Episodes
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#91: Holiday Spectacular & Paw & Order Finale!
Episode 91 of the Paw & Order episode doubles as our annual holiday special, as well as the bittersweet wrap up of the Paw & Order podcast, after four incredible years. In this episode, hosts Camille, Peter, and Jessica take part in their super fun annual 12 holiday “gifts” giveaway to deserving...
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#90: Court of Appeal Says Animals Are Sentient & Deserve Protection
In Episode 90 of the Paw & Order podcast, hosts Camille Labchuk and Peter Sankoff discuss the groundbreaking Alberta Court of Appeal decision in R v Chen, in which Animal Justice was an intervenor. The appeal involves the appropriate approach to sentencing in criminal animal cruelty cases. The...
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#89: Reporting for the Animals With Jane Dalton
In episode 89 of the Paw & Order podcast, Jessica Scott-Reid interviews Jane Dalton, a UK journalist who writes about animal issues at the Independent. Jessica and Jane discuss how Jane was able work with a major publication and report on animal welfare, giving animals a much-needed voice in the...
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#88: Seeking Legal Personhood for Animals
November 2, 2021 In episode 88 of Paw & Order, hosts Camille Labchuk and Jessica Scott-Reid dive into the concept of legal personhood for animals. Animals are primarily viewed as […]
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#87: The Good News Episode
October 19, 2021 In Episode 87 of the Paw & Order podcast, hosts Camille Labchuk and Jessica Scott-Reid dive into (mostly) good news stories for animals that are making major […]
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#86: LIVE from the 2021 Canadian Animal Law Conference!
This episode of the Paw & Order podcast is brought to you LIVE from the 2021 Canadian Animal Law Conference, which was held virtually from October 1-3, 2021! Just like last year's conference, hosts Camille Labchuk, Peter Sankoff, and Jessica Scott-Reid took this special opportunity to come…
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#85: Sentencing Violent Crimes Against Animals With Chris Rudnicki
Episode 85 of the Paw & Order podcast features an interview with lawyer Chris Rudnicki. Chris is representing Animal Justice in an important case about appropriate sentencing principles that apply in animal cruelty cases. The case is R v Chen, involving a man who pleaded guilty to violently beat...
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#84: Challenging Use of Fast-Growing Chicken Breeds With Edie Bowles
Episode 84 of the Paw & Order podcast features an interview with Edie Bowles, a solicitor and the co-founder of Advocates for Animals, the UK’s first-ever law firm dedicated to animal protection. Edie is currently representing the non-profit organization The Humane League in a groundbreaking case...
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#83: Who Gets the Dog? Pet Custody Case Makes Headlines
Episode 83 of the Paw & Order podcast features ALL three hosts: Camille Labchuk, Peter Sankoff, and Jessica Scott-Reid—who are back from their summer break! The show deep dives into an interesting dog custody case, Duboff v. Simpson, including some important comments made by the judge that could...
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#82: Animal Welfare & International Trade Law With Katie Sykes
In Episode 82 of the Paw & Order podcast, Camille Labchuk interviews Thompson Rivers University Associate Professor of Law Katie Sykes about her new book, Animal Welfare and International Trade Law: The Impact of the WTO Seal Case. Katie discusses the history of the World Trade Organization and…
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#81: Deceptive “Meatsplaining” With Dr. Jason Hannan
Episode 81 of the Paw & Order podcast is hosted by Jessica Scott-Reid and guest co-host Kaitlyn Mitchell, a staff lawyer at Animal Justice. In this episode, Jessica and Kaitlyn interview Dr. Jason Hannan, a professor at the University of Winnipeg, and the co-chair of Winnipeg VegFest. They…
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#80: Exposing the Legal Wildlife Trade With Casey Bond
June 1, 2021 In Episode 80 of the Paw & Order podcast, Camille Labchuk interviews Casey Bond, the communications manager at the animal advocacy research non-profit Faunalytics, to discuss their groundbreaking […]
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#79: Replacing Animal Use in Science With Dr. Charu Chandrasekera
In Episode 79 of the Paw & Order podcast, co-hosts Camille Labchuk and Jessica Scott-Reid speak with Dr. Charu Chandrasekera. Dr. Chandrasekera is the founder of the Canadian Centre for Alternatives to Animal Methods (CCAAM) at Windsor University, an internationally recognized research centre...
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#78: Big Animal News Stories You Need to Know About
In Episode 78 of the Paw & Order podcast, Camille Labchuk and Peter Sankoff go deep into top stories that are affecting animals right now from both Canada and across the globe. This include an exciting new announcement from the Canadian government that it will be moving away from toxicity tests…
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#77: Exposing Egg Industry Mass Killings With Brittany Semeniuk
Episode 77 of the Paw & Order podcast is co-hosted by Jessica Scott-Reid along with a special guest co-host, Kaitlyn Mitchell, who's a staff lawyer at Animal Justice. Jessica and Kaitlyn dive into pressing news involving animals, including an animal advocate being acquitted of a criminal charge...
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#76: Vaccines, Animal Testing, & Ethics
In Episode 76 of the Paw & Order podcast, co-hosts Camille Labchuk and Jessica Scott-Reid deep dive into the ethics of getting vaccines that have been tested on animals—which is an especially hot (and rightfully sensitive) topic as we grapple with the global pandemic. They discuss why animal...
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#75: Dog Abuse Cases Making Headlines
In episode 75 of the Paw & Order podcast, co-hosts Camille Labchuk and Peter Sankoff give an analysis of three Canadian dog abuse cases that are making headlines right now. This includes a case from Newfoundland involving man who was acquitted of cruelty charges because the court ruled he didn’t...
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#74: Tackling Factory Farms in Prisons, With Calvin Neufeld & Dr. Amy Fitzgerald
Episode 74 of the Paw & Order podcast features an in-depth interview with Calvin Neufeld, the founder of Evolve Our Prison Farms, and Dr. Amy Fitzgerald, a criminologist, expert in using prison labour in animal agriculture, and an associate professor with the department of sociology…
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#73: Marcelo Rodriguez Ferrere on Animal Law Underenforcement
February 19, 2021 In this episode of the Paw & Order podcast, Camille Labchuk and Peter Sankoff catch up on what’s new, including Peter planning to attend an Animal Justice […]
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#72: Vegan Food & Rescued Dogs With Pro CFL Player John Rush
Episode 72 of the Paw & Order podcast features an exciting and energetic interview with vegan CFL player John Rush, who plays with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. Because of the pandemic, the Blue Bombers haven’t been able to play this year, but John hasn’t missed a beat. He’s been using his free time...
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#71: Adventures of a Farm Animal Protection Lawyer With Peter Brandt
January 22, 2021 It’s the three-year anniversary of the Paw & Order podcast! Thanks so much to our listeners for tuning in and for supporting the show. You’re the reason […]
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#70: Kimberly Carroll Introduces the Animal Justice Academy
In Episode 70 of the Paw & Order podcast, Camille Labchuk and Jessica Scott-Reid speak with Kimberly Carroll, Animal Justice's Communications Strategist and on the Board of Directors. Kimberly announces an exciting new initiative: The Animal Justice Academy! The Animal Justice Academy is a…
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#69: Holiday SPECTACULAR!
Welcome to the Paw & Order holiday spectacular—featuring all three hosts, Camille Labchuk, Peter Sankoff, and Jessica Scott-Reid! In this special holiday episode, the hosts give out 12 “gifts” to worthy people, groups and animals. This is one of our funnest and most energetic episodes yet!
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#68: Jane Goodall Act Will Outlaw Captivity of Great Apes & Elephants
In Episode 68 of the Paw & Order podcast, co-hosts Camille Labchuk and Peter Sankoff discuss an exciting new Senate bill called the Jane Goodall Act, that would outlaw the captivity of great apes and elephants, shut down the ivory trade, and give some animals legal representation in court. This...
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#67: Lesley Fox on Minks, COVID-19, & the End of Fur
Episode 67 of Paw & Order features an in-depth interview with Lesley Fox, executive director of The Fur-Bearers, who is one of Canada's most knowledgeable and dedicated anti-fur voices. Lesley and Camille discuss troubling COVID-19 mutations found in mink farms, companies dropping fur, cities...
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#66: Dr. Pamela Fergusson on Deceitful Dairy Propaganda
Camille interviews plant-based dietician Dr. Pamela Fergusson to discuss Big Dairy propaganda, a new TVO partnership with Dairy Farmers of Ontario, and overall government support for this unhealthy, unsustainable, inhumane, and increasingly irrelevant industry.
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#65: Debunking “Kiss the Ground” with Nicholas Carter
Jessica speaks with environmental researcher Nicholas to discuss the documentary, “Kiss the Ground” to debunk regenerative agriculture and “holistic” cow grazing as a viable solution to climate change. We need to move away from animal farming all together to combat the climate crisis!
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#64: Matthew Liebman on How Justice the Horse Sued His Former Owner
October 2, 2020 This episode of the Paw & Order podcast kicks off with a recap of the online Canadian Animal Law Conference, which was a smashing success! A reminder […]
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#63: LIVE From the Online Canadian Law Conference!
This episode of the Paw & Order podcast is brought to you LIVE from the online Canadian Animal Law Conference! For the first time ever, hosts Camille Labchuk, Peter Sankoff, and Jessica Scott-Reid come together to host an exciting show.
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#62: Animal Cruelty Cover-Up Laws Continue to Spread
Camille Labchuk and Jessica Scott-Reid give an update on ag gag laws in Canada, including police handing out tickets to protesters outside of Fearmans Pork slaughterhouse, Ontario releasing info on draft regulations for ag gag Bill 156, a new provision under the bill going into effect that now...
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#61: Animals as Victims of Crime
Peter and Camille discuss legal efforts aimed at having animals considered to be victims of crimes, with the ability to provide a victim impact statement in court. The hosts debate whether this move is merely symbolic, or whether it advances protections for animals in a meaningful way.
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#60: Meat Industry Backlash
Camille Labchuk and Jessica Scott-Reid dive into the aftermath of Regan Russell’s death, and the reaction from farmers and truckers.
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#59: No Criminal Charges for Trucker Who Killed Regan Russell
Hosts Peter & Camille are back at it after a short summer vacation! There's a lot of animal news in the headlines, so this episode breaks it down. We discuss: Canadian Animal Law Conference tickets are now available, why no criminal charges were laid against the driver who ran down and killed...
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#58: Dr. Marc Bekoff Talks Animal Sentience
This episode is dedicated to animal advocate Regan Russell, who was tragically run over and killed by a transport truck bringing pigs to be killed the at Fearmans Pork slaughterhouse in Burlington, Ontario. Regan regularly attended vigils outside the slaughterhouse with the Animal Save Movement,...
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#57: Animal Rights Journalism with Writer Jessica Scott-Reid
Camille is joined by special guest host Jessica Scott-Reid, Canada's most prolific journalist covering animal protection issues. Jessica speaks about her work writing about animal rights and issues, how she got onto the animal beat, the importance of getting stories about animals into mainstream...
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#56: 14 Years of Animal Law – a Conversation with Siobhan O’Sullivan
In this episode, we welcome Peter Sankoff back to the co-host chair after some time off. Peter also brings listeners as a special interview with Australia-based Siobhan O'Sullivan, host of the Knowing Animals podcast. Peter and Siobhan discuss how animal law and animal studies have grown in the...
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#55: Canada Shouldn’t Bail Out Slaughterhouses & Factory Farms
Camille Labchuk and guest co-host Kaitlyn Mitchell delve deeply into Animal Justice's request that governments deny bailout funding to factory farms and slaughterhouses, and instead fund a transition to a more resilient, plant-based agriculture system that's also more pandemic-proof....
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#54: COVID-19 Shuts Down Slaughterhouses, Sickens Workers
Camille and Katie Sykes dive into the massive COVID-19 outbreaks at slaughterhouses in Canada and south of the border. Animals aren't the only victims of slaughterhouses—the meat industry also treats workers abysmally. Slaughterhouses are already one of the most dangerous workplaces imaginable…
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#53: Kendra Coulter On Tiger King, Covid, & Our Blatant Disrespect for Animals
Hosts Camille and Peter sit down for a fascinating interview with professor Kendra Coulter of Brock University. The wide-ranging discussion covers her important empirical research on animal law enforcement models, and her recent op ed on why our obsession with Tiger King says a lot about how...
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#52: How Will COVID-19 Affect Animals?
The COVID-19 pandemic originated from human use of wild animals, and it will have an immediate and lasting impact on many more species of animals. Hosts Peter & Camille go over some of the recent animal law developments in Canada and abroad, including a cow slaughter plant shut-down after a…
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#51: Eating & Using Animals Keeps Breeding Deadly New Viruses
There's only one thing on everyone's mind right now: the novel coronavirus health crisis. Hosts Peter and Camille discuss how their lives have changed and what this means for Animal Justice, including the postponement of our April 25 benefit gala. More than ever before, the coronavirus is…
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#50: Interview with Emma Hurst from Australia’s Animal Justice Party
It’s the 50th episode of the Paw & Order podcast! In this episode, Camille sits down with Animal Justice Party MP Emma Hurst, serving in the Upper House of New South Wales Parliament, Australia. Emma is one of three MPs with the Animal Justice Party giving a much-needed political voice for animals.
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#49: Beyond Cages with Professor Justin Marceau
In this episode, Peter sits down with Professor Justin Marceau of the Sturm College of Law at the University of Denver. The two discuss Professor Marceau's recent book Beyond Cages, which critiques the US animal rights movement's historical emphasis on cruelty prosecutions and punishment, and...
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#48: Death Row Dog Named Punky Loses Last Appeal
February 7, 2020 In Episode 48, Peter & Camille discuss the case of Punky Santics, an Australian cattle dog on death row who lost a bid to appeal to Canada’s […]
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#47: Interview with New Zealand’s Marcelo Rodriguez Ferrere
Happy new year! We're excited to kick off 2020 by announcing that Paw & Order won a prestigious Best Podcast award from the Clawbies: Canadian Law Blog Awards. In this episode, hosts Peter and Camille bring you the latest news on Bill 156, Ontario's proposed 'ag gag' law, a huge win for vegans in...
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#46: 12 Days of Christmas Holiday Special!
December 20, 2019 Welcome to the first-ever Paw & Order holiday special! Hosts Peter and Camille get into Santa mode in this episode, giving out animal law-themed “gifts” to people, […]
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#45: Ag Gag Laws Come to Canada
December 6, 2019 Ag gag laws have come to Canada. In an effort to conceal animal cruelty on farms, some provinces have begun passing dangerous legislation designed to keep abuse […]
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#44: Animal Law in Austria, with Martina Pluda
In Episode 44 of Paw & Order, Peter interviews Martina Pluda, animal law scholar and head of Four Paws International Austria. Martina recently spoke at the Canadian Animal Law Conference about some of the incredible legal progress for animals that she has made in Austria and Europe, and her...
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#43: Ontario PAWS Act Brings in Public Animal Law Enforcement System
In Episode 43, hosts Peter and Camille discuss some big animal law news: Ontario is moving toward the country's first fully-public animal welfare law enforcement system. Learn why the Provincial Animal Welfare Services (PAWS) Act, could hold real promise for animals, as the hosts go over the...
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#42: Pet Custody Rules & Post-Conference Catch-Up
Hosts Peter and Camille catch up on the Canadian Animal Law Conference, Animal Justice's recent court cases, and what the federal election results mean for animals. For our main segment, you'll enjoy listening to an interview with Professor Jodi Lazare of
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