Your Digital Legacy

I, V, M. Yeah, so hi everyone. I'm Naren and I'm at that age. They call middle age where the narrow waste and the broad mind interchange places.

So I'm the architopical Indian uncle. Yeah. So whatever Tony said about the pot, really is true in my case. It's very, it occurs very well for anti-aging science.

If not, then you are indeed middle age. So I'm necessarily big. Yeah. And also joining us to complete our panel of four for the first time in a while.

He would like to be an uncle in the gaming world, but unfortunately, he's currently still in Bombay. Say hi, Stikit. Hi guys. Hi, and this is quite sad.

I mean, I have definitely, I think Tony and you and I have probably been the only people who became uncles while during the during the year. That's a simplified. Right. In the course of that, I mean, I was definitely not an uncle before I joined simplified.

Yeah. And so what's the definition though? I mean, I was like, when does one become? I mean, I think it probably some, some sort of gazing.

So yeah, I mean, for me, I mean, I've recently just been playing a city building game set in ancient Egypt. So I've been mostly naigazing. So, so yeah. So that is my version of it.

Yeah. Yeah, not a using. Yeah, about uncle. I had to share this.

Okay. So I went to the US and I so I had to go to a place called Charlotte and to get to Charlotte Charlotte is my least side town. So you don't have many international flights. So I took an international flight to Atlanta and then local flight to Charlotte.

And as luck would have it, it took forever in the immigration line and I missed my flight. So there was another lady on my flight who was also, you know, in the same place, she was also traveling to Charlotte. So both of us we missed our flight. I mean, flight had gone.

So you were a charlie. So I'm going, you know, we both have was a walking towards the American Airlines, what we're trying to figure out how to, you know, get another flight, that kind of thing. And I am about to call like this lady walking. So I just wanted to, you know, sort of start a conversation, ask her if she's also going to Charlotte, what what fit.

So I thought she looked elderly. So I was going to, you know, two Indians style. I couldn't just say hello, right? So I was about to say hello, auntie.

And she made me do the draw and she says, uncle, are you going to start? But no, this is a well earned upgrade from when you were called grandfather when you were in. Yeah. I think that was a man.

So the person who called me grandfather was basically old enough. She was a mother and, you know, she was basically as old as my children. So that sort of it. But this lady out of sworn was my aunt, man.

And she's calling me uncle. So yeah, I quietly. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So as we age, it also becomes important for us to understand what our legacy is and what we bequeats to the generations that come after us. Speaking of which, it's not just the estate or the real estate as it stands currently, but also the digital estate, which is becoming increasingly more relevant. Is this another way for you to sneak an FTS into the conversation?

If that's the case, I'm leaving this for the head. Enough of the script three months. Let the records state that you were the first person to bring an FTS conversation. Yeah.

That's true. Actually, you early adopted and you introduced me to the God for the second world. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. We may be uncle's, but we don't forget easily. Actually, one necessary qualification on uncle is the instinctive sort of rubbishing of all things crypto, right? NFT crypto and I think uncle have a rubbish uncle.

Have to say that. Yeah. And I know to be fair, if you ask most 20 euros this way, they will also rubbish. Yeah, I think it's not a really a function of the uncle.

Them. But because I do remember not very long ago when I think it was still uncle's, we had done an episode where we pretty much got over these technologies quite effusively. Yeah. So effusively we got to over them.

But I think right now, yeah, the effusiveness that can only come from genuine ignorance. You know, that was it. It can come from a market that was going to the moon and now that's going to the dogs. So back to Tony.

So like the real. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Apparently you have a tarnished legacy. Let's go.

There's a famous Dunbar's number, right, which stated I'm guessing before the digital age that the number of meaningful connections of us and can have is one 50. But apparently in this day and age, the average person apparently has one 50 online accounts that require a password. So that's a nice move. That's a significant thing.

Wow. Which means what happens to these accounts, the content there, all of what you've created and you know what happens to it after you pass on or die becomes an important question. And as usual, this is one topic on Simplified, which is at the intersection of digital running faster than privacy and legality can catch up. So, you know, it's still sort of like a gray area and some senses, but we will sort of go around the world a little bit to understand what the law state and how you know, you can basically protect your digital legacy at this point in time.

Yeah, speaking of, I mean, I think impromptu question, what would you like to see memorized of your digital presence after you thought about it? Would you want to mute everything or would you want someone to sort of keep something like I think a good agenda of that question is if you were to speak make a digital will, is there anything that you would want to leave behind? Yeah, you can. Right.

Like, yeah, I mean, only thing I'll be coming back to NFTs now. No, yeah. Most definitely not. I think only we don't want to keep simplifying whatever shape of whatever episodes are.

I think those are the people who are positive. Like there are some playlists and all that, which I think add value to some people's lives. I think it goes like, but I probably want my Gmail to get mute. Yeah.

For me, I think one major part of my digital legacy would be my edits on Wikipedia. Yeah. So, I mean, that would be there. I don't think I can bequeath my admanship to anyone because I think it is supposed to expire along with my expiration.

So, I mean, besides that, yeah, I mean, I'd say that and I guess maybe for you guys, I mean, not for me, definitely. I think your Twitter accounts might be some, there might be some value in them. If not, usually more than functional value of any sort. Yeah.

I mean, maybe I have thought about it at some point because unfortunately, I've had some friends who pass away and Twitter accounts are kind of selective. And it's a little weird to see like the tweets still there. I think Facebook who marks it saying that this person has passed away and this is just a memory. And then it's an open world where people can come and write stuff.

I think that actually is quite, I don't know, but this is quite a complicated thing. And I think it varies from person to person. But all the more reason for us to talk about it when we're alive so that we can make these choices. Yeah.

I definitely want you to keep chucking the marionist typing compilation, which is basically the secret. That is secret. Everybody knows about it. Everybody listens to simplify knows about it.

And they might write it. And ask, can you send us a document where it's typing on our secret WhatsApp group? I have come in. I have complete.

I have complete. I have to update this on the status of hashtag, write a book. Which is the case everyone who wants to please write it saying that they want to document from me. I think.

Yeah. So every time I sit out to write a book, such absolute nonsense comes out that I sort of neatly tuck my tail between my legs and slink off and try to do it. But yeah, that is some, that's a project that whose time seems to have come. That's one of the legacy things.

Right. And then I ask to avail at least to love a book that hopefully certain people agree. Like, like the other piece, the Alice Man, I think you need to keep the simplified talisman in mind whenever you sit down to write a book and think everything that comes to your mind is nonsense. Remember you've got this for 270 episodes and people still love you.

Yeah, I know. Yeah, exactly. You've talked about most of the absolute. Any simplified fanboy moments when you were in the US?

Oh, yeah, actually. I was going to say, I was going to tell the producers that I did that question out for the author. But if there's actually one, then good night, that's big. So I did meet.

So there's a young couple, I know who work in the, in the Bay area. Who listened to simplified and, you know, they called us off a dinner and we had a good sort of good time. And it was very humbly, because they were asking my intellectual superior. So I was feeling extremely inadequate when I was saying, wow, simplify.

I'm like, what? Yeah. Very good compliment to those two listeners and slide back-handed to get the rest of your three-course. Sorry.

I want to just add one thing, Tony. I mean, this whole concept of digital legacy, the first thing that really comes to mind is that is it even, I mean, it actually brings it to question that whole concept of legacy. I was giving it some thought as such. Like there's this common statement everyone throws around to be remembered in the world after you're gone in a situation, right?

And people do all kinds of stuff for that. I mean, one of the biggest thing is like to keep a part of yourself alive in the world after you're gone are your children, right? Children and like the stuff that you leave behind. People have part benches named after them and all kinds of stuff, right?

Like that kind of thing. But it also then circles back to that whole question of whether you truly believe in some sort of afterlife or some ability to perceive life after your death. Right? Because honestly, I mean, if you were to take the empirical evidence of it, like post your death, nothing matters.

Right? Like what does it matter whether, I mean, Mahatma Gandhi doesn't know he's on every note in India or Nolda's like any of the other people. Nolda, I mean, he's probably just as ignorant about his legacy as any other person who died in obscurity. Right?

And that's the whole digital legacy. I mean, the digital legacy aspect also comes there. Like a lot of people, I know for a fact that one thing is digital legacy to one side. Like there are people who are like, you know, one side die.

I wouldn't want to share all my logins with my spouse and with my significant or whoever else my family members because they will then discover what kind of stuff. Shady stuff I've been doing online and stuff like that. Right? And that also, like there will be people speaking for a minute.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But at the end of the day, you're also in the place where you're like, does it really matter?

I mean, whatever they think of, whatever you were as a person, I mean, doesn't really affect you anymore. Right? So, yeah, this is a vast philosophical question. Yeah.

She kept very ominously froze mid-sciences. Who once received some signs of life? Really? I'm cool.

Are we preserving it like this? You're going to take a stream just a bit. See? This will be up on the Twitter feed.

Sorry. He's like, he's like, he's like, there is an afterlife. Is this a, like, a sitting or you're actually there? No, no.

No, no. Oh, what a great question to ask any avatar of something. Is this, is this like, is he taking a ride? Are you actually there?

Yeah, David. Also can we ask to be in the stream if you're from Orte? If I was, I mean, here I'm currently based in M. The bath.

Whenever I get a call here, I don't know the internet is weird because I'm tethering from my phone so if I get a call my internet completely goes to, so that was the seat. So what happens to your legacy then, see? What happens to your legacy if you get a call in the real world? Or Tony is trying to have some stuff.

Go on Tony. I'm just, I fully detail this with this question. Yeah. No, no.

There's a clear indication of our uncle dumped right over the past five or six years. The conversation on Simplified has turned more philosophical and in the meantime, our primary tag on Simplified has changed from informative to human. So we, we've lost our face. Really?

It's happened. I don't know. Okay. I think there's a high sensitivity both of those back.

You don't have no category to put it under, then put it under humor. No, no, no. One of the interesting things that came out from this discussion is the distinction between what constitutes a digital existence. Is it all of the content that you create like blogs?

Is it your posts on Twitter? Or does it also include your logins and DMS and access to everything? And should your air slide into your DMS quite literally? So, there's actually a sort of distinction there to what the term digital STR refers to.

And it will also be virtual achievements, right. It would be okay if you reach like a certain level and have X number of coins, which I'm sure is very important in the gaming world to be queet that title or that to somebody else. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

So as per the legality, there are two things. One is that the inheritability of the digital content must be there, which means that only digital content for which the deceased person holds the copyright will be passed down to the interest. That is one. And then the other distinction is between full ownership and right to use licenses such as software, digital music, you know, your Netflix login, etc.

Yeah. Stuff like this. If I remember if you purchased music using iTunes, you can't legally inherit that to your children or somebody else. If I remember correctly.

Exactly. So that's the third point, which is that the heir or administrator of the estate must be able to access the content, which means that there are certain contracts in terms of use, which these sort of third parties have entered into with the original person who was alive. But does the contract law take precedence or does the inheritance law take precedence? So basically broadly, some of the things digital assets that can be inherited, Bitcoin and other forms of cryptocurrency provided they still have.

Or you can stop throwing shade by talking because it's not fun to be open to you, which can just be a screenshot of your crypto account having zero basis or something like that. Domain means funds kept in online accounts such as PayPal, money in online shops like Amazon, blog content or other published works. Interestingly, frequent flyer miles depending on the airline again, but there are sort of loyalty programs which let you sort of inherit that as well. Monetize video channels actively earning advertising revenue and online investment portfolios and wallets.

So this is, I'm guessing these laws vary from country to country. So is this from the US that you were reading? Yes, so basically the primary definition is what is according to natural laws of inheritance, what gets classified as incredible, which is basically anything which has money value, which can be a loyalty account or online money and all of that. And the stuff that you can't inherit technically is email accounts, social media handles and accounts, app accounts, subscription services like Apple TV or Spotify, and anything else that is non transferable, basically standard, legal is to skate in here and everything else.

So everything is nice. Yeah, you will find something that has one foot in both of these, like you said, I'm strongly with me because something right now, but say what about like, again, go back to gaming where you have some element of currency as well as some amount of personal account and all that. Yes, lawyers are going to give you a minute to think about it and take a break. Yeah, yeah.

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Hello, we are all back from the dead and how Tony will continue telling us about digital legacy before the break. We were looking at what can be inherited, what can't be inherited and whether things should whether we should defer to the inheritance law or whether we should defer to the books or to the popular hot spot. Yeah. Yeah.

So one of the things like you mentioned is obviously all of this varies by geography and being in India, you would assume that we have to first look at what the Indian last dates and to be honest, I couldn't find anything on the first two pages of Google that was relevant. I think it's still under formulation. So obviously I thought, you know, Europe will have the most evolved ones here, but basically they just have GDPR, which is general data protection regulation, right? Yeah.

Very basic, but it doesn't actually sort of have anything related to a digital legacy or a digital inheritance because GDPR applies only to living persons. So that means that there is no uniform law in Europe to sort of take this into account and all member states are basically sort of doing their own thing. And the most advanced one obviously is Germany. Come on.

Which is the digital nation? Estonia. Estonia. Estonia.

Estonia. Wow. It's an answer that I am extremely proud that we have got. Yeah.

So Estonia has a Estonia. So what is Estonia talent the rest of the world to do? Ayo. Well done.

Well done. What is the currency of Estonia? I have no idea. I know it now.

I think it's a krona as well. I don't know. That's a Danish krona, but I think they also have a krona if I'm not mistaken. Cool, cool.

But anyway, the Estonian law of succession act, that is what guides this thing. So krona. It's a krona. It's a krona.

So you say let's move on to what I'm saying. You're not in a scrum. Krona. Estonia has been crooning about its digital supremacy for a while.

So yeah. Basically, there law doesn't distinguish between physical and digital. And everything that applies to physical assets also applies to digital assets. Which means everything gets transferred to a legal air, which can be a single person or multiple set of people.

So there are no limitations in the transfer of ownership and rights basically. And the rest of the countries I'm guessing are following Estonia as far as Europe is concerned. India doesn't have a law yet, which brings us back to the US, which is important because that's where all or most of the service providers are based anywhere. And what GDPR did very differently was to say it doesn't matter what geography your service is offered in.

If it is a person who belongs to who's a citizen of the EU, whether they're in Bombay or Prague or New Jersey, they have the same rights and you have to provide them, right? Which means that as a service provider, a Gmail or Facebook are still bound by GDPR irrespective of where they're based. That doesn't apply anymore because there is no sort of common jurisdiction. So all of that varies.

Which means we sort of default to what is the law in the US state, right? And basically it's a trade off basically between privacy of the person who has passed down and the sort of need for a logical succession and inheritance, right? So and in the US, there is something called the fourth amendment, which protects privacy and right to privacy. And basically if the government authorities need to search your physical property, they need two things.

They need a search warrant and a probable cause to say you've committed something. But this didn't extend automatically to the digital space. And there is something in the US called a third party doctrine, which means if you've sort of engaged in a contract with a third party, like let's say Facebook or Gmail or raise their pay, then you waive your privacy as such, right? And there's a lesser bar for when the government authorities can request for your details and stuff like that.

So it basically became necessary for this to sort of change because what happened was there have been several cases in court where someone's passed on and their family wanted access to the accounts. And there is something called the SCA, right? SCA is I will look at the right way for everyone who's used to simplify it the way it normally happens. The other thing that I look at is, like, this is what happens when one host actually prepares something.

The other side actually is like that. Yeah, except. I forgot what SCA is. I think it's some storage storage.

Something commission act, a storage, certification. Something in that. It's cool. Yeah.

Yeah. It's cool. It might be right in for a limb. Yeah.

So basically the Fourth Amendment happened in 1792. Okay. Obviously much before anyone dreamed of computer or the digital age. the SEA which is the Store Communications Act came into being in 1986, still.

That's nice in this question. Yeah, exactly. So basically what that did was sort of extend the right to privacy to the online space, right? Which meant that it deals with email and digital communications stored on the internet and basically they blocked third parties from turning over data to anyone, right?

Which meant that even if you're a family member, it passes away, you don't necessarily get access to it and they are not supposed to give access to it because then they'll be committing a failure. I have a question here. So a lot of law, right? Especially in the early days of when laws were codified, laws came into being after cases were fought in court.

So has there been any such like, have there been any important cases that have been fought in this space? Yeah, there have been several, I think the most recent one is carpenter versus United States 2018, where basically it prevented... I'm wondering if there is a carpenter versus United Kingdom because the cabinet just... You hit the nail on the head.

Indeed, we were expecting something from you. We were expecting a good house court from you, but we didn't expect a food house. I brought the standard back down to where it was. Well done.

It's a CSA kind of, you know, fun affair that we have. But basically carpenter versus United States was important because while it is not stored communication, one of the key aspects of privacy today is your self-tower location, right? And basically law enforcement agencies could just try and get and see wherever you're going just based on the self-tower data. In 2018, the Supreme Court said that the cell phones are almost a feature of human anatomy and when the government tracks the location of a cell phone, it is basically doing perfect surveillance, right?

So we can't do this. You were so India. U.S. That follows the fact that I do not know that because I don't know that cell phones are.

No, I don't know that cell phone. So it's definitely an atomic thing. Yeah. Yeah, so and then Utah also put in a new data privacy law, I think in 2020-2021, which was pretty significant.

And I think most states are now going to follow that. The only things that are exempt are banks and financial transactions, which lawmakers still can get access to. So the challenge with the SCA was that it basically looked at only privacy, but didn't look at the future version of how digital inheritance can happen. And to basically mitigate this, a new sort of act was brought in 2015, which is called Rufada, which is basically not what you would say when Malu is making bad handwriting notes and why is that Rufada?

Or what is that about your head? Rufada. Rufada. Yeah.

Keep referring to- Who went to French Open? Rufada. Rufada. There we go.

Yeah. So we've given you the mnemonic, but basically Rufada is revised Uniform Judiciary Access to Digital Assets Act 2015. And as of now, 47 US states have embraced this, right? Which means that you can basically pass on digital inheritance to an heir if the user has declared it in a will or they've consented to the disclosure via an online tool like Facebook's legacy contact feature, right?

So that's the basic change that's been made. Yeah. So basically then if these are not there either in terms of a will or in terms of your sort of access to the tool and having done something, then the companies can still sort of not pass on this thing. So by default, it'll get new or it should get new, right?

So that's the idea as of now. And of course, it depends and varies from company to company what the laws are, right? Twitter does not allow access to deceased user profiles. They will deactivate an account if you can produce a debt certificate or something like that.

Facebook does it very differently, which is, you know, they will memorialize a profile if, you know, the user has been verified as dead, right? And the user can basically decide what happens to the account on their debt and there are two options, right? One is that you can mention that I want my account deleted after death or, you know, set up a legacy page, legacy contact who will be able to manage the memorialize page. The important thing is they won't give the login information to the person or basically, you know, send your deans, right?

So it'll just be that they have sort of sly access, so three kids friend does not need to do any. This is why it's been for, I mean, generally, the whole legacy, digital legacy, there's one of the most beautiful ads I think this was by the PlayStation or Xbox, right? One of the most beautiful ads on digital legacy is basically, there is this, so it's a long format film and the film basically begins with this father and son actually playing this racing game together, right? And the racing game has a side by side split screen situation, so you can actually race with each other, and they're basically showing them racing together and having a good time and all that.

And pass forward to like a little bit later, this kid comes in wearing a suit and the mood is very somber and it's made evident that his father passed away, right? And so he comes in and after a while he takes on the controller and starts playing the game, playing that game used to play with his father often. And the game has a feature where the person who has the high score, actually, when you're playing that game, actually their vehicle becomes a ghost vehicle, right? That ghost vehicle that actually goes on the same track and that you have to beat that ghost vehicle to actually get your new high score, right?

So based on the timing of that. And so this kid is playing that and he gets very emotional and he's almost like his father holds the high score and it's almost like he's playing with his father every time he races. And so it's like he's racing all the time and all that. It was a very good high score.

So it's difficult to beat. And there's this one time when he finally comes close to like his leading, it's the final turn and he's leading the ghost car and as he approaches the finish line, he actually slows down and lets the ghost car win because the moment he wins his father's high score, he gets a race and so he wants to keep that ghost car always around. So that's why he actually slows down and doesn't beat the high score. So that was one of the most beautiful emotional gaming ads.

I mean, in some ways that you could actually make that. And also one of the most relevant content plugs that you could do for this particular episode, I didn't think that it would be an ad so specific to this conversation. Yeah, no, it's interesting because it's giving me other ideas and make this kind of this is a completely different simplified episode by itself. But what is the role of AI and ML in taking digital assets that are there currently and creating a post-death version of it?

Like for example, I'm assuming that the game that the ghost car would be mimicking the dad's movement in plain sight and some way. And a certain part of it made me believe. Yeah, correct. So we are also seeing that in live music, there is this trend of holographs of dead people who kind of mimic all the actions of a prince or Jimmy and so whoever it is.

I think it's much like who had one, right? It's much like who had one, right? Much like who had one. And now Amazon is working on a technology that will mimic the voice of a dead person.

Now whether the world needs a technology like that is irrelevant. But it's kind of interesting, right? And with technology like GBT3 and all that, it stands to reason that in a few years we might, even though somebody's physical body might have passed on that they're, I don't know what you call this, they're blank guidelines, they're even some way or the other end of the conversation. I don't know if I can even see trauma.

Yeah. It's another talk to myself. This takes me firmly into the realm of some fantasy fiction in some way where I think if you guys, I mean if you've read Harry Potter, there is this aspect of the elder wand, right? And basically that story of those three brothers and that one brother has a power to control death and bring people back from the dead.

But when that person did come back, they were just a mere echo of who they were as a real person, right? It is just a capsule of all their behavior and their ticks and mannerisms, but not really a full whole person who reacts real time to stuff. So I mean maybe that kind of echo of the person could be created of sorts based on some key mannerisms and a canned version. It's almost like, you know what I mean to some extent if you think about it, the AI is that we have in real life, say something like an Alexa or any kind of like, the AI is that we actually deal with.

They are effectively like echoes, they are not of a dead person but of a person who never existed who have very clear pre-ordained responses and pre-ordained set of instructions that they follow, and stuff like that, but nothing that they can kind of do their own free will in some way. But to some extent it doesn't matter because people still form connections and affections with these. There are so many document stories of elders in Japan who fall in love with their archibalds, for example. So it's one entire book area, but I think we have deviated a lot of people.

It's actually very surprising and very nice Malayalam movie called Android Koon Yapun, which I think is available on Prime. Basically a guy brings a robot as a companion for his aging dad. It's a pretty nice story, very like a typical of Malayalam, which remains me, which should do that episode. But coming back to this, I think even Alexa right now lets you basically train it and read for a few, I don't know, then it can narrate any story in that voice.

So if you want to hear stories in your grandmother's voice, you can do that. Provided you provide it with the inputs to begin with. But again, it all goes back to that you basically need to have the person's consent. And if I want my voice and likeness nuked after the point in time, then I need to have that.

So, legality and technology need to be able to enforce it. That's the sort of basic underlying principle here. Also, another, I mean, I'm just remembering, for some reason, the choreo lads have been done very beautifully. Some of the ads that I remember are, there's another one which was also a racetrack based dad.

If you guys know Arton Senna, the famous Brazilian driver who actually passed away during the... Yeah, the Imola Grompri. The Imola Grompri is where he crashed out and passed away. And he was actually reviewed in Japan quite deeply because of his connection with Honda.

And so actually I think on some death anniversary, I don't remember 10th or 20th or something, I think they did this entire thing where he still holds the record for the fastest lap of the Japanese Grompri. And so basically what they did was at night, they did this fastest lap of Senna where they actually installed lights by the entire sides of the racetrack with speakers everywhere. And the whole crowd, the whole stadium was full at night. This is like a Grompri at night.

And basically those lights actually started going at the same pace as his fastest lap with the sound of his fastest lap. So it was like Senna raced again on the track. So the lights actually lit up as he was going through each turn mimicking his fastest lap. So that was a beautiful tribute that the Honda guys gave.

So it's still there out there. It's one of the most beautiful tributes out there. Lovely. I have a...

Sorry, Tony. Please go ahead. No, just to sort of round up on what the various social media platforms anybody would do. So we discussed Twitter doesn't do anything.

Facebook basically can memorialize. LinkedIn follows suit of Facebook. I didn't realize you wanted to remove the profile or memorialize the profiles of deceased members. Apple on the other hand, basically also allows you to pass on the data in the iCloud and that can be downloaded for a period of three years.

But you can't access any licensed media or in-app purchases or payment and password information. And Google also has something called an inactive account manager where you can specify a trusted contact and they can basically download certain information based on what the person is suggested. So that's just to round up what the different social media platforms do, but check your listening. Yeah.

So I think it's just the last point that I want to make, which is I think a lot of this is going to get nuanced ones of the makers of these technologies start of... ...kind of start aging themselves and that becomes more of a reality for them. Let's face it, a lot of the guys who are making these decisions, they haven't really faced death in their... ...I mean, they obviously would have especially over the last couple of years, but when it becomes a model sort of thing a few years down the line, I think that's when we start to see a lot more nuanced around this laws in various countries, how laws apply to take houses different from this.

So I think I'm given another 20 years, something I think we see a lot more of this happening. Yeah. I also, another just to add on a point was where I think the key reason why memorializing on digital has been a little bit not as organic to do is because there is no... ...I mean, people leave digital platforms randomly all the time, right?

So it's really difficult to actually save someone's... ...one place for it. ...some has just quit, right? Someone just quit and just moved on and left it or whatever.

And I think as we get to a point of... and that's why I feel like as the, say, the dream of the metaverse does ever get realized in some way or the other, there would be a lot more to memorialize, especially if you're like, if say a situation like the Ready Player One game comes around where you have like... ...there is a certain compulsion of kind of login to your avatar or the metaverse or any kind of digital image of yourself on a daily basis. That's when I think the memorializing aspect would become really strong because then you have a distinctive way to know there is a certain person who did exist, had a digital footprint, had a regular login schedule and who has stopped doing that.

Right. And I think that would be the next... I think we'll be seeing a lot more of these digital memorials and ways to memorialize people as we move ahead with technology. Yeah, 100%.

I mean, all cynicism about it, but I think the blockchain will have some role to play over here in terms of verifying all these sort of things and assets and all that. So yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. Wow.

Look at what I've mentioned. It's a good episode saying that the metaverse and crypto might actually have some legit use cases. Not bad. Yeah.

Not too hopeful. That is the reason to make that. Yeah. You think it has ended, but one thing I want to discuss is something tangentially related called the longevity escape velocity, which basically says the...

...it's the hypothetical situation in which your remaining life expectancy is extended longer than time is passing, right? Which means that science will progress so much that by the time you're about to die, your life expectancy will go on. And apparently, according to scientists, in 2018, the longevity escape velocity will be achieved in 10 to 12 years, which means there's a chance that... So that doesn't mean everybody spoke about was like...

Yeah, till that happy point in time is that happy point in time. Basically, there are different ways to memorialize that are going on. Like Srikit mentioned at the Senna, but what if you are in Titan Senna, you have social media profiles that allow you to do this. There's some other fun things like gravestone technology, which is attaching a digital screen to the place of your death and the replaying moments of your life.

Or also the much hated tombstones with QR codes, which basically you can scan the QR button. Yeah, basically people are already happening and basically people are saying there's not always the things that you would expect that people would put in the QR code. We've got some video from ladies funeral, the hymns that were sung. And then old gentleman in a pub simply singing seven minutes of him singing some, I'm guessing some old songs.

Yeah, it depends on what you want to immortalize. And also something called live streams, which is basically whatever you want to highlight and create into a website. One last interesting thing that I want to speak of is how do you manage your digital inheritance? There are several digital inheritance services.

Or you can just include it in your will, which I don't know, when we make a will, etc. We just think that we've already achieved that. I mean, even you have to start at the end of the story by introducing all of us. I think we should start thinking about it.

There are certain digital inheritance services, right? Where basically what you'll do is you catalog the assets and passwords, designate some beneficiaries, and then the service determines if you've died, which is basically something called a heartbeat protocol. They keep sending you emails periodically, right? And if you don't respond to it for X amount of time, they start calling you on the phone.

And if you don't respond to that for a period of time, then basically, you know, you'll resume that and they'll contact your legacy inheritors. And then they have to sort of provide a proof of depth and take it all on. So yeah, basically, there's a spam filter and a two-color filter can actually be made. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it makes me feel that, I mean, there are actual people at Facebook and Alphabet whose job this is to verify whether users are dead.

Yeah, yeah, especially in Google's case, they're saying that we'll deal with it on a case-by-case basis, which is like next level. Yeah, that's going to be. Yeah, I know. And I think that is going to come to a head at the point where I think still the bulk of Internet users are still either, I mean, just millennials effectively, right?

Like in which context, if they are the bulk of Internet users, we are only going to now begin to see people who have significant online footprints start to die in like the next decades or two decades or so. And at which point, I think that case-by-case basis, business is going to become quite a difficult one to follow. So yeah, we're up for an interesting decade to come. Yeah, unless of course the longevity escape velocity gets set first.

All right, so this is a fairly thought-provoking episode as the Tony most of your episodes totally are making a question in life, in this case, literally, so sometimes death and all that. And you're willing to live and you're willing to live. Anyway, simplified will be one in some form or the other last I heard, it was going to be sent up in a space. So that other life forms can hear that this is the most evolved conversation on this planet can get.

So hey guys, if you're listening to this. So basically all the extraterrestrial can leave us alone. So, I mean, yeah, you know what I mean. So, this is extremely introspective and sort of, you know, so stay safe, stay alive and stay simplified.

Yeah. Bye guys. Bye. Bye.

See you from beyond. Yeah, see you from the... Another mode coming to you. Play this next week.