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4sight Health Roundup (for Healthcare Executives)
by 4sight Health Roundup
Your best 20 minutes this week, where outcomes matter, customers count and value rules. Hear analysis of the crucial market-based healthcare news and speculation for the week ahead. The customer revolution in healthcare comes alive in this must-listen podcast for forward-thinking healthcare executives.David Burda, 4sight Health’s news editor, hosts with commentary from David Johnson, 4sight Health’s CEO, and Julie Murchinson, Partner at Transformation Capital. Join the Customer Revolution!Subscribe through your streaming service.Read more at https://www.4sighthealth.com/insights/
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A New Health Tech Accelerator for Hospitals. Vroom Vroom! Or Ho Hum?
The American Hospital Association and the West Health Institute launched a new health technology accelerator for hospitals and health systems. Will it make a difference? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson assess the industry impact on, “A New Health Tech Accelerator for Hospitals. Vroom Vroom! Or Ho Hum?” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Healthcare Revolutionaries On the Move With Alejandro Quiroga
Welcome to another edition of 4sight Health's Healthcare Revolutionaries On the Move, where we update the latest adventures of our favorite healthcare instigators who believe outcomes matter, customers count and value rules.4sight Health profiled Alejandro Quiroga, M.D., president of Corewell Health West, the Grand Rapids, Michigan-based division of Corewell Health, in December 2023. A year after our profile and podcast interview with him, Dr. Quiroga left Corewell to become president and CEO of Children's Mercy Kansas City, a 390-bed children's hospital in Kansas City, Missouri. He started in his new position in January 2025.Dr. Quiroga, a pediatric nephrologist, described his move from Corewell to Children's Mercy as "a dream come true."Read the companion Q&A piece here.
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Will CMS’s New ACCESS Model Push the Right Buttons?
CMS released the names of the first digital health technology vendor cohort for its new model to provide tech-enabled chronic disease management services to Medicare beneficiaries. What will it take to make the program a success? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson revisit the issue on, “Will CMS’s New ACCESS Model Push the Right Buttons,” a special episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Let's See If You're On Our MVP Interoperability List
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services released the names of the first cohort of health technology vendors that met HHS' minimum viable product criteria to join its HealthTech Ecosystem. David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson want to know, does this first wave signal an interoperability tsunami? We talked about it on, “Let's See If You're On Our MVP Interoperability List,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Competitor, Collaborator or Replacement?
One-third of consumers are using AI chatbots for medical advice, with many people not following up with a human provider. What does that say about consumers, providers and AI? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson debate on, “Competitor, Collaborator or Replacement?” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Healthcare Revolutionaries on the Move With Dan Trigub
4sight Health profiled Dan Trigub, co-founder and CEO of MedArrive, in February 2023. At the time, the New York-based company deployed a network of EMTs and paramedics, dubbed “field providers,” to provide basic healthcare services to people at home."As everyone knows, healthcare is incredibly complex — and stubborn. While we proved our model worked and delivered thousands of positive outcomes, the economics of scaling in-home care remained extremely challenging. That forced us to evolve," Trigub said. Listen to his interview with 4sight Health and see what he's up to now. https://www.4sighthealth.com/podcast-how-healthcare-revolutionaries-think-with-dan-trigub/
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Physician Compensation, Competition and Substitution
New compensation models and new types of licensed practitioners are redefining the market for physician services. Will consumers benefit? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson debated the issue on, “Physician Compensation, Competition and Substitution,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Are Healthcare Lobbies Getting Their Money's Worth?
Healthcare industry sectors are spending more on lobbying than ever before. David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson discussed the impact on health policy, health innovation and healthcare consumers on, “Are Healthcare Lobbies Getting Their Money's Worth?” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Pop Goes the Measles
What can we do to tamp down measles outbreaks and prevent them from breaking the healthcare budget? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson share their ideas on how we can eradicate this latest public health threat on, “Pop Goes the Measles,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Raise Your Hand If You Know Why Medical School Enrollment Is at an All-Time High
More people than ever want to become doctors despite all the challenges posed by today's healthcare system. What's going on? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson offer their explanations on, “Raise Your Hand If You Know Why Medical School Enrollment Is at an All-Time High,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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The Odds of Online Sports Betting Becoming a Public Health Crisis
As if we didn't have enough to worry about, a new piece in JAMA says states need to act now to prevent online sports betting from becoming a big problem. David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson break it down on, “The Odds of Online Sports Betting Becoming a Public Health Crisis,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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How Many Healthcare Workers Does It Take...
... do everything? New healthcare jobs are the primary driver of employment growth in the U.S. David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson break down the good and bad on, “How Many Healthcare Workers Does It Take to ...” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Breaking PBMs' Hold Over Drug Prices
Pharmacy benefit managers' business practices are under attack from multiple directions. David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson debate whether the new legislative and regulatory actions on pharmacy benefit managers' business practices will make a difference in how much consumers pay for drugs on “Breaking PBMs' Hold Over Drug Prices,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda. Listen.
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Tell Me Where It Hurts
David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson debate market winners and losers from the explosion of AI-powered medical chatbots for consumers on, "Tell Me Where It Hurts," the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda. Listen.
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Healthcare Revolutionaries On the Move With Kemena Brooks
Rust never sleeps. Neither do healthcare revolutionaries. Welcome to 4sight Health's new feature, where we update the industry on the latest adventures of our favorite healthcare instigators who believe outcomes matter, customers count and value rules.4sight Health profiled Kemena Brooks, vice president of real estate development for The Community Builders, in April 2025. Two months later, in June 2025, Brooks became chief of staff of the Chicago Housing Authority.Read our original profile here: https://www.4sighthealth.com/how-healthcare-revolutionaries-think-10-questions-with-kemena-brooks/Read our original podcast interview here: https://www.4sighthealth.com/podcast-how-healthcare-revolutionaries-think-with-kemena-brooks/Watch for future updates of healthcare revolutionaries who are building better healthcare.
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Pushing the Right Buttons
What can we do to slow and reverse runaway national health expenditures? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson talk through potential solutions on, “Pushing the Right Buttons,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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The Heartbeat of Primary Care
Primary care is the engine that runs the healthcare system. David W. Johnson and special guest Dr. Robert Pearl, former CEO of the Permanente Medical Group, debate the future of primary care on, “The Heartbeat of Primary Care,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Diagnosing Healthcare 2026
What will rock the healthcare world in 2026? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson predict the trends that will rock the healthcare world in 2026 in this first episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast for the new year, “Diagnosing Healthcare 2026,” moderated by David Burda.
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Healthcare 2025. Save As...
Interoperability pledge? AI becomes table stakes? Destruction of the CDC? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson make their case for the biggest healthcare story of the year on, “Healthcare 2025. Save As...” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Connecting Digital Health and Health Outcomes
Will paying doctors to use the latest health technologies to improve the health of seniors with chronic diseases work? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson review Medicare's new chronic care model on, “Connecting Digital Health and Health Outcomes,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Pushing the Right Regulatory Buttons
Should we use regulations to treat the symptoms of healthcare market dysfunction or try to cure its causes? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson debate on, “Pushing the Right Regulatory Buttons,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Does VC Spending by Academic Medical Centers Check the Right Boxes?
When academic medical centers invest in healthcare companies, who benefits? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson debate the outcomes on, “Does VC Spending by Academic Medical Centers Check the Right Boxes?” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Getting Moms and Babies Off To a Good Start
How is the political climate affecting reproductive services? 4sight Health’s David Burda interviews CEO of LovEvolve and founder of the Whole Person Index Katie Kaney and asks how she and her colleagues are tapping their creativity to combat the maternal mortality crisis. Listen to, “How Healthcare Revolutionaries Think” from 4sight Health.
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More Primary Care, Please
A new report says health systems want to expand their primary care footprint. David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson discuss health systems' motivations and whether patients will benefit from those expansion plans on, “More Primary Care, Please,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Taking Consumers' Digital Health Pulse
A new poll is out showing consumers' growing use of digital health apps and websites. David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson debate whether providers and health tech companies are picking up signals from consumers that they want more digital health apps and websites on, “Taking Consumers' Digital Health Pulse,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Putting a Finger on Healthcare's Biggest Trends
Trilliant Health is out with its annual report on what’s shaping the health economy. Are they on the nose or off the mark? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson are “Putting a Finger on Healthcare's Biggest Trends” on the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Measuring the ROI of Safe and Effective Care
They say good outcomes are good business in healthcare, but can anyone prove it? David W. Johnson and podcast guest Stephanie Mercado, CEO of the National Association for Healthcare Quality, say it's possible and reveal how it's done on investment in high-quality care on, "Measuring the ROI of Safe and Effective Care," the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Recovering From the CDC's New Vaccine Recommendations
How can the market and providers boost childhood vaccine rates when the CDC under RFK Jr. is discouraging them? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson share what the market and providers can do on, “Recovering from the CDC's New Vaccine Recommendations,” this special episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Erasing Enhanced Premium Tax Credits for ACA Health Plans
We’re talking about the tax credits that help people buy health insurance through state and federal health insurance exchanges. David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson tell us who wins and who loses in the shutdown showdown on, “Erasing Enhanced Premium Tax Credits for ACA Health Plans,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Medical Practices Making Room for Advanced Practice Clinicians
Medical practices themselves are adding advanced practice clinicians at a record pace. Who are the market winners and losers from this shift in the healthcare workforce? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson debate the market impact “Medical Practices Making Room for Advanced Practice Clinicians,” on the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Yes, Employers, You Can Do Something About Rising Healthcare Costs
Employers are facing big jumps in employee medical and health insurance costs next year. What can they do to mitigate the increases? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson share their ideas on how employers can counter the projected big increases on, “Yes, Employers, You Can Do Something About Rising Healthcare Costs,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Who Controls the Future of Healthcare Market Competition?
David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson debate what will happen in the wake of two recent antitrust enforcement policy moves by the Trump administration on “Who Controls the Future of Healthcare Market Competition?” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Come for the Sunshine, Stay for the Polio
With the dismantling of the CDC, who will step up to provide science-based public health guidance to the U.S. and the world? Will it be states? Will it be entrepreneurs? Will it be providers? Will it be foundations? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson speculate on, “Come for the Sunshine, Stay for the Polio,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Checking the Industry's Pulse After Epic's AI Announcement
Dominant EHR vendor Epic is going all in on AI-powered tools for patients, payers and providers. David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson debate who wins and who loses on, “Checking the Industry's Pulse after Epic's AI Announcement,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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After 60 Years, Let's Make Medicare and Medicaid Better for Consumers
Medicare and Medicaid turned 60 last month. What lessons have we learned to make the two massive government health insurance programs work better for consumers? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson reflect on, “After 60 Years, Let's Make Medicare and Medicaid Better for Consumers,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Are We Ready for HHS’s Version of a Health Tech Ecosystem?
David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson outlined the best case and worst case scenarios for the Department of Health and Human Services' plans to build connected health IT architecture on, “Are We Ready for HHS’s Version of a Health Tech Ecosystem?” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Boomers or Bust?
Julie Murchinson and special guest Mark Shaver from the University of Maryland Medical System talk about how health systems can meet the care needs of their growing senior patient populations on, “Boomers or Bust?” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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What Ever Happened to Antibiotic Stewardship?
A new report documents wide variations in antibiotic prescribing patterns by provider and setting. How can we get everyone on the same page to prevent antibiotic-resistant bacteria? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson break down the new report on, “What Ever Happened to Antibiotic Stewardship?” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Responding to the OBBB's Impact on Healthcare
If you ran a healthcare company or organization right now, what would you do to prepare for the fallout from the One Big Beautiful Bill Act? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson put themselves in your shoes on, “Responding to the OBBB's Impact on Healthcare,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Filling In the Patient Portal Blanks
A new report says patient portal use is up. David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson share their takeaways and talk about how to make them more useful and user-friendly for consumers on, “Filling In the Patient Portal Blanks,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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What the Future of Specialty Care Looks Like
What's the future of medical specialty care and medical specialists? Julie Murchinson and industry expert Dr. Molly Coye debate the possibilities on, “What the Future of Specialty Care Looks Like,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Who Will Feel the Impact of the Budget Bill?
Republicans lit the fuse and will run away. How should the healthcare market prepare for the blast? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchison discussed how the healthcare market should prepare itself on, “Who Will Feel the Impact of the Budget Bill?,” a special episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Providers, Public Health, and Sugary Drinks
How can providers and the public health system help parents get their children off the juice? David W. Johnson and special guest Ann Somers Hogg debate the roles of providers and the public health system to help on, “Providers, Public Health, and Sugary Drinks,” the latest episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda. Listen.Learn more about why America’s kids are drowning in sugar from Ann Somers Hogg and the Christensen Institute.
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Are You What Your Genetic Material Says You Are?
David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson revisit the collapse of 23andMe in light of the sale of the direct-to-consumer genetic testing company and the 25th anniversary of the Human Genome Project on this special episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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When Will AI Adoption by Providers Meet AI Acceptance by Patients?
Adoption of artificial intelligence tools by healthcare providers is growing. When will people start to adopt? 4sight Health’s David W. Johnson and Robert Pearl, M.D., former CEO of the Permanente Medical Group, debate the acceptance and adoption of artificial intelligence tools in healthcare by providers and patients on, “When Will AI Adoption by Providers Meet AI Acceptance by Patients?” this special episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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How to Stop Childhood Vaccine Rates From Dropping
A new study sounded the public health alarm bells on declining childhood vaccine rates. How can the private sector step up as the federal government abdicates its role? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson share their ideas on how to help reverse the trend on “How to Stop Childhood Vaccine Rates from Dropping,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Preventing Excess Deaths in the U.S.
A new study says the U.S. is racing ahead of other high-income countries in the number of "excess," or unnecessary deaths. David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson share their ideas on what the healthcare system do about it on, “Preventing Excess Deaths in the U.S.,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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CMMI Pursues an Ounce of Prevention
The new iteration of the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation promises to focus on health, not healthcare. Will its plans come to fruition? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson graded CMMI's new strategic direction on, “CMMI Pursues an Ounce of Prevention,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda
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Critiquing Trump's Latest Plan to Lower Drug Prices
Will Trump's executive order aimed at lowering drug prices for consumers be a ripple or a bang? David W. Johnson and Julie Murchinson debate the issue on, “Critiquing Trump's Latest Plan to Lower Drug Prices,” the new episode of the 4sight Health Roundup podcast, moderated by David Burda.
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Hal Andrews on the Biggest Trends Reshaping the Healthcare Economy
President and CEO of Trilliant Health Hal Andrews shares his biggest takeaways from Trilliant’s new report, 2024 Trends Shaping the Health Economy. What made him pessimistic? What made him optimistic? Find out, "How Healthcare Revolutionaries Think With Hal Andrews," on the 4sight Health Roundup podcast.
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Your best 20 minutes this week, where outcomes matter, customers count and value rules. Hear analysis of the crucial market-based healthcare news and speculation for the week ahead. The customer revolution in healthcare comes alive in this must-listen podcast for forward-thinking healthcare executives.David Burda, 4sight Health’s news editor, hosts with commentary from David Johnson, 4sight Health’s CEO, and Julie Murchinson, Partner at Transformation Capital. Join the Customer Revolution!Subscribe through your streaming service.Read more at https://www.4sighthealth.com/insights/
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