Your Next Space Landlord: Axiom's Michael Suffredini on Private Space Stations

Axiom is a Houston-based space startup unicorn. Axiom is building a space station, brokering private spaceflight missions with SpaceX, and even has a slot at the International Space Station (ISS) with its name on it. If you can't tell, we love saying the word space.Suffredini is one of the world’s foremost authorities on building and operating space stations. He spent three decades at NASA and 10 years as the ISS program manager, before hanging up his space agency cleats and starting Axiom with Kam Ghaffarian.In April, Axiom clinched a world, or maybe intergalactic, first. Together with SpaceX, Axiom launched Ax-1, the first all-private mission to the ISS. In our conversation, recorded in early May, Suffredini shares plenty with us on Ax-1, Axiom's business model, his time at NASA, Tom Cruise's LEO movie, in-space manufacturing, and much more.Pathfinder's first episode is brought to you by SpiderOak Mission Systems, an industry leader in space cybersecurity.*CHAPTERS*0:00 - intro1:33 - Ax-1 mission introduction 3:07 - Staying busy after the mission concluded4:17 - Looking back at the launch, what surprised Mike the most?6:50 - Mike’s departure from NASA, fateful convos with eventual Axiom cofounder Dr. Kam Ghaffarian, and the decision to start Axiom 9:40 - “He called me back probably the next day and said: 'Okay, I'm in. Let's go build a space station.'”11:54 - How could a commercial station improve upon what’s been started with the ISS? What’s different between public and private stations? 13:21 - Spacewalks are expensive and time-consuming, but necessary to repair American components outside the International Space Station14:13 - At the ISS, “we transitioned to a laptop you could buy online.” Axiom is taking this approach to a whole new level.14:40 - UX (user experience) space stations - a niche but important discipline15:29 - Fixing issues in flight without calling the ground and using automated onboard hardware15:50 - Cost comparisons between public and private stations 16:10 - Buy vs. build18:07 - Vertical integration 19:56 - Axiom’s roadmap: Phase #1 @ 20:04, Phase #2 @ 21:45, and Phase #3 @ 22:4623:46 - Later this century, Axiom has sci-fi visions of creating rotating space cities in low-Earth orbit26:24 - NASA shifting from owning/operating a station to being one customer on it 31:04 - Axiom’s target markets, from applied research to in-space manufacturing33:16 - “The big thing that’s really ‘gonna change our lives”...33:12 - The killer app for space stations?36:01 - Internet analogy … and Amazon comparison @ 40:0737:20 - Inspiring kids to start thinking about microgravity and building products/businesses suited to the conditions of microgravity42:52 - “The movie flight is the worst-kept secret in the industry” (👀Tom Cruise👀)43:53 - Closing out the show with a bunch of Texas questions*ABOUT US*Pathfinder is brought to you by Payload, a modern space media brand. While we have designs on becoming the biggest space content company in the galaxy, for now, we send newsletters and publish podcasts. Subscribe to our flagship industry-leading daily newsletter at payloadspace.com