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Send us Fan MailThis week on Beyond Artless, we accidentally made an episode that is actually useful.We’re talking copyright, music publishing, digital music, arrangements, AI, and a bunch of other things that music educators probably should know more about—but often don’t have time to figure out.Our guest is Andrea Pelloquin, Executive Director of the Choristers Guild and an attorney specializing in copyright and trademark law. She brings a ton of experience from both the music industry and the legal world, and she helps us make sense of some of the copyright questions that come up in music education every day.We also talk about public domain music, photocopying, e-print, AI, career changes, and why you might want to think twice before assuming that something you found online is fair game.And because this is Beyond Artless, we somehow manage to work in bees, spelling bees, porch geese, and a few other things that have absolutely nothing to do with copyright.Come for the useful information. Stay for the nonsense.Helpful Links Regarding Copyrighthttps://www.tresonamusic.com/https://www.bmi.com/https://www.arrangeme.com/https://www.easysong.com/https://schoolmusiclicense.com/https://www.choristersguild.org/index.htmlhttps://nafme.org/resource/united-states-copyright-law-a-guide-for-music-educators/https://www.mpa.org/OPPORTUNITIES:2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS - A few spots remain!!https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMS (Closes Sept 15)https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commissionCOMMISSION POSSIBLE 2028 W/ OMAR THOMAShttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commissionFREE MUSIC (Ends Sept 15)MAX JOY - ERIKA SVANOEhttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/Support the show

Send us Fan MailEver wonder what a true visionary in arts administration leads like?  Enter our guest Tony Thomann - executive director of the Minnesota Youth Symphonies.  Truly dedicated to the cause of young orchestral musicians in every way, Tony is the ultimate team builder and steady hand on a tiller.Ever wonder what meaningless banter, fruitless band boozlers and wandering questions sound like?  Enter Phil, Peter and Chris.  Mustering every ounce of experience gained over the last four seasons, our hosts derail and blame each other at every turn.  Commuter, we appreciate your support and occasional critique, even if we can’t really seem to respond adequately.  It’s mostly Peter’s fault.Learn More About Tony and the Minnesota Youth Symphonies Here: https://www.mnyouthsymphonies.org/REGISTER NOW:2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS - A few spots remain!!https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMS (closes Sept 15)https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commissionCOMMISSION POSSIBLE 2028 W/ OMAR THOMAShttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commissionFREE MUSIC (ends Sept 15)MAX JOY - ERIKA SVANOEhttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/Support the show

Send us Fan MailWhat do you get when you put Chris, Phil, Peter, and Dr. Jennifer Hawkinson in the same room? A conversation full of laughter, honest stories, teaching wisdom, and at least a few moments where you'll find yourself thinking, "Yep... that's exactly what it's like to be a music teacher."In this episode of Beyond Artless, we're joined by Dr. Jennifer Hawkinson, Associate Professor of Music Education and Director of the Symphonic Band at Concordia College. Jennifer has spent her career shaping musicians and mentoring future educators, but what makes this conversation so special isn't just her résumé—it's her ability to blend excellence with humility, high expectations with genuine kindness, and just enough humor to remind us that no rehearsal is ever completely under control.From her years teaching in South Dakota public schools to preparing tomorrow's band directors at Concordia, Jennifer shares stories that are equal parts inspiring and wonderfully relatable. She reminds us that the best teachers don't have all the answers—they simply keep showing up, keep learning, and occasionally laugh at the chaos along the way.What you'll hear in this episode:How Jennifer's journey led her from the school band room to the college classroomThe mentors who shaped her—and why every great teacher stands on someone else's shouldersWhat future music educators really need to know before their first day on the podiumBuilding rehearsal environments where students feel challenged, valued, and empoweredWhy relationships will always outlast repertoireThe little moments that remind us why we chose this profession in the first placeOf course, it wouldn't be Beyond Artless without a healthy dose of laughter. Chris, Phil, and Peter swap stories with Jennifer about the wonderfully unpredictable life of music educators—those rehearsals that somehow survive flattened trumpets, questionable rhythms, and the occasional "creative interpretation" of the conductor's instructions.Whether you're a veteran teacher, a future music educator, or someone who simply appreciates the people who make school music programs come alive, this episode feels like sitting around the table with friends who just happen to care deeply about making music—and making people better through it.Jennifer's passion is contagious, her perspective is refreshing, and her heart for students shines through every story she tells.Join us for a conversation filled with wisdom, warmth, a few laughs, and a reminder that while music may not solve every problem, it certainly makes the journey a whole lot better. That's what happens Beyond Artless.SHOW CREDITS:WALTON Coronation March, “Crown Imperial” - "The President's Own" United States Marine BandPerformed on April 2, 2023, at Northern Virginia Community College's Rachel M. Schlesinger Concert Hall and Arts Center in Alexandria, Va., as part of a concert titled "Sacred Hymns, Songs, and Sounds." William Walton's Coronation March, “Crown Imperial”transcribed by William DuthoitConducted by First Lieutenant Darren LinProgram and notes: https://www.marineband.marines.mil/Po...REGISTER NOW:2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS - A few spots remain!!https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMShttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commissionCOMMISSION POSSIBLE 2028 W/ OMAR THOMAShttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commissionFREE MUSIC until September 15MAX JOY - ERIKA SVANOEhttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORSGrand ToursConcordia CollegeHeid MusicInterested in sponsoring with us? Learn more here!Support the show

Send us Fan MailWelcome Back, Commuters!Welcome back to Season 5 of Beyond ArtLess! After four seasons, more than 35,000 downloads, and an impressive lack of professional growth on the part of your hosts, we're thrilled to have you along for another ride.This season, The Empire Strikes a Budget, we're once again talking with fascinating people about music, education, creativity, and whatever else manages to derail the conversation. Expect surprise guests, questionable questions, Band Buzzlers, Band Boozlers, and the occasional moment of actual insight.Thanks for listening, laughing, and continuing to commute with us. We’re glad you’re back.Same podcast. Same idiots. New season.REGISTER NOW:2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS - A few Jazz spots remain!!https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMShttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commissionCOMMISSION POSSIBLE 2028 W/ OMAR THOMAShttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commissionFREE MUSIC: MAX JOY - ERIKA SVANOEhttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/Support the show

Send us Fan MailIn the Season 4 finale of Beyond ArtLess, we are joined by legendary Chicago Symphony Orchestra tubist Gene Pokorny for a conversation that moves seamlessly from orchestral artistry to teamwork, teaching, and steam locomotives.With Peter away caring for family, special guest co-host Paul Kile joins Chris and Phil for a finale episode that is somehow thoughtful, hilarious, and significantly more organized than usual.In This Episode: Gene reflects on life inside the Chicago Symphony Orchestra and why he still “pinches himself” walking onto the stage  Stories about working with conductors including Riccardo Muti and Klaus Mäkelä The arrival of new principal trombonist Tim Higgins and how personnel changes reshape an orchestra  Gene’s philosophy on expressive playing, rubato, and storytelling in music  Why so many young brass players focus on technique before expression  Lessons learned from legendary teachers including Roger Bobo, Tommy Johnson, and Arnold Jacobs The origins of the Pokorny Seminar and the importance of teamwork in music education  Steam locomotives, railroad leadership, and what musicians can learn from the Union Pacific “Big Boy”  Why Mahler ultimately beats Shostakovich… at least today Favorite Moments: “You’ve got 52 weeks. I’ve got four measures.”  “There’s nothing extraordinarily special about what we’re doing. We just happen to be lucky enough to put together something greater than the sum of the parts.”  “We still have to worry about long tones. Jesus.” Also in This Episode: Chris shares his recent trip to hear the Chicago Symphony Orchestra perform Saint-Saëns’ “Organ Symphony”  Festival prep chaos: 4,188 students, endless pizza, and waterpark logistics  Jury duty panic during concert season  The return of the classic “make fun of Peter” segment Details about the new (currently FREE) composition by Erika Svanoe called "Max Joy" and the story behind the premiere and dedication.Thank you, commuters, for riding along with us through another season of Beyond ArtLess. See you in Season 5.Learn More:Chicago Symphony OrchestraPokorny Low Brass SeminarCredits:Skirmish and Dance · Jeffrey Reynolds  Big Boy Album ℗ 2005 Summit Records Released on: 2001-02-01.  https://youtu.be/1uSzYq-08Iw?si=XvAfQfuoWTkfCHiFCarl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot OFFICIAL. As seen in 2014's COSMOS: A SpaceTime Odyssey Written by Ann Druyan and Steven Soter  Cosmos Studios, Inc., Copyright © 2013 Passage written by Carl Sagan for the book Pale Blue Dot published by Random House,  Copyright ©1994 Democritus Properties, LLChttps://youtu.be/GO5FwsblpT8?si=iMpXuImhgPO9BPD1Mahler: Symphony No. 2 "Resurrection": V. Finale. Im Tempo des Scherzos Mahler: Symphony No. 2 "Resurrection": V. Finale. Im Tempo des Scherzos · Carol Neblett · Marilyn Horne · Claudio Abbado · Chicago Symphony Orchestra · Chicago Symphony Chorus Claudio Abbado & Chicago Symphony Orchestra ℗ 1977 Deutsche Grammophon GmbH, Berlin Released on: 2017-04-21 https://youtu.be/rJWxpR8liF0?si=FMqBfKdVTXYfKDTzGershwin: An American in Paris (Revised F. Campbell-Watson) · James Levine · Chicago Symphony Orchestra The World's Greatest Orchestras - Chicago Symphony Orchestra ℗ 1993 Deutsche Grammophon GmbH, Berlin Released on: 2021-01-09 https://youtu.be/nIw2WJEfZxo?si=qkuxYAcqJq_IzvYySaint-Saëns - Symphony No. 3 in C Minor, Op. 78 "Organ" (Chicago Symphony Orchestra) Camille Saint-Saëns - Symphony No. 3 in C Minor, Op. 78 "Organ"Nikolaj Szeps-Znaider, Conductor Cameron Carpenter, Organ Live at Orchestra Hall, December 2022 https://youtu.be/5xrHCJbyG2M?si=CL03JHIsb0KhXRqQPartita in A minor for Flute Alone BMV 1013 Provided to YouTube by The Orchard Enterprises Partita in A minor for Flute Alone BMV 1013 · Gene Pokorny Tuba Tracks ℗ 2005 Summit Records Released on: 1995-04-01 https://youtu.be/kQcdD33NXfw?si=cLjI8jGxwXeYxrz7REGISTER NOW:2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS  https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMS https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commissionCOMMISSION POSSIBLE 2028 W/ OMAR THOMAS https://forms.gle/ZswvHWEZK3HBozXZ7FREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”) https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0Max Joy - Erika Svanoe https://www.erikasvanoe.com/btn.htmlSupport the show

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, we journey through the eclectic world of conducting, education, and cultural authenticity — with a side of humor and some self-deprecating confessions. Our guest, Dr. Anthony Marinello III, is an exemplary musician and educator (and self-professed Commuter) who shares insights on everything from embracing the non-linear career path to the importance of humility, authenticity, and even a mid-career crisis or two. Get your pencils out as Tony shares a treasure trove of great ideas, quotes, books, podcasts, composers and authors to check out. Peter, Chris, and Phil are still trying to spell their own names. Key Takeaways:Embracing the chaos: Careers don’t follow a straight line—thank goodness! Our guest’s journey from dentistry to music illustrates how the "multiverse" of possibilities keeps life interesting.The power of humility and curiosity: Approach students and colleagues with respect and a willingness to learn. Be flexible enough to change your mind and your sound.Authenticity over stereotype: True artistry comes from bringing genuine heart and cultural humility, not just imitating or appropriating.The importance of mentorship and identity: From LSU to Virginia Tech, mentors shape us immensely, emphasizing that relationships and feedback are the real game-changers.The value of risk-taking: Sometimes, the best moments happen when you decide to "go for it" despite fears and uncertainties—like risking a rehearsal or an emotional risk on stage.Cultivating community: Whether rehearsing socially or on stage, building trust and respect within groups makes the magic happen—and even a broken window can be a teaching moment.The influence of podcasts and psychology: Exploring the human element—feelings, shared stories, and vulnerability—can elevate ensemble performance and leadership.The importance of "telling your truth": Show up, do the work, be authentic, and stay flexible in your creative and professional pursuits.Resources:Learn more about Tony hereIllinois State UniversityWork of Adam Grant – Rethink, grow, and challenge your assumptionsMark Brackett’s Emotional Intelligence – Cultivating emotional literacy in leadershipIra Glass’s Creative Process – The patience, craft, and time needed to develop masteryREGISTER NOW:2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS - A few spots remainhttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMShttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commissionFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0CONSIDER BECOMING A SUBSCRIBER:Support the show

Send us Fan MailThere is no greater a stumble than an Ostrander introduction of a guest.  No helping hands from Gleason or Haberman, either.  Our guest is stranded on an island of poorly phrased questions, out of touch follow-ups and frequent misdirects.  Our guest David Scalise follows a trend of well-informed, star powered teachers.  He handles our poor hosting with ease and a great laugh.  He is part of the fabulous Apple Valley music program in Minnesota.  David leads the award winning Apple Valley R&B band, and many other groups at the high school.  He has had a wide ranging successful teaching career and is the model for meeting students where they are.Learn more about David & the Apple Valley Program here:https://www.youtube.com/@davidscalise8985https://www.avrb.band/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17AopbAxLR8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG9xAxaMae8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MMd3iM-_h8There are a million of these videos - all great.REGISTER NOW:2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS - A few Jazz spots remain!!https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMShttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commissionFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0HELP SUPPORT THIS BELOW AVERAGE PODCAST HERE:Support the show

Send us Fan MailGet ready for an insightful and humor-packed conversation with Dr. Alicia Neal—a leader whose passion for music education, community building, and authentic connection shines through every story. Whether you're a seasoned educator or just a band nerd at heart, this episode offers valuable lessons on fundamentals, inclusion, and the joy of teaching music.Resources:Alicia Neal - BiographyThe Hill We Climb: LGBTQ+ Band and Belonging by Rob Taylor & Eric LungAlan McMurray's profile Howard Hughes - BiographyUniversity of Colorado BoulderEastern Illinois University BandsCredits:Omar Thomas Of Our New Day Begun - "The President's Own" United States Marine Band Performed on February, 26, 2023, at Northern Virginia Community College's Rachel M. Schlesinger Concert Hall and Arts Center in Alexandria, Va. https://www.youtube.com/watchv=uumlUtrAimk&list=RDuumlUtrAimk&start_radio=1"The Lonely Goatherd" scene from Rodgers & Hammerstein's The Sound of Music (1965). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmmOJx_HxtoWycliffe Gordon Trombone Solos Jazz in Marciac 2009 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBTPkNd3D8wREGISTER NOW:2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALS - FOUR JAZZ SPOTS REMAININGhttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMShttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commissionFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0Support the show

Send us Fan MailIt’s only fitting that our longest episode is dedicated to our beloved friend, mentor, and colleague, Nobuyoshi Yasuda. We spend time exploring his childhood in Japan, his journey to UW–Eau Claire, Peter’s unrelenting bowing, the infamous crashing trombone dinner story, Moomers, and, of course, his upcoming retirement and return to Japan. Join us as we say goodbye to a dear friend—and if you don’t yet know Nobu, you’re in for a treat.Learn more about Nobu here: https://www.uwec.edu/profiles/yasudanGet ticket's to Nobu's final concert with the Chippewa Valley Symphony here: https://www.pablocenter.org/events/detail/cvso-maestros-finale-conductor-nobuyoshi-yasudas-farewell-concert-964236REGISTER NOW:2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALShttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMShttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commissionFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0Support the show

Send us Fan MailWhat does it take to cultivate musical excellence, build real connections with students, and navigate the unpredictability of teaching? Malcolm Burke brings a compelling mix of artistry, humility, and humor.From middle school cello to collegiate conducting, Malcolm’s journey highlights patience, adaptability, and the power of listening. He shares practical insights on motivating students without falling into toxic competition, balancing structure with creativity, and creating meaningful musical experiences at every level. Along the way, we explore how small, human moments shape lasting impact, the influence of mentors and how to carry their lessons forward, and what it looks like to conduct with clarity, emotion, and flexibility while connecting with students from beginners to advanced performers.This conversation goes beyond music, offering a grounded look at teaching, growth, and embracing the inevitable chaos along the way. Thoughtful, honest, and often funny, it’s a reminder that some of the best lessons come from the messiest moments.Support the show

Send us Fan MailAfter 149 episodes of spirited banter, we finally did the unthinkable—we made an episode without it. Don’t get used to it, though. Odds are the pendulum swings back soon and we overcorrect with an episode that’s all banter… and a mildly concerned guest.Fortunately, that’s not the case this week.Sam Quinones is a Los Angeles-based journalist and acclaimed author known for his narrative non-fiction work on drug trafficking and immigration. A former L.A. Times reporter, he gained prominence for his in-depth reporting on the U.S. opioid epidemic, most notably in Dreamland: The True Tale of America's Opiate Epidemic and The Least of Us. Today, he joins us to talk about his newest book, Perfect Tuba—a narrative nonfiction exploration of band culture, where discipline, collaboration, and long-term commitment offer a powerful counterpoint to a world chasing instant gratification. Through stories of dedicated musicians, iconic instruments, and tight-knit communities, the book reframes the tuba as more than an instrument—it’s a metaphor for purpose, perseverance, and the kind of fulfillment that comes from doing hard things well, together.GET THE BOOK HERE: THE PERFECT TUBA: Forging Fulfillment from the Bass Horn, Band, and Hard WorkLEARN MORE ABOUT SAM AND SUBSCRIBE TO HIS NEWSLETTER HERE: http://www.samquinones.comsamquinones.substack.comREGISTER NOW:2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALShttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1COMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMShttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commissionFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0Support the show

Send us Fan MailThis episode features Mike Kamphuis, whose remarkable path to leadership in Conn-Selmer is anything but conventional. From working sprint-car pit crews and running a DJ business to announcing early ultimate fighting events and competing at a high level in bowling, Mike shares how an unusual series of opportunities shaped the mindset that now drives his work in music education.What makes the conversation compelling is how those seemingly unrelated experiences connect through one consistent theme: a willingness to say yes, figure things out, and build solutions where none yet exist. That same mindset later fueled his work developing new systems inside Conn-Selmer—from modernizing parts access and product support to helping create educational tools and services that directly support teachers and school music programs across the country.The episode also explores how Mike’s original goal of becoming a band director evolved into a broader mission of serving music educators at scale. Through stories about mentorship, industry change, advocacy, and the future of school music, the conversation becomes a larger reflection on leadership, adaptability, and why innovation in education often begins with listening first and acting second.Learn More About Michael Here:https://artists.ludwig-drums.com/en-us/education/clinician/profile/michael-kamphuishttps://connselmer.com/news/changes-to-leadershipWatch Tim Gleason Dance Here:https://youtu.be/PH8dv-yDT1U?si=eBA4YlLvKKrC2UndCredits:Why There Is No Trumpet Christmas - YouTube Video https://youtu.be/kfodl1g_ibY?si=mJiXNP6ZF9TbqETuREGISTER NOW:2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALShttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationRISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationCOMMISSION POSSIBLE 2027 W/ ADRIAN SIMShttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commissionFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0Support the show

Send us Fan MailEverything about Chris, Phil and Peter screams antiquated (anti-modern).  The jokes, the tech struggles, the slow motion wheezing when attempting to sit or stand.  However, our guest is the living definition of the modern music educator and performer.  Mary Claxton is the director of Teaching and Learning at Music Will - the largest non-profit music program in the United States.  Hundreds educators are using their forward thinking curriculum that champions Modern Band.  Mary shares with us about gigging on Motown music at night and truly creative classroom experiences by day.  And more information than you ever thought possible about the ukulele.Learn More Here:https://musicwill.org/the-team/mary-claxton/https://www.theburroughssoul.com/https://www.instagram.com/claxtogram/?hl=enhttps://nafme.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Mary-Claxton-Headshot-Bio-1.pdfhttps://hub.yamaha.com/music-educators/40-under-40/2026/claxton-mary/https://www.instagram.com/trashcattunes/?hl=enREGISTER NOW:2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALShttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationRISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationSupport the show

Send us Fan MailIn this episode of Beyond Artless, we sit down with Isaac McMahon, band director at Brookings High School in South Dakota—a musician, educator, and all-around interesting human whose journey to the podium includes farms, baseball no-hitters, homemade hot sauce, and at least one extremely loud tractor tire incident.Now in his seventh year of teaching, Isaac leads a thriving program that includes concert band, competitive marching band, pep band, jazz ensembles, music theory, and music exploration. His passion for students and teaching has earned him multiple district “BEST” awards for leadership, as well as the 2025 Dennis Hegg Outstanding Young Band Director Award for the state of South Dakota. His program was also selected to perform at the 2026 South Dakota Bandmasters Conference—a testament to the culture of excellence he’s built with his students.But Isaac’s story is about far more than accolades. Growing up on a farm in South Dakota (where he once accidentally popped an 8-foot tractor tire… loudly), he developed the work ethic and humor that now define his classroom. From dressing up as Beethoven for a fourth-grade biography fair to throwing a high school baseball no-hitter—and briefly attempting a golf career that ended after exactly one away meet—Isaac’s path to music education has been anything but boring.What you’ll hear in this episode:Isaac’s journey from South Dakota farm kid to award-winning band directorHow Comprehensive Musicianship through Performance (CMP) shapes his teaching philosophyThe joy and responsibility of mentoring future educators as a cooperating teacherLessons learned from teaching in both Breckenridge, Minnesota and Brookings, South DakotaWhy continuing to perform (he’s a semi-professional bassoonist and saxophonist) keeps him connected to the artThe realities—and occasional chaos—of running a modern band programAnd along the way you’ll discover that Isaac is also a self-proclaimed coffee snob who roasts his own beans, a home hot-sauce creator with a fridge shelf dedicated to spice, a former homecoming king, and a proud dad of two daughters who somehow balances family life with marching band rehearsals and jazz charts.This conversation is funny, thoughtful, and full of the kind of real-life stories that remind us why music educators are some of the most creative and resilient people around. Tune in for laughter, teaching wisdom, and possibly a new appreciation for both bassoons and properly roasted coffee—beyond artless.CreditsGroovin' Hard- Don Menza/arr. Peter BlairHeritage Music PressREGISTER NOW:2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALShttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationRISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationSupport the show

Send us Fan MailTune in for a masterclass in mastering, mountain climbing, and music making. Buzz’s stories take you from Devil’s Tower to small-town pharmacy to collaborating with Yo-Yo Ma. So whether you’re a budding sound god, a mountain enthusiast, or just someone who loves hilarious stories from someone who’s done it all—this episode will leave you inspired, amused, and maybe a little more willing to climb those metaphorical—and literal—mountains yourself.Learn More About Buzz Here:https://buzzkemper.com/https://www.instagram.com/buzzkemper/Credits:Enchantment by Jodie Blackshaw. Performed by the Hobart Wind Symphony conducted by Simon Reade. https://youtu.be/3e8OrSg8h6M?si=jojRar36SnWf0SptBadger Talks with Buzz Kemper. https://youtu.be/YRC--RZI4ac?si=NydNVIhnwbHPJV0rREGISTER NOW:2027 BEYOND THE NOTE FESTIVALShttps://www.btnmusicfestival.com/festivals/ensembles/kalahari-1BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationRISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpSupport the show

Send us Fan MailWill Chris find a way to expand Beyond the Notes to include kazoo choirs?  Will Peter make it through the entire podcast on 1 hour of sleep?  Will Phil win an award for longest question ever?  All of these questions will be answered - sadly testing the patience of our exasperated commuters.  Oh well.  The Buzzler and Bandboozler shall provide a short moment of sanity.  Our guest has taught successfully in high schools and colleges throughout the country and is now director of bands at Florida State University.  He is a great advocate for students, a renowned conductor, board member of the Midwest Clinic and an all around wonderful person!  Rodney Dorsey is simply the best.Show LinksU.S. Marine Band forced to cancel concert with students of color after Trump DEI order. Watch the episode here:  https://youtu.be/lhwS06U1SnA?si=z5RutPTfPy-tKzoMREGISTER NOW:2027 BEYOND THE NOTES MUSIC FESTIVAL REGISTRATION OPENS MARCH 9 AT 8:00 PMLearn more at: https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationRISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpSupport the show

Send us Fan MailIn this episode of Beyond Artless, we welcome Dr. Sarah McKoin, educator, conductor, and scholar at Texas Tech University, for a conversation that blends musicianship, mentorship, and corndogs.Dr. McKoin shares her path into higher education and conducting, reflecting on the moments and mentors that shaped her voice as a teacher and musician. From leading ensembles to preparing future musicians, she speaks candidly about the responsibility—and joy—of guiding students toward artistry, confidence, and curiosity. What you’ll hear in this episode:Dr. McKoin’s journey to Texas Tech and the collegiate podiumThe role of mentorship in shaping meaningful musical careersBuilding ensemble culture rooted in trust and excellenceBalancing artistry, scholarship, and leadershipHow to meet famous musicians while eating corndogsHow to make a great free-throw under pressure!This conversation is thoughtful, grounded, and deeply encouraging—reminding us that great teaching is as much about listening and learning as it is about leading.CREDITS:DAHL Sinfonietta: Introduction and Rondo - "The President's Own" U.S. Marine Band https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo2nBmPQXPoHindemith's Symphony in B-flat | The U.S. Army Band https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpgXXcAcNQ4Inland Ocean - Viet Cuong (for Grade 2.5 Concert Band) Reading by the West Chester University Wind Ensemble, Dr. Andrew Yozviak, conductor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaB6dSEtS8APatiala Pulse by Shruthi Rajasekar. Concert band Grade 4  Murphy Music Presshttps://murphymusicpress.com/products/cb3-1,045OPENING SOON:2027 BEYOND THE NOTES MUSIC FESTIVAL REGISTRATION OPENS MARCH 9 AT 8:00 PM. Learn more at: https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/REGISTER NOW:BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationRISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpSupport the show

Send us Fan MailCommuter, you are in for a treat! In this episode, we welcome the extraordinary Patricia Brumbaugh—a trailblazing conductor, educator, mentor, and lifelong advocate for musical excellence.From her early days studying under legendary music educator John Whitwell to leading high school, collegiate, youth, and community ensembles across the country, Pat’s career reflects resilience, high standards, and deep humanity. Named Outstanding Young Band Conductor in the Nation (1984), she has built programs, conducted at major conferences, and shaped generations of musicians—many of whom are still playing today.CREDITSPrelude and Fugue in Bb Major - J.S. Bach arr. Moehlmann. All Illinois Junior Band Send your students to this IL friends! Amazing!  https://www.aijb.org/Canzona - Peter Mennin.  Lowell Graham. United States Air Force Band https://youtu.be/jictlsGlEks?si=M36F93GlAcKzr-o6"The President's Own" United States Marine Band presents Warren Benson's "The Solitary Dancer." Conducted by Col. John R. Bourgeois. From the album "Showcase, Volume Two," recorded in 1990. http://www.marineband.marines.mil/"Ricky" by The Wolves of Glendale. https://youtu.be/3O1WgS-vd1Q?si=KmJCNOr62oU_Wv8KREGISTER NOW:BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationRISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpSupport the show

Send us Fan MailIn this episode of the Beyond ArtLess Podcast, we dig into Common Time Pathways, a smarter, saner way to connect music students and colleges. Born from one band director’s “why is this so hard?” moment, the platform organizes recruiting data and levels the playing field for programs of all sizes—no dusty spreadsheets required.Founder Eytan Wurman joins us to explain how their matching algorithm pairs students with colleges based on majors, interests, and financial fit, all while keeping data more secure than the locked percussion room. We also look ahead as Common Time Pathways expands into theater, dance, and visual art, and talk about why early, intentional connections help create lifelong musicians—and keep students in the right schools.Smart ideas, real impact, and just enough ArtLess banter to keep things interesting.Learn more about Eytan here:https://www.convergenceensemble.org/eytan-wurman-board-memberhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/eytanwurman/Check out CommonTime Pathways Here:https://www.ctpathways.com/CREDITS:Samara Joy - You Stepped Out Of A Dream (Studio Version) https://youtu.be/vVKbeUs0a_A?si=yLNZeCjWJ6x5k9xh Watch the official music video for “You Stepped Out Of A Dream” by Samara Joy.  Listen to the new single ‘You Stepped Out Of A Dream’: https://SamaraJoy.lnk.to/PortraitIDThe Sun in September · Omar Thomas Large Ensemble https://youtu.be/qCwSOqUZ0Vk?si=ELq6B1HVhnBU4WlY Griot Songs  ℗ 2025 Omar Thomas Music  Released on: 2025-02-07 Main  Artist: Omar Thomas Large Ensemble  Composer: Omar ThomasREGISTER NOW:BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationRISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpSupport the show

Send us Fan MailIn this episode of Beyond Artless, we’re thrilled to welcome Steve Campbell, tubist with the Minnesota Orchestra, for a conversation that goes well beyond the low notes.Steve shares what it’s really like to build a career in one of the world’s great orchestras—from the discipline and dedication behind orchestral excellence to the humor, humility, and humanity that keep music-making joyful. Along the way, he reflects on practice, preparation, and the often-unsung role of the tuba in shaping the sound and soul of an ensemble.What you’ll hear in this episode:Steve’s path to the Minnesota OrchestraThe realities of orchestral life and long-term musicianshipLessons learned from decades of performing at the highest levelAdvice for young musicians dreaming of orchestral careersStories from the stage that are thoughtful, funny, and deeply musicalThis episode is a celebration of craft, curiosity, and commitment—and a reminder that every great ensemble is built on musicians who listen deeply and lead from wherever they sit.Tune in for wisdom, wit, and world-class musicianship—beyond artless.CREDITSReflections of the Mississippi  The Quad City Symphony Orchestra, Steve Campbell, tuba, and Mark Russell Smith, conductor, perform Michael Daugherty's Reflections of the Mississippi, mvts. 3 and 4, on Sunday, October 2, 2016, in Centennial Hall, Rock Island, IL. https://youtu.be/kinQB_ZLAHw?si=J4IRmAdRG_8AomOJMarsalis' Tuba Concerto The rarely spotlighted tuba takes center stage in a recent concerto by the eminent composer, jazz trumpeter and bandleader Wynton Marsalis—fusing traditions ranging from classical to bebop to boogaloo. Of note are a passage in which the soloist plays the tuba and sings simultaneously, and a blistering finale that nods to bebop saxophonist Charlie “Bird” Parker. https://youtu.be/a6OEDekFJlw?si=_Se-uGpe4-T1rV70 Conductor Jonathan Taylor Rush led Principal Tuba Steven Campbell with the Minnesota Orchestra in this performance on May 19, 2023.Esa-Pekka Salonen: Nyx  Esa-Pekka Salonen: Nyx (2010) Hannu Lintu, conductor Finnish Radio Symphony Orchestra Helsinki Music Centre, 25 January 2013 The FRSO recorded this piece in 2011 in Helsinki. This is the Finnish concert premiere. The world premiere was performed in Paris. https://youtu.be/jm4wlf7VkCk?si=iISqCM4VY4E45a8zTango Corazon, Hanna Lehtonen For Grade 2-3 Trombone and Grade 3 Band: https://www.leadingtonesmusic.com/sto...  https://youtu.be/CSd2iwsYKe0?si=_nYdHwVjL6DAf_ecREGISTER NOW:BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationRISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0THANKS TO:Our sponsor Silent Stage Podiums. httpsSupport the show

Send us Fan MailWelcome to this week’s super spreader episode compliments of Phil Ostrander. After recovering from our Midwest illnesses your hosts welcome Andy Mast, Associate Dean of the Conservatory at Lawrence University. Andy shares his journey from a high school tuba player to a recognized educator and administrator, providing insights into effective mentorship, navigating career transitions, and fostering collaboration across music communities. Whether you're an aspiring teacher, seasoned conductor, or music administrator, Andy’s stories and advice offer valuable guidance for growth and success. PLUS a fun Rappin’ with Songer and a Band Boozler that might actually be helpful. Links:Lawrence University - Music DepartmentVincent Persichetti SocietyAndy Mast - Bio & ProfileCREDITS:Echoes Of The Inner Prophet- Melissa AldanaEchoes Of The Inner Prophet- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxS8wrlqJowCyrille Aimée with the Emmet Cohen Trio | La Vie En Rosehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81viyOKgx0wPercy Grainger: Lincolnshire Posy - Lawrence University Wind Ensemble Andrew Mast, conductor; Sonu., rapper/artist  Wednesday, November 16, 2022 Appleton, Wisconsin, U.S.A.Hans Zimmer - "Time" from the album 'Inception (Music From the Motion Picture)'. Hans Zimmer composed the score of 'Inception', a film directed by Christopher Nolan.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c56t7upa8BkREGISTER NOW:BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationRISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0THANKS TO:Our sponsor Silent Stage Podiums. https://www.arcofrog.com/silentstagepodiumsWe would love to partner with you too! Just head to our website to learn more! https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/podcast#sponsorSupport the show

Send us Fan MailThis Beyond ArtLess episode was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2025 Midwest Clinic. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies!REGISTER NOW:BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationRISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0THANKS TO:Our sponsor Silent Stage Podiums. https://www.arcofrog.com/silentstagepodiumsWe would love to partner with you too! Just head to our website to learn more! https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/podcast#sponsorSupport the show

Send us Fan MailThis Beyond ArtLess episode was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2025 Midwest Clinic. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies!REGISTER NOW:BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationRISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0THANKS TO:Our sponsor Silent Stage Podiums. https://www.arcofrog.com/silentstagepodiumsWe would love to partner with you too! Just head to our website to learn more! https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/podcast#sponsorSupport the show

Send us Fan MailThis Beyond ArtLess episode was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2025 Midwest Clinic. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies!REGISTER NOW:BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationRISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0THANKS TO:Our sponsor Silent Stage Podiums. https://www.arcofrog.com/silentstagepodiumsWe would love to partner with you too! Just head to our website to learn more! https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/podcast#sponsorSupport the show

Send us Fan MailThis Beyond ArtLess episode was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2025 Midwest Clinic. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies!REGISTER NOW:BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationRISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0THANKS TO:Our sponsor Silent Stage Podiums. https://www.arcofrog.com/silentstagepodiumsWe would love to partner with you too! Just head to our website to learn more! https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/podcast#sponsorSupport the show

Send us Fan MailThis Beyond ArtLess episode was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2025 Midwest Clinic. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies!FREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0Beyond The Notes Music Festival (Erika Svanoe “Fanfare on Joy To The World”)https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/. (UNTIL JAN 1 ONLYTHANKS TO:Our sponsor Silent Stage Podiums. https://www.arcofrog.com/silentstagepodiumsWe would love to partner with you too! Just head to our website to learn more! https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/podcast#sponsorSupport the show

Send us Fan MailA first for the podcast – a brother and sister tandem.  Heidi and Dan (and their musician sister Sara) were destined for music from an early age – even though enrolling in college in unrelated fields.  Their parents, Beth and Mike Joosten have been music education fixtures in Wisconsin – now taking that approach to their woodworking business.  Heidi has been conducting multiple national tours of sound and screen shows, and also continues to compose, play piano and harp.  Dan is band director at Edgerton High School and also the Edgerton and Verona Community Bands.  Peter, Phil and Chris do their best to form complete sentences.  Be sure to hang in there until the end as we have a LIVE appearance from the Band Buzzler Creator and Architect – Paul Kile – dashing in before heading to Midwest with the Edina High School Band and Tim Mahr.Credits:"Boomba" For Wind Ensemble. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm5V1-JZH4YComposed By Michael Barry, Conducted by Anthony Panther , Recorded by Adam Michalak , With the Hollywood Scoring Wind Ensemble Score and Parts Available for Purchase:https://murphymusicpress.com/products...,  https://michaelbarrycomposer.com/store/Respighi - Huntingtower (Ballad for Band) United States Air Force Band / Lt. Col. Lowell E Graham. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRxWbW0RheUCarmina Burana - Were du werlt alle min Richard Cooke, Carl Orff, Carmina Burana.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rBaCp3t5v4FREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0Beyond The Notes Music Festival (Erika Svanoe “Fanfare on Joy To The World”)https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/THANKS TO:Our sponsor Silent Stage Podiums. https://www.arcofrog.com/silentstagepodiumsWe would love to partner with you too! Just head to our website to learn more! https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/podcast#sponsorSupport the show

Send us Fan MailBeyond Artless: Featuring Composer Jodie BlackshawIn this episode of Beyond Artless, we are honored to welcome Jodie Blackshaw, internationally performed composer, educator, and creative voice whose music speaks with honesty, courage, and deep emotional resonance.Jodie shares her journey into composition and the stories behind writing music that asks conductors and performers to truly create. From embracing vulnerability in the creative process to navigating the responsibilities of writing meaningful, inclusive repertoire, she reflects on what it means to compose with purpose in today’s musical world.What you’ll hear in this episode:Jodie’s path to becoming a composer and educatorHow storytelling, emotion, and lived experience shape her musicThe balance between craft and courage in the compositional and performance processWriting with empathy, intention, and social awarenessAdvice for young composers and performers finding their artistic voiceThis conversation is a powerful reminder that music is more than sound on a page—it is connection, reflection, and invitation. Jodie’s insight challenges us to listen more deeply, create more bravely, and engage more fully with the stories we tell through music. Tune in for a conversation that is thoughtful, inspiring, and deeply human—beyond artless.Credits:Percy Grainger's Colonial SongPercy Grainger (1882–1961) Colonial Song, edited by Timothy Topolowski and Larry Clark"The President's Own" United States Marine BandRecorded on Sunday, Feb. 2, 2025, at the Rachel M. Schlesinger Concert Hall and Arts Center in Alexandria, Va.Capt. Darren Y. Lin, conductinghttps://youtu.be/9LgwGfK-K7s?si=upWWiN6wt40pJoTlWhirlwind Provided to YouTube by NAXOS of AmericaWhirlwind (Australia, Winner 1st Prize - Category 1) · University of North Texas Symphonic BandThe Winners & the Finalists: The 1st Frank Ticheli Composition Contest℗ 2012 Mark RecordsReleased on: 2012-08-07Conductor: Dennis FisherEnsemble: University of North Texas Symphonic BandComposer: Jodie Blackshawhttps://youtu.be/RpXRdvNjZ_8?si=wNiS3FR_s9jEQG33FREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0Beyond The Notes Music Festival (Erika Svanoe “Fanfare on Joy To The World”)https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/Midwest Step Up ContestBig thanks to our sponsor, Silent Stage Podiums! If you're heading to the Midwest Clinic, swing by Booth #748 before Friday at noon and snap a creative pic on the Silent Stage podium. Follow + tag Beyond The Notes (FB) to enter.  Winners announced on the BTN FB page at NOON on Friday, Dec. 19, 2025.Prizes: • Best “Style” Photo: $20 Starbucks gift card + ArtLess shirt • Random Winner: 30 seconds of airtime on the Beyond Artless Podcast (PSA, story, advice, joke… or roast Peter)See you at Midwest!Support the show

Send us Fan MailOnce again, this podcast manages to leave our guest feeling both uncomfortable and slightly disoriented. Today’s show features the incredible trombonist, educator, and all-around human gem Tony Baker, Professor of Trombone at the University of North Texas. Tony came prepared to talk about his education, experiences, and mentors—what he didn’t expect was a surprise visit from the 1996 Valleyfair Beach Band (of which he was a proud member). Add in a Band Buzzler, a Band Boozler, and the Coach, and you’ve got one unforgettable episode guaranteed to leave you just as uncomfortable and slightly disoriented.Learn More About Tony:https://music.unt.edu/people/tony-baker.htmlhttps://static1.squarespace.com/static/5fab22e730a5be1f90f837cd/t/604f878f301a5c6460259a5d/1615824812196/Tony+Baker+-+An+Artist%27s+Corner.pdfCredits:The Planets by Trouvère: The EarthConductor: Larry H. LangOrchestra: United States Air Force BandComposer: Jun Nagaohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEwLM6P7wIAFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0Beyond The Notes Music Festival (Erika Svanoe “Fanfare on Joy To The World”)https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/Midwest Step Up ContestBig thanks to our sponsor, Silent Stage Podiums! If you're heading to the Midwest Clinic, swing by Booth #748 before Friday at noon and snap a creative pic on the Silent Stage podium. Follow + tag Beyond The Notes (FB) and Silent Stage Podiums (IG) to enter.  Winners announced on these platforms at NOON on Friday, Dec. 19, 2025.Prizes: • Best “Style” Photo: $20 Starbucks gift card + ArtLess shirt • Random Winner: 30 seconds of airtime on the Beyond Artless Podcast (PSA, story, advice, joke… or roast Peter)See you at Midwest!Beach BandMany Thanks to the 1996 Valleyfair Beach Band for making an appearance on the show! To book us for gigs, just reach out to Chris! Want to watch the show?  Here you go: https://youtu.be/uXKxpVZbzNsWant to see the hole we dug? Here you go: Beach Band Photos1996 Beach Band MembersKelley LimaGus LindquistLee PetersonEric SongerGavin WiggTodd SchendelTony BakerChris GleasonSupport the show

Send us Fan MailA giant leap across the pond to Germany for the podcast today with our guest, Matt Turek.  Matt has taught in just about every capacity one can - from elementary general and high school band in an urban environment to middle school suburban to now Grade 1-10 Music at an International School on the outskirts of Hamburg, Germany.  Matt is not afraid of teaching at any level!  Sadly, Peter should be afraid of endless prattle, Chris should be afraid of dated references in the classroom and Phil should be afraid of stumbling into actual work.Listen all the way to the end for an answer to the band buzzer and a musical challenge request from Michael Kasper.  And - a heartfelt answer to the question “What are you most proud of?”Learn More About Matt Here:https://wabeinternationalschool.de/about-us/our-team-old/https://files-backend.assets.thrillshare.com/documents/asset/uploaded_file/2649/Bsd/99541e94-118c-491e-96d8-0c4af381b743/Spring_2018_District_Newsletter.pdf?disposition=inlineCredits:Messiaen: Quartet for the End of TimeRichard Nunemaker, ClarinetSt. Thomas University, Houston, November 15, 2011https://youtu.be/zYpBHc8px_U?si=J_Rkk-yEnIMs8_WyEngelbert Humperdinck - Hansel and Gretel (Overture) (1893)Georg Solti conducting the Wiener Philharmonikerhttps://youtu.be/Z7xQL6ob4QU?si=u4zGJ_QowGz-Br3AUW Wind Ensemble Performance "Yellow Birds" by Marie DouglasScott Teeple, conductorhttps://youtu.be/Kczcs84icAQ?list=PLambIxavELha3Z8rIV0C_gC60MuwjUUheFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpi.wi.gov/fine-arts/wisconsin-arts-celebration-project-0Beyond The Notes Music Festival (Erika Svanoe “Fanfare on Joy To The World”)https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/Support the show

Send us Fan MailIn this episode of Beyond Artless, we sit down with Tony Boldt, a passionate educator and musician from Kasson-Mantorville Schools, whose leadership and creativity continue to shape the musical experiences of young performers in his community.Tony shares his journey as both a teacher and a performer—reflecting on how music shaped his life, what fuels his work in education, and the joys (and occasional chaos) that come with directing student musicians. With authenticity, humor, and heart, Tony blends musicianship with mentorship in a way that reminds us why music education matters.What you’ll hear in this episode:Tony’s path to becoming a music educator and performerThe realities of teaching band in a growing and evolving programWhy continuing to perform keeps him grounded as an educatorThoughts on building culture, connection, and student confidenceLessons learned from the classroom, podium, and community stageThe meaningful—and often hilarious—moments that define a music careerThis conversation celebrates the teachers who show up, lift others up, and inspire students to chase possibility. Tony’s perspective is a reminder that music education isn’t just about notes and technique—it’s about people, purpose, and lifelong artistry.Learn More About Tony Here:http://www.rochestercommunityband.org/dbpage.php?pg=directorhttps://hub.yamaha.com/music-educators/40-under-40/2024/boldt-tony/CreditsBlue Parrot Rag, Martha Mier.  https://youtu.be/LpJ3lINGCDA?si=SdWxM10UEpOcacPySunbloom - Gavin Lendt (Concert Band, Grade 3). Gavin Lendt captures the energy and optimism of a new day in Sunbloom, a fast-paced and uplifting Grade 3 work inspired by the motion and momentum of a runner’s journey.  https://youtu.be/o0ZcvAWc_TQ?si=nY2clFACYCKXs2x8Hope Ahead, by Brian Balmages – Score & Sound https://youtu.be/SArtqsSQcxQ?si=DBNhriEYaB2i7wB7 Learn more about this ComMission Possible work here: https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/education/commission/archiveCHECK IT OUT!Check out our NEW Website and get a Grade 1.5 new work "Fanfare on Joy To The World" by Erika Svanoe.  PLUS Register For:ComMission Possible 2026 with Adrian SimmsRising Music Educator ProgramBuilding Better Bands DaySPECIAL GIFT TO OUR MOST DEDICATED COMMUTERS WHO ACTUALLY READ THE SHOW NOTES: https://youtu.be/yncdWVj31_ASupport the show

Send us Fan MailFresh off the heels of our first — and let’s be honest, probably our only — live episode recording at the Wisconsin State Music Conference, we’re back and better than ever with an incredible guest: dynamic tuba artist and educator Deanna Swoboda. From her early inspirations to her innovative “Band Blast Off” program, Deanna takes us on a journey of how she’s brought the mighty tuba into the global spotlight. We dive into her entrepreneurial spirit, her mentorship of women in music, and how she manages to juggle artistry, education, and business without dropping the (brass) ball. It’s an episode full of laughter, insight, and a reminder that music really can move mountains — or at least shake the floorboards.Sound bites"The tuba is my voice to the world." "Mentorship shaped my musical journey." "Band Blast Off ignites young musicians' passion." "Women are redefining the music industry." "Artistry and entrepreneurship go hand in hand." "Daily wins lead to big successes." "Performing with Dallas Brass was transformative." "Music education is evolving rapidly." "Create your own opportunities in music." "Inspiring the next generation is my mission."Learn More About Deanna Herehttp://deannaswoboda.com/https://search.asu.edu/profile/335939https://www.eastmanwinds.com/deanna_swobodaCreditsGrøndahl - Concerto for Trombone - Northwestern University Symphonic Wind EnsembleDustin Nguyen, winner of the Bienen School of Music’s Concerto Competition, performs Launy Grøndahl’s Concerto for Trombone, arranged by Poul Ivan Møller. Doctoral assistant conductor Sheldon Frazier leads the Symphonic Wind Ensemble. Dustin is a master's student of Michael Mulcahy, R. Douglas Wright, Randall Hawes, Reed Capshaw, and Timothy Higgins.https://youtu.be/ToMaCj2ijdY?si=iT3e72XhvBOLAUqvCHECK IT OUT!Check out our NEW Website and get a Grade 1.5 new work "Fanfare on Joy To The World" by Erika Svanoe.  PLUS Register For:ComMission Possible 2026 with Adrian SimmsRising Music Educator ProgramBuilding Better Bands DaySPECIAL GIFT TO OUR MOST DEDICATED COMMUTERS WHO ACTUALLY READ THE SHOW NOTES: https://youtu.be/yncdWVj31_ASupport the show

Send us Fan MailThe losing battle for interesting banter continues this week.  Phil’s most interesting question is about fish fry.  Chris inches closer to a podcast sponsorship.  Peter details the finer points of Bismarck nightlife.  Kristen Kirch saves our hosts from themselves to talk about a life in music education and restaurant ownership.  Now director of both the middle and high school bands at Chequamegon, Kristen loves small town teaching.  Clearly, her students, parents, administrators, custodial staff, school board and everyone else loves her back.  Step back and learn why it is great to teach in a small town and how to do it successfully.About Kristen Links: https://chs.csdk12.net/teacher-webpages/~const-id/2873https://csdk12kirch.weebly.com/about-mrs-kirch.htmlhttps://vietcuongmusic.com/inland-ocean/Credits:Berlioz: Harold in Italy - Antoine Tamestit, Klaus Mäkelä, Oslo Philharmonic.          Oslo Philharmonic Orchestra, Klaus Mäkelä, Antoine Tamestit: Berlioz              Harold in Italy                                                                                                                    Oslo Konserthus, 2023 https://youtu.be/KfgORkfduCM?si=nUFHU_sGTOYtrDtPBerlioz: "Symphonie Fantastique" - 5th Mvt. - Leonard Bernstein                        Leonard Bernstein conducts the "Orchestre National de France" in Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique 5th Movement:Larghetto, Allegro (Songe d'une nuit de Sabbat) Paris, 1976. https://youtu.be/cao6WyF-61s?si=6c31L69pzLBxr9oJDowntown Diversions by Adam Gorb.   https://adamgorb.co.uk/wind-ensemble/Commissioned by a consortium of university bands in the USAPicc, 2, 2, E flat Cl. 3, Bcl. 2, Cbsn, 4 sax,4, 3, 3, 1, Pno, DB, 3 perc.18 mins. (pub. Maecenas). Performed by UWEC Wind Symphony 2004. Phil Ostrander SoloistCHECK IT OUT!Check out our NEW Website and get a Grade 1.5 new work "Fanfare on Joy To The World" by Erika Svanoe.  PLUS Register For:ComMission Possible 2026 with Adrian SimmsRising Music Educator ProgramBuilding Better Bands DaySupport the show

Send us Fan MailThis week on Beyond Artless, we welcome the dynamic and delightfully down-to-earth Alli Mottaz, an instrumental music educator, percussionist, and all-around creative powerhouse from Waconia, Minnesota.Alli shares her journey from dreaming of playing for the WNBA to becoming an award-winning band director (with a soft spot for the Jonas Brothers and crocheting on the side). Now in her ninth year of teaching, Alli opens up about the realities of music education — the laughter, the learning curves, and the lessons that stick long after the bell rings.What you’ll hear in this episode:How Alli’s path to percussion began with a very blue inspiration (thank you, Blue Man Group)The importance of staying a performer while being a teacherHow mentors shaped her approach to leading and learningLife lessons from maternity leave, team teaching, and middle school chaosHow she broke a small Ostrander childAnd how Chris left her alone on her first day of teaching with him!Alli’s warmth, humor, and honesty make this episode a love letter to the art of teaching — and a reminder that even the most organized band room runs on equal parts caffeine, compassion, and community. Tune in for laughter, inspiration, and great insights on teaching that are — beyond artless.Check out our NEW Website and claim your FREE copy of "Fanfare on Joy To The World" by Erika Svanoe!Find us at the Midwest Clinic - Booth #1335Credits:Fisher Price Kick 'N Play Activity Mat & Gym - Full Song Suite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XD9iTf2MbsThe entire song suite from the much loved Fisher Price Kick 'N Play Mat, including Purple Monkey In A Bubblegum Tree, and Stomp! Stomp! Stomp! Enjoy the songs in the highest quality possibleThe Cat’s Pajamas Rag - Pierre LaPlantePatrick Marsh 7th Grade Band World Premiere PerformanceMay 9, 2017 - Allison Mottzz, conductinghttps://youtu.be/D-Xq6fel_5YTwittering Machine - Brian BalmagesPatrick Marsh 7th Grade Band World Premiere PerformanceMay 9, 2017 - Brian Balamages, conductinghttps://youtu.be/Af3ENiwEXN0Try - Harrison CollinsPersistence Rules! - Dana WilsonUWEC Symphony Band and Wind Symphony ConcertOct 10, 2025 - Phil Ostrander, conductinghttps://www.youtube.com/live/XEnOqhXdSCM?si=QTj1Y3GiYvXFEtJbBlizzard Blues - François DorionHal Leonard Publishinghttps://youtu.be/QaeCEVpM0iU?si=1_F-0edrw_MrcXCUSupport the show

Send us Fan MailWith over 300 compositions to his credit, Willie Owens is a common name in music education. We sit down with Willie to chat about his 30 years of teaching band in Texas, his approach to honor bands, influential mentors, his recent honorary doctorate from VanderCook, presidential history, and corvettes. Peter brought not one but two beverages, Phil looked confused, and Chris continued to struggle with creating complete sentences. Thank goodness for Eric Songer and his students for another installment of Rapping with Songer. Check Our NEW Website and claim your FREE copy of "Fanfare on Joy To The World" by Erika Svanoe on October 31, 2025. Credits:Manilow, B. (1975). I Write the Songs [Song]. On Tryin’ to Get the Feeling. Arista Records. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_tnxTKuaK4Spielberg, S. (Director). (1977). Close encounters of the third kind [Film]. Columbia Pictures. https://youtu.be/wZj7gUIO-2k?si=n1TyRRH8yQAcO_d7Support the show

Send us Fan MailCommuter – nearly every one of you has either conducted or played a chart written by the great Dean Sorenson.  We get a chance to chat with Dean about subpar bus driving, almost missing a gig with Rosemary Clooney (George’s mom) and more.  Phil was prepared (but you would never know it), Chris sets the bar low with his first question and Peter develops his jazz hands skill set.  Specialist/coach Tim Gleason offers pointed critique of hosts and praise for the guest.  Eric Songer and his students pose a great question to the hosts – definitely no great answers, though.Show Notes: Dean Sorenson Links;http://www.deansorensonmusic.comhttps://kjos.com/person/view?id=324https://cla.umn.edu/about/directory/profile/soren048https://www.facebook.com/p/Dean-Sorenson-Music-100057340852890/The theme song for All in the Family, "Those Were the Days," was written by Lee Adams (lyrics) and Charles Strouse (music). https://youtu.be/GI46_zBGv1A?si=ztA5cfm4YmO_nJoPMel Torme - StardustStardustMel Torme, Frank Wesshttps://youtu.be/3s1YVwGCgik?si=X2LtoV-a4kIXFsuYJim Gaffigan | Never Listen to Doctorshttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/7E2EFrZtk-8Support the show

Send us Fan MailIn this heartfelt episode of Beyond Artless, we shine a spotlight on Jennifer Rogholt — a dedicated band mom whose tireless support and advocacy for music education has made a lasting impact on students, directors, and entire school communities.Jennifer shares her perspective on what it means to be a parent, volunteer, and champion for the arts. From late-night band trips to organizing fundraisers, she reflects on the joy, challenges, and profound rewards of supporting young musicians.What you’ll hear in this episode:Jennifer’s journey as a proud band parent and volunteerHow small acts of service create big change in music programsThe power of community, connection, and showing upWhy music education matters — for kids and for cultureTips for parents and supporters who want to get involvedThis conversation is a celebration of the unsung heroes behind every concert, halftime show, and festival. Jennifer reminds us that when parents, educators, and students work together, music can transform lives. Tune in and honor the advocates who keep music alive beyond artless.As a parent and fostering a love for music in those around you:  Music should be fun - always keep it light and fun.Involve them in some way.  Attend events together.  Watch YouTube music together. Meet them where they are at. Celebrate what they love.Time not minutes.  When practicing : time spent with an instrument is time spent.Be playful, creative, no limits - can do no wrong.  Everything is progress and celebrate the first time something is played and the last.When comfortable, look for ways to share music - practice videos, playing for grandparents, friends, church or even other venues.Be Coachable : Teach being coachable by being coachable yourself.Fostering Relationships With Music EducatorsShow Up - walk in - ask what can I do or how can I helpHelp whenever possible - actually move chairs, stands etc.  Actually walk in the space and say, I am here to help.Express gratitude always - Thank them for things accomplished.Notice the small things. - what changes or things are the directors incorporating that is moving things slowly in a new direction.  Tell them you notice that and that you are excited about it.  For example, having students share details about a piece at a concert before the piece is played.Listen to them without judgment or feedback.  Be a safe place.Be there for the program and events that will benefit all studentsBe a resource to the other parents - the director can say, "I will have you talk with Momma Jen about that.  She can point you in the right direction."Provide resources such as extra camp payments for a child that needs help, serve on Boards and volunteer opportunities, provide special rewards for fundraising efforts and sponsor when able.Building Parent Involvement:1. Personal invitation with no way out. Meet me here at this time and we will do this together.2. Make it fun - no drama3. Well organized - clear direction on what to do and how to help. Written directions are great because they give time for others to digest what they will do ahead of time. Sign up genius is a wonderful resource for this.4. Get to know the kids with adults that could help, and maybe don't. Tell the kid, I would love to get to know your adult more. Can you give them my number and have them call me about ways we can work together? This works!Support the show

Send us Fan MailWe all know John McCallister for the incredible free resources he shares on his website—but there’s so much more to this remarkable human. Join us for an enlightening and joyful conversation with John, whose heart is even bigger than the treasure trove of materials he offers online.John McCallister AMAZING Website: https://www.johnmcallistermusic.com/Watch: The Last Repair Shophttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt29118186/Herb Alpert Donation Storyhttps://abc7.com/post/music-legend-herb-alpert-donates-1-million-lausds-last-repair-shop/17805086/1980 · Herb Alpert  Rise℗ 2015 Herb Alpert PresentsReleased on: 1979-09-01Composer, Writer: Herb Alperthttps://youtu.be/EJZ_Jb06Kuw?si=shTT82oUYqv_hlHjI am your father Sound Effect! (DARTH VADER)https://youtu.be/F_-2B4P2FeM?si=SIiFXanymk9Y5eCuThe Duck SongSong by Bryant Oden. Video by Forrest Whaley.https://youtu.be/MtN1YnoL46Q?si=fkSloVGMkPO9qhvNFred Wesley on "Pass the Peas" by James Brown | #ITF2025Performers: Manuel Valera (piano), Alexander Ayala (bass), Marcos Torres (drums), Fred Wesley (trombone), Ariel Kasler (guitar), Tony Da Luca (tenor sax)https://youtu.be/bBDyBBmRLxc?si=fyADC-VpB2ZhXrQgA River Runs Through It · Mark IshamA River Runs Through It (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack)℗ PATHE FILMSReleased on: 1992-10-09Composer: Mark Ishamhttps://youtu.be/j8jxGQJHQvg?si=Quz8pLnMTg_jHmRORoma (2010)Valerie ColemanUniversity of the Pacific Wind BandsVu Nguyen, conductorThis is a live recording of Pacific Wind Bands' performance at CBDNA W/NW Division Conferencein Las Vegas at the Academy of the Arts on March 28, 2024. To learn more about University of the Pacific's Conservatory of Music, visit Pacific.edu/Conservatory.https://youtu.be/ZtrAGX93ggA?si=ZN6Y0rW5aoUQw8ECSupport the show

Send us Fan MailIn mid-season stride, our guest Reid Wixson shares with us on arts advocacy, affording opportunities to all students and Mumbai, India.  Peter shares chewing ice cubes, Chris still distracted by the Packer game and Phil continues his quest for an articulate question (or really any coherent question).  See if you can guess Paul Kile's Band Buzzler!  Don’t forget - Beyond Artless LIVE at the WMEA conference.  Thursday, October 30 at 2:45 PM, Monona Terrace Ballroom A.  Bring your friends, enemies and frenemies.https://swhs-instrumental-music.weebly.com/meet-mr-wixson.htmlhttps://www.mprnews.org/story/2024/04/01/minneapolis-public-schools-music-director-responds-to-potential-cutsCreditsLa Fiesta Mexicana : H. Owen ReedUnited States Marine Band / John R. Bourgeois ConductingBicentennial Collection Vol 6 • Jack T. Kline, John R. Bourgeois ConductingLittle Mexican Suite for Winds Nubia Jaime Donjuan (b. 1984)World PremiereSpring 2022 • Spaulding Auditorium • Hopkins Center for the Arts at Dartmouth​​https://youtu.be/JT3Hu0C6tq0?si=YfSLJC-L74WjwypISupport the show

Send us Fan MailIn this episode of Beyond Artless, we welcome Jason Caslor, conductor, educator, and Director of Bands at Arizona State University. Known for his innovative programming and collaborative spirit, Jason brings a unique perspective to the world of wind band conducting and music-making.Jason opens up about the art of leading ensembles, the importance of creating meaningful musical experiences, and how conductors can foster creativity, trust, and connection within a group. He also shares personal stories about his journey from Canada to the U.S., lessons learned from mentors, and the evolving role of wind bands in today’s musical landscape. And, of course, he talks about hockey with Phil.What you’ll hear in this episode:Jason’s journey to becoming a leading conductor and educatorThe balance between tradition and innovation in programmingHow conductors build community and inspire creativityThoughts on mentorship, collaboration, and lifelong learningWhy wind bands matter more than everIf you’ve ever wondered what happens behind the podium—or how a conductor turns notes on a page into a living, breathing performance—this conversation will inspire and enlighten you.Support the show

Send us Fan MailWhat happens when a music teacher decides to meet students where they are and to develop new ways to engage all learners through music? You get Bob Habersat, owner and author of Shed The Music, who is part teacher, part tech wizard, and potentially a hand model.In this episode, Bob dives into:His relentless drive to find new ways to support and connect with his studentsHis amazing suite of videos and curricula available on his website: Shedthemusic.netHow technology can rescue teachers from explaining bass clef until retirementWhat it takes to pull off a full-blown commercial music festival in your own schoolIf you’ve ever wondered how to bring more creativity, collaboration, and authenticity into music education, this conversation is your backstage pass.Show Notes:Link to join the free workshop PDhttps://emusicelements.com/pd Link to check out the free guitar coursehttps://www.shedthemusic.net/fretboard-fundamentals-overviewThe looper I was using (its part of Elements)https://www.shedthemusic.net/looperThe fretboard thing I talked abouthttps://www.shedthemusic.net/fret-finderThe solfege reading toolhttps://www.shedthemusic.net/solfege-readerSupport the show

Send us Fan MailThis day is a long time coming.  After one year teaching, our guest Lauren Buss speaks more intelligently and inspirationally than our hosts combined.  Lauren enlightens us on how to play a piano with a sledgehammer, the fine art of crochet and the puzzle of “jeans on” hot-tubbing.  Peter, Phil and Chris are blessedly quiet in this episode that introduces all of us to a fabulous first year band director.  Tim Gleason attempts to clearly define his role as “coach” on Beyond Artless.  Of course, you will have to listen to find out what mystery vegetable is sometimes used as a garnish for a supper-club Old-Fashioned.Support the show

Send us Fan MailIn this episode of Beyond Artless, Peter brings us the extraordinary saxophonist, composer, and educator Russell Peterson, professor of saxophone, bassoon, and jazz at Concordia College in Moorhead, Minnesota.Russell shares his journey as a multifaceted musician—spanning classical, jazz, and contemporary performance—while offering insights into the art of balancing tradition with innovation. From the practice room to the stage, he reflects on the challenges and joys of being a performer and teacher, and the role of music as a bridge between genres, people, and communities.What you’ll hear in this episode:Russell’s path to performer and professorHow he approaches artistry across many different musical traditionsStories from his career as a musician and teacherThe value of improvisation, interests, and creativity in teaching and performanceHis teaching philosophy rooted in following the child’s interestsWhether you’re a musician, music lover, or simply curious about the creative process, Russell’s reflections will leave you inspired to listen deeper and live Beyond ArtLess-ly.Got a question or comment?  Submit it here or email us at [email protected] the show

Send us Fan MailSeason 1 - "Hope"Season 2 - "Return of the Jackasses"Season 3 - "The FCC Strikes Back"Season 4 - "Still Unfunded, Still Unfunny"  - Episode one drops Saturday, Aug 30.Support the show

Send us Fan MailYou've heard the phrase, "needs no introduction." Well, our final guest of Season 3 truly fits the bill—Dr. Tim Lautzenheiser joins us for an inspiring conversation about leading through turbulent times, serving others, and making the most of every moment.If you’re only tuning in for one episode this season (and we know that’s a real possibility), this is the one to catch.Thank you, commuters, for an incredible season. We’ll see you in the fall!Recording Credits"Tock" - JaRod Hall, Performed by the Cape Elizabeth Middle School Band, Cape Elizabeth Maine on May 8, 2025 ​Caitlin Ramsey and Missy Shabo, music educators."Dune Aurora" by Jennifer Jolley (computer rendering)"Bubbles Was A Cheerleader" performed by the 1995 Disney All-American College Band w/ the exceptional tuba section. Trombones were....ok. Support the show

Send us Fan MailWhat happens when you get three Gleasons who play tuba in the same ArtLess episode? Chaos. Pure, brass-fueled chaos.Fortunately, we’re joined by the ever-talented Matt Pivec, who brings not only his impressive musical accomplishments but also a touchdown story you truly have to hear to believe. Matt shares insights on balancing multiple interests, pushing back against the pressure to specialize too early, and how improvisation in education goes far beyond jazz solos.The conversation weaves through student engagement, the power of storytelling in the classroom, and how music festivals are expanding opportunities for young performers.Matt’s reverse speed round—and his razor-sharp wit—graciously offset the collective nonsense of this week’s five hosts (yes, five).Brace yourself for an episode that’s as enlightening as it is unreasonably tuba-heavy.Learn More about Matt Here:https://www.butler.edu/jordan-arts/undergraduate-programs/music/faculty-staff/jazz-area-faculty/Recording Credits:Freddie Hubbard - You're My Everything [Alternate Take]https://youtu.be/iXltPEj4VhQ?si=f3-SGf5SKWXIb49RHub-Tones (1963)Personnel:Freddie Hubbard (Trumpet)James Spaulding (Alto saxophone)Herbie Hancock (Piano)Reggie Workman (Bass)Clifford Jarvis (Drums)--Alfred Lion (Producer)Rudy Van Gelder (Recording Engineer)Polka TuneAlbum - “Almost a Ton of Fat and Fun”Ernie Reck Polka BandJerry Gleason on Tuba!Salvation Is Created - arr. BrownRippling Watercolors - BalmagesEarthdance - SweeneySlow Burn - SvanoeSupport the show

Send us Fan MailShow Notes:A week late, you say? So is our comedic and musical timing.You know who does have great timing? Dr. John Lynch, Director of Bands at UW-Stevens Point. It was a real treat to hear about his musical journey—one that’s taken him all around the globe (literally).In this episode, Dr. Lynch shares his perspective on cultural differences between Australia and the U.S., the importance of repertoire choices, the pursuit of quality in music, and the irreplaceable value of live performance.Recording Credits:"The Mooche" - Duke Ellington, Duke Ellington Orchestra, Jazz At Lincoln Center OrchestraWinternacht (Conductor Cam) | Hans Abrahamsenhttps://youtu.be/36t0GxwjOew?si=9M_Dh-potKEpa3AoMusica Nova Ensemble, Eastman School of MusicUniversity of Wisconsin Marching BandOn Wisconsin & Varsity & Hot Time 2010Other Good Stuff:Got a question or comment?  Submit it here or email us at [email protected] the show

Send us Fan MailThere are leaders and there are followers. Thankfully, Fran Kick joins us this week to lead us through a delightful conversation. Granted, Peter, Phil and Chris DO get lost multiple times but Fran gracefully get us back on track. Check out Fran's amazing videos, resources, and books including the "Have to, Get to, Want to" video and article in the show notes!Show Notes:Learn more about Fran here:https://www.kickitin.com/Have to, Get to, Want to [YouTube video]https://youtu.be/KtaMBeCjF3AHave to, Get to, Want to [Article]https://www.kickitin.com/have-to-get-to-want-to/Recording Credits:Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back - Luke Meets Yoda for the First Time [CLIP] | TNTOther Good Stuff:Got a question or comment?  Submit it here or email us at [email protected] the show

Send us Fan MailWe saved the best for last. Enjoy our final interview from our Midwest 2024 booth. This interview features our good friend Owen. Where is he from? Don't know. What does he do? Not sure? What does he look like? Don't have a picture. Was he fun to interview? YES - in fact, he was amazing! Too bad you won't get to hear it. We know we continue to meet, and perhaps, surpass your expectations each and every week. You can look forward to five more episodes this season. Who knows what will happen. Thanks for listening and putting up with this awful podcast.Chris will try to do better.Support the show

Send us Fan MailThis Beyond ArtLess Short was captured during our live recording sessions at the 2024 Midwest Clinic. A heartfelt thank you to Eric Songer and John Stewart for stepping in as guest hosts for several episodes. We’re especially grateful to everyone who willingly stopped by to participate in an interview—and to those who accidentally wandered down the wrong aisle and found themselves part of the action, our sincere apologies!Want to find out more about the Beyond The Notes Festival or ComMission Possible Project? Click here to learn more.  Got a question or comment?  Submit it here or email us at [email protected] the show