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5-4
by Prologue Projects
5-4 is a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. Hosted by Peter Shamshiri, Rhiannon Hamam, and Michael Liroff, it's a progressive and occasionally profane take on the ideological battles at the heart of the Court's most important landmark cases and an irreverent tour of all the ways in which the law is shaped by politics.Subscribe to our premium episodes & much more at fivefourpod.com/support5-4 is a production of Prologue Projects.
Episodes
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The Vindictive Prosecution of Ilhan Omar
On Monday, October 12th federal agents raided Representative Ilhan Omar’s home as part of an investigation aiming to denaturalize and deport her. This is really disgusting. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this episode ad-free and listen to…
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Department of Homeland Security v. D.V.D. (and Rhoney v. Barbosa de Cunha)
Deporting people to dangerous countries? Detaining them indefinitely without bond? Bad, actually. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this episode ad-free and listen to Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at...
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250 Years of Bad Decisions Pt. 2: The Law Was Never Neutral [TEASER]
In honor of America’s birthday, join Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael for part two of their Supreme Court retrospective. This time they track how the myth of judicial neutrality has haunted America for centuries. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and...
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De-Supremify the Supreme Court with Niko Bowie and Daphna Renan
Do we have to accept the Supreme Court as the final arbiter of constitutional meaning? Legal scholars Niko Bowie and Daphne Renan say no! They join the podcast to talk about their new book, Supremacy: How Rule by the Court Replaced Government by the People, which argues against “judicial…
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2026-2027 Supreme Court Term Preview
It’s fall and you know what that means: a chill is in the air and in Sam Alito’s heart. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this episode ad-free and listen to Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.…
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The Innocence Case from Hell with Josie Duffy Rice
Friend of the pod Josie Duffy Rice joins Peter and Michael to talk about her new podcast, The Backfire Effect. Her show digs into the case of Temujin Kensu, a man sentenced to life in prison for the murder of Scott Macklem. Has the wrong man been in prison this whole time? Listen to The Backfire...
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National Park Service v. National Trust for Historic Preservation
We have to let the President build a ninety thousand square feet of ballroom. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this episode ad-free and listen to Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support. 5-4 is...
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John Roberts is on Substack, U.S. Attorneys are Fake, and the DNC is a Scam [TEASER]
Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael dig into some recent headlines including plans to ban halal food in Texas, John Roberts’ Substack debut, the disturbing truth behind DNC spam texts, and more. Check out Adam Bonica’s investigation here. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every...
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NRSC v. FEC
Yet another opinion where the Supreme Court decides that money is speech and bribery doesn’t exist without a big sack of money. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at...
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Trump v. Slaughter (and Trump v. Cook)
Executive agencies are fake by the way… If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support. 5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by...
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Gambling Away the Future: Kalshi, SCOTUSBlog, and Trump’s Bet on the Midterms [SUBSCRIBER-ONLY]
Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael take a break from case law to discuss the possibility of stolen midterms, the evil lawyers defending Kalshi and Polymarket, and SCOTUSBlog’s subtle conservative makeover. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other...
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Mullin v. Doe
It’s not racist to think, act, and talk like a racist. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support. 5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode...
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West Virginia v. B.P.J.
The Supreme Court backs West Virginia in banning it's only openly trans student athlete from the girls cross country team. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, get access to our Slack community, and more, join at...
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The Legal Media is Still in Denial [SUBSCRIBER-ONLY]
Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael take a hard look at media coverage of this Supreme Court term. Thank you to our wonderful subscribers. 5 to 4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Allison Rodgers . Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter...
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Trump v. Barbara
Birthright citizenship, widely considered settled law before Trump tried to overturn it via executive order last year, escaped this term unscathed by one single vote. Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael explore the various mental illnesses, brainworms, and ahistorical nonsense that led to such a close...
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250 Years of Bad Decisions: SCOTUS, the Civil War, and the End of Reconstruction
In honor of America’s birthday, join Peter, Rhiannon, Michael and University of Pennsylvania Law Professor Kermit Roosevelt as they talk through how the Supreme Court greased the wheels for the end of Reconstruction and the rise of Jim Crow. Check out Kermit’s book The Nation That Never Was:...
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“The Most Destructive Chief Justice in My Lifetime”: Dissecting John Roberts with Lisa Graves
Rhiannon interviews Lisa Graves – right‑wing influence expert, former Justice Department official, co‑host of Legal AF, and founder of True North Research – about her latest book, Without Precedent: How Chief Justice Roberts and His Accomplices Rewrote the Constitution and Dismantled Our Rights....
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The Supreme Court v. The First Step Act
In two cases this term, federal inmates sought their freedom based on compassionate release, an early release process that was expanded under the 2018 First Step Act. The Supreme Court denied both requests. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and…
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Reform the Court and Your Love Life (Summer 2026 Mailbag) [TEASER]
The 5-4 team dreams up a bigger, better Supreme Court, gives advice to overachieving undergrads and late-blooming law students, and clears up confusion about Rhiannon’s finances. Thanks for all of your questions, and for being a Premium member! 5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode...
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California v. Greenwood
Raccoons are the police now. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support. 5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli...
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Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Chadha
In 1983, the Supreme Court declared the legislative veto unconstitutional, forever kneecapping Congress’ ability to check the executive branch. Now you have to learn about bicameralism and presentment. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other...
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Introducing: OnlyFantasy (Leon's New Podcast)
In this provocative investigation into OnlyFans— the adult platform where subscribers around the world spent more than $7 billion in 2024— the guy who reads the intros on 5-4 teams up with comedian and OnlyFans creator Gracie Canaan for a one-of-a-kind exploration into the current state of human...
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The People v. MrBeast [TEASER]
We made 3 legal podcasters watch Mr. Beast and now they think he’s the antichrist. If you're not a Patreon member, you're not hearing every episode! To get exclusive Patreon-only episodes, discounts on merch, access to our Slack community, and more, join at patreon.com/fivefourpod. 5-4 is…
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Louisiana v. Callais
The end of the Voting Rights Act, brought to you by the Supreme Court. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support. 5-4 is presented by Prologue…
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Brecht v. Abrahamson
You have the right to remain silent. Unless you are a gay ex-con from Wisconsin. Then you’re a Bad Boy™. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.…
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The Tea: Leaks, Gossip, and More Supreme Court Drama
Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael talk about the memos leaked to the New York Times, Sotomayor v. Kavanaugh, and the potential Supreme Court vibe shift. Remember, you can always leak to 5-4! Thank you to our subscribers. 5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers....
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Birthrights and Birthwrongs [TEASER]
Peter and Rhiannon revisit the oral arguments in Trump v. Barbara, aka the birthright citizenship case. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support. 5-4...
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Chiles v. Salazar
It’s your therapist’s sacred First Amendment right to give you medically discredited advice. Thank you to our subscribers. 5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our…
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Hudson v. Michigan
If we live in a multiverse, are your constitutional rights ever truly violated?? Thank you to our subscribers. 5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by…
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Dames & Moore v. Regan
A 1981 case about how the president doesn’t really have to follow the text of the law if Congress already let them ignore it. Oh yeah, and Iran is involved. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and…
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No War Is Illegal (When They All Are) [TEASER]
As President Trump leads the U.S. into his very own middle eastern war, now may be a good time to ask: what part of the government actually has the power to declare war? And why does this theoretically limited power get used…constantly? Countries around the world would love to know. If you're not…
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Learning Resources Inc. v. Trump
Is the Supreme Court’s decision on tariffs a declaration of independence?? Only three columnists at the New York Times can say. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at...
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Immigration Law in 2026: Fighting the Cruelty Machine
This week, Rhiannon and Michael talk to two immigration lawyers about what it’s like to practice under the second Trump administration, the unprecedented uncertainty their clients face, why habeas petitions are taking off, the freaks who become ICE lawyers and ICE judges, and why there’s...
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Meet Your Attorney General, Pam Bondi [TEASER]
Was she assembled in a lab by the Heritage Foundation? Summoned from beyond the veil by a MAGA demonologist? Or is she simply an emergent feature of Florida’s political swamp? Learn the history of your very angry Attorney General, Pam Bondi. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing...
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Pulsifer v. United States
What does “and” REALLY mean? If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support. 5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli...
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Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Delgado
The fourth amendment protects against unlawful searches and seizures…unless, of course, the search is just a friendly survey from your local armed immigration officer! If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our...
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2026 Mailbag: Is Any Of This Legal? [TEASER]
5-4 answers your questions about whether ICE agents can be prosecuted, why it’s worth knowing your rights, if the president can cancel the midterms and…whether there’s revolutionary potential in tax evasion. As always, this is not legal advice™. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not...
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The Rise and Fall of the Voting Rights Act, Part II
How the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was dismantled. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support. 5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was...
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The Rise and Fall of the Voting Rights Act, Part I
The history of why we needed (and still need) the Voting Rights Act of 1965. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.] 5-4 is presented by Prologue...
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The 2025 5-4 Giving Guide: Don’t Let the Fascists Keep You Down
https://immigrationequality.org/ bit.ly/donatepym2025 https://www.palestinianyouthmovement.com/ https://brigidalliance.org/donate-in-2025/ https://trees.org/ https://chuffed.org/project/158294-for-those-who-have-no-one-to-campaign-for-them...
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Movie Review: Average Joe [TEASER]
A movie about a dipshit who prays his way to the Supreme Court. It’s worse than you imagine. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at www.patreon.com/fivefourpod. 5-4 is...
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Trump v. Orr
Trans erasure. Anti-intellectualism. Culture war. Moral panic. These are a few of the Supreme Court’s favorite things! If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at...
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Fire at Will: Trump’s Illegal War in the Caribbean [TEASER]
These days, three degrees of separation from a drug dealer is all it takes to get you drone struck by the U.S. government in Venezuela. And look, maybe these extrajudicial killings aren’t exactly legal, but the bigger problem for all you sissy justice lovers out there is that this administration...
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Department of Homeland Security v. Thuraissigiam
*** An earlier version of this episode incorrectly referred to the asylum officers who conduct credible fear interviews as border patrol agents. *** If the government is acting all authoritarian-y, detaining you in violation of your rights, there’s a basic assumption in the Constitution that you...
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“What’s at Stake is Everything”: The Last Columbia Protester in ICE Detention
You've heard about all the Supreme Court cases about how immigration law is different, about how ICE's powers are different, about how the Trump administration can do whatever it wants…on this episode, Rhiannon talks to Leqaa Kordia's lawyers about what all this means for a Palestinian woman in…
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Garcetti v. Ceballos
The Supreme Court tramples upon your most sacred right: the right to complain about your co-workers. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support. 5-4 is...
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Panic! In The Federal Judiciary [TEASER]
You know things are really bad when federal judges–historically an extremely reticent group–are sounding the alarm about the chaos and confusion the Supreme Court is reaping these days. Never fear, Amy Coney Barrett is here to remind all of us that everything is fine, because the shadow docket is...
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Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Lopez-Mendoza
I think we can all agree that the Constitution guarantees every individual certain unalienable rights–oh wait, sorry, getting a call. Right. Sorry. Okay. Yea. Got it. Hey, so I think we can all agree that immigration law is different from other laws, and the Constitution doesn’t really apply…
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Rhiannon Interviews Mahmoud Khalil
On this episode of Popular Cradle, (Rhiannon’s other podcast!), she interviews Columbia grad student Mahmoud Khalil, who was detained by ICE for more than 100 days earlier this year. You can find Popular Cradle wherever you listen to podcasts. Our Sponsors: * Check out Mint Mobile and use my code...
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Department of State v. AIDS Vaccine Advocacy Coalition
Feels like we should be able to collectively wrestle with the problems of a system by which 14 million people will die in the next five years because one man can decide to withhold a bunch of money that Congress said needed to be spent, but unfortunately, because of the law, and what the law…
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5-4 is a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. Hosted by Peter Shamshiri, Rhiannon Hamam, and Michael Liroff, it's a progressive and occasionally profane take on the ideological battles at the heart of the Court's most important landmark cases and an irreverent tour of all the ways in which the law is shaped by politics.Subscribe to our premium episodes & much more at fivefourpod.com/support5-4 is a production of Prologue Projects.
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