Every day without fail like where I live I don't know what it is But I have to hose the front yard or the backyard or whatever And every time I hose the hose makes a rainbow from a certain angle. Yeah, so I just sit there looking at the rainbow thinking I make rainbows. How bad can it be? I Did a lot of stuff today, and I forgot to put shoes on and I have a special guest This is my good friend Selema masa Kayla.
What's your middle name? Selamma? Mabana, Mabana. You're a lemon a masa Kayla.
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Well now I can hear you Yeah, so that will be adjusted that was great. That was a great open. Yeah I love that you didn't tell me that any of that was gonna happen. Yeah, it's crazy because usually I would tell the guests But I was like and I'm blessed with some smoke.
Yeah, thank you. Yeah, yes Is there is the smoke machine flavored? No, it just smells bad. I know I haven't figured that out yet No, I felt like maybe they could be a it got better like a blackberry.
Yeah. Oh, wow miles. Yeah get on that Okay, get on it miles. Yeah, I literally just want you to know the only reason why I came.
Yeah, it was to abuse miles Right. No, that's how we get like you. But I like you. No, no Tony Hawk Sun is on the show That's you are acquainted.
I take it. I've known I've known miles since he resided in womb. Yeah, yeah, we've known miles since he got here Yeah, we've known him since he got here. He's been a long way since you were a fetus I'll say that right he has he's been in the scene man He's like I was watching Muhammad Ali today, and he was like I met him I got a signed glove and I keep forgetting that miles is miles because I was like wait, what are you talking about?
Oh, yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get how you would have been at Muhammad Ali's birthday party. He's already an entrepreneur The second you laid it I mean exactly because your mom might be listening. No, his mom is what she's the only person that Subscribe to my patreon living off of the horse.
I'm living off Tony I can't do the podcast and it's like I guess I'll keep listening to your other podcast if you know Tony Hawk and then Patreon is his mom's paying for it. Well, you know, I used to work with his mom at trans role. We used to wait What she was at trans well. Yeah, we she was an editor.
I should have I got a big jagged heart so we we started something called the Like we started a video magazine gentle decided they want to compete with 401 1 1 1 4 1 People that don't know for a lot was a video magazine. Yeah, it's the first of its kind in skateboarding. It was it was It's talking about like the adjust tapes. Yeah, yeah, and every time it came out early.
It is everybody got it Yeah, everybody watched it in skateboarding like whatever if you had a pro spotlight I had a pro spotlight and was like you're on the map Jason because you've got a 4011 pro spotlight That makes perfect sense before the internet it was YouTube. Yeah, right? It's video parts and you had the built-in distribution of skate shops I'm all caught up. Yeah, so instead of like Michael's hardcore.
He's been in the game for a while Yeah, you know say some of your favorite skaters Michael Jason Alice Special name Let me see Carobeth Burnside Deep cuts he's gonna say here in costume and see that coming. Yeah, we went straight to like Tom He'll go crazy. Yeah, so Miles mom. So transel said we're gonna build a studio.
I could have done that for another half I could do it. We could do it. I know you're here Translates that we're building the studio and we're gonna do it and then they hired this guy who was to produce it who was horrible doing a winner and I was like the Assistant and I hated the guy and like you got to get someone here you can do what you can do in any way They had to happen Kathy and Maddie and that changed the whole deal made it successful and that's way together with a we're working as a team. Yeah, yeah Yeah, did you know that miles?
Yeah? You never know I was there for the birth of it the birth of the birth of the birth of him my son text me the other day and goes Are you hosted x games? Yeah, and then the other day like three weeks before that go text my daughter Did you interview little Wayne? Yeah, and that's my pet on the back that was translation.
Maybe we'll keep you you're all right for a dad. You're kind of good Yeah, we might keep you fit. No, that's awesome Just okay cuz I saw the video of you talking to him, but I just want to say did you do that and I was like yeah Did you do that? It's like a credibility college fund.
That's the way that I look at it. I know that my son He's still thinks I'm cool, but that's I'm on total borrowed time there But I'm banking these things because I've never heard somebody who was like 45 that was too cool for I don't know if you ever too cool For your dad's a conscience or unimpressed by them at a certain point. Yeah, you're like you're like you go Whoa, that's a really good question for you Was there ever a time where your dad wasn't cool for being in a amazing musician was there every time you're like man Musicians never you always yeah, my dad was always the only time that my dad wasn't cool was when he was like in the worst of his addiction Right, but still he had that but he was cool right? I was at my relationship with him was weird because I was like I hope he makes it But then I would meet people maybe like hear me last name and like your dad changed my life and I think yeah, that's right Yeah, but he's not helping you right now.
Yeah, but but he was my dad was never not but he never had to convince me He was cool like everywhere. I went but I'm saying like things that he did for a living like go to do a concert I never was I never went to a show or anything was like when do we get out of here? No, it was always the greatest day. Okay to watch my dad do his thing Okay, cuz I feel like man this x-game thing like yesterday I know this is not out.
It'll be out after it, but I did mega ramp yesterday mega park, but The way that I was treated when I got there I just kept thinking of you because it's not the same and it's to me I'm still me and I'm walking in thinking I'm sorry you guys. You know me like I'm coming in like hey look The guy that you hang out with it seems like nothing's changed You know me like it's still you go here and the thing and the guy he's gonna talk to you and I'm like yeah Yeah, I remember I remember this but everyone's really nice to me and I was like I feel like I don't remember that I feel like maybe it was more of a kind of a vibe that I got from everybody like oh I guess if he's here go over there and do that and go over here and do this and it was more you know like someone asked me I got confused yesterday someone said Jason I need to talk to you for a second. I was like oh god What did I do? Yeah, that's where I go and it's like we were thinking of having a girl come on Just just for a few seconds just to talk with you with that be okay And I was like to do what do you mean and he was like not to like to like host with you and I was like oh yeah Why are you asking me like I was like you're Mr.
Jason That's why I was talking to miles about it this morning before you got here about when you you get treated a certain way And you see people treat you like you're special miles had a meaner way of putting it But mine was my version is you get treated special to the point where you think you're special Mm-hmm. He was like you people get think they're cool And then they start dressing cool and I said it's not so much that that you're trying to be cool It's more you get treated special and you don't pay attention to the real world anymore You stay in the smoke of the of the special so then you believe that you're special and that you would make any sense If you didn't have special pants on you lose the plot a little bit Yeah, a little bit scales of it, but yeah, but even I think every because you've always been pretty grounded with it They're like sure we were younger it was a night times where we were like we're shit hot right now and we're gonna I mean we were pulling up to the strip club in a bus with Tony Hawk's this is a small pocket Like everybody is I'm I used to be offended a little bit that he was in it because I knew 35 other guys that will That because it's not there's never been I don't know if there's ever been a skateboard tour That's because I'm saying skateboard is a bigger now this bigger money, but there's never been a tour where rolling stones It was like you were in it was like you were in corn in the 90s like the bus was the best bus everywhere We went was the best place and we went to dinner It was like a nice place with all of this and people were like they're here take everything that we have yeah Security for Tony like it was my first experience where we had a big guy that stood around near Tony and I was like Why do you need and then watched and then I watched a club? I stopped drinking. I'll never forget it I am a blackout drinker especially on that tour and I watched girls like Tony and boyfriends get jealous and start drinking Looking at his head and me knowing from fights in my life that all these guys are contemplating fighting Tony right now Like seven guys in the club now and they're getting drunk here and I'm like I'm putting my drink down We're having a fight like we're we're fighting to get to the bus is what I was thinking a few times And I like got in there and got the security guide I was like hey man like we all need to go you know like you may or may not have had to fight to get to the bus a couple Times but it was yeah, it was a it was a rolling stones man.
It was it was it was next level. We were very fortunate Very very good. Isn't that went to Europe like we were on we're in Europe I think Jason's right as somebody who's a total interloper in the action sports world It's been a bunch of x games and stuff I have found some pro skateboarders a little you could tell there was a facade there you could tell there was some of our kind of Deal with I never got that off of you. Were you just better at hiding it?
Yeah, I Just I think I think I had the benefit of having grown up with my dad and seeing showbiz at the highest level I was a roadie on on Paul Simon's baseline told when I was 15 years old you were my dad took me out of school And I went on the road for like three and a half four months through Australia and Europe as a roadie like basically almost famous So I knew the landscape of what it was and so I wasn't I wasn't affected by it like whoa I was like can't believe this is happening here like in our world But I know what this is and I think that gave me a bit a little bit of an ability to to navigate it without completely losing it It's so good I was actually wondering this morning what your dad thought about the Graceland album And I didn't expect to have an opportunity to ask I gather he was okay But because it was the whole thing at the time of Paul Simon working with South African Musicians and you watch the documentary the there's a great documentary about Graceland My father made it possible for Paul Simon to get into South Africa to make the record right so you know My dad connected him through back channels the South African government didn't know that Paul was there and He connected him with those musicians so they could make the album and then Paul's whole motivation was to raise awareness about South Africa Through the magic of this music that people had never heard before and then be like hey by the way There's a crazy racist apartheid Regime that has been suppressing these people don't you want to do something about it? And because my dad was a political exile and couldn't go into the country He said to to my father not only are you gonna be on the poor but you're a headliner So it was like it was Paul Simon humasicella ladies McBlackmon Baso and Mira McCable and every stop like he wasn't just the Paul Simon grace on tour he made sure that it was about showcasing the South African artists and musicians and He basically used his privilege to help create this movement one of the biggest tours in the world in a obviously multiple Grammy winning album that really changed the awareness of how people saw South Africa and Part that that's so great to hear because I love that album and there was obviously a right in the wrong way for a guy like Paul Simon to Wait into you know, I mean now we talk about cultural appropriation Yeah, I'm afraid that got thrown around back then that's the right way to it. You want to call it culturally appropriate That's great. I'm glad to hear that no problem I'm glad to be able to clear that up.
I gotta switch back cuz I felt like I said something insulting I said that I felt like there were other skateboarders that didn't get they're never gonna get on that bus and And anybody who paid the dues that I paid that didn't get on there I felt like they got ripped off But I'm not saying that they wouldn't have brought something to the table that was important But what you have done in your career for skateboarding and action sports at more So I know now because of how I'm thinking about my shot at X Games and what I what I should do What is what is important for me to do here is try to make skateboarding look good and make people like skateboarding more And you did that for decades in in a in a way harsher environment that were that were very unforgiving and everybody loved you And you and you and it wasn't like an overnight wasn't overpass You had to pay massive amounts of dues while also carrying because nobody else could do it nobody else could talk I talked with Jimmy yesterday and was like this guy without him. It's this gonna be a bad show, you know, like Yeah, the guy that holds no the answer. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. What's his last name? Uh, Jimmy Coleman. Yeah, he's amazing.
Yeah, but it was just you know, it's just like Tully does on the show on this show There's things where I go man. That was that's important, you know, like I'm good at what I do But that was important and you did you did that through a lot of errors. Thanks, man. I appreciate it It was a really it was needed.
I'd be around that I don't think people within the skateboarding community Realized what I was having to navigate and learn to deal with it behind the scenes with the crazy corporate Yeah, she don't we didn't do it. So why would we think about it? Yeah, any other hand you were completely thinking about everything that we were going through Totally. I was there I don't think people realized at the time that I was there with the intention of how can I how can I just elevate us?
Yeah, some people thought we're like well who the F are you? Yeah, and I was like I don't have time to explain No, I'm trying to do this thing. No, I can understood it from both angles and now bigger picture How much how important you were to the it's and still are to it like thanks the opinion of everybody Yesterday about you, you know, you run this shit dude. I think they're like, you know him, right?
Right You know when you see the number of ways action sports is I can't give a better example of the way things can be misrepresented and just Cheezed up. Yeah, that's a really good expression Cheezed up that's once again as somebody who has been fairly immersed in this world on an offer a very long time now without ever It really being a core part of my life I think I have a very good objective but informed opinion on this stuff and it's just embarrassing the number of network TV Shows or networks that have been launched where it's like, well, we just talk about skateboarding It's like well, is it a sport? Is it an art form? Is it do we talk about it like music?
There's so many ways that it can go wrong and I feel like we've seen just about all of it this Yeah, and that's what I think what makes this this time so interesting and I was on the drive here being like, holy shit You can do it. Okay, I can say that 20 20 years 20 something years from when we started them. I haven't been at X Games in 10 and now we're coming back and The what you mentioned about lifestyle and culture and art I think we're at a very interesting and pivotal time where the stewards of the culture the people who've been there since the beginning and who Would like things to remain what they were or having to deal with the fact that like yeah, you're You can hold on to and remind people of how we got here But it's also our time to allow this next generation to to show us what it is today And so for me like even coming in as as the host this time around that's the story that I want to tell more than anything It's like you see this person here Here they started that this kids at this person's age But there was just one of them now There's like seven eight kids in a field that are like between the ages of like 12 and 16 17 years old that are like World-class and they come from like the most remote places of the world and it's they're ninjas yesterday I'm standing on the mic A safer Ontario means more police and prosecutors making sure my car doesn't get stolen It means building new jails to keep criminals behind bars and it means there's no need to worry when I play at the park We're making every corner of Ontario safer to make all of Ontario safer. That's how we protect Ontario for all of us Learn how at Ontario.ca slash safer Ontario pay for by the government of Ontario Tom Shah, I know who he's an amazing skateboarder.
He knows me. I know him. Don't know how well He's on the deck standing next to me yesterday, and I was like you feeling good He's like you feel good. I'm trying to like talk to him I understand what he's like what he's trying to make or whatever see if he's gonna win and he goes you ever jumped a mega ramp Really do and he's like yeah, and I go I was the second person that ever jumped this dude Right if it wasn't for me, you know push down mega ramp top you wouldn't be here And then I told him I made him and then michy Bruce go walk by and I said michy Bruce go who made Tom Shah?
And michy Bruce go look confusingly at my face. Well you yeah, thank you Just did I did I went back to my cheat sheet to look at the athletes again, and I look at his age and I go He's 23 He started jumping that when I jumped it. He was three. Yeah.
Yeah, then he that's why he doesn't know I jumped it Yeah, but then but then I really there's a guy on the ramp. That's 14. Yes. He does nine hundreds And he doesn't know that Tom Shah was jumping it when he was 12.
Yeah, yeah, then I saw that I was like yeah Yeah, it's right I ended when he got on like right there like a two-year gap I think maybe not even that maybe one year yeah That is the question that would make you like the most flustered or just statement is like have you ever jumped the mega ramp? Have you ever done the loo? Well, no because I know I'm old so and I know skateboarding evolves quickly So I wasn't insulted I don't I don't I'm lucky to be there You know like I don't whatever chances I had it being like really good I drank it and and you don't know and I don't know for sure because I didn't undrink it so there's no real answer there It's just how good was I I was pretty good. I had a great career.
I did some heavy shit And I'm happy with what I did but am I you know Danny involved and lucky. I'm not that's fine. Yeah, you're Jason I was a piece we talked about the other day There was a guy on my team that used to do my tricks and I hated it at the time and then 20 years down the road I thought about it I was like he's doing those tricks because he thought you were doing them in a cool way And then that guy got better than you and he started doing some of your tricks in contests And then everybody started doing it. He I helped raise the bar.
Mm-hmm. That's it. I can ask for that I don't want anything. I got what I wanted.
I remember when I first helped you get on ex games as a broadcaster It's a pleasure heart you're really trying to help I'm a sideline reporter and I said no we need Jason down they'll compete in this one event and then he'll do sideline and I knew I always knew Jason's potential in front of the camera and as I thought he was a dynamic human being That I ever met I didn't know maybe all of the things that he was going through But I just was like I got this guy's back and I remember how at the time how you were like wait What why he'd be holding the microphone? Why why are you talking to me and that would be the in his ear and You know trying to like in the frustration that you get with being on my TV and they didn't he just threw him in like I got trained I got to actually learn how to do it He got thrown into the fire and it was a court You know you're dealing with like top brass at Disney and he didn't he wasn't able to just to stay the course But he never would have never would have figured out a way that wasn't he wasn't it was too constraining a thing for you Yeah, so to be able to be now here. We are literally like 15 years later No She's 20 years 20 years later and you are now like literally like a master of media and a master of storytelling and you've built your own platforms it's now that you and I are gonna go sit together and do this thing together I my You just I don't even understand but I'm I'm so grateful that you're still here that you're continuing to inspire through Through everything that life in the universe throws at you and that we're gonna go and show up and do this thing It's like we got wisdom now. Yeah, we're pat back to this Was it when you split there was no acrimony?
Okay, when I when I left x games in 2013 is because I saw the handwriting on the wall that ESPN was no longer interested in investing in the sport and investing in the culture and so I saw that While they were interested in doing more events. They were doing like this global x game thing There was no purpose to it. There was no championship to it and I could see like oh, this isn't out for me I was like there they've sold advertising against this thing So they're gonna go and blow it out literally until the wheels come off But I also knew that the advertisers weren't gonna want to spend money on something that didn't wasn't successful again and All of the x games at the time each time we'd come in like hey, so great job last time now We're gonna do it this way with less cameras and this slow mo that we had before and basically do the same thing for less money And you could feel it shrinking in on the events you could feel it's drinking in on the athletes and at the time I had a my my contract was up and I was trying to make a long-term deal and I just kind of got the sense that like I Was here before and into this before x games x games became a vehicle for me to stay close to and continue my path and working in action sports culture But I didn't need it like it wasn't a definition of me And it was right there at this thing where like if you stay for another five years like and you're unhappy Like you don't want there's nothing worse than being at a job that you got a chip on your shoulder about and it wasn't like they were gonna pay me bad money But they weren't paying me enough to forget what was happening around me and so I did something that I thought I'd never do because I've used to just getting fired like a real person I left and everyone thought I was crazy not everybody thanks a lot of There was yeah sure yeah, I heard that too But I was also like because I I was barely watching but I knew why I was barely watching because it wasn't worth fucking watching anymore Sorry, but it wasn't and that's what happens man. It's pretty it was everybody knew there was in the know so yeah staying around to you know and and it seems that it took an even worse turn but I think Hopefully even if it doesn't keep going and turning to a giant thing It's a Cinderella story this one that everyone's there and everybody's opinion of how they're gonna present this to the masses is You know, they've got such a bad taste in their mouth from and I'm looking I'm talking about I didn't even watch it I'm just telling you what everybody there is their opinion of what they happened last year is so foul that they're like get Jason Ellis to do it That's how bad it was they're like, you know what screw it Just try that because that sounds ridiculous But it's not as bad as having tick-tock football guys talk for an hour Well skateboarding is happening just the most disrespectful thing you could ever think could ever happen action sports apparently was happening So this one is like everybody in it is it's just way more invested like that if you were if you were phoneing it in I'm not getting any money from this like if you were phone in next to me I'll check you like and I don't know it's getting I don't get more money if this does well I'll be like hey, do you do not because if you're not into it dude I can do this whole thing by myself.
Yeah, cuz everybody that is gonna be on camera better Be trying to do something here skateboarding BMX and like talking to him give it something don't be like man I don't really care and it seems like everybody's on board with that. Yeah I think I think there's an excitement and an energy for this one a it's come it's back in California Yeah, which is that the heyday of the old days of of Staples Center Was I mean that's the stuff of lore and legend and then it left and it was in the Midwest and nothing against the Midwest But I think it and then it was in people's backyards and now it's coming full circle where we're gonna have a live event with crowds Since the first time since before COVID and then it's happening in in Southern California in Ventura Which obviously has massive roots in the culture. It feels like a an opportunity at a new chapter Hey next time drive the store and you're going to buy some water You could go to the section where they have the super overpriced stuff from France Or you can go to the section where they sell you tap water and put a brand name on it or you can go where we go the cool section That's where they sell liquid death. Yeah, seventh greatest skateboarder in the world How cool is that guess what water I drink liquid death you're asking about tea.
I could hear it They've got that too take it from the five billion and seventh greatest gateboarder in the world It's so refreshing and alpine fresh. Don't give up Michael liquid death has a code. So the So then it's even cheaper and still incredibly cool. Yep, they even cooler because it's connected to such as the athletes That's what's up with my yeah, yeah, whatever ranking you are You could you'll be cool and you'll be you'll have extra money in your pocket Whatever your style is flat bubbly theliciously lightly flavored or one of their new iced tea varieties You could find liquid death's healthy beverages on Amazon or out of retailer near you and Jason Ellis Oh, there's a 21st.
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I think it's an inspired choice people sleep on the internet It's a perfect place for this I did get a DM from a ventura local. Oh, yeah, let me know that we don't want this bro Dude, okay, okay, there's some and I say this I he could have gone surfing There was so many other things he could have done besides that and I just was like oh man I was just sending a shock. I do there are elements and there are elements in Ventura and I say bring it here like come on One day, I love venturates on my favorite little like hidden gems going up the 101 But we were my wife and I like just totally got into it as soon as we found that place We're walking around the neighborhood and we went to some guy was having a very impromptu garage sale But that way he needed to move some stuff fast I don't know why he did it fast cash, but he did and we're just making small talking he goes where you guys from we said LA He goes vibe into LA now Vince are a one hour People who call it vintucky right and I was like oh yeah, LA's cool But to be honest and try to not be like the big time douche from out of town I'm like we actually just discovered this down. We love it here and he goes this place is stupid Right, yeah, but he lives there.
He lives there. He's not leaving I happen to disagree with that. I love it. It's a great time to the fairplex I've had I love into her in the winter time.
I surf up There's all sorts of little nooks and crannies that I go surfing it up there, but yeah I'm pretty sure this guy was a surfer right? Really's like you you of all people are gonna come help What's that tell them a lawyer brothers that yeah, they got there yeah, that was right what I just said I was right the boy brothers. I know so talk what's up. They get barreled.
I mean battle soon Are you still a surfer now that you move to the valley? No worse than ever But I'm going to Kelly Slater's thing with Tony and I'm yeah, I'm getting barreled on the 30s I'm getting barrel what what miles what it's like what do you muttering about it way heavier than we go? Yeah, but I saw a video of that big Hawaiian guy helper lady He's he's to he's oh sorry and you guys will best friends. Yeah, I mean we'll get you there He should have before I open my mouth.
You should have just said that but yes shut up miles It's basically what I'm trying to say. I'm for sure getting back. Let's go to the green room Does Tony watch yeah Michael does Tony watch this show? No, I was gonna say hey man like where's my invite?
Oh come on man Come on, Hawk. I heard that they put out a shark warning at what's the Kelly's what's the No, not a What's the nude beach that's also a surface black space? Yeah, there you go. Yep.
I've never been there What's your will yeah, I've ever surf there. Yeah, I'm a guy He just did laps with like the meanest half-chub ever and I was like dude stop trying to act like that's flasset Like I know what you're doing right now. He was shark finning. Yeah, yeah It was like this is what it looks like all the time and I'm like no it doesn't like somebody can have a semi in the ocean He was not he was walking with just these ankles in the water and he was making the half bone slap off each leg So he was like self-chubbing so he would like turn in regard to horizon and just a little shake together Yeah, yeah, it's trolling cut.
Yeah, I guess but it wasn't the title package. No, it was a nice Bone but it was the rest of it was pretty shocking news a half bone But that there's a canyon off of black speech that is like it's like shallow shallow shallow and then whoa like super super deep and so In that bay there there are big big fish that get to eat well in that area So yeah, did you always you always grown up? It was always like where are the places that you feel it to be sharky and blacks blacks La Jolla? You always feel it there you feel it, but you don't see it.
Yeah, you've never seen one right? Have I yeah, yeah in the water with you. Yeah, like a proper one like a great white no I saw a I was with Todd Richards in Fiji and no one knows who Todd Richards is Todd Richards former professionals nobody anyway, we were still nobody knows we were on a Nixon trip and We we slam over a massive make a shot a massive shock What do you mean you slam over it like it's swam under us while we're paddling and it looked like a small submarine through the reef You saw it we saw it and then did you go to the shore no? We had a paddle to the boats, but then you got out remember the place where we were yeah So we we high-tailed it to the it was Todd myself and Yaden nickel who's he's Australian and I'll never forget Yaden like paddling We were basically racing to see who could not be the one who died to get to the boat You see to go under you and you're like, okay, I mean it was huge.
I'd never seen anything that big yeah That's the only time someone in Mexico who pulled ahead who was ahead? Yeah, he came right and he's laughing laughing yeah, that's cool Cackling one of your legs off that would have been not cool. He would have felt bad. Yeah, I was ahead of Todd That's all the matter.
Wow. It's like you're not to be the fastest. It's what they say about zebra's too, right? Tasty too.
I was a shock. I would eat that I was like this guy's bony some nice white meat There was a video going around I think from Taiwan there's a big fish known as a I think it's an orfish It's known as the doomsday fish in Asian lore because supposedly it lives at the depths But it's alleged to come up closer to the surface when an earthquake is about to happen That's why it's called a doomsday fish But they found one that had swam up probably cuz it's about to die and it's like Swiss cheese holes in it from sharks Bama, you see there's old lady that she was like my husband stinks and she kept telling everybody her husband stinks and I was like We don't smell it and then like 12 years later. He got Old-timers or what else I'm sorry. I didn't go to school And then and then she goes to the meeting where people deal with fucking el timers I will not I don't care.
I don't get a school. That's the way my dad is doing this Let me finish. Yeah, let me finish this old-timer story So then she goes in the room with all these old-timers. Yeah, she's like all these these guys stink turns out She could smell old-timers.
No way. Yeah, so she can tell you whether you're gonna get it or not kind of like that dog in last of us In the last of you watched the last of us. What is that watch the last of us? Series HBO series is about zombies.
It's incredible. Yeah, you should watch it. Hey, it sounds fun. It's amazing.
But anyway Belgium, Alan, why can smell whether or not you have the disease. Oh, they'll make you a zombie. This is real I'd like to think of the world of that last of us is also potentially real. How do you do if there was a zombie apocalypse?
I did get get me pretty quickly. I think we get time which was first. Yeah, I think you know this is an important thing I think in any sort of the thing is about to be over feed it to the rich and we all just start people just start going crazy at each other I'm like, yeah, I'm not gonna be the last person standing. Yeah, you know, it's funny because everybody make those doomsday preppers They go to Idaho and they build like underground igloos and try to ride it out I've never heard of a doomsday prepper that was just like right so when shit goes down I've got like four days worth of awesome drugs and a bunch of movies I've been meaning to watch and I'm just gonna as soon as I know it's over I'm gonna have the greatest party with myself ever and I prepared because I'm not gonna be able to get heroin once the zombie apocalypse starts It's gonna be very anxious to try and get it that's for sure You may as well just have your party supplies for the end of the world.
Yeah, rager There's probably someone who has like an incredible like cooling system of just doomsday drug festival. Yeah, like stored up They're gonna they're gonna bother with it. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, it's those guys who have those There's like Vegas houses that are built like three stories I might be with you guys though on the not really trying to stay a long time because if you live a long time in a zombie apocalypse It's a pretty crappy day, right? Yeah, yeah They can't go out anymore. Do you want your last meal to be like a can of the little baby corn that you just run? A nice exit a nice meal and being able to crush something up into some wine and just don't wake up.
Right? Yeah, right? Duh, what do you think we're talking about? Well, a part of me wants to go out fighting But I don't want to be eaten alive.
That sounds pretty bad You just want to go wait wait wait you win I think I would do the you know they have the hand grenades And if you get bit then you pull the pins and you blow a bunch of them up and yourself. Yep There's actually that's a scene in the last of us right? That's a pretty good move you could have it both ways to get your party supplies and then you can go out on the street like fully Yes, you know there's always that scene and it's way better be eaten alive when you're ridiculous High like on some real yeah real Like a big fistful right in the face. Yeah, they just Said you do a montage look in the mirror go groovy and then you go yeah, yeah, you gotta have headphones on so you hear like your favorite songs I don't like the scorpions, but if there's ever been a time for like a hurricane.
Oh, yeah, that's crazy Cuz that's not my favorite song, but I think I could die to that right? I agree. Wow, that was a good that was a classic. Yeah, man.
That almost makes me want to turn out that songs good for something Yeah, who would have thought but that might zombie a couple of Apocalypse, okay, man. I mean all timers apocalypse. Yeah, that's all time They said there's a pill right the queue is it there was a breakthrough something that reduced the symptoms of people who have it by 30% They're functioning longer in bed. Oh, that's good.
See the headline says and I know somebody who my friend Jesse made Palu So her dad died from it So she's like an advocate and she does events and she follows the research very closely and there but other times where I thought they would break Through is that she threw some cold water on well, that's what they want you to think big form or whatever But she's like no, I don't know about that. She doesn't respond to my text But the headline this morning said possible turning point we may have seen wow the beginning of the end I also one of my best friends whose father I love is just beginning his wrestling match with it and we He's a director and we would hear a premiere for a film that he did in New York We're in New York for it to go support him and his dad was there and I know his dad for like 20 something years he supported us we had a production company together and We're in there and he's he's clear with me clear clear clear movie watch the movie and then afterwards everyone's coming up to Jason And it's awesome and then his dad just tapped me on the shoulder a certain point goes But Jason was Jason a part of that of the movie and Jason was he was like He was just in the ear shot and I watched him like have to like hear it and then like look away as he was talking to someone And I felt that in the entirety of my body And now I'm now I'm dealing with his dad to sort of alright Just like take a breath and I explain it to him like it's the first time and I watched him just get filled up with joy That all these people were there for his son But we had just had that conversation two hours ago And I'd never experienced it in real life before and then to see my my friend like like wince and then like have to like Take it like like a punch to the face and then just like pretend like everything's cool because whoo man I couldn't imagine so please yeah, let's get check check that one off the list. Yeah, I might need that chick to smell me You never know They're out there I mean there's other diseases for which I think like people have proven It's not just like an anecdotal thing like psychics or whatever like there's people who can walk around and line of people and smell them And yep, they got the they got the touch I've heard stories someone was telling me a story about the other day about a woman who was battling Battle breast cancer had a double mastectomy and then the cancer came back and her dog right was the first We just started acting crazy and like snipping her etc etc And that's what made her go in and sure enough the cancer come back I have the same gift I just realized I went to the Megraig yesterday and I looked at all the competitors in their eyes and I was like Eddie's gonna win I really you can smell fear. I saw it on his face.
Yeah, it there was one person there that was not playing around Everybody else was scared and he was angry Eddie had headphones on and he had shock eyes And I was like he's ready to attack. She can't flinch that and I told her Elliot And he was like oh man my dream pipe burst and I was like here. No, that's not good. That's not good You're you're thinking about plumbing.
Yeah, if you just told me 20 minutes about he's probably it we're we're about two hours away from beating I was like I said did you need to keep your phone to your girlfriend? You'd like seriously cut that out because it was a lot like what he told me it was a lot like it was a lot for us You know like I'm like wait You're competing and that happened like today that happened it was a lot You got hit with a bunch of dudes were like yeah I just fixed this and here's a bill for like a lot of money and then to other guys for a lot of like a lot of money Yeah, and his insurance wasn't covering it and I was like But you're gonna do 50 mile an hour over at the Megraig today. Yeah, no good to see you're in the same Yeah, right spot. You know check my deductible right and I'll hit that Yeah That's why I always don't you know like this kid that's 14 It's easy to do a 904 You know when your girlfriend never left you know, you don't even know what it's like to have your heart broken and like drink yourself The sleep you said that you don't even talk to you I think that was in the first book get a get a real drinking problem and then try to pull that off Yeah, that's impressive.
It's way harder even death is something that you've only seen on television at 14 for the most part Oh, I mean your relationship to it. I mean your relationship to it is like sure The reason why they're still like a smoking industry at all is because they're dependent on 12 13 14 year olds that like no They're gonna die some type of they don't they don't feel any connections Yeah, they feel as much connection to their 60 year old self as they feel to like their grandparents. Yeah They don't know they're gonna die yeah, and thanks to Google. There's all these medical, you know if you hit your head It's not good, you know like nobody I'm serious nobody said it's not good like I didn't know I hit my head and it was like Are you okay?
Am I okay? I was like I think I skate or even boxing like I got knocked out I hit I got hit and fell and hit my head on the outside of the ring post and knocked myself out Yeah, that's Rocky Bell and got up and the guy was like you're right. I think so when was that I was at wildcard It was like Jim yeah, yeah, I was fighting Gabe So you know 10 years ago But I got knocked out and this dude was complaining because I was bleeding on his white gloves and him and his coach were arguing because his Coach was like shut up and he's like just he was black ironing so he was calling me the M word He's like this and bombs bleeding on my gloves, and I was like you're beating me up You know me like I don't really have a angle on this you know me I'm like I'm still ready to fight you're winning and you're complaining about me bleeding like it must be tough And then I got knocked out hitting the post and then he and then my trainer was like you're right I was like I think so and he's like finished the round and then I fought the guy for like two more rounds until he Fliped out on his coach and his coach left so then the bloody glove guy left and then nobody else would fight me Yeah, but that was not that was because it was just you stepped on his shoes basically with your face Kind of like I don't remember doing well people had that day to I got beat up She's she was a bit that ESPN was doing jacked up on sports center for like the biggest NFL. Yeah, maybe 15 years ago When did we came out jacked up?
What was the Will Smith movie the seven pounds that was? About the brain about the doctor the Seven pounds was sorry. It was but yes, I know what you're talking about that was You realize the irony of a city. I'll try to remember the name of the Wasn't called concussion was it yes?
I never saw it. Yeah, you sure was a good seven pounds That's how much your brain weighs on now seven pounds is he like kills somebody cuz he's like driving or something And he wants to okay, sorry save all these it was literally on the nose called concussion look at that mouse Yeah, go miles. I sat that one out. I don't know.
It's like the same thing I should off Actually, no, it's a really interesting story, but like how how interested am I in a guy building a bomb? I'm interested in the writing. Yeah, I'll go see it. Yeah, and they shot it on those cool.
I'm acts whatever's Yeah, there it is. Well remember the name of my defense. I do have several concussions Congrats, yeah, I know it's not that cool anymore. It's it's really what's really crazy is that They're I remember in the early days of the X games if someone got knocked out on his first one on their first run Medical would come out and be taken away the crowd would start cheering and then we would say we'll have to wait and see if they'll be coming back For their second run and on to the next person and then if that person was on the ramp for their next run You'd be like alright.
He's he's coming back So we're gonna really really ramp this up and there he is gladiator and this is before we're having any conversations about my health Etc and sure enough like dudes would come back Yeah, I mean I'm talking sleeping like sleeping out out picked up Carried out I did it and come back if you came back and took your run It was like the Roman calls medical staff would say because they did it to me I got knocked out and shattered my wrist and I woke up my wrist is all exploded and they were like you're going in the ambulance And I'm like I got I got two more rides and they were like what and I was like I got two more rides Dude like you know I'm not going and they're like you have to sign this thing for us to let you go And I remember signing the thing and they just shipped their head and walked off and I duct tape my wrist Screaming under the ramp and I was like there you go It's held and then I jumped I was on the ramp pace and nobody said anything to me because I was Gray in the face from the the broken bones So I was you know like I was getting fainty and then no one said anything I didn't realize that I can't win the contest anymore half of my tricks are gone So as soon as I dropped in I started doing my tricks and realized everything you're gonna do is off your front hand So your telegraph 540 is gone So I did one five and then I did a lip slide and when I did a lip slide my hand went like that over the top of me And all the bones were all crushed because I I didn't know but I just my wrist turned 180 and broke all the bones in my hand And they thought it was dislocated so that when I went to that when I went that crushed I my knees gave out And I fell and I was like I'll go I'll go like I'm because the pain takes me away And then in the ambulance and then on morphine and then the little suck the sock metal socks with the weight and they're pushing on it And I'm high as a car on morphine so I don't care and then a nurse ran in it was like stop We've got the x-rays like it's not dislocated and that's when I got the I got sent to Santa Barbara to meet a special hand surgeon And then he gave me the fiberglass one after here and then I cut it off to the elbow Sure did and when in that Vegas contest slammed it and knocked the meat out of it And then the meats that are rotting in the cast and it woke me up in the middle of the night Or stinky and then I drove from Hollywood to Santa Barbara and that's when I've never had a doctor be more mean to me in my entire life He didn't say anything He was very mean he took me into the back room and he cut me and I told somebody the other day I told a doctor the story and he said that the blade wouldn't have cut your your skin And I'm like the blade cut my skin That's what happened. I remember when he ripped the car stuff I was like whoa you cut me open and then he pulled the the pin out because it had popped out That's why the meat was out But he yanked it out with the pliers and then said some stupid thing about doing any golf players I have come in here and I said no and he said none you idiot And I was at the time I was like it's not really that funny like I said he was trying to give you some life advice Yeah, and then he said I told you if you didn't take care of it you were gonna have permanent Effects from it Yeah, you're fine just look at you. Yeah, I just can't do handstands anymore, but He wouldn't have said that to Brent Farge. Well, but I probably wouldn't have done what I did.
I don't know about that There's a guy I Tried to go played in a Super Bowl with like a broken face or something. Okay like a broken army I'm not there and played yeah, he just didn't if it would have been a football guy. Yeah, he would have been like I'll give you a new leg. Yeah.
Yeah, okay. I'll take my leg off and put it on your arm But that was a different that was a different time different time different air. Yeah, so it's good now You know because it is still dangerous, but people are if you get knocked out. There's no way in hell.
You're taking back up We're not nobody's letting you know you can't do it in any sport anymore, which is which is great. Yeah, you know even with the fighting thing I know that there's a time there. I was like he's still slightly conscious I mean give him another chance and it's like the boy I all it took all it took was learning what your brain is not Once they were able to explain to us what your brain is not doing when you're in that state and that The man in which it's shaped it slammed up against the walls of your head and skull and what what it's doing a reset Everyone was like oh, I'll give you this serious one I've done this to somebody where I choke them out and they didn't know so when they woke up They wanted to fight again, so then I choked them enough to know that they're not they're getting choked They're not going to sleep yet They just know they're choking so then they don't want to fight anymore because they know that they're getting choked I've hit my head and woke up hit my head and woke up whatever I've hit my head later in life where I've gone and I've because I'll do these breasts to try and stay conscious and I feel myself going and there's a couple of times where I've been knocked out Where I've been somewhere dark somebody's choking me. It's not good It's a bad place and I need to get out of there and when I get out of there I'm pretty shook out because I was in a bad place.
I'm like whoa whatever that was was not good Not the last time but like maybe the third last time where it was like enough of a hit where I was starting to go to sleep again And I was like don't go don't go and I could feel That thing trying to take me and me not being able to make sense of anything anymore And I was like don't go there don't go there and then I was like oh Okay, okay, I'm on but just that it was like three or four seconds where I was like There's a place where you can go where you can't get yourself out like I could feel it Is that the place where for everyone else it looks like you just here? Yeah Yeah, baby, yeah, cuz I don't know what my face look like at that point But I know that I was I was on one knee right so I went to get I woke up and I was like I'm not well I saw somebody on my I know where I am and then I was like got on one knee and I was like whoa I'm like don't go don't go and I was like And then the little section there where I just was like I don't know who I am you know me like I'm gone That's the upside down. Yeah, and my eyes were still I could see the ground And I was like I'm not gone, but nobody was home, you know, I don't want that no No, which is why I'm not why I find anymore. So I only fight with microphones.
It's a good idea. I'm doing it. Yeah, welcome Yeah, thanks to be here And in books I wanted to ask about your your book the I guess my question is this I feel like there's certain commonalities Surfing culture everywhere what makes African surfing culture unique. Well, it's new.
Okay, it's like You know, there's presently Brazilian domination on the professional world tour of surfing A decade or so ago if I said you hey the Brazilians are gonna dominate high-performance surfing people would have been like Those cooks never bad style Their their idea of what the culture is isn't so calm and they'll just they'll never catch up and then they were showed up a group of them Like 2011 and we're like here. We'll take all this now Boosting those gigantic areas anyone has ever seen and just full dominance I think four or five of the last seven world titles Brazilian and so that I think is very much had to do with how Surfing sort of just marinated in their culture and the depth of their passion for things when they get a skill set in the way The community comes around and supports someone who's great at something It just it matured and grew in a different way than it did like in Orange County And so it has a different play and energy to it. You have 54 countries in and around Africa It's the largest continent on earth and it's got more surfable coastline than anyplace. No, yeah Yeah, yeah, people don't go there though, huh?
I gotta give you a book Yeah, people go say a lot of pictures in it lots of pictures. All right 330 pages most of it is pictures love pictures so for years and years and years when you watch a surf video about surfers primarily Australians or Southern Californians going on exploration to discover waves in Africa It was like we went through and went to the bush and does it a dirt and we found this wave and there was no one around and you're watching These guys were perfect waves and then they cut to like the native Africans like gancing around and cheering for them like they just came from the sky Sky people and and off we left and we left them a surfboard you know, you know, no with never the conversation of like what will surfing look like here one day and Especially like in places like it's an Africa where we talked about before about a part day Like black people weren't native indigenous Africans weren't allowed to go and surf couldn't go to quote unquote white beaches Where the shark nets were etc and surfing was just something you couldn't do so now It's you know within the last 15 years it started to take this route post apartheid South Africa right where native South African kids have now Showing this like crazy different flavor. That's particular to like their zulu or sutu of kolsa culture and like what surfing looks like You see it happening now in Mozambique and Ghana in Senegal These like incredibly talented kids and it's just it's a new experience And it's different all over the continent because it's fueled by the uniqueness of the diversity of these cultures Which when you you stop and you do really go into the history? These are people who have had a traditionally very long relationship with the water and being watermen and being fishermen and building craft To ride waves when I was in Ghana.
I was doing a boxing piece in 2014 I watched these fishermen like ride the craziest waves in these sick-ass canoes And they're just like navigating them like Hawaiians and he's boats like straight into the beach like six eight-foot shore break I'm like wait what and then you go back and you find out that the one of the earliest recorded Stories of explorers witnessing people riding waves was in the 17th century in Ghana like on surf craft But it's just a story that was never told right and so you always had this idea of like black people don't don't swim Don't surf etc and surely not it was never told storytelling wise that Africans were doing that It was a place that had the waves But the idea that African peoples were engaging in this and that this is a part of their culture Was just something that was never a narrative. So yeah, the the appra surf book Was basically the showcase like yes, we know the Polynesian stories of what surfing looks like and we obviously have the the Australian Southern Californian Um big narratives of what surf culture is but here's another End of surf culture that is growing and taking place that doesn't play by any of the existing rules And we saw what happened when everyone sort of ignored what happened in Brazil What's gonna happen? What's emerging and growing out of this culture and what's inspiring has it? Yeah, it's happening.
There's already like some amateurs coming up. Oh, yeah, there's like incredible talent It's it's it's beginning. Would you say waves are better there? Some of the best ways of ever surfing my life.
Oh sure. I mean the contest that's taking place in South Africa right now Jeffers Bay is like one of the best waves is it like a surf environment these days like is it a heavy surf environment or not really? What do you mean like like is it those waves that they packed because everyone's surfing in certain places? Yeah, but there's the the continent is definitely starting to emerge as a destination For people to want to go to and discover it because you know surfers love a new wave What about black people surfing in California?
Has that changed changing changing changing slowly? There's this kid named brick who started an incredible group called ebony ebony beach club Where he just he was a kid a music producer from Virginia. I met him a few years ago And he does these parties at talk while where like DJs out of the back of his truck. They've reached there Yeah, it's incredible EBC check it out ebony beach club In a place where like black and brown people anyone could come but like for black people to feel like oh we can come to the beach and just Be how we are and not have to feel like we got to fit in and we can get surf lessons And if somebody DJing out the back of the truck and there's stripper poles like let's go His end of fifth grade party right next to them.
Yeah, we were gone before the stripper post Well people don't strip, but you know what I mean? Like they just like they just yeah, they have a blast It's a workout And he's he's really helped to you know when I first started surfing when I moved to To carlsbad it was like I remember the first time I came down the beach with my surfboard and the kid From school literally being like not being afraid to tell me that like n words don't surf Like what are you doing here? And it wasn't it was far from the last time that I've experienced that You know and I remember feeling like well, maybe if I throw some literally I shit you not I remember like being like well, maybe if I throw some peroxide in my hair And it blonds out a little bit Maybe they won't give me as much shit And so I did Because you're like 17 and you just want to be accepted and you got more No, you just left that maybe even more But you know you can't take a no win But you're just trying to like well, what's it gonna take for you for this to be something that computes for you Yeah, but there's just so many more groups of kids now and A lot of it having to do with kids here who are unique in their spaces being able to find themselves in social media And be like, oh, we can create community Yeah, there's like this this group called textured waves that's like dedicated to black girls surfing And they're having an absolute blast so yeah, it's I just I'm so stoked now that I'm able to see Um these groups that didn't exist when I was coming up with kids are able to create community and feel like All right, if I see some reflection of people who look like me doing this thing, maybe I won't be so intimidated To go and do the thing that's supposed to be fun Yeah That's the part that I think is that people don't really realize something It may be fun to you, but no one's telling you that you're not No one's providing a barrier to the thing that's already dangerous that you're trying to convince me is fun Yeah, I mean surfing like that for everybody. I think it's changing a little bit, but I think it's intimidating to go to new skate spots It's intimidating to go to new gyms.
It's way more intimidating to go to a surf spot Yeah, because it's never there's never anyone there that goes. Oh, you don't know what you're doing. Welcome Yeah, let me tell you a little bit about how the gym works. It's more just like get out of here You so and so whatever they can come up with yeah where you definitely don't feel welcome for a long time Well, no one further before you go to the skate park you can go in your in front of your house or on a curb or you can do something You can hit a head and bag before you go to the boxing gym.
You can't practice surfing without the ocean Yeah, yeah, and you also don't know where there's a wave where there isn't anybody you only know where everybody you know where the people are Yeah, so it's I think the culture is slowly slowly starting to change and be open to being more accepting But for people who've been surfing a long time, they're just like well, I own this piece of ocean Now you guys are gonna be in there and it's like listen You can be mad maybe if people don't know the rules But the idea that you're gonna regulate who and who can't get in the ocean look as a person That's been a I was raised to be mean It ends here, you know, but I gotta I gotta throw your skateboard in the trash can for trying to drop in on me because that's how everybody did it to me I'm like, yeah, no, I don't you mean like I feel like maybe I've dealt with a lot of my problems and one of those was Or I was like if I'm angry at up and comers, that's energy that I don't have a lot of and I'm gonna burn out Like it seems like just health-wise How about I just like encourage skateboarders to skateboard instead of telling them that they suck and they'll never amount to anything like my P is the when I go skate the adult night in Santa Monica. It's donor. It's Pretty much girls that are running the scene. Yeah, and girl roller skaters.
Oh, yeah, and the They're like joy synergy that they all have with each other and support and cheering And then they're cheering you on and you want to and you can't help it be like hey, thanks Yeah, and it's it's such a different vibe from anything that I ever experienced in my life And it seems to be that that's kind of more where we're shifting towards The idea kick will be the other day. I high-five to 20 ago Congratulations, I can I have you for a good game. I just say let's get buddy these days where I was like, yeah I'm like wait, how old is this is awesome man, and everyone is very bubbly. It's a lot bubblier Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is which is that's why I was so surprised yesterday when I saw Eddie and I was like Yeah Somebody is at least one crazy one crazy My RF skateboarding this is totally yes my Jew anyone and then any eyes completely changed and he was super approachable And it was having a blast but make no mistake There was a couple hours they were and he was not looking at all to anybody and I was so pumped on it He was channeling is gonna do what I loved it.
It was great All right, I gotta go if anybody wants to see more cells probably gonna get tired because you know he's not a podcaster He's a professional you are a podcast you have a podcast. Yeah, but he's new I am new I am new but I That's not Do you like it I do like it right show is called what shapes us it's called what shapes us it's coming back actually I'm new episode drops on Thursday, but I just got a deal for it. So like yeah, I gotta show up But I also like I'm so blown away by folks like yourself who like I figured out how to like Like do this to the point where you eat from it Yeah, like the idea of a like a podcast has just been a hobby for me Like because I like to talk and I want to talk to people and then you know you get your agent and team being like you Like you actually can figure this people might come and show up for you So yeah, I'm gonna I am I learned from the best and I have a podcast but I'm not a podcaster yet Yeah, but it's talking but tune in what shapes us you'll be good. Thanks for the vote of confidence Yeah, I'm not worried about it.
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