Bestek - de Aanbestedingspodcast

In deze aflevering bespreken Matanja en Willem de hervorming van de aanbestedingsrichtlijnen. De Europese Commissie lijkt eind juni te komen met een voorstel voor nieuwe aanbestedingsregels. De vraag die momenteel speelt is of dat wel richtlijnen blijven. Mogelijk worden het wel verordeningen. Waar komt deze discussie vandaan? Waarom zou er gekozen kunnen worden voor een verandering van het wetgevende instrument? Deze vragen staan centraal in deze aflevering.

In this episode, Marta Andhov talks with Dominic Dagbanja - a senior law lecturer and researcher (University of Western Australia) specialising in international investment law and in the consequences of investment and trade treaties for public interest regulation. They start by pointing out to practical relevance of knowing about the intersection of public procurement and free trade agreements. Further, they meticulously discuss the issue of balancing between free trade and sustainability considerations. In addition to this, they also geek out on the topic of never more frequent incorporation of public procurement provisions in free trade agreements. For dessert, they share their experiences of living the lives of academic nomads.

In deze aflevering spreekt Willem met mr. dr. Sophie Prent over haar onderzoek naar de redelijk handelende aanbesteder. Ze bespreken de rol van de aanbestedende dienst ten aanzien van twee belangrijke thema’s: herstel van fouten en de voortijdige beëindiging van een aanbesteding. Wanneer kan of moet herstel of beëindiging plaatsvinden? Is het aanbestedingsrecht toch formaliteitenrecht? Wat moet er anders in de toekomst?

Alexander Klein Hofmeijer in gesprek met Matanja over prijsstijgingen, levering van energie en de sancties tegen Rusland (Gazprom).

In deze aflevering spreekt Willem met mr. Georg Huith (Croon Advocaten) over de vraag wat de rechtsgevolgen zijn van een overeenkomst die in strijd met de uitspraak Didam is gesloten. Is het nietigheid of vernietigbaarheid? Ze bespreken recente jurisprudentie over deze vraag en bediscussiëren de gevolgen voor de praktijk.

In this Bestek podcast episode, Marta and Willem discuss proportionality (the Dutch way) and edited volumes. First, they start by explaining why the proportionality principle is essential in the EU and public procurement law context. Further, they dig into the Dutch proportionality guide. They focus on discussing its purpose, legal standing and content. For the dessert, the hosts talk about the challenges of managing multi-contributor volumes.

`In this episode, Willem and Marta discuss the Foreign Subsidies Regulation and it's impact on public procurement. How will this new regulation affect public procurement procedures? What are initial discussion points? And how could they be resolved? For desert, they discuss events after the pandemic. What are relevant choices in organising events in this new era?

Hoogleraar aanbestedingsrecht Pieter Kuypers is te gast bij Matanja en spreekt met hem over de FSR. Wat is het doel van de FSR en wat gaan we ervan merken?

In this podcast episode, Marta and Willem discuss CJEU Judgments in Sanresa (C-295/20) and Klaipėdos (C-927/19). In doing so, they pay special attention to Article 58 of Directive 2014/24/EU, the Court's differentiation between technical specification, selection criteria and contract performance conditions, and the differentiation between economic standing and the ability to pursue professional activity within the selection criteria. For the dessert, the hosts talk about levelling the playing field in academia by acknowledging privilege.

Matanja en Willem spreken met elkaar over het artikel dat Willem schreef voor het Tijdschrift Aanbestedingsrecht & Staatssteun samen met Fenna Faaij, Ruben Silva Kas en Julian Geraedts over het Internationaal Aanbestedingsintrument (IPI). De IPI moet ervoor zorgen dat ondernemingen uit derde landen (zoals China) minder voet aan de grond krijgen bij Europese aanbestedingen, zo lang Europese ondernemingen worden geweerd in die derde landen. Matanja en Willem bespreken de gevolgen van de recente inwerkingtreding van de IPI en wensen de luisteraars prettige feestdagen.

Matanja en Willem spreken met elkaar over het artikel dat Willem schreef voor het Tijdschrift Aanbestedingsrecht & Staatssteun samen met Fenna Faaij, Ruben Silva Kas en Julian Geraedts over het Internationaal Aanbestedingsintrument (IPI). De IPI moet ervoor zorgen dat ondernemingen uit derde landen (zoals China) minder voet aan de grond krijgen bij Europese aanbestedingen, zo lang Europese ondernemingen worden geweerd in die derde landen. Matanja en Willem bespreken de gevolgen van de recente inwerkingtreding van de IPI en wensen de luisteraars prettige feestdagen.

In this episode of Bestek, the public procurement podcast, Willem and Marta discuss reserved procedures and the ASADE (C‑436/20) and Conacee (C-598/19) Judgements in the context of socially responsible public procurement. They focus on two explicitly legislated reserve procedures - those for sheltered workshops and social enterprises - and discuss how these procedures fit into the broader context of public procurement law. They also address the fear and risks associated with providing preferential treatment to certain groups in society. For the dessert, the hosts discuss their roles as academics and the importance of independence in their work.

In this episode, Marta and Willem dig into the Clean Vehicles Directive and its implications for public procurement. In doing so, they put it into the context of the EU Green Deal. They also briefly touch on the specificities of the CV Directive and its revision. Most importantly, they emphasize first sectoral mandatory sustainable criteria imposed on public procurers and economic operators. Additionally, they discuss the changing roles of public procurers and the need for an additional set of knowledge due to sustainability efforts. For the dessert, they advise how to approach choosing the publication language by considering their target audience and evaluations.

In deze aflevering spreken Matanja én Willem met mr. dr. Gerrieke Bouwman over haar proefschrift, waarin zij onderzoek deed naar de scheidslijnen tussen juridische instrumenten voor de uitbesteding van zorg. De discussie gaat in op haar aanbevelingen, het ASADE arrest, de bredere relevantie, en meer.

Anne Fischer, oud-voorzitter, spreekt met Matanja over de Commissie van Aanbestedingsexperts. Ze blikken terug, maar kijken ook vooruit naar de nieuwe rol die de Commissie gaat vervullen. In deze podcast komen verschillende adviezen van de Commissie voorbij en bespreekt Anne de wijze waarop adviezen tot stand komen. Kritiek op de Commissie wordt ook besproken.

In this episode, Marta, Willem, and their guest, dr. Rasmus Horskjær Nielsen discuss award criteria and evaluation methods in public procurements. In doing so, Rasmus explains the difference between relevant and controllable competition concepts. In addition, they debate whether there is such a thing as objective criteria For the dessert, you can hear what Rasmus would do differently if he did his PhD again. 

EPISODE 21 - Transcript Willem Janssen 0:00 Welcome to Bestek, the public procurement Podcast. Today, we'll be talking about modification of construction contracts: A contract or procurement perspective? About Bestek 0:15 Welcome to Bestek, the public procurement podcast. In this podcast, Dr Willem Janssen and Dr Marta Andhov discuss public procurement law issues, their love of food and academic life. In each episode, Willem, Marta and their guests search for answers to intriguing public procurement questions. This is Bestek. Let's dish up public procurement law. Willem Janssen 0:40 So quite an episode today again. It's three of us again. Welcome Ole to the podcast. Ole Hansen 0:46 Thank you. Willem Janssen 0:47 Welcome Marta. Marta Andhov 0:48 Hello, hello. Willem Janssen 0:49 This is a very formal way of doing this. Let's get started. At least all the listeners who have gotten used to our rambling and our voices. And it's a pleasure actually to have Ole here today. We're talking to Ole Hansen, he is the co-founder of the Centre for Private Governance, CEPRI , if I pronounced that correctly, at the University of Copenhagen where we're still recording on-site here today and he's conducting research within private law with a special focus on private actors undertaking public tasks. And we're talking to him today, as a Danish construction law expert. I'm sure you do a lot more things but that was the reason partially why we invited you here today. So, it's a pleasure to have you. And, we'll be digging into modification of construction contracts and we'll be looking at how EU public procurement law and the concept of modification can sometimes cause tension with national construction practices, but also construction law. So that's what's on the menu for today's episode. And of course, we will also be looking at dessert. I think dessert's a little bit different than what it is normally today, but I'll leave that as a teaser. So, just to get you off to a good start, although, of course, Marta and I agree that public procurement is the nemesis, the starting point, the epicentre of the world; but in your research on contract and construction law, is public procurement the entree, the main or the dessert, or is it just an appetizer? Marta Andhov 2:25 Or something that you try to stay away as much as you can? Ole Hansen 2:29 Yeah. Well, as for my sake, I've been specialized in construction contract law. And of course, that's about how transactions between employers and contractors are entered into and carried through during the construction process. That leaves out the question of actually how, what were the pre-contractual aspects and what was the pre-contractual regulation. This difference between public entities and private entities where private entities can enter into even major construction contracts as they want to, whereas public entities underlie the procurement law regime. The most tempting part for a construction contract lawyer is trying to avoid the question of whether there's actually an interplay between the procurement law rules, the public law rules, and contract law rules. But you can't really avoid it, can you? Because evidently, procurement law kind of frames or underlines the public contracts. So, you have, at least in my opinion, you have to some extent to consider whether there is in fact an interaction between public procurement law and private law. Willem Janssen 4:08 It sounds like we're talking to someone that has had come to terms with the fact that you have to deal with public procurement law, whether you like it or not. I heard words of like, you can't avoid it, or something like that. So that means that it's kind of maybe perhaps a side dish, but not often the most delicious side effect. Is that a fair conclusion? Ole Hansen 4:28 If you can leave it out and not order it. Marta Andhov 4:31 You probably want to do that. Willem Janssen 4:34 Alright. Ole Hansen 4:36 At least from a theoretical point of view, I think the practitioners, the corporate lawyers see it another way. Willem Janssen 4:44 All right. Thank you so much for that. Let's wait and we'll see if we can make that dish a bit more tasty, I think, during the episode, right? So, let's buckle down a bit more on content, but not before I actually introduced that a little bit in terms of the reason why we're here with three of us today. Because Marta and you're working on a research paper concerning the intersection between construction law, contract modification and procurement law. In today's episode, we'll be highlighting some of those topics that you'll be addressing in the paper. So, it's kind of like a teaser, right? It's more of an appetizer, a teaser to whatever will come in the future. And on top of that, it's also, I think, a lead-up to a project that Marta is leading, the PurpLE Project , in which I'm also involved, and Ole as well. So perhaps, why this topic? Maybe we can talk about relevance a little bit. Why did you start this research paper? And why are we, the three of us, endeavouring on this, this bigger research project? Marta Andhov 5:49 So, to give you context, PurpLE is Purchase Power, Sustainable Public Procurement through Private Law Enforcement. Willem Janssen 5:56 That was in one go! Marta Andhov 5:58 That was the long name. But to be honest, to be very honest, the idea for this came out of our many, many conversations with Ole over the years that we had the chance to collaborate. We always, so to speak, buckled heads a little bit in a very obviously friendly way. But pointing out that the contract seems to be such a defining moment because we care so much about what happens before the contract. Ole cares very much about what happens after the contract. Then time and time again starting with our first research project with Professor Steen Treumer and our first publication, we really saw that there are many, many aspects between private law and procurement law, that somehow are in conflict and are not really researched. That led to us being able to obtain the funding for this project and that we'll be working on going forward. Then also having you of course, because the Netherlands is having the same approach, which is that public contract is regulated by private law after the contract is conducted. So that gives you a lot of contexts, I think, for our today’s podcast, but also going forward because it just first is just to kind of get everyone interested in what we will be doing for next two, three years. There'll be many, many more on how all this pre-contractual process impacts and how it can impact, what are also the limitations of what you can do in the post-contractual stage when private contract law rules, the legal framework. But that is a broad context of the project. Willem Janssen 7:39 It's a project that I'm very excited to be part of. One, because I think it's so fundamental, right? It's a bit of a, well, I wouldn't say traditional because that starts to sound boring, but like, it's this EU law of focus and the influence of EU law on national practices, right? And on national law. So, there's really that dynamic there. Also, because it leads to real-world problems, right? There are problems that come up in construction sites where you bump into, and I think that's also where the not-so-tasty side dish, introduction from Ole came from. So yeah, let's see. So, like I said, a bit of a teaser. Today, we'll be talking about modification of contracts, and particularly focusing on the Danish construction context, but I'm sure actually for those tuning in from other jurisdictions from Europe or from all over the world that these issues would arise in other member states as well. I know for sure that they arise in the Netherlands as well. So, if that's a setup for other countries and relevance… Marta Andhov 8:38 …let us know. Willem Janssen 8:38 Yeah, for sure. So, let's move on to our main. Marta Andhov 8:42 Yes. Willem Janssen 8:43 Contract modifications under the public procurement rules... Of course, we've talked about it a bit prior to recording, but let's get our listeners in tune as well. We're talking about the modification of the contract. We start with the Directive and maybe I can pass it to you then Marta. Marta Andhov 8:56 Sure. So, I will lay down in a couple of words the regulatory perspective of procurement and then we will ask Ole to tell us what is really the problem in practice and what are his thoughts on this conflict, somehow this tumultuous relationship. So, the modification of contracts is regulated under Article 72 of the Classic Directive, and we know from 72, which codifies broadly Pressetext case , and Finn Frogne to a certain extent. The opportunity of modifying public contracts without the need to re-tender is fairly limited. We got a catalogue of modifications there are defined as non-substantial and these ones are the ones related to the existence of a very clear and unequivocal (that's a difficult word in English) review clause. We need some additional work or services or supplies from the original contractor and there are terms and conditions we need to fulfil. We also have the force majeure. We have the so-called de minimis change and specific circumstances for the change of the contractor. I think those are all if I remember correctly, and then we have paragraph 4 of Article 72, which is a codification of Pressetext and specifically gives us a definition of what is a material change. So, this is the space in which we are existing, ultimately, leading to the fact that there is a fairly limited opportunity to modify contracts without the need for re-tendering. Ole, tell us from your perspective, from your experience, you also have a very broad experience of collaborating with practitioners, where...

In deze aflevering spreekt Willem met prof.Fredo Schotanus die recentelijk zijn oratie hield aan de Universiteit Utrecht.. Ze spreken van het verleden, heden en de toekomst. Waarom begint een betere wereld eigenlijk bij publieke inkoop? Hoe kunnen we de duurzaamheidstransitie versnellen? Wat te doen met inkoopbeleid, inkoopproces en inkooptechniek? En wat is de rol van het aanbestedingsrecht? Deze vragen staan centraal in deze aflevering.

In deze aflevering spreekt Willem met Jørgen den Houting (Rozemond Advocaten) over abnormaal lage inschrijvingen als duurzaamheidsverplichting. Wanneer is sprake van een abnormaal lage inschrijving? Welke rol speelt duurzaamheid als verplichting in dit kader? Hoe is dit geimplementeerd? En: hoe verhoudt de Nederlandse rechtspraak zich tot de Europese eisen? Deze vragen en het antwoord erop worden besproken in deze aflevering.

In this episode, Willem & Marta welcome guest Dr. Alexandra Andov and discuss the topic of digital technologies and contract management. They explore the distinctions between contract formation and contract execution, as well as the use of digital technologies in the management phase, such as negotiation, electronic signatures, computational contracts, and transparency. For dessert, they open up about their own experience in becoming Associate professors by sharing one aspect that has changed since.

In deze aflevering spreekt Matanja met Greetje Fimerius. Greetje trad op als de advocate van Damen in een zaak die aanbestedingsrechtelijk veel stof deed opwaaien. Deze aflevering gaat over de invloed van dat 'Damen-vonnis' op de aanbestedingspraktijk. Greetje bespreekt eerst de relevante feiten, en gaat daarna in op de volgende vragen: is dit vonnis breed toepasbaar? Welke verplichtingen voor aanbestedende diensten volgen uit dit vonnis? Geeft de voorzieningenrechter een goede overmachtsregeling? Wat betekent dit vonnis voor de wezenlijke wijzigings-problematiek rond overmacht als gevolg van de Oekraïne-oorlog?

In this episode, Willem & Marta discuss both the differences and analogies between framework agreements and public contracts. They delve into the national case law and highlight practical issues arising from this differentiation. For the dessert, they tackle the question of how to deal with the criticism in Academia and give advice on how to give constructive feedback.

In deze aflevering spreekt Willem met mr. Lennard Michaux en mr. Joris Gruyters (beide KU Leuven) over gunnen op levenscycluskosten en hun voorstel voor een algemene richtlijn op dit gebied. Hoe werkt en werkte dit in de Richtlijn Schone Voertuigen? Wat kan er beter qua regulering op dit gebied?

In deze aflevering spreekt Willem met Lennard Michaux en Joris Gruyters (beide KU Leuven) over gunnen op levenscycluskosten en hun voorstel voor een algemene richtlijn op dit gebied. Hoe werkt en werkte dit in de Richtlijn Schone Voertuigen? Wat kan er beter qua regulering op dit gebied?

In deze aflevering spreekt Willem met Lennard Michaux en Joris Gruyters (beide KU Leuven) over gunnen op levenscycluskosten en hun voorstel voor een algemene richtlijn op dit gebied. Hoe werkt en werkte dit in de Richtlijn Schone Voertuigen? Wat kan er beter qua regulering op dit gebied?

In this episode, Willem and Marta discuss the role of public procurement law in the development towards more servitization. They also touch upon the problems that arise due to servitization trends and how to solve them. For dessert, they discuss all male panels in academia ('manels').

Will our future economy move from buying products to purchasing services? In this episode, Willem and Marta discuss the role of public procurement law in the development towards more servitisation. For dessert, they discuss all male panels in academia ('manels').

In this episode, Marta and Willem discuss sustainable food procurement. They focus on current problems with food systems and the importance of food. Furthermore, they dig into the legal difficulties public procurers face when they attempt to buy sustainably. Some of the pain points they discuss are certification, localism, freshness requirements, seasonality, and promotion of small farmers and SMEs. For the dessert, they advise on how to track research progress.

In deze aflevering spreekt Matanja met Geke Werkman-Bouwkamp, één van de drie leden van de Commissie van Aanbestedingsexperts. In het eerste deel van het gesprek gaat Geke dieper in op de onlangs gepubliceerde Handreiking Klachtafhandeling bij Aanbesteden. Vervolgens bespreekt Geke de huidige gang van zaken bij de Commissie van Aanbestedingsexperts en schetst ze de toekomst van de Commissie naar aanleiding van de brief van de staatssecretaris van Economische Zaken en Klimaat van 12 februari 2021. De Commissie adviseert in de toekomst binnen een termijn van 14 dagen!

In deze aflevering spreekt Matanja met Geke Werkman-Bouwkamp, één van de drie leden van de Commissie van Aanbestedingsexperts.In het eerste deel van het gesprek gaat Geke dieper in op de onlangs gepubliceerde Handreiking Klachtafhandeling bij Aanbesteden.Vervolgens bespreekt Geke de huidige gang van zaken bij de Commissie van Aanbestedingsexperts en schetst ze de toekomst van de Commissie naar aanleiding van de brief van de staatssecretaris van Economische Zaken en Klimaat van 12 februari 2021. De Commissie adviseert in de toekomst binnen een termijn van 14 dagen!

In this episode, Marta and Willem explore competitive obligations outside the Classic Directive. They focus on a recent Dutch Supreme Court case of Didam in which the equality and transparency principles were deemed to apply to the sale of land by a Dutch municiplatie. This has led to a plethora of legal questions in the Dutch context. Their call to action: is the sale of law distributed competitively in your MS? For dessert, they consider the importance of networking for academics.

In this episode, Marta and Willem explore competitive obligations outside the Classic Directive. They focus on a recent Dutch Supreme Court case of Didam in which the equality and transparency principles were deemed to apply to the sale of land by a Dutch municiplatie. This has led to a plethora of legal questions in the Dutch context. Their call to action: is the sale of law distributed competitively in your MS? For dessert, they consider the importance of networking for academics.

In this episode, Marta and Willem explore competitive obligations outside the Classic Directive. They focus on a recent Dutch Supreme Court case of Didam in which the equality and transparency principles were deemed to apply to the sale of land by a Dutch municiplatie. This has led to a plethora of legal questions in the Dutch context. Their call to action: is the sale of law distributed competitively in your MS? For dessert, they consider the importance of networking for academics.

In this episode, Willem & Marta discuss access to public contracts for citizens' initiatives and social enterprises. They delve into the hurdles they face, the legal possibilities for contracting authorities to stimulate them, and future options to extend those options. For the finale, they discuss how to conference.

In deze aflevering spreekt Willem met Annemarie Drahmann (Universiteit Leiden) over het recente HR arrest Didam. Ze bediscussiëren de gevolgen van dit arrest, en de uitbreiding van competitieve verplichtingen van overheidsopdrachten, naar vergunningen en nu naar de uitgifte van grond.

In deze aflevering spreekt Willem met Annemarie Drahmann (Universiteit Leiden) over het recente HR arrest Didam. Ze bediscussiëren de gevolgen van dit arrest, en de uitbreiding van competitieve verplichtingen van overheidsopdrachten, naar vergunningen en nu naar de uitgifte van grond.

In deze aflevering spreekt Matanja met mr. Tom Oudenhoven, advocaat in dienstbetrekking bij ProRail. In inkoopomvang is ProRail de tweede inkoper van Nederland.

In this episode, Marta and Willem discuss the role of objectives in public procurement law.Is the objective of ‘public procurement’ and objective of ‘public procurement law’ the same? How does the EU objective relate to national objectives? And: why should we care about them for the sake of interpretation? For dessert they talk about social media and academic life.

In this episode, Marta and Willem discuss the role of objectives in public procurement law. Is the objective of ‘public procurement’ and the objective of ‘public procurement law’ the same? How does the EU objective relate to national objectives? And: why should we care about them for the sake of interpretation? For dessert, they talk about social media and academic life.

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In deze aflevering spreekt Willem met dr. Lizet Kuitert (EUR) over haar proefschrift onderzoek over opdrachtgeverschap en waardenconflicten in de bouw. Ze praten over olifantenpaadjes, de theorie en de praktijk met een focus hoe waarden als duurzaamheid en prijs een rol spelen in het aanbestedingsproces.

In deze aflevering spreekt Willem met dr. Lizet Kuitert (EUR) over haar proefschrift onderzoek over opdrachtgeverschap en waardenconflicten in de bouw. Ze praten over olifantenpaadjes, de theorie en de praktijk met een focus hoe waarden als duurzaamheid en prijs een rol spelen in het aanbestedingsproces.

In deze aflevering spreekt Willem met dr. Lizet Kuitert (EUR) over haar proefschrift onderzoek over opdrachtgeverschap en waardenconflicten in de bouw. Ze praten over olifantenpaadjes, de theorie en de praktijk met een focus hoe waarden als duurzaamheid en prijs een rol spelen in het aanbestedingsproces.

In episode 13 of the podcast, Marta and Willem discuss the Icelandic Equal Pay mandatory standard. Particularly, the possibilities and limitations of its applicability in public procurement. For the dessert, our hosts share with our audience upcoming PhD courses in public procurement.