I'm Geo here with gymnastics bill and I'm here with you'll mold our how's it going you'll Feeling good. What about yourself? Not too bad not too bad. So you're back in Colorado, right?
Yep back in my old gym. Yeah, that's awesome. How do you feel? How does that feel?
You know going from college and back to your home gym? Um, you know, it was it was hard making the decision honestly after it's just because you know Oh, you was my home for so long. I worked through so many different experiences at you But going back to 52 where it all began, you know as a kid, you know, it's very special You know, I get to train with Vladimir and Arina and Sasha and just to be back kind of at home, you know, it's it truly is a blessing Yeah, that's yeah I was gonna ask that like how is it is it more difficult to train there because you know, there's it's not that same atmosphere Or is it, you know, is it good? No, it's it's amazing.
You know Taylor Burkhardt trains here, too So he's you know another, you know, junior national team member But also, you know, just going back into a gym where all these kids are so young and energetic and you know They kind of look at me as a leader So it kind of puts me in this role of kind of being a team captain again I get to bring aspects from college back into the gym just because you know, why are you and such are so open and they're all about Little new ways of gymnastics. So it's been really fun because I've gotten to kind of mix, you know, you know, the slow floor Floor the fast floor kind of the conditioning concepts, you know, the mentality concepts of OU and bring it into 52 way And you know with all these kids just hungry to be good gymnastics Actually giving me kind of energy booster as well Just because you know, these kids can take turn after turn after turn, you know, they're always just very energetic and you know, you know High-spirited, so it's actually been really good being back Yeah, that's awesome that you mentioned that just because I'm coaching now And so I definitely felt that too with the you know That young that youthful energy is something that you don't get in that college atmosphere You know, there might be more difficulty more advanced things that you're practicing But that sometimes gets forgotten from you know that youthful energy and that's that's super cool that you've got to get that back You know as you're going on into your career getting, you know, trying to be the best that you can be now So that's that's going in with that. But what was your decision in going back? Why was that ultimately your decision to go back?
So it you know, it was kind of a mix of decisions But it was also kind of like a mix of like I kind of had to so because of the pandemic You know all the colleges said that no postgrads are allowed to train because I graduated and I wasn't taking any classes There wasn't a spot for GA You know place for me because Alan had it at the time So, you know, I talked to Mark and he understood, you know, like we don't have a gym for you to train it and It was just like I need to get back into a gym. You know, there's Olympic you're coming up I just need to get back so I came back home and you know once I got there and you like I'm not gonna go You know anywhere else. I'm just gonna come back home where I'll start even training Yeah, how has the pandemic affected training? I know I was talking to Alan yesterday and he was saying when you guys were at OU Y'all set up a pommel horse and your gym made it work there.
How else, you know, once you came back How has it affected the training? You know what? You know going back all the way back in March like you said when Alan said, you know, we we got a pommel horse in my garage You know, we screwed eye hooks into the ceiling so we could do room shanks We took as many weights and parallets as we could and put them in our garage and you know, thankfully air tracks sent me a tumble strip So we could tumble in the front yard So you actually had a cool little mini gym at my house And you know, it was me Alan Ganking calling kind of practicing and then whatever, you know The OU guys wanted to do they'd come work out after us just because we were all scared at the time of a lot of people together So we kind of had just like this cool rotation system and it actually got to the point where side lines scout came over and installed Replay cameras for us. We could watch our pommel machines.
Oh, that's great So it was really cool, but you know once I got to 50 to 80 You know, there was a mass mandate There were certain training times that only the team guys were in there and the girls team was in there And you know, they didn't have any rec classes, so you know, it it it's hard I mean, you know this because you were a gymnast when no one's in the gym, but you know guys, it's hard to you know Keep the energy up, you know, it's hard, you know motivating yourself So, you know, you you went through I think harder things mentally than actually going in there physically, you know We had a gym, you know, our gym owner bought all speech equipment, you know She's she literally spoiled us and but it was more than mental side having to push yourself and tell yourself that you know This this is for yourself. This is for you know, to me or say, you know, you got to do this You got to keep pushing and it was hard at times, but you know, thankfully, you know, we talked about the young injury You know those guys really helped me get through it. So it was I think it wasn't the gym aspect of training. It was more than mental side Mm-hmm.
Yeah, that definitely makes sense. It's definitely hard I mean, you don't really think about that because gymnastics is a Individual sport when you're in that you know when you're on that event or in that competition, but I'm not having your teammates They're not having a lot of people there can definitely affect that practice. How hard you push? That's something that's yeah, super makes it super super difficult when you're trying to do that So are you still in touch with Mark and Josh and all them at OU?
Yeah, yeah, you know I text him here and there and I send him congratulations or just good luck I actually you know sent them a good luck video for them going into nationals and it's actually been funny because Mark and I have been watching the f1 races and so yeah, we always text each other on the weekends, you know, how they're doing Yeah, we say in good touch. That's actually really cool. I've actually really wanted to get into formula one racing That's like that seems like something super super cool like a lot more in my opinion a lot more interesting than like NASCAR things like that So yeah, we'll start on the Netflix series watch that. Oh, yeah, that's been on my list for like ever Yeah, I'll definitely start that up because one of my favorite movies is Rush.
Yeah, no, it's yeah Learn the teams learn the drivers and every Sunday when you watch them. Just like wow like I kind of feel like I know You know, I want to move for you. That's super cool. Yeah, well back to gymnastics That's what we're here for but hopefully we can get gymnastics to that point, you know, like you know Getting that's why we're doing all these interviews We want to you know get to know you and all the guys that are gonna be trying to compete for the Olympics So like take us on take us through a day with you.
How does that work? Usually with practice with other things. What do you usually do day-to-day? So right now?
You know practice start that seven so I get up around six fifteen six twenty, you know get ready for gym and then when I get to the gym, you know Arena my one of my coaches now, she actually meal prep soon. So she has my breakfast laid out. She has a cup of tea ready for me She has a bag of fruit, you know, she makes a protein shake after I'm done with practice So you know I get there at seven I do a 15 minute warm up, you know Then I do fast forward with the guys and then it's just like you go to each event every single day You all six every single day. It can be up to you know three on six or just a two on six with one on six So it really depends on the schedule, but you know, it's more routine based right now and you know I probably train six to seven hours a day So really my whole life right now is just revolved around gymnastics because you know I got to practice from seven to about like 10 10 30 You know come home, you know eat something nap chill out and go practice again at like 130 to you know 4 30 to 5 and then you know on Tuesday and Friday's I go to I go sauna nice And then on Sunday I get a massage and cupping so honestly dude my life is just way different You know everything I'm doing is for this sport.
I'm not gonna focus on my rest I focus on what I'm like eating you know, that's not too hard because my coaches do that for me But you know I'm gonna roll out on my free time stretch on my free time and it's just like all about you now, right? Yeah, take notes audience nutrition super important rest super important Is there let's talk about that rest period though. Um, is there anything in particular that you do is there stretching is there meditation? What you know?
So, you know, you know after every practice morning and afternoon our coaches make a stretch for 15 minutes And that's you know shoulders wrist hips split its back, you know everything and then you know when I come home I have a massage roller having a massage gun But you know, they're really focused on stretching all the time They want you to stretch no matter even if we don't have practice, you know, I get texts, you know Hey, did you stretch it? You do this right so you know they're on me, you know, that's that's what you need You know, they wrote you know Vladimir got Sasha to the Olympics, so he knows you know that route So it's been amazing having them as my coaches. Honestly. Yeah, let's talk about those coaches because those they've been coaching your whole life, right?
That's been you know consistent coaching all throughout. Um, let's talk about that and how what you what's really stuck out throughout your whole Genesis career, you know, maybe one or two things that you've really learned from them. That's a mentality thing a physicality thing You're already you already touched on, you know stretching Constantly what else one or two more things so arena is Vladimir's wife and she's more of like the mental side of the coaching You know, she really trains you to really mentally tell yourself that you could do a routine anytime any moment It doesn't matter if you're sore tired, you know, she always just says, you know You got to be like the Nike model just do it and it's funny because she you know, that's almost one of the only American brands that she really Knows that she's I just do it. I don't care but like just find a way in you.
She sends me motivational video She sends me quote. She sends me, you know a couple pages from you know, John's important stuff that she's read or just you know you know that side and Vladimir is more of You know because he was a male chin is a really good male chin is and he just understands, you know What you're feeling at that day, you know, how you feel on a Monday morning You know, you don't feel the same as you know at the end of the week So he gets that sign and he's kind of that that extra backbone that you push up like hey, like you've got this like He's that confidence guy as well. He's like you have nothing to lose like this is this is all for you and You know Sasha is that that kind of newer generation of gymnast that really really understands USA G and the whole process That because you know, he's been through it And he just kind of brings his experiences and he tells you what to expect what to feel what he did So collectively, you know, they're all just this one unit that you can get, you know, good good information from all three of them But what they really emphasize, you know, also you know, our gym doesn't want you to be just, you know Good gymnast, but they're also very emphasize on being a good person, you know, they always say don't be a superstar You're not a superstar. It doesn't matter if you're good It doesn't matter if you're winning what matters is if you're a good person because I'm not gonna coach someone that's bad And I feel like they have really, you know, put that into my skin and just make sure that I've stayed humble You know, I've helped my teammates out just being a good person in general not just because you're a good athlete But just because you should be a good person because it comes from your heart.
Mm-hmm. That's that's incredible And that's something that I've definitely I've definitely seen, you know practicing with you and you know Just being on the same team and also, you know being that person like I wasn't I was on the club team that those four years and Coming from you know talking to you, you know, obviously one of the top gymnasts in this country Just being able to talk to you and like have those conversations with you having this conversation with you You can definitely tell it's like you're not, you know, you don't have that energy that puts out Oh, I'm bigger than this. I'm better than this person that person. I appreciate that.
Yeah, I think that's super important and something to Remember always is you know at the end of the day we're all human beings and we just got to remember that Yeah, and so let's yeah, that's an amazing thing to learn an amazing thing to coach. I think Yeah, we're all gymnasts and you know everybody listening is probably at least Related to gymnastics in some sort of way, but I think what all we all have to you know account for is we got to be good people as well as Yeah, so we've been through your time of 52 80. Let's go to your college experience, you know going from 52 to 82 OU Your top recruit coming into college, you know, basically you could have decided to go anywhere. What brought you to OU?
There was just something special as soon as I got on campus. I like didn't even talk to anyone yet really And I could just feel like this was a place for me, but what really drew me in was the team I remember meeting the team. I remember being you know, Danny, you know, even though he was graduating He was so invested and just talking about you wasn't talking about this is why you need to come here This is why we're better than other schools. He was just honestly telling me what to expect if I came there What they do as a team how they kind of shape, you know, what they were able to be like and I could tell That it was it was just something that I wanted to be a part of, you know, I always tell everybody to recruit this No matter where you go, you're gonna find friends.
You're gonna have good teammates. You're gonna get a good education You're gonna get the help you need, but what do you want coming out of college? You know, I thought of OU as you know, it's gonna get me a great, you know, educational degree But it's gonna make me a great gymnast and you can tell by the numbers and the history that you had with, you know going back to bark on until, you know, shake down, you know, all these guys and then they had so many national team members and You know all the papers on the wall with all the numbers, you know pictures of the rings that they want to get, you know So I could just see that that was a place that was surrounded by Success, you know, if you want it, we'll get you there and I've when I went to OU You know, I fell in love with it honestly because it wasn't it didn't feel like it was fake It didn't feel like they were trying to put on, you know, some special trip because we were recruits I could just feel like you know, this is their team This is what they do. I could tell by their interactions.
I could tell by how everyone was hanging out I could tell by how marked, you know, control the team, you know, I got to watch guys practice And it was just like incredible to me and I was like, wow, these guys won win These guys want to be good people these guys, you know, we're car in school and you know, OU has that just environment that sucks you in, you know Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I was gonna ask about the culture, but I think you summed it up pretty well So same thing with the you know coaches at 5280 What's something that OU and the coaches there and I guess, you know, your teammates as well? What's something that OU has taught you that you've carried on and taught, you know, from, you know, coming back to 5280? Embrace the grind.
Yeah That has stuck with me and it is so crazy once you understand it It's like a lot of people want results right now and a lot of people might think oh OU wins because they get talented people and you know, they do easy gymnastics like there's so many things I've heard people say about you, but when they come to OU, you don't get to that point without doing the work, you know And when you're waking up at 530 you go to weights and then you go to class all day And then you come back and have to do, you know, two on three two one three and then a two on six, you know It's hard, but once you get through it You just like you come to yourself and you're like wow like I can do this I can do this any day But it also just shows the results and just you sit back after your freshman year and you're like holy cow like I don't think I've ever Work so hard in my life, but it's like it feels so good when it pays off and and it just teaches you this culture that if you Want it that bad all you have to do is work hard You don't work hard for a couple days you work hard every chance you get and you know mark always said embrace the grind Talk you always said embrace the grind you know Steve always said it and you know Josh was my captain at the time And he was just like incredible that those three words can really just sum up, you know almost not just a mess But your life if you have a goal, you know You have to understand that it's gonna be a journey and to be successful It takes you know more work than the average person to get to where you want to be So you have to really honestly embrace that grind because once you finish that grind everything comes after it You know, I mean, you know, you won five championships in a row as a club team and that's incredible You like you know the work so and it's crazy because you think about you know These other schools and you know, they work hard, but like there's just something about the oh you culture that teaches you like how bad Do you want it and how bad will you grind? Yeah, I've definitely it's funny just when you said that and the way you said it is just it's just spot on to How it is there and how much you have to really push yourself to say like I really want this and I want to win And that's just the number one goal and it's it gets results and it's I mean You're right you're completely right the numbers have definitely shown it and it's something that Yeah, but I've definitely carried on and definitely learned from that as well Let's talk about you know the NCAA gymnastics as a whole. How has that experienced helped your gymnastics career? Oh, it's it's helped me a lot You know, I honestly think about this all the time Like man what happened if I you know never decided to go to college and what happened if I didn't get it with you but you know Coming in as a freshman, you know, I never Told myself.
Oh, I want to be the freshman that competes all around I want to be the freshman that you know changes a program You know, I always just looked in like man I get to be part of like a college team I was my view going in and going into my first meet, you know, and then see what I'm talking about No, I was so scared me like I was like, oh my gosh Like this is like my first opportunity to show like what I really have and you know going into that meet I'm pretty sure I hit six for six and I got like the highest honor and squad ever swerving of life and after that I just like Understood that the NCAA really creates this energy for yourself that you start to understand how to compete And how to compete well, you know, looking back at college, you know, my four years, you know And going into the world side aspect of it like going into worlds going into American Cup going to international news for you I say I don't think I would have done as well if I didn't go to the NCAA Because it teaches you this confidence in yourself and it teaches you how to compete it teaches you what to think about and it teaches You what we team do you need to do to be able to you know perform well And because of the NCAA and you compete, you know every weekend through the whole season You really start to understand yourself and and what it takes to be, you know, a good gymnast Yeah, it's incredible. So you kind of touched on this already, but um I guess just in more of a general sense like how important is the college gymnastics into developing, you know The olympic athletes and having that, you know step up from NCAA up into that worldview Yeah, it's super important, you know, it's probably one of the most important steps if you're trying to go to that level You know, it was scary when all these colleges were shutting down their programs because it's like, you know If they're only eight or nine programs, does that mean everyone else is going to shut down there? See, but I don't think the NCAA looks at it as the view as you know This is a stepping stone for those people wanting to go to the world So wanting to go to the world wanting to you know, be on the international team for the USA because you know I feel like they look at as the money sack, you know, oh, it doesn't bring enough revenue Oh, it doesn't do this, but if they just took a step back and was like, oh We need the NCAA program because it creates these gymnasts that are able to compete well internationally They get into this groove. They understand, you know, their bodies a lot more They understand, you know, what routine structures they're going to have and it gives them more opportunity to compete When you think about the US If it there isn't an Olympic here, they're only, you know, two major meets winner cup and championships And then let's say you get international how are you going to have any other experiences to, you know, feel out your routines that you're If you're not an NCAA gymnast, so it's very crucial for them to understand that this isn't about You know the money side, but it's also about building two USA, you know, who look at college, you know, I mean You look at athletes on the national team when you look at the ones that have been through an NCAA program And the ones who haven't the ones who have just they they look more confident They they look like they know what they're doing more and it just it creates like a system for them And if it gets taken away, it's a scary thought to think about what team USA gymnastics will look like I think they need to understand that it's not a money side, you know, if they want more money Maybe they should do better on the marketing side.
They should tell advice more They should get more people involved like what they do with all their other sports, right? I think the NCAA is definitely one of the biggest steps to any gymnast trying to make that push Yeah, well put um, yeah, I got nothing to add because that's exactly, you know, what's on everybody's mind And like everybody on this side of NCAA gymnastics trying to save it is Um really trying to push like you're exactly right, you know, it's It's a huge huge number. It's more than a majority It's most of the gymnasts that come that go to the olympics that go to um That go to that compete for the world championships come from these college Um programs and decide to train in the colleges and stay there And so it's it's really difficult and I think also we got to you know team up with the other sports because the other sports are in The same situation that are getting canceled, you know, there's you know track and field and swimming things like that that are getting canceled that It's the same exact situation as gymnastics. Um, it's something that we definitely have to Move forward and think about because if we cancel all these programs then we get to the olympics We wonder why we're not getting gold medals anymore.
We're not doing all these things. It's um Yeah, it's gonna be difficult for us to realize oh It's because we decided to think about money first instead of developing these, you know, good good athletes and developing these sports that You know a lot of these kids are doing in college and practicing in college Yeah, and it's just it kind of irritates me every time I see it and see double-eight commercials because if they're like We're creating opportunities for student athletes in and outside their sport. It's like well If you're really sticking to that logo Make these chances for these kids fair to everyone not just your highest-paid sports, right? I understand that everything involves around money and it takes money to host events and needs but Figure it out if you're gonna advertise it don't have hopes for these kids and then just take it away You know, there's so many kids that were party heartbroken with you know, I got a scholarship to minnesota You know, I got a you know a scholarship to hear and then to find out this past year that they won't have a gymnastics team No more it's like think about the kids dream of winning the compete at your university to see what a kid And now you're just dropping it because you can't spare 200 000 but you can buy all these football players new shoes on it's like take a little bit Yeah of like planning out your financial I think it's yeah, I think it's a matter of it's lack of effort and lack of wanting to put in an effort to try and fix the way It's worked out because you're definitely right like there is money to go around there definitely is there's Um, there's you know more than enough for us to realize, you know, okay We can support these gymnasts and I think what we have to realize for sure is Um, you're right, you know money does make the world go around but it's not all about the money Like we we're doing all these sports for that for those dreams of those kids, you know, like you were once You know, you're once one of those kids that Um that wanted to go to olympics and oh you was the place for you to develop that dream and make that into reality Hopefully, um, and so with that let's move on on to your um olympic dreams, um, but also, you know, you're accolades after college, um So I think the time that I really realized that you know You will moldar arrived at the scene was the 2017 american cup when you be oleg I think that was definitely like a oh dang this kid is legit for um, I mean almost like all um, you know For ush and nastics is kind of like a statement on your part at least for me is like, yeah, I'm here I'm the one to um, I'm the guy so how was that?
Do you remember that moment? Um, yeah, that was just crazy You know, I I remember, you know going I hearing that you know caution I was signing that meat I was super excited because you know, that's the biggest international meat that um, the United States has and you know, I heard all these jimmies going in For me, I didn't take it as like, oh, I I need a win. I need to do well. I just took it as like, you know what Olegs there.
He just got, you know second in the lantel epics. I'm just gonna go there and compete into my thing and After floor, you know, I was pretty pumped after horse. I was pretty pumped and then as the meat went on It was just like holy cow like I'm leaving right now. That's so crazy And I remember going into high bar and I needed to score like a 13 7 Or something like that was in 2005 and you know, for me high bar is my weakest event And I just remember telling myself All right, man, just go and attack it like it doesn't matter.
I've been having a fun. It doesn't do it And just do it when I landed you know, I didn't know if I was gonna get square But I remember being so pumped because like for me that was really special being on the same floor with all those big names Because I've dreamed of you know competing against these world Class gymnast and for me to win I was actually very surprised. I was like holy cow talking like what just happened I'm like, what how are the oh you guys doing? You know, did everyone get Stanford?
And for me, I was just shot that whole year because You know, I won where cup and then I got to send America Cup and then I won American Cup And then I won US championships and everyone's going to worlds and it was just that year was just really Crazy to me because you know in 2016, you know, I think I went 12 for 12 Olympic trials You know, maybe top three on P bars, you know top You know top five at least on you know, good amount of events and I didn't even get picked for you know, alternate spots So for me, I was like man like I wasn't even looked at as a consideration to be an alternate Seymour hey Seymour. No, sorry But yeah, I wasn't even I don't think I was even considered to be an alternate and to go through that next year and start You know taking these titles and ending up with a world medal I was just like shocked because I After that year, I never really looked at myself And not highly because of you know, the committee and how they you know, pick the team and all the alternate So for me, I was like, oh, it's probably gonna take me, you know a couple more years to get You know, my name really out there and then 2017 was just like a big year for me and my confidence and me growing as a gymnast Yeah, that was a huge year because you won bronze at the world championships right on floor. Yeah. Yeah, and that was Now I was shocked in two, you know, I was a cool cow like mark, which is happening Yeah, it's an amazing thing.
Yeah, that's that's that's awesome. So let's go, you know Um a little bit, you know after, you know, two more years roll by you got two more american chuk cup championships What is it about the american cup that makes you, you know, I don't know That is like I think it's my favorite meet just because you can really feel the home crowd advantage there You know, even though everyone claps are everyone but like for me it almost feels like another college unique Well, it's team USA in the United States and it's it's just really your time to make a statement You know, it's your time to really put on a show, you know, like um after every american cup, I think there are people that come up to you and they were like I don't really watch gymnastics. I just came to this event because I heard this is a USA event But this was incredible and to hear those words it means a lot to me because it's like wow We're actually like getting fans in that aren't even close to the sport So it's always like you really want to do well there and instead of thinking about winning you can think about putting on a show And I think once you kind of understand that mentality Meets will be a lot easier for yourself and you know, just performing and understanding that you know, yeah You're at a big competition. Yeah, you might have you know, one chance every four years But it's like you shouldn't be thinking about that.
You know, you work so hard in the gym and you know The judges are there not to you know, make you feel bad and make you feel like you did something wrong We're just doing their jobs, but you know at the end of the day everyone's there to just watch good gymnastics Right. Yeah, I think that's super important to remember is you know, it is an important performance, you know, so No matter what level you are, you know, put on a show make sure you're doing your thing and you know, make sure that Whatever you put out there is something worth to watch. Oh, I think that's I think that's super That's a good mindset to have for sure So 56 days no 53 days now until Tokyo Um, how you feeling? What's the path to Tokyo?
And we got us championships this week You got to make team to make it a trials Then you have trials and then you pick the team and then it's go time. So for me It's you know, it's it's stressful, but it's a good stressful It's it's really time to really just go out there and have fun, you know, for me This has been a long time journey. Um, and to finally have a real shot For making the team, you know, it it really you know, it humbles you and you sit down and just think about your entire journey And you think about you know all the hard days And you think about everything you've done to get to this point and it's just like it's finally here And it's so exciting. I'm super pumped to go out there and compete at championships And you know, hopefully they make team and then we go to trials and you know, these you know four days of competition You know, almost can be more than actually making that one big team I don't know once you're on that one big team You just got there and compete as well as you can But I think one of the hardest steps is making that team first place so for me I'm just really just taking one day at a time and enjoying it enjoying the grind, you know, it's been it's been fun You know, I'm I can't say thank you enough to everyone that's impacted my gymnastics career You know from my family to my coaches to the trainers to all the teachers You know, it's all the fans and to my teammates, especially, you know, they're definitely a huge part of my gymnastics You know, I think about the time I'm considering I think about the time of you and it's like me and my my teammates and my back Always yeah always Yeah, so I'm just gonna give you the floor now to state your case why you will mold our for the olympic team I don't know.
Yeah, I don't like talking about myself Well, I will you know if I had to say something I probably just say you know if I'm picked on that team know that every single day And every time I get into the team, I'm gonna work the hardest I can work because I want this team I want USA to be on the podium. I love it so bad and There's it's just crazy because I feel like if we can get on the podium and we can bring hardware back We can almost save the sport Instead of thinking about yourself Think about the sport instead think about what we you know as a team or whoever's on that team on the one At the Olympics think about what you can do for the sport in the us right now You can bring it back to life and I think that is so important I think it goes way beyond anyone on team you want even visual you're not doing this For yourself, but you're doing it really for the sport And I think if you understand that you'll have so much drive and so much heart every time you go into the gym Beautiful thing. Yeah, I think we'll end it on that. That's a great great spot to end it.
Um, you'll thanks for talking with me Of course, you it's been great. I think um, you know, we'll uh, we'll definitely see you soon Um, good luck on championships good luck on trials and hopefully we'll see you in Tokyo Thank you man. Thanks again for talking about this. It's just no problem.
Yeah super fine I'm sure we'll do it again, you know leading up or afterwards um whenever um, yeah, I'll see you later Appreciate it