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EPISODE · Jun 10, 2025 · 1H 24M

Zadie Smith & Devonté Hynes

from Holding Up The Ladder

I can’t think of a better way to end season 4 and the never before heard conversations from my archive, than my conversation between friends, Zadie Smith and Devonté Hynes. I’d been badgering Zadie for a while to let me interview her and when she agreed, the day before our conversation was scheduled, she emailed to ask if she could bring her friend Dev? I of course said yes, scrambled to find another microphone and when we had a last minute cancellation of the recording venue, we had to do it at my house. And the room with the best soundproofing, my bedroom! We talk about how we’re all storytellers; about music; about the power of live music; about the myth of the 10,000 hours; about Prince; about whether we should define ourselves as 'artists'; about authenticity and consciousness; about knowing and unknowing and about being students forever. I’ve produced almost 60 podcast episodes and this is one of my favourites. Because, for me, there is nothing more fulfilling than sitting around with creative people talking about music and making and process - it’s why this podcast exists. I hope you enjoy it as much as I do. Guests: Zadie Smith & Devonté Hynes Title: I would never call myself an artist Music: Lil Nas X, Industry Baby; Arctic Monkeys, There'd Better Be a Mirrorball; Maggie Rogers, That's Where I Am; Knucks, Alpha House Links Devonté Hynes IG and Website Zadie Smith Website Zadie interview on latest book, The Fraud - BBC Sounds, This Cultural Life Find out ways to support the Israel-Palestine project click here Podcast Website Podcast IG Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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