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Between Americans
by Boting Zhang
Twelve Americans who voted for Donald Trump and twelve who voted for Hillary Clinton spent one year trying to talk across the political divide. Here's their story.
Episodes
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1. "Shared national vision"
"If you listened to these voices hoping for some kind of shared national vision, I think you'd be disappointed."
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2. "Elevate us out"
"I pray for a leader that can elevate us out of this national conversation that has gotten so dirty."
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3. "Shock and despondency"
"I'm in a constant state of shock and despondency and anger."
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4. "He was never helping"
"Everyone's all, 'We love Obama!' He was never helping out at any of our reservations, never nothing."
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5. "Representative comment"
"It's really hard to come up with a representative comment about Christians, because we don't even agree."
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6. "Lead by example"
"While Americans can have conversations, I think our elected officials are failing to lead by example."
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7. "Chronic disbeliever"
"I've transitioned into a chronic disbeliever in the idea of democracy in this country."
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8. "Me or my company"
"I started to realize that the left doesn't give a shit about me or my company."
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9. "Catholic social teaching"
"Catholic social teaching is pretty liberal. That's what I grew up with."
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10. "Flip side"
"I've seen the flip side where there isn't a rule of law, where there is a lot of corruption."
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11. "Out of conflict"
"Maybe democracy is a process, and the next step is always born out of conflict? But something does feel broken."
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12. "America was founded"
"I believe that America was founded basically on the 10 Commandments."
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13. "Politico Pro"
"Oh…yeah. That's right, people don't always live in the bubble of reading Politico Pro updates."
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14. "To talk to people"
"My job requires me to be able to talk to people who I could not be farther from in life."
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15. "The Antichrist"
"I believe in my mind that Donald is the Antichrist."
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16. "I've been reflecting"
"I've been reflecting a lot on race and particularly whiteness."
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17. "To death"
"The welfare state is loving these people to death."
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18. "Their core self"
"That's not going to happen. People have too much invested in their core self."
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19. "I'm human"
"This project helped me admit that I'm human, I'm vulnerable."
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20. "What facts are"
"The reality that we can't even agree on what facts are is, to me, the biggest obstacle towards fixing the divide that we have."
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21. "Terrible things"
"The idea that you can make a society safer by not letting people say terrible things is a pathological illusion."
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22. "Honesty and vulnerability"
"I would love to see politics at the highest levels begin to work from a position of honesty and vulnerability."
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23. Silence
Some participants couldn't be reached for an exit interview, but even that is part of the story.
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Twelve Americans who voted for Donald Trump and twelve who voted for Hillary Clinton spent one year trying to talk across the political divide. Here's their story.
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