's approval going in there and obviously we heard about it's an act of what is it the yard the neighborhood in a neighborhood in the city where mike drops no less than 150 every year to be competitive to buy the game and then upgrade my character yeah gotta do it so there's a lot of concern about what we're getting here and we've made a lot of jokes about the island now we've played the island uh the world is talking about the island in ww2k25 reviews it's not good uh medicare right now on ww2k25 is in 82 notably ign game spot a bunch of places still haven't reviewed it uh behind the curtain codes came in incredibly hot for this and we were not given a lot of time with it so you're seeing a lot of people put a review in progress wait for it uh what's interesting is 82 you go oof about what i expect from an annual game that's not what the reviews read like the reviews are very much like this is an amazing wrestling game hampered by the island if you aren't familiar with the island the official site says for the first time in franchise history step outside the ropes and onto the island for ps5 and xbox series x greg chiming in notably the island is not on pc uh this immersive wwe theme world complete quests take on challenges complete i'm sorry compete in live events and upgrade customized to my superstar through multiple storyline chapters join the fight i'm sorry to join the original travel chief roman reigns at the table let's jump into some reviews i've posted uh chris telling of course over vgc gave the game a four out of five and wrote with a string of improvements across all its existing modes ww2k25 outdoes its predecessor in pretty much every way remember greg chiming in again as somebody who's reviewed games and put a wrestling game forever played wrestling forever i've been very vocal that we're fooling ourselves if we were saying ww2k24 is the best wrestling game of all time and that's me saying that because i love no mercy i love these n64 games i love here comes the pain i'm not but like the package the gameplay what they were doing with that i think is on another level so back to chris though uh the weak link is the new island mode with its cynical pay to win mechanics but throw a scene a taunt in its face and pretend it doesn't exist and you'll find more than enough elsewhere in this game to keep you entertained for months ben wilson over at games radar plus give it a four out five but it's there and until we let's talk about the island but the island's there until we figure out that new two-tiered scoring system it means the island in my faction have to factor into the final rating where in-ring action is concerned this is right on the cusp of being a five-star wrestling sim but has to lose a star for its cash grab modes which land as snugly as a logan paul brass knuckle shot to the jaw in which your recipient rather than the rich youtuber snow bike mike i have seen you flourish you're kind of funny i think no one can deny what a great host you are what a great personality you are last year was the year of mike of you coming into your own when you i walked in today you said i got the doc and you sent me your copious notes for what you think of the island i was so excited because you've been so good on the road to this coming in and saying here's what nba is doing here's what it is i want to give you the floor i have paid to say about what i played on the island i brought screenshots i brought videos but i want to hear what you have to say yeah greg i have a lot of thoughts uh i have completed the island season chapter one whatever you want to listen yeah mike blue skies up completely island wc25 you need to get outside more dot dot dot it says the screenshot chapter one complete you caught roman's attention and unlocked a valuable secret the first of many on the island will it motivate you to continue your climb to the top chapter two is not yet available continue to explore the island impress your tribal chief by leveling up and matches against fellow competitors until additional story content drops and remember roman is always watching yeah let's just hang it there for just a second that was a massive disappointment blessing to be smacked in the face with that message at the end of it all because i was competing for that wwe contract of course that's what you get on the island of relevancy uh i made a poorly bad look of myself yeah i put on a mask so i pretend like it's me i made snow bitch mitch oh no when i get uptight and i get angry yeah i know that i was very stoked for mine i sat in i'm like i don't think i'm committed to this mode and i'm not gonna sit here and customize a greg right i didn't see an option to download a character and put it in like you can in my eyes so i was like okay i went through like the templates i liked like all right what's your background you know you're an star your family legacy yeah you're a social media creator i picked that and they just gave me a guy with a sunglasses and they're like his name is teddy roblox i love that uh yeah let's let's dive deep into the island because it is a mixed bag there's some good that i want to highlight there's a lot of bad that i definitely want to highlight and i want to talk about where we stand right now with wwe and the island present and hopefully in the future because i don't see this mode going away anytime soon because what has been built off the back of mba 2k in the neighborhood into the city so let's talk about the island right now the island for me has some nice goods from the nice look of the island think universal disneyland theme park all of your favorite attractions all your favorite themes are there it is interesting i don't want to call it fun because you move in slow motion so what the fuck is going on with the movement on the island we'll talk about that that's why i told you that's how 2k upsells you you buy a go-kart with your vc and you can zoom around the city and mba 2k but on the island it is fun to run around the islands now i say fun because running isn't fun but seeing the detail and the loving care that this team put into all the small little details all the calls to all your favorite wrestlers in this theme park vibe is good it is cool to see that come to life i agree like i think they've done i have a lot of critiques about the island and how they laid it out and we'll talk about all of it through here but to give them praise like when we were watching the first debut thing and you right there you saw the ray mysterio outfits through the years like oh that's cool and then this graveyard i think we paused it did a shot by shot on one of the shows and like oh my god there's pepper's grave you know there's a brother the goblet gook he's like it's like okay like this is fucking nonsense but it's like i like that they're calling out wrestling stuff i clearly wrestling fans built this yes uh it has a lot of great detail and you enjoy if you're a wrestling fan running around getting lost if you imagine yourself in a wwe theme park this is what it would look like right there's a hall of heroes with cody roads and becky lynch you go over to undertaker's graveyard and you get lost with paul bearer right and then you go over to ray mysterio in his giant temple looking back on the years of wwe and luchador wrestling it's very cool and novel and fun right and that's about where it stops for me so that is the good i want to highlight i really enjoy the look of the island i appreciate the ring detail they all have four unique rings that you can play in from the hall of justice cody roads to oscar's uh arcade of tomorrow very cool look like the detail loving care into the look of the island very well done what i expect especially that i dinged nba 2k those first uh early iterations of the city neighborhood were awful and ugly to run around and this is like oh somebody handcrafted this is really quick and again as a wrestling game fan like i'm always down for more arenas right so having more rings in there blessed i'm all for and like yeah arcades tomorrow actually is kind of dope you knock them out and be like the see-through floor of like pipes or whatever oh that's they're doing something different that isn't oh it's just nxt oh it's match on the beach oh it's raw 2001 heroes hq looks like you're in the justice leagues like i don't know heroes center maybe back like that is that cave like they got really cool like background all of these rings so that really elevates like man that's awesome i hope we can use those in generic game modes and the other ones uh so that's where my praise will kind of begin and probably say because now i turn my attention to what the island really is and it is just this mishmash of it wants to be a beautiful shared universe like nba 2k where you create your character you run around the theme park with blessing vague and all your friends get to show off your cool wacky outfits show off that your overall is x show off your ranking is this go play matches together but none of that happens in the island so you cannot play any matches with your friends in the island it is dedicated it's all random random matchmaking because it's built off the back of a competitive landscape which i get right so instead of mba 2k where you would think oh wwe they're just gonna put a bunch of wrestling mats all around the island and you'll queue up with your friends you'll do the ww or the 2k nod while you wait and then you'll play with your friends no there's none of that you'll go to the four different areas so there's six areas on the island that will highlight six locations i wrote you have the main plaza which is your welcome area in your shops you have roman reigns monument giant gold statue there's clearly things that they want to build off because there's an arena and a hall of legends that are just set pieces there's nothing going on there they're not open at all then you have undertaker's graveyard which has rhea ripley's ink and piercings you have undertaker's church where you'll get your matches there you have ray mysterious temple which has ray's mask shop uh lorena's face paint and ray's temple where you get uh more matches cody roger's hall of heroes which has truth wear hurricane outfitters the hall of justice to take matches and oscar's arcade of tomorrow that just has the arcade of tomorrow so you probably say to yourself so mike mike that's a lot of shops you brought up yeah there's 11 shops in this just so you know that you can buy luckily but i'm sure it's all reasonably priced yeah yeah but what you would think is oh man that's so cool i get to run around the sea park with my friends surely i can group up with them surely we can go do matchmaking together no none of this is about that it has a which is weird because when you're in there you can have your friends online you can jump into that world and see them but you can't queue up and match together you can't party up at all so it's a very odd thing of it it wants to be a shared world but at the same time at its core it's very single player oriented you have a very big single player story in this that's not my rise but it's its own standalone story that's wacky that incorporates time traveling with ray mysterio paul bearer bringing up the undertaker's greatest hits going over to see cody rhodes and becky lynch fighting the judgment day as heroes versus villains going to see xavier woods and his video game character and so like yeah like what i'd like to dial it back to you i feel like hopefully there's a lot of people watching who don't like are just here but to give you an explanation for it right when i did the call after they announced it they did like a media call like oh you know a q and i'd ask you questions listening but one of the things they said that didn't make sense at the time makes more sense now is the designer of the island said listen the way 2k has brought wwe to video games we want to bring video games to wwe and so you hear that what the fuck does that mean and then you get into this you go uh bear can you toss up johnny dakota jpeg uh the idea is that it's they're trying to do this quest base you pop in these guys the character models are just on screen look terrible terrible they don't move but they will move their faces kind of like a persona if it was just art it would look beautiful yeah here they take the character models and stretch their faces and be like but it's this idea like you're going through talking to these people and so you click it there's no vo there's no vo to this you're just clicking it and then it advances to another screen as if you're doing a visual novel as if you're doing whatever uh and then the stories yes are wacky so the wood storyline spoilers is that zero the from up down down the like xavier's alter ego he builds every year in the video game to go play or whatever has gotten out of the video game so it's xavier woods on the screen talking to zero also xavier woods are you a gamer that's great but look out with all due respect to xavier how bad his face looks yeah that's not xavier looks bad that's them taking a character model like raise his eyebrow put his thing down like he's talking like it just doesn't work well uh but it's like that kind of insanity and then like because they're in the arcade tomorrow and they're doing all this stuff dakota and johnny have made magic gear you can wear in the game in this ring to be more powerful and so you put on this if you want to throw my video uh barrett there's a whole bunch of terrible things there but they put you into this gear then go fight xavier woods this is when there's a big reveal it's like it's an excuse to go wrestle but then it's this nonsense story toss on top which i want to get you i'm not shitting all over that because of course my rise does exist and my rise is the hey you're backstage and the ms hates you so you have to go wrestle in gauntlet match like whatever this is the weird picture on the island anything can happen yeah that's the interesting part is at the core of the island is just a single player narrative alongside a online competitive ranking system that is strictly 1v1 so you have two options here to go through of course roman reigns has passed you with becoming the number one on the island to earn a wwe contract which will lead you all along the island with some of your favorite wwe superstars and it is a crime it is a crime that we can't ask wwe superstars to record four lines of dialogue we have a whole year we have cell phones the writing on this is grade level at best if you're telling you can't walk up to woods and say hey with a great match you got to read this line really quick and say that we have incredibly talented human beings and we can't put voiceover lines on this stuff do you want to get into it i mean yeah let's get into that because i can't but it's like i see what they're trying to do back to the person who said earlier came back to say the vision again i see what they're trying to do especially they're being in the chapter of like hey rather than like my rise is that if you're not a wb player my rise is the one you take your creative character you throw him in and there's a narrative story that branches and does stuff and you come off and kathy kelly will talk to you backstage and tell you what to do xavier won't insult you there's this that the other right that's what you're getting all that and i think that has to be written so far and recorded so far in advance and animated so far in advance that that's locked whereas this i think their hope is going to be that they can update it throughout the year and drop in here's the johnny gargano character model with text underneath it mike i'm with you i don't think this works the way they want it to i don't think it's impressive i don't see anybody like i love this mode because of that but i see what they're trying to do and this is my yeah there's a great episode of the blessing show i did about why wwe2k should be a live service right and i think it falls back into this of like there is an issue with wwe2k of they try to do so much and when you do this much nothing can get the 10 out of 10 treatment it deserves right i guess i say that to step back and give them flowers the gameplay is awesome because they've just been iterating right since they screwed up in 2020 they've just been hey here's what it is they actually change it like i think the gameplay is awesome i think the presentation is awesome but like you get into these things right now we already had a super chat come through uh demon hacker says why is terrible why is terrible normal online not considered in reviews took three hours to play one successful elimination chamber online without issue it's been the same for years that demon hacker falls into the category we're talking about let alone the shitty review period people are given with the game where you get this game i want to say we got it on tuesday so it's like you have people who are cranking through trying to taste everything as fast as possible online always gets the shaft on this kind of conversation in that kind of review period because there's not enough people playing online to go do it but that's also the thing of what do you personally watching or listening want out of this game and i think when that game is this diverse where me and blessed can just i played so much last year that was like my main mode right did i did one gm with you on a stream i did universe and stopped really early i'd never played online i've made one of my friends online like it's everybody comes to these games for something different and it can get to the minutia of like man i love x y and z but it's like okay well i love royal rumbles and that doesn't work well because i would never know that because i like like there's so much going on in this game that it's not impossible to review review it but it is the reason that like igian's got a review in progress that hasn't been updated since monday because they're still cranking away on well sticking on the voices right you are teased by the opening of the island is paul hayman and roman reigns in a youtube-esque quick 30 second video and you're like oh my god they got these two dudes together like this could be dope you get three of those total for a grand total of like 45 i'm gonna slap in the face on that because like it's exciting to see roman reigns in the gear paul hayman and we're talking the basic of steps right they're in a locker room with one chair like i'm not asking much out of this right like that shows you how much the wrestling fans wanted like holy shit like they got roman reigns on this right now to do this and it's like completely taken away by you jump in and there's the poor character model in 99 of the stuff here's storylines that feel like it's ai generated as well and that's my worry is like you if you put at least their voices on there it feels a little bit more above what you're reading because we're talking about charlotte flair and fucking what's the girl something fire right the witches girls right we'll just call for a minute they're putting sleeping powder on cody roads at the heroes hq and you're like what are we doing video games and it's video games into wrestling but you read these stories and you go man this does not seem legit this isn't good right but at the core of it you're getting to gameplay right and if you are a wrestling fan and you like the games and the gameplay that's what you're getting the most out of right because every single little bit leads to another piece of gameplay right whether it be you and zero battling in mech armor you and ray mysterio going back in time to go fight ricky steamboat which is insane mind you because that is 100% ripped out of last year's wwe wrestlemania montage because if you remember you fight ricky steamboat and macho man those are probably the exact same fights in this it's like oh maybe we didn't spend too much time thinking about this one because that's pound for pound the same thing right and so there's this mix of like i had a fun time because of the gameplay i enjoyed running around this novel theme park setting i hated that it's supposed to be this beautiful cooperative world and none of it is cooperative right it just feels like i'm alone on this island running around mind you we're in early right i'm in with only the people who are buying the super edition of the gameplay so like there's minimal people also there's four different game modes you can play so if we go down the list here on my island breakdown for you while you break it down hold on let's of course remind everybody we can do this support over on patreon.com that's kind of funny apple and spotify that's where you can pick up a kind of funny membership to support this small 11 person business making daily talk shows for your 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new mode but for me it's the thing of most of my experience so far with 2k25 has been pretty much the modes outside of the island and when i tell you that i in the way that you mentioned 2k24 is the best one right like i feel like that right now about 2k25 in terms of how upgraded everything feels how obviously up to date because that's how these things work of like okay cool now i can play jacob 2 finally but like hopping into the bloodlines rules match being uh that was one of the first things we did when you had the code in the pound on the mat around you yeah well that's a different one oh you're right sorry that's underground you're right yeah bloodline rules is like the wrestlemania thing they did last year right and like having all of our um like picking our own individual wrestlers and having them come out one at a time and like having it be though we're recreating this wrestlemania moment but um it works within the ilex system of the game and so like you know depending on who i pick like i chose going there right and so um oh what's the whole thing tizer yeah yeah ludic tizer comes out right in the middle of the match and he's playing somebody else and his ilex come out um like playing these different modes uh feeling the moment gameplay of man it just feels like this game is way more dialed in than any other wwe game i've played in the past like if it's so wild playing it and seeing how upgraded this this game feels compared to i guess any wrestling game prior but then yeah hearing about the island being like my eyes kind of plays over a little because i'm like man this sounds like a nightmare and i'm so glad that i'm not allowed myself into this thing at all and that's what's weird for me and i will pass it back to you because i love everything you have here the doctor of island economics uh but it's this idea like i am there with you playing it last night jumping around going into showcase mode which is always showcase is always so well done but to have paul hayman there yeah oh my god you know he's just fucking crushing it obviously i came into the wrestling obviously but i came into wrestling in like mid-2000s right so i never had a moment to learn about yokozuna and like what his role was right even like i don't think i even knew that he had retired hokogan for about nine years or whatever so like hopping into the bloodline story seeing how far back the family spans like i've known that the family spans back right like getting the context of everything and being like oh damn it started off with this like this and like you know like i watched when waga was wrestling right So I'm like, oh, fuck, yeah, like, fucking wild shit, right, of, like, learning that through the showcase mode. And, yeah, this showcase mode feels even improved from previous showcase modes as far as how they fit in the cutscenes together, right? It's not cutting back to a FMV video. Now it is, like, all recreated within the engine.
And it feels more natural and it feels, so far, in my opinion, I think this is probably the best showcase they've done so far, especially with Paul Heyman narrating it and it being such a, you know, such an important story throughout the history of wrestling. I'm having such a blast with it. Yeah, I think, you know, I talked about it in my preview for WWE 2K25, right, that it is a game about the little things. It is about, okay, well, now LED walls get damaged or you can jump off of this.
You know what I mean? Because I think we're in such a great place for what I want out of a wrestling game, a simulated wrestling sim, right? And so, yeah, I'm right there with you. Like, everything under the hood is so good and going so far but then it is, like, the island.
And for me, it's not even so much that, like, you were getting there and I want to let you get there. But the thing, when I'm playing it last night, I'm like, oh, my God, like, when I'm slowly running around this fucking island, right? And, you know, when you get a review code, most likely, especially for WWE, you get the highest, craziest edition. We have a Deadman edition, right?
Which is the Crazy Bells and Whistles one. Or is it the Bloodline edition? We have the biggest edition they had, right? So it also came with a bunch of VC.
So when I went and created my character, you can immediately pay to move your character up and I started doing it because I was like, you know what? No, I want to see what it is like for normal. So I erased it all, started it. And I'm playing the matches in the same way when I play my faction.
I'm playing as much as 69s and 72s. It's like, okay, yeah, I'm not a full-powered Cody Rhodes, but I'm not also getting my doors blown off. Now, again, you're Miley's Lovary. That's me playing when I know I will never play online.
Like, I'm never going to go PvP with this thing. And that's only half of the island, right? It's like, you're playing that single-play experience, but the island is built off of a ranked competitive situation because like, clear as day, it says, hey, rank up. We want to see that rank underneath your name every time you turn on the island.
So it's like, I can tell you right now, every time I jump on the island, everyone is 90 and above because they had the super edition, they spent that VC, and no matter what, you're about to bang into Mike, who's 94 overall and he's going to blow your doors off. A while ago, I was like, I tried it last night. I got a level two overall 100 beat my doors off. And so, yeah, that's the wild part is we talk about the single-player side of things, but also on the competitive multiplayer, whatever you want to call it, right?
There's four match modes that you can choose from. So you go to the different locations on there, which there should just be a press start and instant matchmake for all four. But no, you have to run slowly to each location, queue up for that one and only match, right? So Undertaker has Hell in the Cell, Rey Mysterio has a ladder match, Cody Rhodes has a normal match, Asuka, the Arcade Tomorrow has extreme rules.
So you run over there nice and slow. Again, run is being nice. You are not running. You are very fucking slow.
You queue up for it and you wait, right? And so the big deal here is if you're on the early edition like me, at night, you'll get matches fairly regularly, but it's still a little bit of a waiting time. This morning when I'm queuing up, oh my God, I'll never find a match, right? Because you're queuing into this one specific game mode within this larger experience, right?
And so there's so much going on. And then of course, when you get in, it's still 2K online. I've never played an NBA 2K game where it felt like the real just play now version by yourself. You're always in quick stand.
It's always just a little slow. They're buying VCs that get up into the 90s and 100s. Am I just fighting people that are 74 to 80 area? I'm going to stop you for one second.
Barrett, give me the one. Yeah. Everybody, it's me, Greg Miller. Many of you have known me for many, many years.
You've seen me review wrestling games my entire career. I'm begging, begging, begging. Everyone who buys WWE 2K25 and tries the island, do not spend money to upgrade your character. I know it's a losing battle.
I know the majority of people are like, the whales will do it, but don't. Because this will be the death of my rise. This will be the death of a normal single player. This will be, like right now, we're sitting here on 24 is the best.
This is better, but it's got this. Next year is going to be the year where we're like, well, they took away my rise, and now it's all inside the fucking island or whatever they're calling it, and it's completely fucking behavior. Don't do it. Don't do it, Mike.
You're going to be saying this. We're going to talk about the future in just a moment. But yeah, that is the landscape of the island right now. It's this fun theme park with different areas that are very well done.
A really waxed story that feels like it was created by AI, but it has fun single player moments in it that you're just going to, I shouldn't say moments. It's just a regular match, just different themes to it. So it's not really that special. Here's my problem.
You keep saying, you know, a really fun theme park or whatever, right? And I don't agree. I think it's well-designed, and they put love and care to it. But the running in slow motion to get there, to go into the arcade of tomorrow, load screen, I'm in the arcade of tomorrow, walk to woods, talk to woods.
Woods says, go talk to Dakota and Johnny. They're outside the arcade of tomorrow. Walk to the thing, load. I'm outside, I talk to them.
They say, go talk to woods. I go back and I talk to woods. I finish the match. I'm still standing there like talk to woods again.
I'm like, what the fuck? This is the part that I was struggling with last night where it's like, I don't mind silly nonsense. I don't mind, like when you buy a wrestling game, in my opinion, to wrestle, right? So they are giving you more reasons to wrestle, which again, if you wanted to dial it back to me being wrestling obsessed in high school and having my N64 and having SmackDown where I would be in class, drawing up my own pay-per-views and I would then go home, play those matches, but it wasn't in a mode, it wasn't a thing.
It was all my head came in, right? I love that they're giving you reasons to do that, but there's bloat around it of walking over and talking, but it's like, I understand you don't want it just to be, even like AEW Fight Forever that I review, right? Where they had a very weird mode as well, where it was like, you know, you would travel and then you would go out to eat and that would give you a buff, but then little things could happen. It was like, I remember playing, like, this is wacky and weird, but okay, they're doing, like, this is just so half-baked of what I'm doing and like, I don't mind, I like having the matches to do it and I don't even hate, like, you're fighting Gunther and he's dressed like a space marine.
Like, I don't know, Gunther would never do this, I don't know why, but okay, whatever. But it's the, now run around really slow over there to talk to the guy in the hall of heroes. Well, that's to create this open-world quest-giver as you brought up experience, right? Once you beat that, you'll never do that again, right?
All of those quests are now gone. You will never see R2 pop up on your screen again. It is literally you and the fake NPCs that walk around the John Cena team. That guy in the whole room, sure, I see him everywhere.
Just so you know, like, yeah, that feels slow, but like, that reminds me of any other open-world game, right? Go talk to Susie, okay, cool, talk to Susie. Go over and talk to Ben over there. All right, go back and forth.
Like, they're making it their own. Go play them out. You see how fast that was for getting your quests. Oh my God, it's so boring running around some of these open-worlds.
But like, I'll argue with you on this. I'm not talking about NBA. That's the one reference I can't. when you're going from point A to point B you run into Objective C and Side Mission D and you go and do those if you want to here that doesn't happen the thought process would be to mimic the city in NBA 2K where you'd be running in and you'd see other people you'd see their crazy outfits you might stop for a park game or you might be running to the program they don't have any of those things here so there is no ring in the center of the island they have to queue up for that's what this is missing where you would run and go oh shit they're fighting in the center I should stand here or I should queue up and so yeah it's a drag to run back and forth right now they'll sell you a segue for $15 it'll go faster but I do agree with you Greg it sucks when you complete the story where you're supposed to run around the island and see all the cool points so now I have to run actively and run like you brought up the slow run to go to these spots to actually queue up for a match which sucks there should just be a cell phone where I press the button and just say queue up but then there would be no point of me running to the Undertaker's Church and all the time that they spent in making the church if I wasn't going to go to the Undertaker's Church it's a weird up and down thing of they clearly wanted to build a little mini open shared world they wanted this NPC story to have you run around like an open world video game they did that and yeah if you like it or not that's clearly what they're going for right the problem is the other side of NBA 2K has so much more because they've already built that over for 10 plus years right this is year one they're still figuring it all out and also on top of that I'm not doing it with my friends the whole draw of this was to do it with my friends and none of that is happening so that's why you feel isolated that's why it feels bogged down because it should be me a blessing running up to Xavier Woods and I go in the microphone and go what the fuck is this blessing and he just starts laughing right like that's what this whole experience should have been and it's not do you like the city in NBA 2K?
do I like running around the city? do you like the experience overall? yeah because it has pro-am it has streetball which I love it has some of the best game modes in NBA 2K for a single player experience or for a I create my one player and I can play on a team right like the coolest part about NBA 2K and pro-am is I am my point guard playing with four others in a 5v5 rec league style basketball game and that is the coolest game mode that NBA 2K has ever created right like on the flip side I can play two on two streetball against two other jabronis in a park that hundreds of people can watch that is a cool idea and experience now does it run well? absolutely not right is it bullshit that I show up and the kid that spent $150 is down $99 and I'm 78 and they blow my doors off every time of course that's boring and dumb but the idea of making this metaverse of my character running around and experiencing this is a cool and novel idea that I think really went far in that game style right the issue is wrestling is not that right wrestling is all fake not supposed to be competitive so you should be going for the 5 star matches but why would I do that when I'm just going to try to beat the brace off of you so like that's not happening it should be me and my friends tag team triple threat all of us should be in a fatal four way going against each other I don't get any of that so it takes away the fun experience that was the NBA city with my shared friends to now there's nothing of that but I like the city as well I'd rather run around and like experience things than just going queue up into a menu and never see anything right because that's your alternative is you can literally just play online the same exact experience like island and just say queue up and just see a menu that says waiting online waiting online like that's fine every game has done that for the past three decades but and that's where you fall into this thing where it's like again I want to talk about the VC of microtransactions right one of the super chats we got to start the entire thing was from demon hackers that island microtransactions rest in peace my rise in 2k26 but it's the idea of like just playing through the stuff and completing the storyline gives you custom items it gives you banners it gives you icons it's like okay I get that and that's cool I like that it is this misinterpretation or at least I think you miss on what the island should be where it would make more sense to me right if there were these sections and maybe it's a shared world for a hundred people private servers whatever you know what I mean where you enter in and there is the you're competing for the dead man belt so there's like a ladder system over here that's going on here is the tag team division warehouse where you and me are friends Mike and we go in there and it's like oh we gotta climb the ranks and do the thing here's the I mean they would never do this but the backyard wrestling you're wrestling in a yard so it's totally different they're like have you entered that then also have these storylines so it's like I understand more of what you're doing why is different and even then this is where of course 2k would throw me out of the goddamn conference room is I would have it be like alright we see in so many action RPGs right you're gonna come in here and you're all gonna get buffed to 98 or you're all gonna get set to 85 right and then we have there's a free form ring and championship over here of like go in and test your medal and it's whatever your character actually is but find ways around it where it is hey you go do this well that's the perfect that's the dream situation we're on baby step one right of like could we pass this off and get people interested that's where we need to be is right so that's the interesting one of like when I finish and I put out the tweet of like oh that was chapter one they're gonna probably bring out season two I expect season two to have tag teams right I expect them to build off of this and hopefully nail what that is it'll be very interesting to see starting this week and beyond what is the fan perspective of this and will this die on the vine sooner than later or will this be something they build off of because my character in the island does not go on to my rise so stupid I click on my rise my character's not there this is as bad as what two years ago when they were like oh here's my rise and your character that you have downloaded or whatever can't be imported here but you can import your character out last year we fixed it and so now all of a sudden I have just this isolated experience that doesn't share anything with this I put money into this I'm playing this but it's just this and it's very odd they're like it's not connected to my rise why is my character not there he should be there so I feel like oh that's cool all this stuff that I'm buying is just for me to slow walk around the island and show off to bring me up to speed on this this is something we have not touched on let's talk about blessings ready to go buy some air jordans so let's talk about the money because I know that's what a lot of you came here to talk about and so of course thank you to 2k we were provided with a super deluxe edition that comes with like 165,000 VC more VC than you need to level all the way up but I'll give you the not by much I was watching the number go up holy shit when you come onto the island I don't know what the number is I'll say 74 might be 82 but when you arrive on the island you can instantly level up your character if you would like to be level 100 on the island level up your character you will have to spend 161,000 VC which comes out to about $40 but they only sell in special increments so let's just call it $50 you have to spend $50 to level up instantly to 161 to make it 100 right there cosmetics range anywhere from 6,000 VC to 18,000 VC that's sitting at a price range of about $5 to $10 depending on how many purchases you make right those purchases shoes, pants, shirts, jackets, hats masks, tattoos, face paints right I mean there are a bunch of stores here and the biggest one that I am not okay with is the Islides Sandal Shop the Islides Sandal Shop is selling sandals that are $18,000 VC on the highest price range of any of these that's more than $5 real world money to buy sandals do not do this people who play this game do not buy this you deserve it you deserve what you get Becky and Seth's drip Emporium they range from $6,000 to $18,000 on jackets, shoes, glasses, shirts all of them atrocious none of them look good I can promise you that Ray's Mysterio's Mask Shop there's all $6,000 tattoos are $6,000 the barbershop to cut your hair is $9,000 they already have hairstyles in the game they have more tattoos than Real Ripley's Tattoo Shop so technically you can change your hair and put tattoos on for free but they sell you a small amount for an odd amount of money which is like why?
why are there 34 tattoo styles already in the game but I can buy 12 more over here why not? great question great answer right there that's that I'm arguing right like hey we're giving you a whole bunch of stuff for free and so the weird part is is none of this goes into any part of the other parts of the game right that's insane that none of this this is a ranked game mode it's about your ranking if you're not paying to win you're not gonna win if I'm level 100 and you're 82 you best believe you're not beating me in the ring you better be real good and so I do think there's a big pay to win situation that has to be discussed here since it's more on the competitive side and on top of that Greg you're not earning shit I walked out every single match and I think they gave me 150 VC after every single match because here's the catch bless you earn 150 but you earn XP and the rest of the stuff so if you get more stars on matches you complete challenges you get XP those XP's go to your battle pass which is a level of battle pass which gives you more name tiles sometimes more VC new t-shirt right so like none of it is making you enough money to justify its 18,000 VC eyeslides if it takes me a shit ton of games to get that much money I lost the words you were saying like somewhere in half of that statement you got like too many currencies in and the issue is I play NBA 2K I already know all this I've been through this it's not like it's not crazy it's not like stopping your tracks all of this seems on track actually it seems on the more lighter side if it's 6,000, 18,000 that's pretty minimal right there for a $5 t-shirt I know that's insane to say but on the microtransaction side they all seem a little less egregious and it was like okay but also when you look at the WWE t-shirt that you buy from R2 Streetwear you go ooh that's not worth 18,000 VC so this who's playing this mode? like you guys talk about don't spend money don't do that but like is there everything you guys are saying makes it sound like like kryptonite to anybody who wants to from anybody who's touching this thing right like I can't imagine it doesn't sound fun it doesn't sound well balanced it doesn't sound like the moment when the gameplay is there do you guys expect people to actually boot into this thing and play it? yeah I do really?
yeah I think you know when we talk about predatory tactics and you talk about gambling you talk about microtransactions inevitably somebody's always thinking of the children I do think this appeals to that like if you remember when Post here with Jack Wright we played Owen Hellbiver it was awesome Jack would just sit on the couch and play WWE he'd already played it at home obviously a million times he was just rolling new showcases and going through and remember my rise and one of the my rise storylines had to fight in a scorpion or whatever last year you know what I mean so the weird shit is already there so I think it would be the idea of go here oh I do the fortnite model of yeah I do want that when I was at Royal Rumble and I was walking around in Indianapolis but I was like I have never seen this much merch for one wrestler like the Yee-shirts Yee-shirts were fucking everywhere and I own two of them obviously but it was like I could easily see Jack booting into this spending a lot of time making a character running off getting the Paul Heyman video seeing the goofy thing of oh I'm gonna go fight Zero and this that and the other and not like back to what you said Mike right of like the writing is here right it's like bottom of the barrel of what they're doing to get you like he's not gonna care about that he's gonna run through it and it would be the well I wanna get a shirt I wanna get a slide I wanna get this and like does that domino effect out I don't know but it's like I don't know how he plays online either if that would be fun for him if that would be a thing and it is the I got my ass kicked and he's a hundred so now I do wanna spend on it like yeah people come to these modes for the shared experience right like what got me excited for the island was the idea that me my buddy Washington Kevin A-Sex we're all gonna jump into the island together and have this shared experience that I have in NBA 2K and unfortunately since it's not truly shared experience there's no reason to play this for me right and so I wonder if that wow factor will wear off very quickly where people will jump in play for 15 and go I'm good I can't play with my friends and bounce out I'm trying to figure out what the hook is here because I understand and agree with like so much what you guys are saying but even for kids I'm like if I'm if I'm thinking to like myself at my most vulnerable when it comes to you I'm gonna play anything right like I wanna let me buy the worst game and even play through that shit at the very least like even kids need some kind of carrot on the stick and it could be the expensive thing but if I want to if it costs real money or if the path to get there is too long and the journey there is just not fun because I'm getting my ass kicked by a bunch of level 100 because my dad got me the standard version so I'm a 65 right and I keep doing this and I'm like I'm just gonna play another mode aren't I I'm just gonna play I jump back to when I was a kid and again I'm playing every wrestling game under the sun and again the hundreds of hours I would sink into these things I would think that I would eventually end up playing this and I don't you know who knows whatever I don't think I would ever invest the money in it in terms of I need to be 100 I think it would just be I'll grind and play the single player stuff because do you ever have to play online you finish it once you finish the single play there's no more story but that's my thing is like they're gonna give you a new chapter that'll eventually be single player oh yeah so now you're playing a waiting game I think that kind of thing would bring me back because I'd be doing everything universe mode has been around for so long I don't know I'm not a universe mode expert by any stretch of the imagination how much new stuff's been added this year to make that more appealing I feel like everybody's gonna go touch this and I can see it being like I made a cool character so I want to keep doing stuff with him I don't know if you'd invest in it and do this yeah I mean that's what it's all about it's making that character and running around this little shared playground with your friends that's the selling pitch of these game modes it's like hey you made that character now run around with your friends that's what they want you to do here so it'll be interesting to see they have on a look they have it right the theme park look is a wrestler's paradise your own universal theme park that is wrestling just detail out you have game modes in there that you can play it's matchmaking your squad out your battle and go from there I just don't know it's an odd one because I have some things like well what is the future that's where we're at because I want to know what you think from the NBA way if this is going to succeed if it's going to affect everything because my fear is like this is the last time where we're able to be like this is ignore like every second of the reviews ignore the island and everything's great and it's better than ever and that's what it is my rise has been incorporated into whatever they call the island again and that's my thing is I think from the way we're talking about this right and what I'm hearing because for me the mind-blowing thing of this is man this can't be successful because I feel like for the amount of choices you have right now in 2k there's no reason to play this from how you guys are talking about it right you have to start forcing people yeah you have to start forcing people I looked at Roger as we were playing the game I think yesterday I was like this game is an embarrassing I barely even touched this mode it has to be the next year you have to figure out how to put my rise in it you got to figure out if you put my faction in that thing then it becomes a problem which people already have a problem with my faction has always been the ultimate team mode that people are like well hey you're buying packs to get things but it's random drops on that and even then you could not do it for a long time but your characters would be low and then they started to introduce Persona cards last year Persona cards being that when you get the solo Sokoa card of him in that black outfit the black blazer or whatever then that now unlocks that costume in the base game as well so people were starting to get that the whole thing is a slippery slope because again from an outside perspective we've seen how bad it's gone for NBA I mean for all these games with what they've done it's an interesting one of you bring up my rise right and so NBA I think it's a little bit easier to picture in my mind being a basketball kid of like what that looks like and how that kind of morphed into it we're talking about an NBA my player career mode they used to have Spike Lee on it they had Spike Lee make the series and it was bad still don't give me any credit they've made their own my rise in all these sports games where you start your character off at whatever level and go forward but the interesting one with NBA 2K in the city is you can picture yourself as a basketball player you have a penthouse loft that they give you with your own little basketball court they can have private little one-on-one and shooting sessions with your friends you can leave the basketball court run around the city buy stuff that will go you guys have to tell me on the WWE side is this a WWE training facility lifestyle where you have that because I can easily see us you buy everything in game that is for your matches and outside the matches on the island I can easily see a wrestling ring in the middle where you and your friends can battle in your apartment I can see them running around going to the different arenas battling online and then going to the team bus or whatever and going forward with the next match in whatever city I guess for your answer yes like that I think that's the inevitable future if they stick this mode because honestly as much as I hate what we have right here from the money-grubbing and how it's just not that great overall perspective like that actually sounds cool that actually makes sense like you figure the entire wrestling journey especially in my rise usually right as what I'm a kid I'm entering the performance center I'm working my way up now I'm on to NXT now I'm on you know I'm in a dark match now I'm opening things now I'm in a mid-card now I'm in a mid-adventure right so if you were to break it down where it was like we've unlocked ww city whatever the fuck you call it right it is like there are arenas tied to your level of like all right cool you come here and you are grinding out of this bingo all doing the thing and then okay now you can move on to work at high school amazing now you can move on to do the right and eventually you're in wrestling you're you're wrestling in the arenas or on raw you're at wrestlemania and to your point of you have a shitty apartment you're sharing with some other loser wrestler what's his name scott is what uh bear is one of the images the fucking guy who doesn't know anybody he's a crazy guy yeah kyle slickman kyle slickman you're living with kyle slickman in this one bedroom apartment right then all of a sudden you go to this then you get the i'm roman reigns and i have this penthouse that does have a ring where i can invite my friends over like that again i think if i'm just being honest sounds cool except for i bought the edition and i'm starting as in the i'm starting in the bingo hall at level 100 and i have to fight you at the euro level 20 and it's like you know that's when it all falls apart of course yeah it'll be very interesting to see the future of this right what is the reception for month one what do we hear from the feedback clearly the reviewers do not like this new game mode right me and greg i'll tell you i was a mixed bag i do not like this i had some fun times with just playing the matches but all in all this is not a good product this is not what it should have been uh in my mind and it'll be interesting to see where you build off of that what would you give what would you give the island on a kind of review scale yeah i'm uh i'm sitting right in the math to mediocre range here um i gave it some props i gave a lot of uh beat downs on that one i'm in the math to mediocre range so we'll go with a solid 4.5 for the uh the islands plenty of room for improvement they know what it should be i i think they i think they know what it should be but they didn't want to create that so they went with a more single-player focus video games in the wwe's you brought up greg and it just doesn't land right you have my rise focus on the single-player stuff there this is for a shared universe the wwe universe with your friends focus on that make it great a couple different super chats to get through over here before we let you go erk the imp says load screens on the island are terrible one minute load on ps5 pro just to view a shop then again to exit the shop welcome to the island that's how it goes uh true strike says the same scenarios you're describing from the island are actually selling me on this more than i should and they says also or they say also thanks for cheers greg alia that's in my monster hunter thing alia finished their little thing today so i cheated on my monster hunter now don't worry about it uh andrew brown says will greg admit that will osprey is the best wrestler in the world no the best in the world of course is cm punk come on it's right there in front of your face uh and zombies 8 keegan says i'm bored at work just want to make someone say beep boop boop out loud i'm a simple man happy to be there for you uh blessed i assume you're going to boot this up right away oh yeah i'm hopping to the phone immediately talk to me then from the wide picture of i was very happy with you all the time of course but last year when you come in like oh so funny 20k 24 i booted up last time i did this do you see that again with 25 are you doing a universe are you doing a just my back i think i'm just doing my fashion it's a lucky thing where 2k the ww2k games always come out at a busy time they're always march and march just happens in the last time many years to be always a busy time so it's funny because i think it was game test or maybe after game test something where um we're like okay cool let's play wwe for the rest of the day so we can talk about it today and i boot up wwe i start playing it and then like probably 30 minutes to be playing it i get a code from you where i'm like oh i want to play this game actually yeah even with that i finished up what i was doing i let um the code you sent me install and as it was downloading i hopped into my fashion uh like a roguelite mode uh the fashion wars thing and play through and got far enough where i was like i'm having way too much fun with this thing so i think i'm gonna continue to do that i'm like more into wrestling now than i have been in the last like decade probably right so i'm i'm in it i want to play it as jacob 2 and get that card you know i'm right now i have the action figure roman reigns i want to get the actual roman reigns actually i don't really like looking at the action figures um and so yeah i'm all the way in it i've never really been my rise person i've tried it and i don't like how bad the acting is a lot of times i'm not just like the overall experience can be of my rise i do love to hop in an exhibition so i might do that um i want to play through more of the showcase mode because i like paul hayman i like how to present and i want to experience the full bloodline story i don't spoil how they started they started off the best way you possibly start off uh showcase for the bloodline um and yeah i think i'm definitely going to have this be more like a pop in for the next few months and have fun when i can michael you're just gonna still play wwe or no i will check out my rise uh there's a lot of love for my rise of course in the wwe community and uh experiencing the island and having the small fun moments i should go check out my rise i will definitely put on the big 30 man 30 man royal rumble with all the crazy uh user-generated content from spider-man to winnie the pooh so i'm looking forward to that kind of shenanigans uh blessing bringing up the awesome highlighted mode of the bloodlines i really loved what they did last year with wrestlemania and so yeah i should probably check it out because i really enjoy the storytelling the story moments that we have with all these games so yeah i'll probably check that out wwe you got me more than i usually am so that's a positive uh two things you went to create the creation suite downloading winnie the pooh and everything else a shout out to olive party who's already uploaded gruesome greggy and nick scarpino out there i'm sorry johnny ace greg miller johnny ace are up there um kfw tag i assume he'll continue to do the rest and also as much as we've slippery slope all this stuff one of the things i appreciate about the island uh from a very greg nerdy thing is that they put all the island trophies on a dlc thing i mean if you wanted a platinum wwe2k25 you would never have to touch the island that's nice but also they're not hard uh the island ones i have three or five right now just from tinkering around i need to imagine i need to compete in a pvp match so again not terrible uh but ladies gentlemen and envies what do you think of the one the only wwe2k25 island sound off the comments so we know and of course keep on coming back remember each and every weekday we have so many live talk shows for you to hang out and watch oh you already got games daily now you got the games cast up next is our screencast about daredevil episode three and of course the nick nuzlocke continues for now though we'll say goodbye remember if you like what you saw here membership youtube.com 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