11 Ten Leadership
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The 11 Ten Leadership Podcast tackles topics at the intersection of leadership, faith and culture. Leadership is challenging. Now more than ever. Today’s leaders need a vision for their leadership that engages culture AND weaves health and wholeness into their companies and communities. But to do this well, leaders need a radically different approach to their leadership. Proverbs 11:10 lays out a bold (and counter-cultural) vision… “when the righteous prosper, the city rejoices.” But what does it look like, practically, to be this type of leader—leaders willing to invest everything they have so that everyone around them can thrive? Join hosts David Spickard and Rob Shields on the journey as they lean in, listen, and learn how to become Proverbs 11:10 kind of leaders—the kind of leaders that make our cities rejoice.
Episodes
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Team Cadence: Building a Planning Rhythm That Brings Clarity and Trust
Leadership teams can easily get caught in the weekly grind of putting out fires, solving immediate problems, and managing day-to-day operations. But when is there time to step back, evaluate progress, and focus on the people and priorities that shape an organization’s future? In this episode of…
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[Replay] Episode 91: Ambidextrous Leadership, Co-creating with AI, & The 4 Things Your Team Need Most from You
What do the people you lead need most from you? According to a global Gallup study, the answer is hope, followed closely by trust. In this replay of Episode 91, Rob Shields and David Spickard welcome back longtime friend Jes Averhart for a wide-ranging conversation about how leadership is…
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One-on-Ones: The Leadership Health Indicator Hiding in Plain Sight
What makes a one-on-one truly effective, and why do so many leaders struggle to make them a priority? Kim Scott, author of Radical Candor, calls regular one-on-ones probably the most important thing a leader can do, yet almost half of employees rarely or never get one. In this episode, Rob…
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Just AI: Leading with Love in an Age of Artificial Intelligence
In this episode of the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast, Rob Shields and David Spickard revisit the rapidly evolving conversation around artificial intelligence and explore what it means to lead well in a world where AI can outrun our teams, our judgment, and even our rest. Drawing from Notre Dame's…
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The 9 Core Needs of Sustainable Leadership with Jessie Hathcock
Most leaders are handed a simple scoreboard: achievement and wealth. Jessie Hathcock opens with a harder claim — success is neither of those. It's whether nine core needs are actually being met. And when a leader quietly stops tending to them, the people who count on them feel the cost long…
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Which Belief Is Running Your Leadership?
Every leader hits a wall and the instinct is to blame what's around us: the budget, the team, the difficult boss. But after two decades coaching hundreds of executives, Muriel Wilkins found the biggest blockers almost never live out there. They live in here, in beliefs so ingrained we don't even...
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Why Every Team Needs a Super Facilitator
What separates good teams from great ones? The answer often isn’t another superstar—it’s someone who quietly helps everyone else become better. Inspired by a recent Harvard Business Review article, Rob and David explore the role of the super facilitator and why every high-performing team needs…
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Care Without Limits: Why Healthy Leaders Build Systems That Last
In the final episode of our State of Leadership series, Rob Shields and David Spickard move from insight to action. After analyzing leadership data from organizations across the country, one conclusion rises to the surface: leaders don’t have a passion problem—they have a sustainability problem....
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Leadership Beyond the Organization: Giving Power Away to Your City
Across 100-plus episodes, one thread has continually surfaced without ever being fully pulled: place. In this episode, Rob and David finally pull on that thread, asking a deceptively simple question: How does where you lead actually shape the way you lead? For leaders whose work has become...
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The Purpose Gap: Helping Leaders and Teams Connect to Their Why
Employees with a strong sense of purpose are 5.6 times more likely to be engaged at work—yet only 18% of workers say their job has a purpose they believe in. In the 11 Ten Leadership’s State of Leadership Report, leaders consistently reported feeling more connected to their organization’s purpose...
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Building Super Teams: Lessons from the Oklahoma City Thunder
What does it take to build a team that keeps getting better? The Oklahoma City Thunder's rise from a 24-win team to NBA champions in just three seasons offers an unexpected leadership blueprint. In this episode, Rob and David explore research on "super teams" and unpack the three traits that set...
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Why Leaders Hold Onto Control
What does it actually mean to “give power away” as a leader — and why is it so difficult to do? In this episode, Rob Shields and David Spickard why leaders often hold onto control without realizing it, how identity and fear of insignificance drive that behavior, and what it costs teams when…
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Why Leader Health Is Declining And What It's Costing Your Team
In this episode of the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast, Rob Shields and David Spickard unpack one of the most concerning findings from the 2026 State of Leadership report: leader health is declining even as other leadership metrics improve. The conversation explores the growing tension between external...
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Trust Is Built by Letting Go
What does it look like when leaders and their teams are in perfect alignment on trust, down to the decimal? In this episode, David Spickard and Rob Shields dive deep into one of the most compelling findings from 11 Ten Leadership's State of Leadership Report: trust scores that were identical...
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2026 State of Leadership
In this episode, David Spickard and Rob Shields introduce the 2026 State of Leadership Report, built from insights gathered through the THRIVE Assessment™. The data reveals an encouraging trend: leaders and teams are thriving more than in previous years, with noticeable gains in trust,...
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[Replay] Episode 8: The Just Leader: Thriving in a Fractured World
In this replay from August 2023, David Spickard and Rob Shielfs introduce David's book The Just Leader: Thriving in a Fractured World and share the heart behind it. Drawing from years of leadership experience and work in underserved communities, they explore why justice and thriving are deeply...
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[Replay] Episode 1: From Surviving to Thriving
We’re taking it all the way back to our very first podcast episode. In this kickoff conversation that originally aired on June 9, 2023, David Spickard and Rob Shields unpack the vision behind the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast and the powerful idea from Proverbs 11:10: when the righteous prosper, the...
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[Replay] Episode 66: The Integrated Leader: A Conversation on Mental Health & Leadership with Dr. Jason Young
In this replay episode from November of 2024 David and Rob explore the integration of mental health and leadership, both for oneself and for the people you lead. Dr. Jason Young, a seasoned psychotherapist, shares insights from his work with business leaders, discussing the impacts of exhaustion,...
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[Replay] Episode 36: 4 Ways to Become a "Super Communicator"
In this replay episode from March 2024, Rob and David unpack the concept of becoming a “Super Communicator” and why communication is at the heart of trust, leadership, and healthy team culture. Drawing from research and real-world leadership experience, they explore how the best communicators...
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[Replay] Exploring Faith, Work and Justice with Lauren Gill: A Holistic Approach to Leadership
In this replay episode from September 2024, we revisit a powerful conversation with Lauren Gill. Lauren brings a deeply thoughtful, accessible, and biblically grounded perspective on faith, work, and justice, helping leaders understand how the gospel reshapes not only what we do, but why and how…
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Celebrating 100 Episodes: A Journey of Thriving Leadership
In this special 100th episode of the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast, hosts David Spickard and Rob Shields reflect on nearly three years of conversations at the intersection of leadership, faith, justice, and culture. This milestone episode looks back on the ideas that have shaped the journey so…
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[Replay] Goals That Make You Whole | Company Goals
In this replay episode from January 2024 David and Rob tackle the biggest challenges leaders face when setting business goals, break down the key areas every leader and business owner must consider when planning for the year, and explore why it’s never too late to start—or reset—your goals.…
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[Replay] Just Philanthropy: 5 Principles to Guide Your Giving
In this replay from November 2023, David and Rob explore the world of philanthropy—where giving can go wrong—and how leaders can pursue justice in their generosity. They share five guiding principles to help shape thoughtful, responsible giving.
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[Replay] Goals That Make You Whole | Do You Know Your Why?
This episode originally aired in January 2024, and its message is just as relevant today. David and Rob kick off a series around the pursuit of wholeness by unpacking the importance of knowing why your organization exists, the difference between profit-centric vs. people-centric leadership, and…
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Leading with Purpose: How to Engage Today’s Multigenerational Workforce
Leading today means understanding the motivations of a diverse, multigenerational workforce. In this episode of the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast, Rob Shields and David Spickard explore how leaders can inspire purpose, engagement, and growth among employees from every generation. Drawing on Gallup…
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When to Wear the Headset: How Great Leaders Know When to Step In - and When to Step Back
In this episode hosts Rob Shields and David Spickard discuss the delicate balance leaders must maintain between micromanaging and delegating effectively. Drawing from a real-life example involving Carlie Irsay-Gordon of the Indianapolis Colts, they explore how leaders can set the right context…
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Both/And Leadership: Holding Conviction and Compassion in a Fractured World with Jon Houghton
David and Rob sit down with Jon Houghton, CEO of Holy Post Media and Director of Chicago Fellowship, to explore what it truly means to lead with justice, faith, and compassion. Jon shares his journey from over two decades with Young Life to leading organizations that help people flourish—both...
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The Unhurried Leader: A Radical Approach to Healing Homelessness with Settled’s Gabrielle Clowdus
David and Rob engage in a profound conversation with Gabrielle Clowdus, founder of Settled, an organization focused on addressing homelessness in the Twin Cities. Gabrielle shares her journey from international poverty research to tackling homelessness in her own community through innovative tiny...
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The Me-to-We Flip: How Leaders Create Collective Success
Rob and David welcome Steadman Harrison, a leadership expert dialing in from Ethiopia. Steadman shares his journey of democratizing leadership development through Lead Beyond, an initiative originating from the Center for Creative Leadership. The episode explores the challenges and solutions for...
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Ambidextrous Leadership, Co-creating with AI, & The 4 Things Your Team Need Most from You
Rob and David welcome back Jes Averhart, a leadership advisor and life coach, to discuss the evolution of leadership theories, the practical integration of AI as a co-creator in business, and the importance of ambidextrous leadership. The conversation touches on the significance of hope and trust...
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Letting Go as a Leadership Strategy with Dr. Jason Young
Rob and returning guest Dr. Jason Young explore the intricate relationship between contemplation and action within leadership. They define contemplation as a 'long loving look at the real,' emphasizing stillness, letting go, and hearing God's voice. Conversely, action is described as unpopular,...
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The Power of Friendship: Sharing the Journey of Leadership with Keith Daniel & Steve Swayne
Rob and David engage in a meaningful conversation with two special guests, Dr. Keith Daniel and Steve Swain. Dr. Keith Daniel, co-founder of Resilient Ventures, and Steve Swain, Director of St. Francis Springs Prayer Center, share personal stories and insights into their leadership journeys,...
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From Player, to Coach, to GM - The CEO Journey with Tim Spence
David and Rob discuss leadership, faith, and culture with Tim Spence, CEO of BSA LifeStructures. Tim shares his leadership journey, the importance of being faithful in small things, and how to foster a culture that prioritizes people and purpose. He recounts his transition into the CEO role,...
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Leading at the Intersection of Purpose, Joy & Justice with Ryan O'Donnell
Rob and David are joined by Ryan O'Donnell, co-founder and CEO of Sunlight, a tech startup focused on improving the foster care system. Ryan shares his journey from launching tech startups to using technology for social good, driven by his personal experience as a foster parent. The discussion...
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Thriving in Venture Capital: Jesse Marble’s People-First Approach to Investing
Rob and David engage with Jesse Marble, entrepreneur and General Partner at Wildwood Ventures. Jesse shares his thoughts on the nature of challenges, stating that hard tasks don't necessarily indicate you're in the wrong situation. The team discusses the intersection of leadership, faith, and...
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The Business of Belonging: Leading Justly In the Places We're Planted with David Swanson (February 2025)
David and Rob engage in a profound conversation with David Swanson, an author and pastor with a deep commitment to justice and reconciliation. They explore the themes of Swanson's book, Rediscipling the White Church, and its impact over the past five years. The discussion delves into the current...
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Reimagining Repair: A Conversation with Gregory Thompson
David and Rob engage in a profound conversation with Gregory Thompson, a scholar, writer, and creative strategist. Greg discusses the nature of effective Christian ministry through the renunciation of control and the importance of repairing harm in the context of racial justice. The episode…
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Your Work Matters: Making Cities Rejoice One Task at a Time
Rob and David engage in an insightful discussion with Lauren Gill and Missy Wallace, co-authors of Faith and Work: Galvanizing Your Church for Everyday Impact. The conversation explores how work matters deeply to God and how it plays a crucial role in His unfolding plan for the world. The episode...
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Just Money: How the Right View of Wealth Can Set You Free
David and Rob sit down with Jared Korver, a wealth manager and advocate for just leadership. They delve into the concept of "artificial poverty," how money can paradoxically lead to anxiety, and the importance of generosity and community. Jared shares his journey from dissatisfaction in a...
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From Burnout to Buy-In: Rebuilding Culture in a Post-COVID World
When the team is thriving but the leader isn’t, something has to shift. In this episode, Jesse Jones, founder of Fourscore Business Law, shares how executive coaching helped him rediscover purpose, rebuild culture, and step into the hard but holy work of leading with clarity, courage, and...
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Becoming a Leader Worth Following: An Interview with Dr. Natasha Sistrunk Robinson
David and Rob are joined by Dr. Natasha Sistrunk Robinson, an accomplished leader with over 20 years of experience across military, government, church, academic, and nonprofit sectors. Dr. Robinson shares her deep personal and professional journey, touching on her experiences as a black woman in...
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[BONUS Episode] Leading with Conviction in a Shifting DEI Landscape
David and Rob address the current challenges and shifts around diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) within a leadership context. They emphasize staying grounded in faith and conviction rather than being swayed by cultural trends. The conversation bridges practical guidance on maintaining daily...
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[BONUS Episode] Culture Fit vs Culture Add: Leadership Lessons from the NBA Trade That Shocked the World
David and Rob explore the critical distinction between culture fit and culture add in leadership. Using the recent surprising trade between the Dallas Mavericks and Los Angeles Lakers as a case study, they delve into what it means for leaders to hire individuals who not only fit but add to and...
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Special Announcement
David and Rob celebrate reaching over 75 episodes and announce a shift to a seasonal format for future episodes. The hosts reflect on the podcast's growth, the invaluable input from various guests, and how this new format will allow for more intentional content creation. Stay tuned for more...
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Navigating the "Great Detachment"
David and Rob discuss engaging employees, tackling the "Great Detachment," and the significance of regular feedback and recognition. They explore hybrid work challenges, how to foster meaningful collaboration, and the crucial role of organizational culture. This episode offers practical…
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Artificial Intelligence and Redemptive Work: A Special Faith & Work Crossover Episode
David and Rob celebrate their 75th episode with a special crossover episode from the Denver Institute for Faith and Work. This episode features an in-depth conversation between Jeff Hoffmeyer and theologian Andy Crouch on the intersection of artificial intelligence, faith, and work. They explore...
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The Gen Z Advantage: Katrece Boyd on the Future of Leadership
David and Rob welcome Katrece Boyd, Executive Director of the Center for Entrepreneurship and Economic Development at North Carolina Central University. They explore how each generation reflects the values of the previous ones and discuss the unique characteristics of Gen Z in the workforce. Key...
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[Replay] Exploring Rest, Justice & Leadership through the story of Zacchaeus (May 2023)
David and Rob delve into the story of Zacchaeus to explore the concepts of rest and justice in leadership. They discuss how Zacchaeus, a chief tax collector, experienced grace through a transformative encounter with Jesus, leading him to make radical restitutions. The hosts emphasize the…
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A Rule of Life for 11 Ten Leaders: Finding Rhythm and Purpose in 2025
David and Rob delve into the concept of a Rule of Life as a means to keep God at the center of everything leaders do, contrasting it with traditional New Year's resolutions. They discuss the communal development of their seven principles for 11 Ten Leaders, which include living at rest, loving...
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[Special Christmas Episode] Investing in Joy
In this special Christmas episode, David and Rob bring together Sharon Mitchell, Pastor Phillip Walker, and Fraley Marshall to discuss the innovative Just Fund initiative. The conversation delves into the transformative potential of this reparative justice fund, which promotes radical generosity...
About this show
The 11 Ten Leadership Podcast tackles topics at the intersection of leadership, faith and culture. Leadership is challenging. Now more than ever. Today’s leaders need a vision for their leadership that engages culture AND weaves health and wholeness into their companies and communities. But to do this well, leaders need a radically different approach to their leadership. Proverbs 11:10 lays out a bold (and counter-cultural) vision… “when the righteous prosper, the city rejoices.” But what does it look like, practically, to be this type of leader—leaders willing to invest everything they have so that everyone around them can thrive? Join hosts David Spickard and Rob Shields on the journey as they lean in, listen, and learn how to become Proverbs 11:10 kind of leaders—the kind of leaders that make our cities rejoice.
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