Your Gross Margin Is Misreported and Misunderstood episode artwork

EPISODE · Aug 20, 2026 · 44 MIN

Your Gross Margin Is Misreported and Misunderstood

from Play It Smart · host Alexej Pikovsky

If you are still delivering work yourself, the gross margin on your screen is probably not telling you the truth.Daniel Welling ran an information technology services business for 12 years, took it to around £1m a year in recurring revenue with 200 customers and 15 to 20 staff, then sold it. He now runs The MSP Finance Team, doing management accounting and fractional finance direction for MSPs, which means he spends his days inside other people's books.In this one he gives the benchmarks straight. Best in class blended gross margin sits in the 40% bracket. Most MSPs are somewhere between the early 20s and the mid 30s. And the reason so many owners think they are doing better than that is the same every time: they never load their own delivery time into cost of sales, they pay themselves mostly in dividends, and dividends never touch the profit and loss statement at all. So the number says 90% and the owner thinks they are a genius. His words: it is a misreported, misunderstood number.The bit that stings is what hides underneath it. The real cost of delivery and account management, he says, is totally masked by the enthusiasm, the energy levels and the work ethic of the owner. The business looks profitable because someone is quietly working for free.He also does the arithmetic almost nobody does out loud. Once acquisition is properly delegated, so not the owner and not a referral from a mate in the pub, winning a client can cost £20,000 to £30,000. Put 10% of a £1m business into sales and marketing and that buys you four new clients a year, which is probably not the growth you had in mind.The back half is the expansion that went wrong. He took the business into California chasing follow-the-sun support, the acquisition he had agreed collapsed, he built it from scratch anyway, closed new business on his first trip, flew home thinking he had cracked it, and had already made the mistakes that killed it. Commercially it worked. Delivery is what broke.What we coverStarting an IT services business in 2002, before the term MSP existedWhy he left the operator seat and went into finance insteadThe three finance mistakes he sees most, starting with reporting on a cash basis instead of an accrual basisWhy one blended gross margin line hides everything that mattersLabour-loaded gross margin, and the dividend problem that makes UK owners misread their own businessHow the UK 40% benchmark compares with the US, where the numbers run higherWhat a new client actually costs to win, and what that does to a sales and marketing budgetTaking a UK MSP into America, and the difference between the commercial side working and delivery failingThe Master MSP model: delegated delivery, turning on cost only when you turn on revenueThe phases of ownership, from engineer to salesperson to leader to shareholderWhy he is taking the finance business into a US market he reckons is 10 times the sizeFind Daniel on LinkedIn. It is the only channel he names on the episode.

Episode metadata supplied by the publisher feed · Published Aug 20, 2026

Embed this episode

Daniel Welling of The MSP Finance Team on the gross margin number most MSP owners are reading wrong, what a new client really costs, and the US expansion that broke on delivery.

Distinct summary based on available episode metadata or transcript content.

Ready to play

Your Gross Margin Is Misreported and Misunderstood

0:00 44:43

No transcript for this episode yet

We transcribe on demand. Request one and we'll notify you when it's ready — usually under 10 minutes.

No similar episodes found.

Frequently Asked Questions

How long is this episode of Play It Smart?

This episode is 44 minutes long.

When was this Play It Smart episode published?

This episode was published on August 20, 2026.

Can I download this Play It Smart episode?

Yes. Use the download control on the episode player to save the publisher-provided media file.
URL copied to clipboard!