Welcome back everybody. Hi, we're doing a show. This is going to be morning. Good morning We're doing a show that's called you chose poorly.
Okay, so your Paul. That's Mikey Lauren on the left if you're watching on YouTube Okay, I didn't know that that was my position. You're on the left on the video. I'm on the right.
Yeah, nice. It's like a bit The bed is it? Let me let me ask you a like a Snell talk style intro question Ah, do you guys do you guys ever switch sides or is it like you choose your side and regardless of what bed? You're at even if it's like a hotel bed.
You guys are on the same side No, I generally take the side closest to the bathroom. Okay, and the only time that's changed was I think when Char was pregnant But even then I think it's just I just go to the bathroom more often I just drink too much water before going to bed right always wake up in the middle tonight, right? It's just how it's gonna be forever, so okay. Yeah, what about you?
We're very habitual So when we kind of pick one we tend to stick with it for a while the things that up end that or is if you ever move around or if you We do we do tend to change it for like in a hotel or something like that Just because different. Yeah, but I don't know there's a rhyme or reason to it But like I'm thinking of changing the sides because I think of changing the sides because We've recently changed some things in the bedroom and it makes more sense to be on one side versus the other now But that's a whole conversation to have Yeah, I think it's worth going back to you. I think you should try it. Okay, we should we should have follow up You chose poorly We have to get there.
I think so I think so it's you know what? I'm actually coming up on buying a new mattress, which is a nightmare purchase Because you don't get a new mattress super often You know like could you could you imagine like how many things in your life? Do you buy once every like 10 years plus? Right, it's not that many things like maybe like a stove maybe a fridge like utility items, right?
And I'm saying I am segueing to our topic because I think this is actually not a bad segue to the topic of something you buy once every 10 years or so Because there's not many gadgets that you buy once every ten years some people will buy like a desktop computer and they'll maybe be able to make it 10 years But most things definitely under the ten years, but a mattress is like is like ten years ten years plus depending on how how like what you do to a mattress? I guess That's a behind me as a Casper mattress from 2015. Oh, yeah, so yes, it's a nice like podcast. It's sponsored by gas mattress Yeah, right I was gonna ask like if you tried any of the podcast mattresses This one I'm sleeping on a casper mattress for ten years and it's been amazing And I absolutely do want to double down, but I worry that the casper mattress they sell today isn't the same one They made ten years ago.
I see great because of its unification, you know like you never know Yeah, you never know this is true And I don't think we sponsor the same podcast. No now they don't Now that I've suggested they might have been should've by they're not gonna sponsor this one I don't know they might be great. They might be better. I don't know I haven't looked into it I haven't once I bought the mattress and I was happy with it.
I haven't done any mattress shopping. I don't know what the industry is like But yeah, that's definitely a topic because I think it causes people a lot of stress Right. No, and this is a you should you should make your decision. How long are you when this is gonna happen for you?
I think next year. Yeah, I think next year. Oh next year. Okay.
So we have another season to go We have to come back to this yeah, I think so like the mattress. Yeah, how often do you replace a mattress? No, when we move house, so twice in the last ten years also, wow, so Yeah, cool and that's only because we wanted to change we were just taking the old mattress when we moved here two years ago Except we decided we wanted a king size bit because the queen size that is crazy for us Just because we have a child who just won't sleep in his own bit A three person sleeping situation requires a king man for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we went four years without one Yeah, so finally when we got here, okay, no, we need we're gonna get a king size That makes lots of sense.
I wish I wish I wish we had podcast mattresses here Yeah, and even the podcast like like I keep thinking about gas But like the mattress industry as revolutionized by the ones that sponsored podcasts Hasn't gotten here yet except for one company Which is really just like an offshoot of the existing big mattress big mattress in the Philippines company here Like they just decided they want to have some brand that is youth oriented that is like gasper and tough to needle But it's still just the same people, you know, okay, so we never we never got that but what we did get is like yeah, yes So so that's the whole thing that's the whole thing for when you do the show, okay? Well, it's a good for that again. So I think we do a main topic and I think the because I'm this is such a huge Poorly topic, which is cameras. We have talked about cameras before because we did a whole episode when I bought my mirrorless camera in 2022 It was like the spring of 22 when I bought the Canon M50 which was an amazing You chose poorly purchased because I did my research I worked really hard on like figuring out the right camera for me and I still believe it's the right camera for me because it's it's so small It never feels like it's in the way in a bag and so like I am comfortable taking it pretty much everywhere I go And I found a lens for it that works so well Which is a pancake 22 millimeter lens and so it just feels like a really really good point and shoot camera that takes amazing photos But it's a perfect huge show's poorly product because almost as soon as I bought it Canon discontinued this specific line of cameras Right, right, of course and they were like we're coming out with a new whole line for this price point That has a different lens type and we're discontinuing this lens type is we're never gonna make any more lenses for this camera and no one else is either That's the best that's why our show is perfect that episode No, you have to stick to it like you can't operate I know I legitimately adore and love this camera It solves so many problems for me.
I'm using it right now if you're looking at me on YouTube You're looking at me through the lens of this camera It works as a webcam Fanta if the best webcam I've ever used because the secret feature of DSLRs is a they're amazing webcams If you can get one to work right not a little more But if they if their software that works with it and the software isn't buggy and garbage Which they often are you can get the webcam out of your mirrorless camera and it's fantastic. I look better than I look at real life For sure that's what you want out of the camera right you want it when you take a picture you want to go Oh, that's actually a little bit better than my actual eyeballs see I Understand yeah, I mean I just want to I don't want to support your self-isperaging Yes, no, that's only what you want out of camera. Yeah, yeah the Other thing that kind of happened to me almost right after buying this camera that made me go ooh But it's not something I would have done was I went to Italy because I bought this camera out to be like my travel camera So I went to Italy did a trip took took like two thousand photos was very happy with how the camera worked But I went on a camera tour in Rome with the Leica corporation and This camera tour is fantastic And I recommend anybody do it if they're in a city that has a Leica store is they often run these tours where they just hand you a Leica camera and you walk around like touristy areas and you take photos with their camera and the photos I took with that camera Made the photos from the Canon M50 look like iPhone 3G photos So like brand new camera very excited what an upgrade for me and then I take this little tour and for like three hours I have a camera that's that's taking ludicrously better photos and then I go home and I'm stuck with this camera that just takes great photos You know, so that's that's fun And so we recap like your end of the of the camera you chose poorly Experience and at the time my response mostly aside from like helping really enjoying how you articulated the review process Yeah, I remember the it was the G1 yes, right? the review versus the review and And then the Leica corporation and me just not understanding at the time so my response and my reaction to most of this Was like like my position of I am the iPhone camera guy not because of fandom or anything but strictly because of Best cameras what you always have with you.
Oh my god phone is just always with me I'm the seat of it. So right so that's coming from that idea. Yeah, this is my camera framework Yeah, which is like what the best ones the one you have with you the iPhones always with you and the iPhone Was is pretty great as a camera that you have always for a camera that's always gonna be with you that you don't even think about It's a really great camera. It is I remember I remember coming back from was I coming back from Italy or going to Italy And you were like I also got a brand new camera and it's so good and it's called the iPhone 14 pro max Yeah, that was you remember and I was like the thing is he's right.
It's it's so good Yeah, like you are you are a hundred percent correct. It's a great camera It's the thing is and I remember saying at the time the Canon M50 cost me eight hundred dollars In 2022 and in late 2023 I bought an iPhone 15 Promax which cost me two thousand dollars And I better get a really good camera out of that kind of money Frank better So yeah, and so the question is for me like okay 2022 by this Canon M50 camera 2023 by this iPhone 15 and we talked about this in terms of how many photos I'm taking with both devices I thought maybe I could give you a quick update on one that race is doing Yeah, so I'm gonna open I'm gonna open up late room and I'm gonna look at 2024 just the photos I've taken in 2024 and I haven't organized my may photos yet in my room. I do it month by month It's just a little treat I give myself once a month I go through and I just like okay What are the photos I've taken this month? Let me delete the ones I'm not gonna keep in screenshots and memes and stuff like that I'll just keep the photos I like and I have taken 81 photos with the Canon M50 in 2024 not taken I've taken more than that but I've kept 81 photos with the Canon M50 I've kept three photos from my iPad mini Just because I've got a lot it's safe to Yeah, that's a lot for an iPad even I've kept seven photos from a thing called unknown camera Which I'm assuming is my wife's camera then she sent me photos and upset to keep them I think that's what's going on there What would you guess for the iPhone 15 pro max based on those numbers of photos I've kept this year 81 for the Canon 3 for the iPad?
I would say 300 yeah, it's 227 photos So the Canon continues to lose In terms of photos kept and you'll notice I'm a lot of focus right now You can still hear me, but I'm a lot of focus the cameras got like fine to me again It might take a second gosh This is actually downside using this webcam that like isn't obvious at first I should actually just use manual focus. I should like go into the settings and very more change your Tamanual focus so it doesn't do that but anyways, that's a non-sequar But yeah, I have definitely taken way more photos with my iPhone camera and photos I'm happy with photos. I've looked at and decided to keep Right, right and this all makes sense this all tracks this somewhat works in the conversations We've been having and it's entirely on your side of the argument Which is yeah, it doesn't matter how good a camera you have It's not the one that's in your pocket and the one in your pocket is pretty good Yeah, all it has to be is pretty good is what I was saying yeah However, and this is why we're having a show today. I hope I hope I set this up really well for you It was really great by the way good job fantastic fantastic work.
Um, so yeah back then so just to establish my position further It really was it's the one. Yeah, it just needs to be pretty good among the things I didn't understand And I would say if you I was pushed outright is to greet with Is the is the management the photos because that's what I feel is the best thing that iPhones have done to the world for like that's the like photos the photos app which you would use to be I photo and but the photos app and iCloud Automatically arranging your photos and organizing your photos along with like a poop ton of storage if you're paying for it And knowing that you think garbage I think garbage photos and I take great photos And they're all just in the same in the same thing and it doesn't cost me anything But it also ranges everything by month and by album and by people like it arranges faces and they're 95% accurate is everything I want a camera to be and the iPhone as far as I was concerned is it like that's all it needs to be and It does it and and if I were pushed I would say it doesn't make any sense to me to to deal with the burden of Another camera like the position was no photo quality is worth the burden for someone like me like I'm not saying this for the whole world But like my position was yeah, no, okay, just to throw another metaphor on this It's kind of like the it's kind of like owning a record collection when you have Spotify and you're happy with Spotify absolutely, right? Like why would you go through all this hassle? Yeah, I took to go further on that there are also some people who like bend who have a record collection to have a record collection Not to listen to music sure.
I mean, there's just a handful. There's enough of them to annoy the rest of us Are those the people who just keep cameras like on shelves because they kind of look cool, but they're not really using cameras at all Well, yeah, it would be them right It's the people who have coffee brewers on shelves and only ever drink one kind of room Yeah, which and all of this all of this is to say that's me now like yeah, I'm I I said I'd have to be pushed to say any of those things two years ago and we had that show But I didn't yeah because I'm very well aware of how in the show you and I can become wrong instantly or we can change our minds like tomorrow, it's it's it's amazing to me the Like doing a show like this with one person with you specifically and me specifically and how we've grown and changed over the years It's amazing. And so like I think what you're about to talk about is gonna be just it's gonna floor me because you've told me a little bit about This but I've been like no save it for the show. Save it for the show I was about each other this also it's she was saying what do you talk about cameras?
Oh, it's perfect timing too because it's not you anymore Yeah, so you know that what you're gonna talk about isn't just you do it. Yeah, um, so anyway, anyway Again, and I never really did say the evil version of what I felt and I'm glad I didn't but I say today that I have changed my mind completely and I'm 1,000% on your site. Oh no Like you know what I Everything I felt was wrong all of my impulsive my impulsive. Yeah, but you have to put it in Lightroom So I like you go you go on a trip.
Yeah, and then you have to sit down in front of a computer for hours Yeah, you just look at that huh, but don't you already have software that huh? All of this is just me going. Yeah, no, I get it. It's it's great It's the right thing to do and it's good and fun and it makes me happy and And this was because see the problem is like you live in like Canada and I live here literally in opposite ends of the year I think we were if we were just hanging out more often.
I think I just come around to it sooner or worse You come around to my position and never get into cameras. You know, it's probably good It's so funny cuz I'm like I'm very much right now like just the looking at the numbers I'm on your side No, you know, it's like this is why we have a show because it just makes like I love that we get to lay it out because it makes so much sense to me but what happened here was we had a dinner party and We and then somebody said let's all take photos and you know usually what happens is someone just pulls out a phone and selfie selfie And set up a phone somewhere and you know Arm, you know, yeah, yeah, this is what we do yeah, and then somebody pulls out pulls out the camera from a bag a bag Like this is not like a photographer friend or someone who has a podcast about technology who want a camera Who did a review tournament? This is just like a normal friend so here and she pulled out a camera from back set up a tripod tripod And we all just stood there with our kids and the photos and then the kids ran away like it was the 1920s Yeah, and I thought that's cute. That's cute And then back to the dinner and then like the next day or later that night She sends the photos to the chat and they were gorgeous like they were just so nice Just so nice and then the saw side from the portrait photos like where we were stood in post great There were just normal photos like you would take with the phone Mm-hmm like there were just photos of candid moments of people laughing and just singing and eating and like real moments nothing manufactured or posed and They were nice in that way that is just like it was nice nice.
It wasn't phone camp It wasn't like they had the latest iPhone nice because I don't have the latest life not not I mean at the time of the show even at the time I didn't I remember you were looking at the 14 pro max Yeah, and I had the 10 s max Yeah, and then you chose to go for the real camera instead and then eventually I got the 14 pro and now you have the 15 pro max Yeah, so this wasn't like 15 pro nicer than the 14 pro nice. It was nice nice Right nice nice and I know you know what I mean You're the person to bought the camera but to me it was it was like oh these are oh these are nice nice nice Like it did something to me like it made me feel something not envy for the gadget but just like this And I think you hinted at this like before we recorded when you're talking about webcams because now you're using your camera for the webcam But this is like this captures the warmth and the fun we had at the dinner better than the photos I took on my phone right and then when when So it was my wife char who got really like well He's like she just went straight to an astrophent and then what camera did you use? Because we know that they are like they are so there's a group of people so My friend so much Juggin's they'll do me listen to this. I think you might listen to the jog especially But they are they are weird tech people or jogger specifically the husband my friend is a weird tech person There are people who just live on crappy smartphones.
They're just okay having a crappy smartphone Sure because they invest in in the stuff that counts. There's the camera right so so they just buy good cameras This is normal to them to me bananas Get the iPhone that this is why the iPhone exists right so they have some Android smartphone that you know It's like from five six years ago. It's something I just could not do sure you know I cannot 2019 like an animal yeah, but they're happy they're happy so they're 2019 phones, but they're happy and their camera photos are gorgeous. It's ridiculous makes no sense to me But it makes so much sense to me so she tells us about this camera and it's some I forget I should have taken note for the show, but it's some some handled mirrorless camera Not quite a point point and shoot or it might even be it might even be a point and shoot I think that's the part that was crazy for us It's like a point and shoot like not it was a Power shot which sounds like it's a point and shoot yeah That's not a mirrorless or an SLR.
It's a point to shoot now. Oh, the power shot line is one six lens. Yeah And it's a cannon right yeah, I think it's like a little zoom on it, but it's stuck to the camera Yeah, and it was just so much nicer than any iPhone and there was no fiddling there was no no nothing It was just like tripod take a photo. Oh nicer than anything we took that night And then we started looking into cameras.
So that was face. That was the first thing so it was just just a little drop of poison in your life Yeah, yeah, it's the it's the one guy saying yeah I know you're listening spotify but come here sit here sit here and this chair and let me play a record for you Yeah, and it's you know, it's just whoa and it's like what still you know It's a big investment here has anything but then she does the camera and we're like well I know what I know a power shot. That was my college camera my two mind to I am so I am actually so nostalgic for my power shot G well, I think it was it was like a 20 2009 2010 vintage of camera. It was it was the last time I owned before I jumped to like phone cameras Right, right and that makes sense.
That's the same thing for me I had that and a Nokia like before the smartphone yeah, you know So that was that was what happened in so we look into these cameras and we look into the price points and we're like okay So I was still very fixed in my position of yeah, I don't think I'm ever gonna buy a phone camera But I admit these are nice. It's amazing, but okay not from each other was like yeah But now I'm interested because her iPhone 12 is two years old two and a half years old and it's already like like it's old It feels old it's low battery is gonna die and being in the Philippines battery place meant steak a month So it's not even feasible. Yeah, yeah ridiculous Like we don't have a spare phone that she's willing to use like there are spare phones here But she doesn't want to go through the trouble of using a spare phone for a month And so suddenly it's like I'm gonna just live use I mean the thing that's most important is taking a picture whenever she can whenever she needs to because Anyway, she looks into it and then we visit her mom's house and then we're just taking photos and then in her mom's house Just revealing more personal stuff here with my mom's partner. We call him the go Benji It's uncle Benji in English and he's a camera guy like he is a camera guy like SLR So over the place he has those refrigerators for lenses.
Oh, wow, that's correct. That's yeah, that's dedication Yeah, yeah, that kind of weird person Can I just say it doesn't matter what you're into but if you buy a fridge for your hobby Which I here's the thing that's not even that sounds like an insane sentence, but people who are into things buy refrigerators for the things They're into absolutely right there are refrigerators for watches. Oh, yeah refrigerators for right cigars Right like the cars all like all sorts of wine all sorts of cameras Like but if you're if you're at the point where you're like I need to buy a fridge for this for my hobby stuff Yeah, that's your your way into it at that point Yeah, and we're not you know So the idea that you're paying the price you're paying for the storage of the thing is as expensive or more expensive than the thing Yeah, like that's that's a different level. Oh, yeah, so so that's where that's where he's at That's where he's been at.
He's an award-winning photographer. That's amazing around since yeah, so he says oh you're into it I'm looking into I'm looking into a point-to-shoots and mirrorless cameras as well. So Talk to you about this is a I have this extra B-80 Nikon Nikon B-80 Which is a 2006 SLR it might be the last one before they could do video. Okay.
Yeah, I still don't do video great I Go why don't you play we were there for a week for Easter break and why don't you play with this for a few days and Take whatever photos you want. I'm not using it. Go ahead and then she plays with it and she takes photos It's a we're in a nice place. It's a nice village with a playground and we're up in the mountains and so she takes photos I've we've been going there since she moved there.
Yeah, so three years now We were there nice fancy phones, but she takes photos for a few days with that that camera and then I borrow the camera Here's here's why it's a show and you know here's why I'm doing the show then I borrow the camera And it's just on my neck and it's kind of heavy, but you know, whatever. It's just it's on my neck. It weighs the way of like five phones Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe six. This is a 2006 SLR.
It's not a mirror. You know, that's what I love about this story so much It's like this is a See I love that I said this when I was on the wrestling wrestling podcast after WrestleMania Or I said I don't have the burden of saying something that I can't change my mind on because I'm not the host of the show So I could really say best WrestleMania ever and I could just change my mind It's not gonna matter, but the great thing about our show is that we freely admit like, you know Apple vision pros dumb I would totally buy one tomorrow. You know what I mean? Sure.
Yeah, so yeah It's stupid giant SLR that's bigger than whatever can't fit in my pocket I don't have a bag for it was taking just the best photos of my son that I've ever taken you know And then the best photos of my wife that I've ever taken and then the best photos of my mom's house and of my brothers and these people I care about You know, I think that's the thing too. I was in that setting with family Yeah, and it was just and it was just and even you're right and all of those days those four or five days I probably took more photos on my phone than on that camera Even while holding the camera to like you had the camera You're still taking more photos with your phone, right? I didn't know what to do with settings or whatever like there were just Things were always just flying blind you didn't even barely know how to use this thing. Yeah, I did not know how to turn off the Flash, right?
I just did not turn off the flash and all the photos with the flash were not nice Or they just look like they had flash which just seemed out to fashion in the past 20 years like who does that flash is it? It's like an aesthetic choice some people fucking love it, right? I remember not caring when I was young, you know, it's just you know, and then just now I could not have the photos of flash Just look right so and I couldn't turn it off so I just feel like I was flying blind But then we would go through this is the part where I was laughing at myself So it was so the photos were one thing. Yeah, just take photos of step one sure Yeah, yeah, the whole dance of finding the adapter that you need to plug in either the SD card or the camera itself and do the computer And then like pulling out some software out the dust some dusty shelf in my computer Literally in my hard drive just because I paid for it and never use this.
I don't even know a pixel meter pixel meter the cheap Apple competitor to Photoshop and then just Editing a vote editing a photo using photo editing software so you're one at a time that right one at a time Just and not like it being the normal thing to do sure like you know I did not have the time to be to step outside of myself and laugh It was just like no This is what I'm gonna do right we have all these photos if and you know they're raw and I know what raw means So I could then do the thing and then come out with a photo that you're just so happy with one out of the 60 70 photos you took in the past three hours and just like we were just happy and we would be like come here come here look At this look at my computer and look at the shot of you and of them and of us and then that night when you went to sleep It was like oh no like oh dear here we go. Let me just quickly sum up here because I think this is a good spot So you you had you had one friend Show you what a good photo is from a camera and you had a family member go here you go first one's free And you're like and you go through the process you take photos you Develop photos. I mean we don't really call it develop it. That's what you're doing right you are that's what you're doing Right you're you're doing that process you filter out 99% of the photos you took because you took and I guarantee you you took more bad photos with the with the DSLR Then you would have ever taken bad photos with your iPhone Absolutely right absolutely the hit mystery show is way different with the DSLR than it is with iPhone cuz almost all iPhone shots are fine But you actually kind of like outside of like accidentally taking a picture in your pocket or like while you're quickly moving Like if you're if your hand is somewhat steady your phone is taking a pretty good photo Right it's very rarely out of focus like iPhones I mentioned this before the iPhones are like in infinity focus all the time and it's like I've like using this Canon M50 as a webcam I've fallen out of focus like four times just in the show because I'm using the autofocus like an idiot I should have I should have switched it over to make a focus and like distanced it properly and you know But the iPhone like just kind of does it right whereas your DSLR I'm guessing a bunch of those photos were blurry Oh, yeah, yeah more than a bunch more than a bunch right and you're just like okay delete delete delete That one's actually pretty good.
Let's tweak this and pixelator a little bit and a little bit of tweaking Just put a little just put a little bit of seasoning on this. It's pretty nice And then you go save as high resolution JPEG and put it into your collection and that photo once you back sync it back to your Phone that photo is gonna show up in your photo widget more than the other photos Yes, like that's actually like that's what's happening right now I don't people don't really realize that but like your your like a photo widget and your photos app it knows the better photos Yeah, it'll surface those more It's not gonna show the ones it took on itself because it knows no no you're not getting that many pocket photos in the photo widget So no and everything you're saying that I did everything you're saying that I did We're gonna get to this yeah about the drawbacks of it is dr. Bex like you're looking at it right now Yeah, yeah, I will say it's worth it. I will say it's worth it.
I agree I actually look better out of focus with this camera than I do in focus with my regular webcam But it's also it's also the About to say gross things but I don't have the word for it but like the romance of Manually trying to focus on you. Oh there looks nice stir You know it looks nicer. Yeah, then this camera which I love by the way I'm sorry I gotta say video video on the iPhone is like I'll have a hard time Like I sent you a review of a DJI camera thing and I sent it because the dude went to smack down into video But I have a hard like I am gonna we could totally do if you ever get into those things I would be staunchly in the position of no iPhone always let me just a quick footnote in video because I do want to talk about video This my stream so far has been a really good indication of some of the drawbacks of video with SLR But like yeah video is like I've seen like Android reviews of phones where they're like this takes a better photo than the iPhone But if you want to take video by an iPhone like it's You know and I think that's mostly the root like that is generally be unless you're gonna buy like a rig like a red camera Or like you're in the industry I I don't really see a reason to buy a video camera. That's not an iPhone Yeah, right unless you're like unless you need something like a like a niche thing like a looks up against more rugged You know like a GoPro or you want to buy those like metasmart glasses and that's like a different kind of video That's different right yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, even the DJI thing really the review of that dude went to smack down like on the bridge Yeah, okay I get it but like you have to be really really really into it to justify one yeah It doesn't make that much sense like if your thing is taking video and you probably already have all those rigs and you want one That's pretty good that you can take with you that is also not your phone Right like for normal people who benefit from being able to create video iPhone So I am very much in that position about video however for photos which is like after what a hundred years of photography It's still still very much its own thing.
It has a means of shumb by video like the Jetsons predicted or something like it's still very much like moments right? I am now Very happy to say that I am so wrong Because Because the best camera is the best camera right right the best camera is the best camera like I think I think that's the fact here now There are obviously obviously there's tools of thought here that are important and it's you know To sum up what I mean, but I think you know what I mean I think everyone listening knows what I mean, but having to figure out how to think through it is that we were on We're taking a walk in outside the mom's house just in the morning before breakfast is the quick workout and Oh, no sorry Charticle walk without me and then I saw an Instagram that she posted on Instagram and she saw a photo She saw a cat like hiding in a tree and it was a cool moment like of a great shot but it was an iPhone 12 photo and It was like the feeling the overwhelming feeling for her was like it was important to capture I wanted to post it, but I missed the camera so much I was unhappy that this was the camera I had right to take this moment now the moment of course was gone instantly after like we can't Go back. So given given the reality of life where you got to capture a moment when it's there sure iPhone I phone but the best camera is the best camera and I think it's in arguable because the power we were using is Probably so much worse than the M50. You know, I mean well This is kind of the bad secret about real cameras is that they're all good Yeah, is that and that's and getting one that's like a couple years newer than an older one it Like some stuff might be a little better, but not really like yeah Like there's and there's real downside still like mirrorless versus DSLR or and I you know we haven't even brought up the film people Who are the real record player listeners?
Yeah, those guys so like people the The woman who was like the head of the tour in Rome for the like a tour she hands me this beautiful 2016 era like a camera I think it was it it wasn't even like their highest end cap because I don't think they're giving their highest in cameras to like free tourists But it was like a it was like a four thousand dollar like a camera something like that And I asked her what she was using because she had one around her neck and she was like oh, this is a film like a Wow from like 1996 or something like that and Does she have her own like her own room to develop? Well, of course she works at the like a store the like a store had its own developing room Well, of course, but like also like they were just developing like there. I would walk. I would see them and in the There's two or three camera stores in Toronto that have developing facilities in them.
So like yeah people like the film people are okay They have they're doing fine Yeah, they're okay, and she she brought up her phone and she was like here. Let me show you a couple photos of taking with this camera And those photos made the photos that I was taking with the digital Leica look As bad as the ones I was taking with my Canon 50 Right, there's levels to this Levels to this and like sometimes it doesn't matter sometimes you could have literally the best camera in the world And if you're not all that good at it sometimes it's a skill issue, right? But like sometimes it's the tech right you're you're two thousand when you say 2007 DSLR the DA 2006 there's nothing wrong with that camera is the thing right now There's not a thing wrong with it. The autofocus might be a little slow compared to cameras today But it's not like the difference between an iPhone 15 and an iPhone 10 where it's low.
That's the thing fucking night and day difference Yeah, yeah, that's the thing You know It's not upsetting but like there's a part of me that was just like this is like this is not fair It's what I was thinking like this is like I guess This is not fair. I love that I love that It's yeah, I of course you would It is still we just he just gave it to us I mean it's a d80 and he had like two 3d 80s hanging around he's just that kind of person So he just said you just take it. Sure sure sure so so we go in by a battery No one sells a battery anymore, so we had to go like get a like a class a like the replica of the battery that has us BCE or no we use that we bought on with a dock. It's a pain It can't do SD cards larger than 64 gig.
So we almost bought a big one and then we put in And it's it's just a pain it's fragile, you know, like you have to worry about it, you know It's not like that sure and it's heavy Yeah, but it's just like the like the the primary argument I had which is no photo quality is worth it when your phone is good enough It's now fundamentally flawed now completely disagree with myself like it's just no that that one argument ahead is just wrong now Yeah, where no there are when you can afford to take it take it with you. It is absolutely worth the trouble When it's when it's when it's moments I think you unless you're a photographer when taking a photo is the thing right so that's different like That's not like the category of human I feel like I'll ever be in but no offense. Did that sound like I was making fun of them? I wasn't there's okay There's a there's a Tom Waits quote that I really love where someone was asking him about like his acting career because he's like been a bunch of movies and he's like I like I do some acting but I'm not an actor and like that's that's I think so true of like a hobby or perspective on one's hobby right right like You know like what you call yourself versus what you do You know and sometimes you don't want to call yourself a thing because you because you know that that comes with strings, right?
Yeah, right you say oh, I'm a writer. Well, that means something to people versus yeah, I write a little bit sometimes That's that's a big there's a huge difference. Yeah, right? Absolutely.
I was a I mean I was Years and years ago. I was very excited to get to call myself a writer and I just now think how dumb I was Feel that way I actually think it's much it's like much healthier to just be like I take some photos or I write some short story sometime But I'm just I'm just me. I'm not I'm not like a thing, you know, yeah students keep asking me So sir are you a gamer right? I feel like I'm not a game Because apparently now gamers is a term that has a way to Right so podcaster podcaster to guys are podcasted.
Yeah, so are you and I are podcasters. That's what we are. No, we're not we we do a little podcasting Right How wrong we are all the time big difference between doing a little podcasting talking about the difficulties of choosing things in life That's a big thing to me and then there's my curly, you know You don't like massive just as a just as like a weird aside on tiktok I've seen some of these and I've read about this which is like Doing a bit where you're pretending to podcast as a way of framing a video Okay, have you heard about this? No, so like some if you're if you're doing an endless scroll on any vertical video app Sometimes you'll see a video of someone and they're sitting in a chair and they've got a microphone and they're talking to a person And it looks like they're podcasting like the all the visual language of a podcast is there but that podcast doesn't exist They're just doing a bit for tiktok So but they're they're doing a thing where they're trying to say something and they just use that framing yeah Are they just making fun of us?
I don't know I think I actually think they're using the podcasting framing to make themselves seem a little bit more authoritative oh boy, okay Like to give weight to what they're saying and like it looks like they're talking to a person but that other person doesn't exist Yeah You're given the cringe face right? It's like that's yeah, right? Right, I mean yeah, well somebody asked you about this But I remember feeling very much more strongly about this maybe eight years ago than now There's not whatever people can do what they want, but it's like podcasting like the whole idea So it's this is already I'm wrong, you know, but already I'm wrong by saying the whole idea of our gas thing is that anyone can do it It means nothing it's a very democratic platform Yeah, just you know, it's just a dude yeah, but you know that's That is that is relevant to almost everything we talk about on the show I think given that the tech that we're interested in is very linked to hobbies We have yeah or aspire aspire to have or see other people having and as for photos and photography like you said this You kind of you kind of said this about me about me being a social media guy, you know Because you see like my whole life enough. I never see myself that way, you know So it's but but I guess under that category like a camera suddenly is Like much more valuable and I should have seen it before because boy do I see it now?
So speaking now though of the very usual sportly aspect of it in terms of like gadget vanity and pickled dumb It's a it is not a camera. I would choose to have it is a pain to carry it is fragile Even if any ebay search can show you that it can be it's actually like less than $100 now Just because it's old sure they're still like quite a following it's still quite a following for the camera And it's like just because it's relatively inexpensive. It's still a fragile valuable piece of it So we will you summon the evil you summon the evil here by saying the word eBay out loud Sorry in camera conversations. I have like several ebay searches for like camera lenses Like I mostly go on eBay for camera crap Why is it evil though?
Is it evil? No, it's evil because it's it helps you scratch the itch Well, I already admitted to going on an ebay search, right? So yeah, that's that's what happened. Yeah, there it is with the itch that we confess to having Yeah, but I was saying this what it's thinking gadget speak text speak What this is really making me do is making me really want a point and shoot we like or a mirror less that we like sure Like the end game really is not an SLR sized thing with interchangeable lens as happy as we are with this lens And we were told about this lens.
I wish I could tell you what it is I wish I could put me I just didn't hurt to me to take it with me it's upstairs, but We'll put it in the show after Yeah, but yeah, some like it was explained to us why this lens was good versus another lens And how after however many years it's still blah blah blah But but that is not what like there is no I think the thing about photos is that there is no gadget yet You know how you know how we have a podcast and we talk about things being wrong and we have attachments to categories of things But the iPad which we could talk about this season by the way again But for the camera, it's not so much there's any gadget lust for any specific model It's just like that's what you were saying like there is there's a camera category I think we're interested in and it's also a very it's we so it's me and Char I don't feel any personal like Like I want a camera for myself. That's really interesting. You want you want like a house camera in a way like yeah I think so. I think so yeah, I think that's so yeah, I think that's so interesting a camera is so much easier to hand to another person And have them use than a phone right like a phone is such a one-player game That's right.
That's right. Right. That's right. A camera is a lot easier to hand it.
Okay, but here go take pictures of this You know we had this yesterday for the moving up my maxis moving up And and and then we've never had this conversation before but on the way there she goes So who should use the big camera and huh? So one of us use the big camera and the other should use the phone camera for sure We've never this is not a thing we ever talked about before right now that there's a camera It's important to have photos of the camera and it's important for someone to be responsible for it Right unlike the phone where you don't even think about it someone has to be responsible to take the good photos Yeah, and then so then then I said I have the 14 pro so this is like a podcast So I have the 14 pro I'm gonna take the video and then we can do cinematic more than that and then she goes Yeah, so she's gonna take the photos and that's what we did and we're very happy It's just nice and great and terrible and expensive, but this is where we're at now So just do just for me for us now where we're at is we're looking at models I wish I could remember these I listen on putting the show notes or what we're looking at Are you gonna do a G1 review yourself of these things? I you know I'm gonna take that model and look at it like the model of review choosing but then like because it's shared Yeah, I'm not gonna take over. I'm gonna take over like I'm the tech person here You know it's more She wants to be the one to hold it so it's really her camera that I get to play with sometimes I think I'm happy I think this is also why I'm happy with it because I don't think I would have had the conversation with the DaBengie where I would then say yes or let me play with that camera for a few days It was really charged.
Yeah, and then from there I borrowed it. So I think not having that burden made me very happy with the camera right So there's that and then I guess one day we may have a show where I talk about our new camera But right now it's more on the fun the paradigm shift for me Which goes against everything I said everything I said two years ago on the show But I think that's great. That's just what I wanted to share. I think that's I think that's great as I fall out of focus one more time I think that's great But yeah, no, that's that's amazing I don't have any buying advice for you because I did my shopping two years ago and the phone that or the camera that I Showed immediately got to continue So I don't think you should go with mine Because if you're gonna buy a new camera, you should probably buy one that has some kind of living ecosystem for a little while I can tell you really upset about the other focus Help yeah, that's it there we go there yeah Interesting is because you said you didn't necessarily want like an SLR you maybe just want like a like a modern power shot They still make those they still make good point and shoots You know and I think the ones today are a lot more waterproof and you can drop them and you know those those are the things in which Camera's got better over the years And most of them have like bluetooth and Wi-Fi in them now.
Yeah, right? That's a thing I have to admit that the whole cable situation is a pain like I do carded after thing Look, I don't really take the SD card out of my camera I hit the little bluetooth button and I send my photos to image.canon and they go there and then Within about two minutes they show up in my lightroom catalog So that's nice, you know that that does help with the the process, but you got to be connected to Wi-Fi or bluetooth to do that When I was in Italy, I absolutely did you know I used the USB-C to SD card dingus that Apple sells and That is how I got my photos onto my iPad and I did all my developing in lightroom on the iPad Which is one of the best things to do with an iPad is is manipulate photos Right, so you you're a camera person who has his own camera. Do you ever feel like? Do you ever do you follow camera gadget releases and you know it's and you know we do with computers and phones?
Yeah, so I in my in my RSS app I do subscribe to one specific camera website, which is called Pentapixel Which is I believe what the old They were I think it was I could be wrong But I think it was an old cycle DP review that was owned by Amazon and they shut that down and they moved it over to this site I could be wrong that could be a different site but I read Pentapixel and they yeah cameras are just their beat and they do a lot of stories about like camera software lenses and the review new cameras and you know yeah, and like I read verge reviews on cameras and stuff like that but I don't spend a ton of time and I Will say once you do buy a camera one you're happy with it It stays good for a very long time like I anticipate using this M50 until it breaks Like the photos from it are extremely good and so I really only see myself upgrading if it breaks Because the size of it is so perfect. It's such a perfectly sized little camera and the one Canon replaced it with is bigger and heavier So like I'm actually kind of glad I got this one and not like the new version because it's not because what I wanted was a very compact little Tourist camera, you know in hindsight I wonder if I wouldn't have been better off with like a really good point shoot that had just one very good lens on it Because I don't really ever change the lens once I found I bought three or four lenses But now that I'm really happy with one. I don't really change them up much Right right other people might people who use refrigerators for lenses might change out their lenses more often. Yeah, right?
No for sure, right. Yeah, like ask your you say father-in-law or something like that the Refrigerator camera guy let's call him my uncle uncle. Okay. Ask him how often he swaps lenses out on the camera He takes pictures with most often sure actually very curious about that I mean, it's it's it's like the record thing.
It's it's a It's such a there are so many demographics right and for camera users Like it's not just one kind of person But he's decidedly kind of person that we are very much not like on the same trip when he got excited that there are other people excited about cameras He started to put out his fancy camera put on a vest a vest that had lenses And then started walking around taking photos of Like trees and shit. Yeah You know so and it was very much like like it was for he was doing it because he enjoyed taking the photo Of course is a thing he enjoyed doing and I will say I think that's the thing that's still the same for me And which is why iPhone still wins so many of these categories is I don't really enjoy the trouble You know, it's worth the trouble, but the trouble is still troublesome like it is not like fun That is like the act that's such a good such a good summation of the issue You're like what you said earlier, it's like the best camera is the best camera like That's true and the best camera is the one you have with you is also true because like then photo of the cat The chart took she wasn't gonna get that photo with the vice camera. Yeah, like that photo exists because of the iPhone Right. Exactly.
So that the two things do the two things run in parallel And they don't really cancel each other out, right? You will always take a better photo with a old nice camera than with a new nice phone I think that's probably always gonna be true Yeah, yeah, right I mean especially I remember thinking that it could not have been that true when we had the show right? I didn't think it was true to an extent But you know at some point phones are gonna catch up, you know is the idea. Yeah, and now I'm convinced that they won't like I just think do you think maybe they just can't like they just can't and that's why phone cameras are getting stranger It's just I don't know the specifics, but it sounds like it's simple physics.
Yeah, you just can't you know because phones Phone companies want to make smaller phones like thinner phones. Yeah more handleable phones Yeah, that's the whole idea every now and then you see one with a massive bump on the back and they really try and then no one Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah To this point like they just removed one of the lenses from the iPad from the newest thinnest iPad they just removed the lens Yeah, you know, of course no one known to photos with the iPad But the just just with the idea of like they want to make thinner things Like that's a selling point that makes them billions of dollars when they can say they made a thinner thing than before and that just You can't make a better camera with a thinner thing right or a better. You know, it's just I'm not knowledgeable enough to say What I need to say but the idea is that I just think you can't I think I don't know it's between years 2006 You know you're talking about the lady with a film camera and it's and I it is just empirically objectively better than These photos like it is not better in that it could capture a cat in a tree Sure, this is true But the the merit of a nice photo is a thing that hasn't changed and I think it's even more valuable now than ever before Unlike video, I think it's I mean there's a lot of theory here There's a lot of literary theory.
There's books I've been published just talking about it with not a photo in any of the pages We're just talking about like the philosophical implications But it's true like a photo is this something and to me theory or no theory philosophy or no philosophy I just know I feel things with a nice photo with a camera that I don't feel with a phone camera and that's For this show is all the counts Yes, it's all the counts. Yeah, I think that we keep coming back to that and I think it's why we keep doing this show Like it's I you know, it's it's fun to chat about stuff But every now and then we go. Oh, no, I felt that to my core. I felt like oh, no Like that isn't that like that's what we could have also called this show.
Oh, no I've made a terrible I've made a terrible thing hello darkness my old friend Those are all other names for the show would what we feel when we go wait a minute I had a thought no no wait no oh, oh no. I'm having this feeling over here. I don't like how this feels. Oh, no Oh, no now I have to have an eBay search now Right Oh, no, I need to admit about being completely wrong about a thing.
I was so sure about yeah That's the that's the realization the realization is like and sometimes it's just liberal arts Sometimes you just reach the edge of something and then you realize that there's more to it And then you and then what you realize about yourself is like oh, I actually maybe want to go over there Yeah, yeah, I have to yeah. Oh, no now. I have to by the way I love just a little very inside thing For me is I love that you use liberal arts to describe this experience and not the sciences Which is literally all about getting to the edge of things and itself correcting Okay, so it's a liberal arts just being the guy married to the science person who is the liberal and I'm the liberal arts person Yeah, I very much enjoyed that. Thank you.
I don't really see that much of a difference between the two You know Okay, cool, I I think that's the capricomversation I'm really curious if I'm curious what you end up doing because I think you've got one of three choices you can Quit and just buy a new iPhone when it comes out in the fall and be like actually this is better than the last couple of iPhones And it's good enough and it makes us happy Right, you can buy a brand new Fancy kind of thing that you're happy with and will be very good for a while and No matter what you will still take ten times as many photos with your phone as you do with the brand new thing that you love Because I think it's I think it's like I'm doing it without realizing You know, but I think that's fine. I think that's that's still peace in a way. Yeah, I think it's great Yeah, and the third thing you can do is you can Continuously buy older more niche cameras until you have a really nice shelf of old cameras Which which does two things which it scratches the itch and it turns you into the other kind of person Which just has a nice shelf of old cool techie stuff Which we've established is a perfectly normal cool person. Oh my god.
Yeah, that's a that's a type That's that's fine. That's a totally fine normal thing to do with a shelf is cover it with old cameras. Yeah I'm I'm I even by a fridge Space I swear I'm not this isn't like I I understand Wanting the fridge I do I understand wanting the fridge I've wanted to buy a fridge for a couple of hobbies I have it yet. I'm not at that level, but I get the inclination and I respect it I respect it because I think once you have a fridge for it.
You are committed to the hobby. Yeah, you're not messing around anymore Anyone who anyone who seriously thinks about even the seriously this shops around bro fridge that goes on shopping for a fridge They are past the point of giving a shit with anyone thinks. Oh my god. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, they're not they're not like at that point They're like no, I'm a photographer. I don't take photos. Yeah Also your photographer. Yes, like that's their response.
Oh my god Did we okay? Did we come up with like a new definition of like when you are a thing is when you own a fridge for that thing a fridge was You're not a writer until you have a fridge for your writing. No, no exactly you are not a writer. I Don't give I don't care how many books you've sold What lists you're on?
Yeah unless you have a fridge. Yeah for the writing. Yeah, you're not a writer And like that could be a metaphor, but I don't think so. I think it has to be an actual writing fridge Mm-hmm.
We're breaking you ground. Yeah, four or five seasons in yeah Good question No breaking ground here. Yeah, we have now defined a thing in the world did two guys on a podcast come up with a new way to gate You're not a podcaster podcast. You got a podcasting fridge Great, this is no, this is the damage we're capable of doing to society frankly.
That's true. Oh my god. Oh my god. Wow Is liquid cooling getting a fridge for your gaming computer Is that I think a gaming computer is a free is a It's the size of one Yeah, I mean if it has cooling yeah, that's what it is.
I think you're right If it has cooling okay, okay cool. Okay. We're now defining what a fridge is that's right It has this have a cooling on to you have to buy a device for your hobby that has some type of cooling mechanism Well, okay, so all right. It's gonna be at least a bar for a size thing a bar for a size thing A bar for a size thing temperature control temperature control Yeah, and so and humidity control.
That's the thing. It's protecting the lens from yeah, so That's what a fridge does yeah controls the temperature in the humidity. That's right So yeah, it's not a silly but you mean school. It's not keeping things out of temperature and humidity that you want Right, right.
Yeah. Yeah. I love that. See this is the this is what I love about our show also is that we had the perfect ending like minutes ago Yeah, we did but we just we just kept going Well, that's what makes a five-pastors is we don't know when to stop What does it mean to have a fridge right for the thing for the thing, you know, and now we've decided yet again Yeah, change the definition again.
That's what we do. Yeah, geeky girl boss We talk about my new thing we talk about my new nerdy thing, but that's good. We can see some cameras Why okay, well, there's a lot we have a bunch now and we have a bag now of things for the season again Yeah, but first we had like two things now like we're saving off a bunch things are coming up So I think like we could definitely talk about iPads if you buy an iPad Sure, let's talk about that. Okay, we can talk about iPads.
We can talk about gaming. I think I've got a couple of gaming topics Because like I made a thing and I do want to talk about it. Oh, yes, that's what you meant. Of course.
Yeah, your new popular thing my new So you need to you need to you know shell out some of the some of the bank you're making into this podcast That's true. I'm very wealthy now. I did I did tell my boss. I was like I got 300 likes on Reddit So I think I can quit now You can sponsor the show now I could sponsor the show.
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