Breaking Precedent

What happens when healthcare innovation stops chasing disruption and starts earning trust?This summer, Breaking Precedent is revisiting conversations that feel just as resonant now as when they were first recorded. In this episode, Leah Solivan sits down with Halle Tecco to explore healthcare as one of the most complex, resistant, and consequential systems in American life.Halle Tecco is a founder, investor, educator, and system-level thinker who has spent her career seeing around corners in healthcare. From founding Rock Health to backing health innovators, building companies, teaching, writing, and pushing the industry to prove what actually works, Halle has been asking the questions healthcare often avoids: who gets care, who gets left behind, who benefits from complexity, and what would it take to build something meaningfully better?The conversation traces Halle's path from a practical Midwest upbringing to the early days of digital health, the rise of Rock Health, the pandemic's impact on healthcare technology, and the ideas behind her book, Massively Better Healthcare. Leah and Halle explore access, trust, data, incentives, patient power, women in healthcare leadership, founder responsibility, and why healthcare needs builders who are willing to understand the whole system, not just the product they are trying to sell.## Relaunch ContextThis episode originally captured a moment when healthcare innovation was moving from early digital health optimism into a more serious conversation about proof, trust, outcomes, and responsibility. The replay is preserved because those questions have only become more urgent: how to use technology without losing humanity, how to fix incentives that reward the wrong outcomes, and how to build healthcare systems that serve more people instead of simply extracting more value from them.Key InsightsHealthcare access is shaped by income, geography, race, job, literacy, time, and support, not only by clinical care.Engagement with the healthcare system is itself a privilege.Healthcare innovation has to confront fairness, not just efficiency.Rock Health was built around the belief that technology talent and healthcare institutions needed a bridge.The pandemic forced healthcare organizations to adopt technology faster than they had before, and some of that innovation muscle remained.Healthcare has a data problem in both directions: data is underused for outcomes and misused or exposed through security failures.Proof of concept is not the same as proof of impact.Healthcare often has an implementation problem, not an innovation problem.Founders need to understand when a problem is technological, regulatory, behavioral, or structural.Medication adherence cannot be solved only with better apps if the biggest barrier is the high cost of prescriptions.Healthcare deserves beautiful, impressive technology, but it only matters if it improves outcomes, access, cost, or experience.Venture timelines can conflict with healthcare timelines when investors push growth before evidence is ready.Patient data, pricing, and options are still too often controlled through information asymmetry.Annual insurance enrollment creates a short-term incentive system for problems that need long-term solutions.Massively better healthcare means better access, better continuity, and better alignment between effort and outcome for more people.Breaking precedent in healthcare means moving wisely, proving what works, and building systems that actually serve.Timestamps00:00 Welcome back to Breaking Precedent00:21 Why Halle Tecco's healthcare insights still matter01:00 Leah introduces Halle Tecco02:40 Halle joins the conversation03:00 Icebreaker: the life experience that changed how Halle thinks about healthcare03:40 Healthcare as a system of haves and have-nots05:10 Growing up in a practical Midwest family07:20 Learning to question systems and fairness08:40 Seeing healthcare beyond medicine10:20 Calling out bad actors from outside the system11:20 Women, leadership, and paternalism in healthcare13:00 The origin of Rock Health14:20 Seeing the digital health opportunity before it was obvious15:00 Bridging Silicon Valley startups and healthcare institutions16:00 What traditional healthcare got wrong about startups16:50 How the pandemic forced healthcare technology adoption18:00 AI adoption, healthcare data, and the next frontier19:40 Underused data, misused data, and cybersecurity risk20:30 Healthcare's proof problem21:30 Proof of concept versus proof of impact22:40 Myths healthcare founders need to unlearn23:20 Medication adherence and the real barrier of drug cost24:20 Why founders need to advocate beyond their own product25:40 Impressive technology versus meaningful outcomes27:00 Venture timelines and healthcare evidence28:40 The danger of grow-at-all-costs thinking in healthcare29:20 The most dangerous precedent healthcare treats as inevitable30:00 Paternalism, patient data, and information asymmetry31:00 Healthcare pricing and the lack of transparency32:40 Misaligned incentives across payment and outcomes35:10 Halle's book, Massively Better Healthcare36:40 Why now is the moment for better healthcare tools37:00 What "massively better" means38:00 Who the book is for39:10 Big precedents, small precedents, and ripple effects41:20 The uncomfortable truth about incumbents and fairness42:30 What Halle wants readers to do after finishing the book45:00 Closing reflectionAbout the GuestHalle Tecco is a founder, investor, educator, writer, and healthcare innovation leader. She founded Rock Health, one of the earliest organizations focused on digital health startups, and has spent more than a decade helping builders, funders, and institutions understand how healthcare can change.Her work sits at the intersection of technology, public health, venture, patient access, and system design. Through investing, teaching, podcasting, writing, and her book Massively Better Healthcare, Halle challenges innovators to move beyond incremental optimization and build healthcare that is meaningfully better for more people.Connect with LeahWebsite: breakingprecedent.comInstagram: @leah_solivanX: @labunleashed

This special summer compilation episode of Breaking Precedent asks a different David and Goliath question: what does it take to change an industry when Goliath controls the rules? Across real estate, rooftop solar, healthcare, consumer products, beverages, and food, the episode traces what happens when founders challenge systems that were built to protect incumbents.Austin Allison describes the lawsuits, legal threats, and cease-and-desist letters that followed dotloop’s attempt to digitize real-estate transactions. Lynn Jurich revisits the rooftop-solar fight in Nevada, where a powerful utility tried to change the economics of distributed energy retroactively and force a new model back into the old rules.Halle Tecco brings the theme into healthcare, naming the way incumbents can outspend challengers, bend policy, and make a noble goal feel like a fair contest when it is not. Eric Ryan explains how Method challenged the consumer-products giants that already controlled the shelves. Kara Goldin shares why Hint refused to accept preservatives and industry defaults as inevitable. Patrick Brown closes with the first-principles approach behind Impossible Foods and the idea that a massive problem can still be broken into solvable pieces.Together, these conversations make the case that a better product is only the beginning. The real breaking point comes when the incumbent system decides the challenger is a threat, and the founder has to keep building through resistance, skepticism, regulation, capital, habit, and the temptation to give up.Key InsightsA monopoly can protect itself through contracts, policy, distribution, capital, or habit.Resistance is often evidence that a new model is threatening an old profit pool.Passion matters because changing an entrenched market is too hard to sustain as a purely abstract exercise.Founders need allies and ground-level organizing, not only a strong product.Industry defaults often survive because nobody asks who benefits from them.A new category can begin with a smaller product, a different process, or a better question.Large problems become more workable when they are broken into solvable components.The most durable disruption creates a precedent that other people can build on.Timestamps00:00 Rigged Systems01:19 Real Estate Forms War03:01 Solar Versus Utilities04:24 Healthcare Incumbents05:34 Founder Passion Test08:33 Changing Real Estate12:03 Network Effects Resistance15:06 Change Management Playbook17:55 Book Takeaways19:34 Method Origin Story21:03 Design Meets Sustainability22:23 Co Founder Dynamic22:50 Risk And Roles23:06 Bootstrapping Method23:57 De Risking The Idea25:15 Cold Email Design28:07 Target Breakthrough29:52 Hint Shelf Life33:18 Integrity Over Easy36:42 Impossible Foods Mission39:15 Solving Big Problems40:23 Silicon Valley CultureFeatured VoicesLeah Solivan, Austin Allison, Lynn Jurich, Halle Tecco, Eric Ryan, Kara Goldin, and Patrick Brown.Connect with LeahWebsite: https://www.breakingprecedent.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leah_solivan/X: https://twitter.com/labunleashed

What if the parts of us we try hardest to hide are actually where our strongest leadership begins?This summer, Breaking Precedent is revisiting conversations that feel just as relevant now as when they were first recorded. In this episode, Bonobos co-founder, author, and Pie founder Andy Dunn joins Leah Solivan to talk about building something non-consensus, navigating identity, living with bipolar disorder, and finding meaning beyond achievement.Andy is best known for helping pioneer direct-to-consumer retail through Bonobos, which grew from a better-fitting men’s pants idea into a category-shaping brand. But what makes this conversation so powerful is not just the company-building story. It is Andy’s willingness to talk honestly about the unseen costs of ambition, the pressure to perform, and the danger of confusing success with wholeness.The conversation explores growing up in a biracial household in suburban Chicago, learning to embrace difference, founding Bonobos at the dawn of digital retail, selling the company to Walmart, and writing Burn Rate, Andy’s memoir about entrepreneurship and bipolar disorder. Leah and Andy also discuss mental health stigma, the role of love and accountability in healing, the need for real-life community, and why his newest company, Pie, is focused on helping people build meaningful offline friendships.Relaunch ContextThis conversation originally captured Andy in a new chapter after Bonobos and Burn Rate, as he was building Pie around the problem of loneliness and real-life connection. That mission has only become more timely. As of 2026, Andy is still actively building Pie in Chicago as a platform designed to bring people together in real life and combat social isolation. The replay is preserved because its larger themes of vulnerability, mental health, identity, community, and building against consensus remain central to the Breaking Precedent mission.Timestamps00:00 Why this conversation matters now00:49 Andy Dunn on breaking precedent00:58 Welcome to Breaking Precedent01:10 Introducing Andy Dunn01:20 Building Bonobos01:35 Identity, humor, and belonging02:00 Bonobos, Walmart, and success beyond the exit02:10 Burn Rate and mental health02:50 Building Pie and real-life connection03:30 Andy Dunn joins Leah03:50 What it means to be a precedent breaker05:00 Growing up in a multicultural household05:20 Becoming aware of difference06:30 Wanting to fit in07:20 Finding power in what makes you different08:20 Early self-expression and fashion09:50 Family, leadership, and cultural heritage11:50 Early ideas about entrepreneurship13:20 Michael Jordan, Chicago, and entrepreneurial aspiration14:50 Northwestern, consulting, and business ambition15:50 Stanford GSB and learning to dream bigger18:20 Meeting Brian Spaly and the Bonobos origin story20:30 Why new companies have to be non-consensus21:30 Helping men care about fit23:00 Building a better digital customer experience24:50 Guide shops and the return to physical retail25:50 Nordstrom and breaking the DTC playbook27:50 Bonobos’ legacy in modern digital brands29:00 Lessons from trying to build software inside Bonobos31:30 Writing Burn Rate and revealing a hidden story32:20 Being diagnosed with bipolar disorder33:30 Understanding mania, hypomania, and psychosis35:30 Denial, family culture, and burying the diagnosis36:50 Entrepreneurship and mood disorders37:30 Living for years without facing the diagnosis40:20 A second manic episode and much higher stakes42:00 Shame, legal consequences, and depression43:10 Recovery, treatment, and support44:20 Love, accountability, and Manuela’s family45:00 Why language matters around mental illness46:30 Culture, therapy, and difficult conversations50:20 Understanding neurodiversity and mental hygiene51:40 Why everyone should think about mental fitness52:40 Turning perceived weakness into superpower53:20 The gift is in the wound54:30 Taking off the mask in the second half of life56:40 Building Pie57:00 From senior dating to platonic friendship58:50 Discovering the need for real-life connection59:40 Rebuilding Pie in person in Chicago01:01:30 The next social network may compete for offline attention01:02:40 AI, friendship, and better matching01:04:30 Redefining success01:05:30 Seasons of sacrifice, family, and future meaning01:07:00 The societal precedent Andy wants to break01:07:10 Building friendships across political difference01:09:30 Mind, gut, and heart in decision-making01:10:40 Leah’s closing reflection01:11:10 Vulnerability, neurodiversity, and perceived weakness as strengthAbout the GuestAndy Dunn is an entrepreneur, author, and investor best known as the co-founder of Bonobos, one of the early direct-to-consumer brands that helped reshape modern retail. Bonobos pioneered new ways of combining digital commerce, customer experience, fit, and later physical guide shops before being acquired by Walmart.Andy is also the author of Burn Rate: Launching a Startup and Losing My Mind, a memoir about building Bonobos while living with bipolar disorder. Today, he is the founder of Pie, a Chicago-based platform focused on helping people build real-life friendships and fight social isolation.Connect with LeahWebsite: breakingprecedent.comInstagram: @leah_solivanX: @labunleashed

This special summer episode of Breaking Precedent asks the question success does not answer for you: now what? Across Olympic competition, company building, professional sports, venture-backed startups, and personal reinvention, the episode traces what happens after the medal, the acquisition, the stadium, or the thing you built no longer defines your day.Nastia Liukin reflects on standing on the Olympic podium and feeling the fear that can arrive inside a moment everyone expects to feel only triumphant. Leah Solivan connects that feeling to the sale of TaskRabbit to IKEA, when a dream outcome also meant letting go of a company that had become part of her identity. Austin Allison talks about the constant pull of the next mountain after Zillow and the long path toward Pacaso. Ryan Nece describes the withdrawal from professional football, the fight with ego, and why building a startup was harder than being on the field.Julie Rice adds the emotional disorientation of leaving SoulCycle and learning what it means for a brand to live beyond its founder. Bianca Gates shares how Birdies began through imperfect first steps, good-enough prototypes, and the decision to keep walking before everything was figured out. Andy Dunn brings the theme to its deepest edge, naming the way identity can become a mask and how the second half of life asks us to take it off.Together, these conversations make the case that achievement can be meaningful without being complete. The real breaking point comes after the win, when the old scorecard stops working and the next chapter has to be built from something deeper than applause.Key InsightsSuccess can create a new kind of uncertainty because it removes the goal that once organized your life.A medal, title, company, relationship, or salary can be meaningful without being the thing that defines who someone is.For founders, selling a company can feel like both relief and grief, especially when the company has become part of the founder's identity.Ambition can inspire risk, sacrifice, and leadership, but it can also make every milestone feel insufficient.The transition out of professional sports can feel like withdrawal from significance, spotlight, and structure.Perfectionism can help someone reach excellence, but the same pattern can become limiting when life no longer has a clear scoring system.Reinvention does not always require a perfect plan. Sometimes it starts with a good-enough first version and a willingness to keep walking.The work after success is not only about building again. It is about learning how to live without needing the old role to prove your worth.Timestamps00:00 The Question Success Does Not Answer00:33 Nastia On The Podium Now What02:02 Identity Beyond Winning02:26 TaskRabbit Exit Emotions06:29 Achievement Withdrawal08:18 Zillow Exit Next Mission11:15 Retirement Feels Empty12:04 Athlete Withdrawal Ego14:16 Perfectionism Unlearning16:44 Life After Scoring17:40 Startup Harder Than Sports19:43 SoulCycle After Leaving22:11 Peoplehood Relational Health24:28 Birdies Done Better28:27 Leap From Facebook31:40 Taking off the MaskFeatured VoicesNastia Liukin, Stacy Brown-Philpot, Austin Allison, Ryan Nece, Julie Rice, Bianca Gates, and Andy Dunn.Connect with LeahWebsite: https://www.breakingprecedent.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leah_solivan/X: https://twitter.com/labunleashed

What happens when leadership becomes a way of creating opportunity for other people?This summer, Breaking Precedent is revisiting conversations that feel just as resonant now as when they were first recorded. In this episode, Leah Solivan sits down with Stacy Brown-Philpot to explore leadership, resilience, trust, and what it means to build systems that help more people participate in wealth creation.Stacy Brown-Philpot is a longtime operator, board leader, investor, and former CEO of TaskRabbit whose career spans Google, the gig economy, inclusive capital, and the launch of Cherry Rock Capital. Her story begins in Detroit, in a four-generation household shaped by women who taught her to stand up for herself, care for others, and never let circumstances define who she could become.The conversation traces Stacy's path from Detroit to Penn, Stanford, Google, TaskRabbit, SoftBank, and Cherry Rock Capital. Leah and Stacy reflect on what it takes to build trust inside a company, why TaskRabbit's human side mattered as much as its technology, how hard decisions can save a business, and why access to capital is not a pipeline problem. They also explore candor, resilience, inclusive investing, AI, founder self-awareness, and the leadership work of becoming more fully yourself.Relaunch ContextThis episode originally captured Stacy Brown-Philpot at a moment of reflection across multiple chapters of her career: operator, CEO, board member, investor, and founder. The replay is preserved because its larger themes remain urgent: how leaders tell the truth without losing humanity, how companies scale without flattening trust, and how capital can become a tool for changing who gets to build enduring businesses.Timestamps00:00 Welcome back to Breaking Precedent00:21 Stacy Brown-Philpot's leadership through line01:20 Leah introduces Stacy Brown-Philpot02:20 Icebreaker: Detroit roots and karaoke confidence04:20 Growing up in a four-generation Detroit household05:30 Learning to stand up for yourself06:40 Being the only woman or only Black person in the room08:20 Candor, hard decisions, and withholding judgment09:40 Education, reading, and learning how to learn12:20 Choosing Penn and discovering Wharton13:40 Goldman, Google, and strong company cultures15:50 Detroit resilience and Stanford perspective18:00 What educators should understand about spotting potential19:30 Responsibility, motivation, and doing well by doing good20:30 Early signs of leadership22:00 Entering TaskRabbit and scaling the company24:00 Culture, free lunch, and building connection inside the office26:40 TaskRabbit, human trust, and the gig economy29:20 Scaling without commoditizing human work30:00 Changing the TaskRabbit model31:10 The London launch and the hard reset32:10 Conviction during backlash33:40 What an AI-native TaskRabbit could look like36:00 The board vote to sell TaskRabbit to IKEA39:50 Moving from operator to investor42:00 SoftBank Opportunity Fund and turning outrage into action44:20 Why there was no pipeline problem45:00 Inclusive capital is not charity46:00 Cherry Rock Capital and the Series A gap48:00 Hard truths with kindness50:10 Coaching founders after the check51:30 Founder traits, grit, teams, and self-awareness53:50 Responsibility after success55:00 Changing the face of wealth creation55:40 Rejecting the 24-hour work culture56:50 Becoming who you really are58:00 Closing reflectionAbout the GuestStacy Brown-Philpot is an operator, investor, board leader, and former CEO of TaskRabbit. Her career has included leadership roles at Google and TaskRabbit, board service across major companies, work with the SoftBank Opportunity Fund, and the founding of Cherry Rock Capital.Across her work, Stacy has focused on building systems that create opportunity: for employees, taskers, founders, and communities that have historically had less access to capital and power. Her leadership reflects a belief that resilience, candor, trust, and responsibility can shape not only individual careers, but the structure of who gets to build and benefit from the futureConnect with LeahWebsite: breakingprecedent.comInstagram: @leah_solivanX: @labunleashed

This special summer episode of Breaking Precedent brings together six investors who are each rewriting the assumptions behind who gets funded. Across venture capital, professional sports, and philanthropy, the conversation traces where the industry's oldest excuses fall apart, and what these investors built instead.Samara Mejia Hernandez talks about building Chingona Ventures around the fastest growing, least funded founder population in the country. Stacy Brown-Philpot explains how she and two co-founders proved there was no pipeline problem, and why that discovery led her to launch Cherry Rock Capital. Ryan Nece reflects on what he saw handing money to unqualified advisors in professional sports, and why he built Next Play Capital instead. Ann Miura-Ko traces how much less capital it now takes to start a company, and questions whether venture has built enough tools beyond its own standard model. Aaron Holiday breaks down the structural math problem that led him to co-found 645 Ventures. Shiza Shahid describes why she left nonprofit fundraising for an investing model that let her stay closer to the work.Together, these conversations make the case that capital is never neutral. Access is a decision, not a law of nature.Key InsightsWhat sounds like a pipeline problem in venture is usually a myth. The real gap shows up later, at Series A.Framing founder diversity as charity misses the point. These investors underwrite for returns, not goodwill.Access to capital does not guarantee access to good advice.Pattern matching rewards familiarity. Thoughtfulness rewards attention.The amount of capital a company needs to start has changed faster than venture's own toolkit.Timestamps00:00 Capital’s Clean Myth00:35 Scarcity to Math Drive01:53 Naming Chingona Ventures03:06 Breaking Into Venture04:47 Investing in the New Majority06:16 Opportunity Fund Origin Story08:46 Killing the Charity Narrative10:01 Coaching as Value Add12:58 Cherry Rock Series A Gap14:44 Athlete Founder Reality Check17:53 Building Thoughtful Access20:14 Thoughtful as Greatness21:31 Beyond Founder Stereotypes22:47 Athlete Career Transitions23:57 Anne Mirakos VC Origin26:27 Networking Without Networking27:48 From 911 to New VC30:21 Fixing Venture Incentives33:36 Building Cornell Tech37:52 Why Six Four Five39:23 Shiz Shahid on Impact41:47 Founder Empathy InvestingFeatured VoicesSamara Mejia Hernandez (Chingona Ventures), Stacy Brown-Philpot (Cherry Rock Capital), Ryan Nece (Next Play Capital), Ann Miura-Ko (Floodgate), Aaron Holiday (645 Ventures), and Shiza Shahid.ResourcesBreaking Precedent: https://www.breakingprecedent.com/Fund and company websites for the six guests are not stated in the transcript and are not included here. Source and confirm them before publishing rather than guessing at URLs.Connect with LeahWebsite: https://www.breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leah_solivan/ X: https://twitter.com/labunleashed

What happens when culture becomes a form of leadership?This summer, Breaking Precedent is revisiting conversations that feel just as resonant now as when they were first recorded. In this episode, Leah Solivan sits down with Derrick T. Jones, better known as D-Nice, to explore how music, creativity, and shared experience can become infrastructure for connection.D-Nice is a legendary DJ, photographer, producer, and cultural connector whose career spans the early days of hip-hop, reinvention through technology, and the global phenomenon of Club Quarantine. What began as an Instagram Live DJ set during the isolation of COVID became a virtual gathering place for millions, reminding people that music can do more than entertain. It can hold people together.The conversation traces D-Nice’s path from hip-hop pioneer to world-renowned DJ, his role in the Stop the Violence Movement, the responsibility artists carry in public life, and why joy itself can be a serious form of service. Leah and D-Nice also explore reinvention, optimism, technology, execution, and what it means to build spaces where people feel seen, included, and connected.Relaunch ContextThis episode originally captured a moment when the memory of Club Quarantine was still closely tied to the isolation and uncertainty of the pandemic. The replay is preserved because its larger themes remain urgent: how culture builds community, how artists can lead without becoming detached from humanity, and how shared joy can become a public good in fractured times.Key InsightsCulture is not just entertainment; it can become infrastructure for belonging.Music can create community across geography, industry, generation, and status.Reinvention is not a single pivot; it is a lifelong creative discipline.Technology can amplify connection when it is used in service of human presence.Club Quarantine worked because it gave people more than a soundtrack; it gave them a place to gather.Artists carry responsibility because their work shapes the emotional atmosphere of a culture.Joy can be a serious intervention during seasons of fear, loneliness, and uncertainty.The Stop the Violence Movement showed how hip-hop could respond directly to social crisis.Execution matters as much as ideas, especially when trying to reach people at scale.Breaking precedent can mean refusing to let success harden into a fixed identity.Timestamps00:00 Welcome back to Breaking Precedent00:21 Misty Copeland’s farewell gala02:00 Career shifts and the impact of COVID02:45 Icebreaker: reinventing yourself04:00 Childhood memories and early upbringing07:00 Entering hip-hop at a young age13:00 Technology, creativity, and new tools for artists23:00 Community, generosity, and giving back29:00 The musical journey into DJing35:00 Creating “Stop the Violence”39:00 Hope and optimism in difficult times40:00 Politics, culture, and personal reflection42:00 The birth of Club Quarantine42:21 How Club Quarantine evolved53:00 From virtual parties to iconic venues58:00 Reinvention and resilience in entertainment01:06:00 AI, technology, and the future of creativity01:11:56 Ideas, execution, and thinking about the massesAbout the GuestDerrick T. Jones, known professionally as D-Nice, is a DJ, photographer, producer, and cultural curator whose career spans decades at the intersection of music, art, technology, and community. He first rose to prominence in hip-hop before becoming one of the most influential DJs of his generation.During the COVID-19 pandemic, D-Nice created Club Quarantine, a virtual DJ gathering that brought people together through Instagram Live and became one of the defining cultural moments of lockdown. His work continues to demonstrate how music can build bridges across communities, industries, and generations.D-NiceClub QuarantineBoogie Down ProductionsStop the Violence MovementResourcesD-NiceClub QuarantineBoogie Down ProductionsStop the Violence MovementMisty CopelandCarnegie HallKennedy CenterHollywood BowlAI and creativityConnect with LeahWebsite: breakingprecedent.comInstagram: @leah_solivanX: @labunleashed

This special summer compilation of Breaking Precedent brings together artists and culture makers who have each broken precedent in a different way. Across Broadway, music, food, visual art, ballet, and memoir, the episode explores how artists sense cultural change before systems have language for it.Rachel Sussman talks about theater that asks hard questions. D-Nice reflects on Club Quarantine as a cultural lifeline. Christina Tosi explains how limitation can become the creative engine. Windy Chien connects outsider identity to artistic freedom. Tamara Rojo reframes ballet as an art form of reinvention and emotional access. Sarah Hoover speaks about turning rage and postpartum pain into work that other people can recognize.Together, these conversations make the case that art is not downstream from culture. Artists often move first.Key InsightsStorytelling can reach culture faster than policy.Limitation can force originality.Digital spaces can become meaningful cultural rooms when people need connection.Being outside a system can make it easier to build by your own rules.Great institutions survive by changing while protecting what matters.Art can give language to private experiences people rarely say out loud.Timestamps00:00 Artists move first00:25 Rachel Sussman on art with social conscience01:55 Storytelling and political culture04:30 Hillary Clinton, Malala, and Broadway producing07:17 Liberation, motherhood, and intergenerational progress12:30 Broadway's financial model14:42 D-Nice on creative reinvention17:20 Club Quarantine as culture20:50 Christina Tosi and the empty pantry25:45 Limitation as creativity29:10 Windy Chien on outsider identity33:35 Planning a creative leap37:25 Tamara Rojo on ballet and reinvention42:00 Ballet as emotion in movement45:52 Sarah Hoover on rage and art48:05 Artists make the invisible visibleFeatured VoicesRachel Sussman, D-Nice, Christina Tosi, Windy Chien, Tamara Rojo, and Sarah Hoover.ResourcesMilk Bar: https://milkbarstore.com/Christina Tosi: https://www.christinatosi.com/Windy Chien: https://www.windychien.com/San Francisco Ballet: https://www.sfcballet.org/

What if the healthcare system is not simply broken, but producing exactly what it was designed to produce?This summer, Breaking Precedent is revisiting conversations that feel just as urgent now as when they were first recorded. In this episode, emergency physician and author Dr. Thomas Fisher joins Leah Solivan to examine what the ER reveals about American society, why caring clinicians can still become trapped inside harmful systems, and what it means to move upstream from treatment toward public action.Dr. Fisher grew up on Chicago's South Side and has spent more than two decades caring for patients in the community that raised him. He explains why the emergency department became his window into inequality: everybody gets sick, everybody gets injured, and every failure outside the hospital eventually arrives inside it.The conversation explores The Emergency, the patient stories healthcare workers carry, what COVID revealed about public health, how metrics can improve or distort care, why startups cannot fix healthcare alone, and why the moral purpose of the system must be to protect one another when we are vulnerable.Relaunch ContextThis interview was recorded while Dr. Fisher was running for the Democratic nomination in Illinois' 7th Congressional District. The primary took place on March 17, 2026; State Representative La Shawn Ford won the nomination, and Dr. Fisher did not advance. The campaign portion is preserved as recorded because its larger themes of service, policy, truth, and moral responsibility remain relevant.Key InsightsEmergency medicine requires finding the signal inside a constant flood of decisions and distractions.The ER is one of the few places where every part of society still enters through the same door.Entrenched systems often create exactly the outcomes they were designed to create.Caregivers and patients can be trapped together inside the same harmful structure.COVID exposed systemic weakness while also demonstrating the power of science and public-health execution.Metrics need a clearly defined moral purpose or they become targets to manipulate.Entrepreneurship can build necessary healthcare tools, but only public systems can guarantee that everyone is included.Moving upstream means addressing the policy and economic conditions that repeatedly send people into crisis.We do not control every outcome, but we can choose how we live and serve.Timestamps00:00 Why this conversation remains relevant00:49 Welcome to Breaking Precedent01:30 Non-obvious superpowers02:38 Finding the signal in the noise04:30 Growing up on Chicago's South Side06:35 Family, education, and a legacy of service09:00 Learning the stories history books left out10:00 Seeing unequal systems from both sides14:25 Leaving Chicago for Dartmouth15:55 Violence, safety, and the desire for a different experience17:35 Choosing medicine19:20 Meaning, grief, and the illusion of stability20:45 Why emergency medicine became his calling21:38 The ER as society's common denominator23:35 Writing The Emergency as a love letter25:10 Systems working as designed27:40 The patient story that still stays with him30:10 What healthcare workers carry from COVID31:05 Why public health may be worse off32:30 The vaccine as a triumph of American ingenuity33:15 When metrics replace the patient36:30 The moral purpose of healthcare36:50 EMTALA, emergency care, and the missing next step39:00 Entrepreneurship and healthcare innovation40:30 Why startups are only part of the solution42:38 Moving from bedside care toward public service43:10 Why treating patients was no longer enough44:00 Choosing how to live45:05 Entering public service as a doctor46:00 Learning the machinery of politics48:25 Healthcare, public safety, and shared responsibility50:50 Universal coverage52:30 Truth and courage in Congress54:00 A toast to the ancestors56:00 Remembering we are part of something bigger57:05 Closing reflectionAbout the GuestDr. Thomas Fisher is a board-certified emergency medicine physician, author, and public-health leader who has spent more than two decades caring for patients on Chicago's South Side. He studied at Dartmouth College, the University of Chicago School of Medicine, and the Harvard School of Public Health, and previously served as a White House Fellow.He is the author of The Emergency: A Year of Healing and Heartbreak in a Chicago ER. In 2026, he ran in the Democratic primary for Illinois' 7th Congressional District.Dr. Thomas FisherThe EmergencyUniversity of Chicago MedicineResourcesThe Emergency by Thomas FisherRedesign HealthMiSalud HealthMedicareMedicaidConnect with LeahWebsite: breakingprecedent.comInstagram: @leah_solivanX: @labunleashed

During our summer break, we're revisiting a compilation of previously released episodes about a healthcare system that is at once the most advanced in the world and one of the most broken. Hear Halle Tecco on why healthcare can't absorb its own innovation, Dr. Thomas Fisher on a system that's working exactly as designed, Lynn Jurich on the research gap that overlooked women's bodies, Kevin Caldwell of Ossium Health on prevention at the cellular level, and Andy Dunn on why mental health is health.  Together, these stories trace why the system stays broken and introduce the people working to change it. Broken System: Halle Tecco on What it Takes to Build Massively Better Healthcare Listen here: Apple | SpotifyEmergency Break: A Doctor's Case for Rebuilding the System, Not Just Treating the Symptoms Listen here: Apple | SpotifyShattering the Grid: Lynn Jurich on Electrifying Homes and Extending Women's Lives Listen here: Apple | SpotifyBreaking Bad: Kevin Caldwell and Ossium Health is Banking on Bone Marrow for Curing Cancers and Transforming Longevity Listen here: Apple | SpotifyThe Breakdown: Andy Dunn on Building Bonobos, Battling Bipolar, and Baking Pie Listen here: Apple | SpotifyHalle Tecco Halle Tecco is a healthcare investor, operator, and educator who founded Rock Health, the first venture fund dedicated to digital health. An angel investor and longtime voice in health innovation, she frames healthcare around the "iron triangle," now four aims of better outcomes, greater access, lower cost, and a better experience, and argues the industry has "an implementation problem, not an innovation problem." In this episode she draws on case studies from her work, including PillPack and the cautionary tale of uBiome, to explain why the system so often rewards incumbents over better ideas. Connect with Halle Tecco on LinkedIn and at halletecco.comDr. Thomas Fisher Dr. Thomas Fisher is an emergency physician and the author of The Emergency: A Year of Healing and Heartbreak in a Chicago ER. Writing and practicing from inside an overwhelmed emergency department, he makes the case that the system is "working as designed," built to step in when things go wrong rather than to keep people well, and that its true moral purpose is to protect us when we are most vulnerable. In this episode he shares the story of a COVID-era patient he couldn't save, and how the same metrics that hide problems can be used to close equity gaps. Dr. Fisher is now a candidate for U.S. Congress in Illinois, carrying his case for rebuilding the system into public office. Connect with Dr. Thomas Fisher on LinkedIn and learn about his campaign at Thomas Fisher for CongressLynn Jurich Lynn Jurich is a serial entrepreneur best known as the co-founder and former CEO of Sunrun, which she led for 16 years and took public as the largest residential solar company in the U.S. After a health scare in her early forties, she turned her attention to female longevity, building a new standard of precision, prevention-first care for women. In this episode she confronts how little research exists on women's bodies, noting that before 2016, 80% of NIH studies were conducted only on men, and what it would take to change that. Connect with Lynn Jurich on LinkedInKevin Caldwell Kevin Caldwell is the co-founder of Ossium Health, which is building the first large-scale bank of bone-marrow stem cells for cell therapies, and a Bridgewater Associates alum. Convinced that rising healthcare costs are better solved through biotechnology than through politics, he champions proactive, preventative medicine: banking your own stem cells while you're young and healthy, the way you might fund a 401(k). His guiding line, borrowed from Virgil's Aeneid: "the greatest wealth is health." Learn more about Ossium Health and connect with Kevin Caldwell on LinkedInAndy Dunn Andy Dunn is the co-founder and former CEO of Bonobos, the menswear brand acquired by Walmart, and the author of Burn Rate: Launching a Startup and Losing My Mind, a memoir about building a company while living with bipolar disorder. A leading voice on founder mental health, he speaks candidly about diagnosis, a second manic episode at the height of his success, recovery, and the conviction that mental health is not separate from physical health. Connect with Andy Dunn at andydunn.com and on InstagramResources: Rock Health PillPack Outlive (Peter Attia) Sunrun The Emergency (Thomas Fisher) Burn Rate (Andy Dunn) Bonobos NIHShow Notes:00:00 – The most advanced system in the world, and one of the most broken00:25 – Welcome to Breaking Precedent00:35 – Halle Tecco: growing up on Medicaid, the haves and have-nots01:10 – Where you live predicts how long you live02:13 – It's not effort: the incentives don't match02:28 – "Death by pilot": an implementation problem, not innovation03:40 – The system is rigged: incumbents, PillPack, and the DC lobby04:33 – From the iron triangle to four aims: follow the evidence05:23 – Founders carry the full stack06:00 – Venture timelines vs. healthcare, and the uBiome cautionary tale08:01 – Nobody knows what anything costs08:25 – Built for emergencies: why inefficiency is a feature08:56 – Dr. Thomas Fisher: "working as designed"10:13 – The story that keeps him up at night12:33 – Health is economic13:03 – Misinformation, vaccines, and losing sight of the stakes14:48 – Juking the stats, and using metrics to close the gap17:02 – Lynn Jurich: from sick care to health span17:43 – Neck surgery at 41 and the women's-health research gap19:45 – Precision, prevention-first care for women21:22 – Kevin Caldwell: prevention at the cellular l...

What if the real value in a startup is not the code you write, but the learning you earn?Eric Ries, author of The Lean Startup and Incorruptible, joins Leah Solivan on Breaking Precedent to talk about the painful lessons behind the Lean Startup movement, why AI does not replace human learning, and how founders can build companies designed to stay mission-driven over time.Eric shares the IMVU story that shaped his thinking: after months of engineering work, the team realized they had built around the wrong customer behavior. That experience led him to the core insight behind The Lean Startup: progress in uncertainty should be measured by validated learning, not by how much product has been built.Leah and Eric also discuss the Long-Term Stock Exchange, the short-term incentives of public markets, and Eric's new book, Incorruptible: Why Good Companies Go Bad...and How Great Companies Stay Great. Eric argues that many companies are not truly mission-driven; they are mission hopeful. To endure, companies need structures that protect trust, purpose, and long-term value when the pressure to optimize for transactions, growth at all costs, or conventional "best practices" gets loud.Key InsightsFailure taught Eric lessons that theory could not.The IMVU pivot showed him that building more code is not the same thing as creating more value.If you do not know who the customer is, you do not know what quality means.AI should help founders learn faster, not outsource the learning that creates startup value.Public markets often reward transaction volume rather than long-term company building.Mission-driven companies need governance, culture, and business models that protect the mission from corruption.Trust is a real business asset and can create a durable competitive advantage.Founders should question "best practice" advice when it pushes the company away from long-term value.Timestamps00:00 Coordinating the episode with Eric's book release00:38 Welcome to Breaking Precedent00:58 Leah and Eric's early connection through Floodgate and TaskRabbitEric Ries on Voluntary Exchange, Lean Startup Lessons, and Building the Long-Term Stock ExchangeHost Leah Sullivan (TaskRabbit founder and VC) interviews Eric Ries, creator of The Lean Startup and the Long-Term Stock Exchange (LTSE), discussing how voluntary exchange creates wealth when transactions are voluntary and informed, and how exploitative systems undermine trust. Ries reflects on growing up in San Diego in a family of Holocaust-survivor doctors, discovering programming and the early internet, and learning from a failed dot-com startup and the different attitudes toward failure on the East Coast versus Silicon Valley. He recounts IMVU’s early mistake—building for existing friends instead of new-friend discovery—leading to the insights behind MVPs, pivots, and validated learning. Ries explains LTSE as an SEC-regulated exchange designed to reward long-term, stakeholder-oriented governance, critiques transaction-volume incentives, and previews his book Incorruptible, a manual for building and protecting mission-driven companies, citing examples like Patagonia, IKEA, Costco, and Novo Nordisk and challenging “best practices” such as quarterly reporting.00:00 Voluntary Exchange Magic00:31 Meet Leah and Eric02:02 Old Friends and Investors03:15 Downturn Business Ideas05:17 Barter and Fair Rules07:24 Recession Policy and Power08:56 Early Life and Family Roots11:08 Programming and Internet Escape13:26 Yale Choice and Dotcom Era16:24 First Startup Failure Lessons19:46 IMVU Pivot Births Lean23:49 Minimum Viable Learning25:33 Building the Lean Framework27:12 Explaining Lean at IMVU28:48 Truth Over Convention30:09 Lean Startup in AI31:59 Why Build LTSE37:10 How LTSE Works39:36 Incorruptible Mission Companies43:27 Examples That Break Rules51:01 Kroger vs Costco Governance54:43 Closing ReflectionsAbout the GuestEric Ries is an entrepreneur and the author of The Lean Startup, The Startup Way, and Incorruptible: Why Good Companies Go Bad...and How Great Companies Stay Great. He is the founder of the Long-Term Stock Exchange and has worked with startups, large companies, nonprofits, and government organizations on innovation, validated learning, and long-term company building.Eric RiesIncorruptibleLong-Term Stock ExchangeResourcesIncorruptible by Eric RiesSimon & Schuster: IncorruptibleThe Long-Term Stock ExchangeThe Lean StartupIMVUTaskRabbitIKEANovo NordiskCostcoConnect with LeahWebsite: breakingprecedent.comInstagram: @leah_solivanX: @labunleashed

What if talent was never the real differentiator, but access was?Paige Hendrix Buckner, CEO of All Raise, joins Leah Solivan on Breaking Precedent for a conversation about who gets access to opportunity, who gets trusted with capital, and what it actually takes to change an entrenched system from the inside.Paige's path runs through education, public service, startups, venture capital, and now All Raise, where she is focused on increasing the power and influence of women and non-binary investors. She traces the throughline from her father's early lesson that relationships shape opportunity, to her years as a Teach For America educator, to her own experience as a founder trying to raise venture capital without understanding the rules of the game.What emerges is a clear argument about power: venture does not only reward talent. It rewards proximity, pattern matching, trust, and access. Paige and Leah unpack why representation is not enough if decision-making power does not move with it, why titles can obscure who actually controls capital, and why changing venture means changing the stories investors tell themselves about who gets to build the future.Key InsightsAccess can shape outcomes before talent ever gets seen.Relationships are not just networking; they are how people build trust, sponsorship, and opportunity.Teaching taught Paige to design with the person in mind, a lesson that later translated directly into startups and systems change.Venture capital is a black box for many founders because the rules are rarely made explicit.Representation is not the same as power. A title does not tell you who controls capital, leads deals, or wins board seats.Structural change requires focus, data, community trust, and the willingness to let go of work that no longer serves the mission.The future Paige is building is not just more women in venture, but more women and non-binary investors with real influence, capital, and gravity.Breaking precedent sometimes starts with an internal shift. For Paige, that meant allowing creativity to become part of her definition of success.Timestamps00:00 Access versus talent01:34 Welcome to Breaking Precedent01:48 Paige's early lesson about relationships03:36 Growing up in a family built on humor, support, and ambition05:57 Coach Who Changed Everything06:56 College Curiosity Path09:39 Teach For America Lessons12:27 Opportunity Gaps In Schools16:57 Portland Reset And Service19:35 Startup Weekend Spark20:56 Founder Gym And VC Basics21:39 Pitching Lessons And Narrative27:43 Underrepresented Founder Patterns28:41 Spotting Structural Bias29:01 Bias in Venture30:26 Network Over Talent32:07 Choosing to Change33:50 All Raise and 2 Percent35:09 Power Beyond Titles38:26 Big Firms vs New Funds42:15 Making Change Stick52:09 Vision for 203555:02 Redefining Success56:52 Creativity and ClosingAbout the GuestPaige Hendrix Buckner is the CEO of All Raise, a nonprofit working to accelerate the success of women and non-binary investors and founders in venture capital and technology. Her career spans education, public service, entrepreneurship, founder education, and venture ecosystem building. Before All Raise, Paige worked with Founder Gym, supporting underrepresented founders learning how to raise venture capital. Today, she leads All Raise's work to shift not only representation in venture, but real power, influence, and access to capital.Paige Hendrix Buckner on LinkedInAll RaiseResourcesAll RaisePaige Hendrix Buckner on LinkedInFounder GymTeach For AmericaUrban League of PortlandTaskRabbitFloodgateStitch FixSunrunForbes: All Raise CEO Paige Hendrix Buckner On Why Investors Should Bet On Women

What does it take to chase an impossible dream for sixteen years without becoming someone who cannot let it go?Dr. Eiman Jahangir has spent his adult life inside two systems that rarely sit beside each other: medicine and spaceflight. A cardiologist, professor, and commercial astronaut, he applied to NASA five times across sixteen years, was rejected each time, and finally flew with Blue Origin in August 2024 when commercial space cracked the door open.His first book, A Heart for Space, is now available for preorder. You can also preorder through Eiman’s author site and get a free first chapter.Eiman returns to Breaking Precedent for a follow-up conversation with Leah Solivan, with new updates from his time as an astronaut trainer at Blue Origin and the release of his first book, A Heart for Space.What emerges is not a story about luck or grit, but a clearer framework for pursuing seemingly impossible goals: be firm on the vision and flexible on the details, treat every rejection as feedback you can act on, and recognize that stability is both the platform that makes risk possible and the gravity that keeps most people from taking it. Eiman and Leah unpack the immigrant calculus of risk, the difference between persistence and delusion, why we are finally returning to the moon, how AI will reshape engineering and deep-space life, and what an astronaut does when the dream he organized his entire adult life around finally happens.Key Insights• Playing safe is rarely the conservative choice it pretends to be. For high-performers, it can be the slowest form of opportunity cost.• Vision and execution are different layers of a goal. The vision should be rigid; the path should be a draft you keep editing.• Markets create doors that institutions cannot. Commercial space made Eiman’s flight possible because NASA’s gatekeeping no longer defined the category.• Immigrant stability is double-edged. The same foundation that lets a person take a public risk also makes that risk feel disloyal to the people who built the foundation.• Persistence without feedback is delusion. Eiman kept applying because he kept evaluating why he was being passed over and adjusting what he could control.• Achieving the dream is not the end of the work. After the flight, the question becomes who else you can pull through the door behind you.• The most durable goals braid identity and craft. The book title is not a metaphor. He is a heart doctor with a literal heart for space.Timestamps00:00 Welcome back to Breaking Precedent01:00 When playing safe became the bigger risk03:00 Firm on the vision, flexible on the details04:30 What A Heart for Space actually means05:11 Pursuing space wholeheartedly06:30 Why we are finally going back to the moon08:00 How AI will accelerate space exploration10:30 Immigrant stability and the right to risk13:00 Telling your parents about your dream14:00 Persistence, stubbornness, or delusion15:00 The post-flight mission and Blue Origin chapter17:00 Where to preorder A Heart for SpaceAbout the GuestDr. Eiman Jahangir is a cardiologist, professor, and commercial astronaut. After applying to NASA five times across sixteen years, he flew to space with Blue Origin in August 2024 with the endorsement of the MoonDAO community. In 2025, he joined Blue Origin as an astronaut trainer, supporting research projects, payload work, and crew preparation. His first book, A Heart for Space, is a memoir and field guide for pursuing seemingly impossible goals and includes interviews with eight astronauts, including NASA administrator Jared Isaacman. He speaks internationally on persistence, leadership, and breaking precedent.Eiman’s WebsiteEiman’s LinkedInEiman’s InstagramResourcesA Heart for Space — Author site preorder, with free first chapterBlue OriginNASAMoonDAOProject Hail Mary by Andy WeirArtemis IIJessica MeirJared IsaacmanScott and Mark Kelly NASA Twins StudyLeah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with LeahWebsite: breakingprecedent.comInstagram: @leah_solivanX: @labunleashed

This is a replay of one of our most extraordinary conversations, recorded just before and immediately after Dr. Eiman Jahangir’s journey to space.What does it mean to pursue a dream so relentlessly that you’re willing to rewrite the path entirely?Dr. Eiman Jahangir didn’t become an astronaut through NASA. He applied multiple times, made it to the final rounds, and still didn’t get selected.So he found another way.In this episode, Leah sits down with Eiman, cardiologist, professor, and one of the few civilians in history to travel to space, just days before his Blue Origin launch, and again immediately after he returns.The result is something rare. A before-and-after look at a lifelong dream in motion.You hear the anticipation, the doubt, and the improbable chain of events that led him there, from repeated NASA rejections to Web3 communities, DAOs, and a literal lottery ticket to space. Then you hear what happens after, the physical experience, the emotional impact, and the shift in perspective that follows.This is not just a story about space travel. It is about persistence, identity, and what happens when you refuse to let the approved path define the outcome.Key Insights The dream doesn’t always change. The path often has to  Rejection is not always a signal to stop. Sometimes it is a signal to reroute  Systems are built to filter, not necessarily to find the most committed  The “overview effect” is real. It begins the moment you leave Earth  Extreme experiences amplify who you already are  Risk tolerance is often shaped by upbringing, not ambition  Decentralized systems are creating entirely new access pathways  Some of the most meaningful breakthroughs come from non-traditional routes Timestamps00:00 Introduction and why this story matters01:40 Growing up between war and possibility03:00 The origin of a lifelong obsession with space03:30 Applying to NASA and getting close multiple times05:20 Inside the astronaut selection process08:30 When rejection turns into fuel09:40 Discovering alternative paths to space10:30 NFTs, DAOs, and the unexpected opportunity12:00 The lottery that changed everything15:40 Getting the call. You’re going to space17:00 Preparing mentally for the mission18:30 Writing goodbye messages before launch21:00 Risk, family, and choosing to go anyway22:00 Breaking precedent vs maintaining stability24:20 Launch and liftoff25:30 Returning to Earth26:00 Training and preparation for the flight28:00 Emergency scenarios and safety protocols30:00 Zero gravity and what actually happens inside the capsule32:00 The reality of space vs expectations35:00 Crew dynamics and the “Blue Steel” team38:00 The emotional weight of liftoff41:00 Seeing Earth from space44:00 The darkness of space and the intensity of the sun46:00 The overview effect and perspective shift48:00 What the crew experienced differently50:00 Re-entry and physical forces52:00 Landing and returning to Earth53:00 Gratitude and emotional processing54:30 Would he do it again?About the GuestDr. Eiman Jahangir is a cardiologist, professor at Vanderbilt University, and one of the few civilians to travel to space. After applying multiple times to NASA and reaching the final rounds, he ultimately found a non-traditional path through decentralized communities and a lottery-based selection tied to a Blue Origin flight.He is also the author of A Heart for Space: An Astronaut’s Guide to Achieving the Impossible, a memoir and practical guide that traces his journey from immigrant beginnings to spaceflight, offering a framework for pursuing ambitious goals despite rejection, uncertainty, and unconventional paths. ResourcesGet the book: A Heart for SpaceEiman's WebsiteSpace for HumanityMoondaoAbout the HostLeah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast exploring the stories of innovators who are pushing boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. She is a General Partner at Fuel Capital and the founder of TaskRabbit.Connect with LeahWebsite: breakingprecedent.com Instagram: @leah_solivan X: @labunleashed

What does it take to build institutions that scale without flattening the people inside them?Stacy Brown-Philpot has spent her career inside systems that shape markets, culture, and opportunity, from Goldman Sachs and Google to TaskRabbit, SoftBank, and now Cherry Rock Capital. In this conversation, she traces the throughline from her upbringing in Detroit to leading one of the defining companies of the gig economy and then stepping into venture as an investor focused on underinvested founders. What emerges is not a career retrospective but a leadership framework: resilience is built by doing hard things before you have language for them, trust must be designed into both culture and product, and capital still misreads too many founders by treating them as impact stories instead of return engines. Stacy and Leah unpack the painful TaskRabbit model shift that saved the company, the difference between scale and commoditization, and why the next generation of leaders should reject burnout as a badge of seriousness.Key Insights Resilience is not abstract. It is formed by repeated exposure to difficulty and learning you can survive it.  In rooms where you are underestimated, legitimacy comes less from approval and more from contribution.  Strong culture is not perks alone. It is shared rituals that create trust across teams.  Platform businesses built on human trust break when efficiency starts erasing uniqueness and accountability.  The harder strategic decision is often the one that preserves the company’s future, not the one that feels best in the moment.  The gap for underrepresented founders is not a pipeline problem. It is a market structure problem, especially at Series A.  Great investors do more than allocate capital. They provide candor, accountability, and operating judgment.  Leadership should not require self-destruction. Burnout is not proof of seriousness. Timestamps00:00 Welcome to Breaking Precedent01:44 Boardroom karaoke and Detroit energy03:29 Detroit Roots And Family05:42 Owning Your Seat08:49 Love Of Learning11:24 Choosing Wharton12:44 Goldman Vs Google Culture14:59 Resilience Meets Perspective17:03 Dont Shortchange Students19:36 Leadership Before CEO21:06 Scaling TaskRabbit Early Days23:03 Culture Building With Food25:53 Trust In The Gig Economy29:07 Rebuilding the Model30:10 London Launch Gamble31:11 Conviction Under Fire32:43 TaskRabbit 3.0 Vision35:09 IKEA Sale Vote38:59 Operator to Investor41:06 SoftBank Opportunity Fund45:10 Cherry Rock Strategy47:02 Investing With Values50:36 Backing Great Founders54:49 Leadership and Legacy56:53 Closing ReflectionsAbout the GuestStacy Brown-Philpot is a trailblazing tech executive and investor. Raised in Detroit, she earned degrees from The Wharton School and Stanford GSB before building her early career at Goldman Sachs and Google. She is best known for her leadership at the gig-economy pioneer TaskRabbit; joining initially as COO and later becoming CEO, she guided the company through a critical business model pivot and its ultimate acquisition by IKEA.Stacy's LinkedInCherryrock Capital WebsiteResourcesHomegoing by Yaa GyasiTaskRabbitSoftBank Opportunity FundLeah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @leah_solivanX: @labunleashed

What happens when the systems that define ownership are designed to exclude most people from participating?Austin Allison, founder of Pacaso and former co-founder of Dotloop, has spent his career inside one of the most entrenched and resistant industries: real estate. From growing up in a household where ownership was aspirational but constrained, to building and exiting a $100M+ proptech company, his perspective is shaped by both lived experience and system-level insight.This episode explores the structural barriers that make real estate slow to change, from incentive misalignment to regulatory friction and cultural inertia. It also examines what it actually takes to shift an industry where participants are independent, resistant to control, and deeply tied to legacy processes.At the center is a deeper tension: ownership as both a wealth-building engine and a gated system. Austin unpacks how Pacaso emerged from this tension, aiming to expand access without eroding value. The discussion moves beyond entrepreneurship into power, incentives, and the hidden mechanics that determine who gets to participate in wealth creation.References & Resources • Books: Switch by Chip and Dan Heath • Companies: Dotloop, Pacaso, Zillow, Keller Williams • Concepts: Network effects, change management, ownership as wealth creation, independent contractor incentives • Platforms: DocuSignShow Notes 00:00 Introduction to breaking precedent03:16 Ohio Roots and First Deal05:56 Ownership and Second Home Epiphany08:45 Ambition and Vulnerability12:50 Selling Homes at 18 Lessons16:34 Dotloop Breakthrough and Passion19:34 Changing Real Estate Adoption29:28 Zillow Exit and Picasso Calling32:40 Retirement Reality Check33:40 Eleven Month Problem Study35:01 Beating Timeshare Stigma36:35 Venn Diagram Conviction41:10 Second Home Magic43:32 Fixing Underuse And Hassle45:11 NetJets For Houses46:16 Housing Affordability Impact49:43 Reframing The Ownership Dream54:26 Policy Fixes For Mobility58:22 Ownership And ROELeah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

What does it take to build something meaningful when the system is designed for most efforts to fail?Rachel Sussman is a Broadway producer known for bringing socially driven, culturally relevant work to the stage, including the Tony Award winning musical Suffs and the play Liberation. Raised in a family immersed in the arts, she developed an early fascination with storytelling, eventually shifting from performance to producing after discovering the power of shaping creative work behind the scenes.This conversation explores producing as a systems discipline. Rachel breaks down Broadway as a high-risk startup model where only about 10 percent of shows recoup their investment. She shares how meaningful art is built at the intersection of storytelling, capital, and cultural timing, and why hope is not passive optimism but a strategic choice that requires action. The episode reveals how great producers do more than create shows. They design systems that influence how audiences think, feel, and engage with the world.Show Notes00:00 Welcome to Breaking Precedent!02:11 Books That Shaped Her03:53 Family Theater Roots07:05 Competitive Dance Years08:37 From Performer to Dramaturg11:05 NYU and Finding Producing13:03 Producer as Show CEO16:08 Broadway Risk and Recoup17:47 Suffs Origin Story22:16 History That Haunts24:25 Great American Bitch26:56 Truth Over Whitewash28:00 Ida B Wells Spotlight29:22 Breadcrumbs For Research31:18 Designing For Action33:16 Art Shapes Politics35:38 Clinton And Malala37:54 Liberation On Broadway40:29 Motherhood And Rights43:01 Hope Requires Action43:55 Broadway Money Pressures49:50 Audience As Participants51:48 Stories Still Missing52:50 Next Gen Engagement55:30 Beyond Female Labels56:44 Closing Reflections

What happens when the identity that defined your life suddenly ends?Ryan Nece grew up surrounded by greatness. As the son of NFL Hall of Famer Ronnie Lott, competition, discipline, and excellence were part of everyday life. But living in the shadow of one of football’s greatest players came with its own pressures. In this episode, Ryan shares how those early experiences shaped his perspective on leadership, resilience, and personal responsibility.After building his own career in the NFL, Nece faced a challenge that many athletes struggle with: redefining identity after the game ends. Drawing on lessons from his father, his upbringing, and a life-altering car accident at seventeen, Ryan developed the mindset he now calls the “Next Play.” Today he brings that philosophy into the world of entrepreneurship, venture capital, and mentoring athletes transitioning into life after sports. Show Notes00:00 Introduction03:12 Growing Up Ronnie Lott’s Son05:31 Embracing the Legacy08:27 Betting on Yourself Early09:24 Wisdom From Strong Women12:12 Kickball Leadership Lesson16:54 Serious Teen to Team Leader17:52 UCLA Setbacks and Breakthrough20:39 Car Crash Perspective Shift23:10 Calling Dad for Football Advice24:58 Next Play Mindset26:18 Processing Between Whistles27:15 Injuries And Mental Rehab29:59 Life After Football32:15 Building A Startup35:23 Founding Next Play38:03 Venture Reality Check42:00 Spotting Great Founders47:26 Next Play U Program49:46 Legacy Plus Sign51:12 Next Decade Vision53:16 Final Takeaways

How do you change the narrative when the system was never designed to include you?In this episode of Breaking Precedent, Soledad O'Brien joins the show to discuss her illustrious career in journalism, covering critical events from wars to hurricanes, and sharing the humorous contrast between her on-screen cooking segments and her real-life kitchen skills. O'Brien delves into her upbringing as the daughter of an interracial couple in a time when such marriages were illegal, shaping her perspective on education and resilience. Her journey from a production assistant to starting the Starfish Media Group highlights her commitment to centering authentic stories and challenging traditional narratives in media. The conversation covers the impact of storytelling in crises like Hurricane Katrina, the shifts needed in journalistic practices, and the importance of representation in media.Soledad O’Brien is an award-winning journalist, producer, and media entrepreneur known for centering truth, context, and underreported voices in American storytelling. A former CNN anchor and correspondent, she led groundbreaking documentary series including Black in America, Latino in America, and In America, reshaping how media covers race, policy, and power.Listeners can learn more about Soledad O’Brien at SoledadProductions and on Instagram @soledadobrien and LinkedIn @SoledadproductionResources:Matter of Fact with Soledad O’BrienShow Notes: 00:00 Welcome to Breaking Precedent + Introducing Soledad O’Brien01:38 Icebreaker: Myth and Mom Life03:17 Growing Up in the 60s06:17 Early Storytelling Instincts07:36 Dual Identity as a Reporting Superpower11:10 Outworking Everyone: First Jobs, Low Pay, and Learning Fast14:37 2005 (Katrina) and Re-Centering Crisis Coverage18:09 Why People Don’t Trust the News Anymore (Opinion, Clicks, AI)21:31 CNN ‘Black in America’ Clash24:43 How to Push Back on Leadership Without Losing the War25:58 Finding Your Voice: Standing Firm as You Rise27:07 Handling Disrespect on Assignment: ‘Get Out There and Kill It’30:10 Starting Starfish Media: Breaking the Gatekeeping of Stories33:21 Reinvention, Motherhood, and Building a Life You Want36:02 Work, Guilt, and Raising Awesome Teens (and Twentysomethings)39:38 Owning Your Schedule: From CNN Chaos to Horseback Riding & Ballroom41:31 Why Conflict-Driven News Wins: Cheap Panels, No Context44:13 A Better Future for News: Streamers, Deep Dives, and Expertise Over Opinion46:58 Docs as Policy Storytelling: Stand Your Ground, Roe, and Creative Structure48:59 Representation Matters: The Legacy She Hopes to Leave + Final Wrapd---Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @leah_solivanX: @labunleashed

What would it take to make healthcare massively better?In this episode of Breaking Precedent, Leah Solivan sits down with Halle Tecco, founder of Rock Health, to unpack why the U.S. healthcare system remains so hard to change—and what it will actually take to fix it.Drawing from her upbringing in the Midwest, decades of experience across healthcare, investing, public health, and education, and her new book Massively Better Healthcare, Halle explains how incentives, power dynamics, and regulatory capture shape outcomes far more than technology alone. From Medicaid disparities and data misuse to venture capital timelines and the myth of “innovation solves everything,” she challenges founders and leaders to see healthcare as a system—not just a product opportunity.Together, Leah and Halle explore why healthcare resists scale, how evidence differs from proof of impact, and why founders must often become advocates—not just builders. Halle shares lessons from Rock Health, insights from teaching at Columbia and Harvard, and hard truths about incumbents, misaligned incentives, and what meaningful progress actually looks like.Halle Tecco is a healthcare investor, educator, and author focused on improving outcomes, access, and equity across the healthcare system. She is the founder of Rock Health, an early-stage venture firm supporting digital health startups, and the author of Massively Better Healthcare: The Innovator’s Guide to Tackling Healthcare’s Biggest Challenges. Her work spans investing, public health, teaching, and policy advocacy, with a mission to make healthcare meaningfully better for more people.Massively Better Healthcare (Book): https://www.halletecco.com/bookRock Health: https://rockhealth.comCost Plus Drugs (Mark Cuban): https://costplusdrugs.comEpic Systems (EHR): https://www.epic.comCleveland Clinic: https://my.clevelandclinic.orgNational Academy of Medicine (Social Determinants of Health context): https://nam.eduCenters for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS): https://www.cms.govMenlo Ventures – AI in Healthcare Report: https://menlovc.com/perspective/ai-in-healthcare/Shownotes00:00 Welcome to Breaking Precedent02:10 Icebreaker: A Personal Moment That Changed Halle’s View on Healthcare06:30 Growing Up in the Midwest and Early Healthcare Experiences10:45 Fairness, Access, and Social Determinants of Health15:20 Questioning Systems from the Inside and Outside19:40 Founding Rock Health and Early Digital Health Investing24:10 Why Healthcare Resists Scale28:30 Data, AI, and the Future of Healthcare33:10 Incentives, Power, and Misalignment37:20 Writing Massively Better Healthcare41:00 What Needs to Change and What Innovators Can Do Next44:30 Final ThoughtsLeah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: leah_solivanX: @labunleashed

What happens when difference becomes a competitive advantage?In this episode of Breaking Precedent, Leah Solivan sits down with Samara Hernandez, founder of Chingona Ventures, to explore how identity, constraint, and culture can shape leadership in venture capital. From growing up in Mexico to building a venture fund in the United States, Samara reflects on how limited resources, discipline, and an early love of math forged resilience and clarity—and how being underestimated became a source of strength.Tracing her path from engineering at the University of Michigan to finance at Goldman Sachs, and ultimately to launching her own fund, Samara shares how she learned to turn difference into a competitive edge. Now a venture capitalist and engineer backing bold founders, she brings a philosophy of doing more with less—working to close access gaps, expand opportunity, and redefine leadership in an industry built on pattern-matching.Samara Hernandez is a venture capitalist and engineer focused on backing bold founders building the future. Born in Mexico and raised in Chicago, her career spans engineering, finance, and early-stage investing, shaped by a philosophy of doing more with less. Through Chingona Ventures, she works to close capital gaps and expand opportunity for underrepresented founders across the innovation economy.Learn more at chingonaventures.com, and follow Samara on Instagram @chingonaventures and LinkedIn.ResourcesNational Venture Capital Association (NVCA)Venture ForwardSAFE (Simple Agreement for Future Equity)Show Notes 00:00 Welcome to Breaking Precedent!02:03 Icebreaker: Turning Differences into Superpowers03:43 Samara's Childhood and Education06:59 From Mexico to Chicago: A Family's Journey07:21 The Significance of Qana Ventures08:32 Celebrating Hispanic Heritage09:59 The Power of Community and Upbringing11:48 Discovering a Passion for Math13:30 Navigating Education as an Immigrant17:39 Choosing Engineering and University Life24:13 From Engineering to Wall Street26:08 Learning and Growing at Goldman Sachs30:39 The Intensity of Sales and Moving On31:12 Mentorship and Business School Journey32:18 Discovering Venture Capital by Accident34:13 First Steps in Venture Capital35:37 Building a Venture Firm from Scratch36:48 Challenges and Opportunities in Venture Capital40:31 Scaling Chingona Ventures44:44 The Power of Representation and Impact51:07 Investing in the New Majority57:01 Redefining Success in Venture Capital01:03:16 Final Thoughts and Advice for Founders---Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: leah_solivanX: @labunleashed

What happens when culture becomes a form of leadership?In this episode of Breaking Precedent, Leah Solivan sits down with Derrick T. Jones, better known as D-Nice,  legendary DJ, photographer, and cultural connector, to explore how music, joy, and shared experience can shape communities and create belonging at scale. From his early days in hip-hop to the global phenomenon of Club Quarantine, D-Nice reflects on the responsibility artists carry, the power of gathering, and how creativity can serve as social infrastructure in fractured times.The conversation spans art, entrepreneurship, cultural stewardship, and what it means to hold space for people, not just entertain them.D-Nice is a world-renowned DJ, photographer, and cultural curator whose career spans decades at the intersection of music, art, and community. Rising to prominence as a pioneering hip-hop artist before becoming one of the most influential DJs of his generation, D-Nice is widely celebrated for creating Club Quarantine, a global virtual gathering that redefined connection during the COVID-19 pandemic.Through his work, D-Nice demonstrates how culture can be a unifying force — building bridges across industries, generations, and identities.Timestamps:00:00 Welcome to Breaking Precedent!01:00 Introducing D Nice: A Multifaceted Innovator05:40 Early Life and Hip Hop Beginnings16:52 The Influence of Scott La Rock32:34 Stop the Violence: A Call to Action35:49 The World and Democracy37:17 Political Involvement and Personal Reflections39:02 The Birth of Club Quarantine40:53 The Evolution of Club Quarantine49:39 From Club Quarantine to Carnegie Hall53:12 Breaking Precedents in Entertainment01:03:35 The Role of AI and Technology in Creativity01:07:01 Final Thoughts and ReflectionsLeah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. She founded TaskRabbit in 2008 after beginning her career as an engineer at IBM.Connect with LeahWebsite: breakingprecedent.comInstagram: @leah_solivanX: @labunleashed

In this episode of Breaking Precedent, the host  Leah Solivan is joined by Lynn Jurich, co-founder and former CEO of Sunrun, to discuss her journey from growing up in Tacoma, Washington to leading one of the largest residential solar companies in the U.S. They explore the challenges and triumphs of scaling Sunrun, including innovative financing models and negotiating with utility companies. Jurich also shares personal insights on the impact of sports on resilience, the importance of strength training, and her foray into women's health through the establishment of the Female Longevity Institute. The conversation highlights Jurich's persistent optimism, innovative mindset, and commitment to transforming entrenched industries.Lynn Jurich is an entrepreneur, investor, and visionary leader who co-founded Sunrun, the nation’s leading residential solar and energy services company. Under her leadership, Sunrun grew from an idea pitched beside a county fair pumpkin stand to a publicly traded company with over a million customers, $2 billion in recurring revenue, and a $20 billion market cap. Named one of Fortune’s “Most Powerful Women,” Lynn has pioneered clean energy innovation by championing rooftop solar, distributed batteries, and consumer-driven energy independence.Listeners can learn more about Lynn Jurich at Sunrun.com and on LinkedIn .Resources:Berkshire Hathaway EnergyDOE – U.S. Department of EnergyLunar EnergyShow Notes: 00:00 Introduction to Breaking Precedent00:21 Meet Lynn Jurich: Solar Pioneer01:30 Personal Reflections and Icebreakers03:40 Lynn's Early Life and Competitive Spirit04:29 Lessons from Sports and Leadership07:59 The Journey to Stanford and Beyond10:41 The Birth of Sunrun and Solar as a Service13:02 Challenges and Triumphs in Solar Energy17:28 Navigating Financial Crises and Growth21:12 Breaking Energy Precedents and Future Vision25:25 Consumer Demand for Solar and Batteries25:56 Taking Sunrun Public with a Newborn28:07 Battling Utilities in Nevada29:43 Sunrun's Growth and Future Innovations31:54 Founding the Female Longevity Institute33:54 Challenges in Women's Health Research37:26 Precision Medicine for Women42:35 Breaking Precedents in Energy and Healthcare47:57 Advice for Breaking Through Entrenched Systems---Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

In this episode of Breaking Precedent, the host, Leah Solivan interviews Dr. Thomas Fisher, an emergency medicine physician and political candidate. They discuss Dr. Fisher's career, including his experiences growing up on the South Side of Chicago, attending Dartmouth, and his work in emergency rooms. He shares insights from his book, 'The Emergency,' and how it reflects the systemic inequities in healthcare. Dr. Fisher also touches on his motivations for running for Congress, his vision for improving healthcare, and the importance of public service. Through personal anecdotes and policy discussions, the episode delves into the intersections of medicine, social justice, and political activism.Dr. Thomas Fisher is an emergency physician, author, and public servant dedicated to transforming America’s healthcare system from the inside out. Born and raised on the South Side of Chicago, Thomas grew up in a community of working families and changemakers who showed him both the promise and the inequities of the world around him. The son of a physician and a social worker, he learned early that service isn’t just a calling—it’s a responsibility.Listeners can learn more about Dr. Thomas Fisher at ThomasFisherForCongress.com, Donate to his campaign at https://secure.actblue.com/donate/fisherlaunch1000 and follow him on LinkedIn @ThomasFisherMD.Resources:University of ChicagoCivil Rights Act of 1964Affordable Care Act (ACA)White House Fellows ProgramShow Notes: 00:00 Introduction to Breaking Precedent00:21 Meet Dr. Thomas Fisher01:17 Icebreaker: Superpowers04:22 Growing Up on the South Side of Chicago06:21 Influence of Parents and Education14:15 Journey to Dartmouth and Medical School20:28 Choosing Emergency Medicine23:23 Writing 'The Emergency'27:46 Patient's Decline and ICU Struggles28:58 Emotional Impact of Patient Loss30:03 COVID-19's Systemic Impact33:03 Challenges in the American Medical System38:46 Entrepreneurship and Healthcare Innovation42:23 Running for Congress: A New Chapter48:18 Vision for Healthcare and Public Safety53:48 Legacy and Inspiration---Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

In the second episode of the brand-new season of Breaking Precedent, Leah Solivan sits down once again with Olympic legend Nastia Liukin — and the conversation hits deeper than ever. They revisit their first encounter and trace the arc of Nastia’s extraordinary career, from the early days in the gym to the unforgiving expectations that come with being one of the world’s top athletes.Nastia opens up about what the pursuit of perfection really cost her, the pressures and politics behind gymnastics judging, and the emotional toll of constantly performing at an elite level. She and Leah dive into the highs, the heartbreaks, and the hard-earned wisdom that came from both.Beyond the medals, Nastia reflects on rebuilding her identity after competition, the ventures and creative projects that now drive her, and her commitment to guiding and inspiring the next generation of athletes.Nastia Liukin is an Olympic gold medalist, entrepreneur, and broadcaster who became one of the most decorated gymnasts in the world at just 18 years old. After retiring from competition, she transitioned her passion into building a brand, founding the annual Nastia Liukin Cup, and inspiring the next generation of athletes through mentorship and community. Today, she’s a sought-after speaker and role model, sharing lessons on resilience, identity, and redefining success beyond the podium.Learn more about Nastia Liukin at NastiaLiukin.com and on Instagram @NastiaLiukin.Resources:Marie Claire Power Trip (San Francisco event)USA GymnasticsShow Notes: 00:00 Introduction to Breaking Precedent00:05 Reminiscing Old Memories00:52 Icebreaker: Sacrifices and Reclaiming Life01:49 Balancing Career and Personal Life02:58 The Journey of Self-Discovery07:38 The Foundation of a Gymnastics Legacy10:40 Immigrant Beginnings and Family Sacrifices16:57 Overcoming Physical Challenges in Gymnastics19:43 Mental Strength and Focus25:53 Defining Success Beyond Gymnastics29:00 Breaking Age Narratives in Gymnastics34:30 Reflecting on Personal Struggles and Resilience35:36 The Defining Moment: 2012 Olympic Trials36:53 Lessons from Falling and Getting Back Up41:05 “We will never be defined by a salary, a title, a relationship, a company, or even a gold medal. Those are things we’ve done, not who we are.” 45:26 Navigating Subjectivity in Gymnastics53:00 Life After Gymnastics: Embracing Imperfection01:11:22 Inspiration and Future Aspirations---Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

Kicking off a brand-new season and launching our first-ever video episode, Breaking Precedent returns with a powerful conversation between host Leah Solivan and Christina Tosi, founder of Milk Bar. Christina traces her journey from baking cookies with her grandmothers in Ohio to becoming one of the most influential pastry chefs and entrepreneurs in the country. Leah and Christina unpack their shared experiences as introverts navigating high-pressure environments, the mentors who shaped their paths, and the creative process behind Milk Bar’s iconic recipes like the Compost Cookie and Crack Pie. Christina opens up about building a business during the 2008 financial crisis, the role of constraints in driving creativity, and what it takes to scale a brand while protecting its soul and culture.Christina Tosi is a pastry chef, entrepreneur, and founder of Milk Bar, the beloved dessert brand known for its nostalgic yet innovative creations like Cereal Milk, Compost Cookies, and Milk Bar Pie. Raised in Ohio by generations of strong, creative women, Christina learned early the joy of making something out of nothing—a philosophy that would later define her career.Listeners can learn more about Christina Tosi at milkbarstore.com and on Instagram @christinatosi and @milkbarstore.MomofukuKitchen Confidential by Anthony Bourdain The Joy of Cooking by Irma S. Rombauer Crack Pie / Milk Bar PieCereal Milk Ice CreamShow Notes: 00:00 Introduction to Breaking Precedent01:00 First meeting and shared experiences02:00 Introversion and social challenges02:37 “Your destiny is impossible to miss by definition of it being your destiny.” — Christina Tosi03:00 Scorpio connection and business beginnings04:00 Swapping jobs and TaskRabbit07:30 Childhood and baking origins12:00 Family influence and career choices26:00 Culinary school and early career34:00 Starting a tradition: family meal desserts36:00 The birth of Crack Pie39:00 From simple recipes to Milk Bar45:00 Launching Milk Bar during a financial crisis52:00 Scaling Milk Bar: challenges and creativity57:00 Nostalgia and innovation in desserts---Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

Season 2 of Breaking Precedent premieres November 13.This season, Leah Solivan returns with deeper conversations that cut to the core of resilience, leadership, and what it really means to stand for something. From Olympians and entrepreneurs to doctors and changemakers, each guest opens up about the battles that shaped them — and the precedents they had to break to move forward.These stories remind us that breaking precedent isn’t about being fearless — it’s about learning, serving, and choosing courage anyway.Hosted by Leah SolivanFollow and subscribe to catch the premiere November 13 wherever you listen to podcasts.--- Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

During our summer break, we revisit an episode about resilience, pivots, and transformation. Hear Pete Flint on startup survival, Aaron Holiday on breaking into venture capital, Julie Rice on building SoulCycle, Tamara on her ballet breakthrough, Matteo Franceschetti on sleep innovation, Beverly Parenti on coding in prison, and Windy Chien on creativity through daily practice. Each story reveals how uncertainty can become the catalyst for growth.Listen to the full episodes here:House Broken: Pete Flint on Disrupting Real Estate and Building TruliaListen here: Apple | Spotify Breaking the Bank: Aaron Holiday on 645 ventures' data-driven approach to sourcing deals and bringing the invisible to lifeListen here: Apple | Spotify Break A Sweat: Building Magic On and Off the Bike with Julie Rice of SoulCycleListen here: Apple | Spotify Breaking Pointe: San Francisco Ballet’s Tamara Rojo with Her Bold Vision for a Vibrant FutureListen here: Apple | Spotify Take a Break: Matteo Franceschetti on Breaking Sleep Cycles and Turning Rest into a Competitive Advantage with Eight SleepListen here: Apple | Spotify Prison Break: The Last Mile's Chris and Beverly Share a Blueprint for Change, Born at San Quentin, Scaling NationwideListen here: Apple | Spotify Broken Records: Windy Chien on changing paths, tying stories into knots, and designing a new language of possibilitiesListen here: Apple | Spotify Pete FlintPete Flint is a serial entrepreneur and investor who co-founded Trulia, steering the company through its IPO and a multi-billion-dollar merger with Zillow. Today, he's a General Partner at NFX, investing in early-stage companies that leverage network effects and cutting-edge technologies.Listeners can learn more about Pete Flint at NFX, and on LinkedIn @PeteFlintAaron HolidayAaron Holiday is the Co-Founder and Managing Partner of 645 Ventures, a venture capital firm backing early-stage startups led by visionary, often underestimated founders. With a background that bridges entrepreneurship, systems thinking, and institutional investing, Aaron takes a high-conviction, hands-on approach to venture capital.Explore 645 Ventures Connect with Aaron Holiday on LinkedInJulie RiceJulie Rice is a serial entrepreneur and community-builder best known as the co-founder of SoulCycle and now Peoplehood, a platform for relational fitness and guided group conversation. Her work centers on designing experiences that build human connection at scale.Listeners can learn more about Julie Rice through LinkedIn @juliericeCheck out Julie’s latest venture Peoplehood, and learn more about Soulcycle   Tamara RojoTamara Rojo is a renowned ballerina and artistic director celebrated for her passion, discipline, and vision in the world of dance. Known for breaking traditional molds, Tamara believes that true achievement in the art form isn’t reserved for the most gifted—but for those who are most honest and disciplined with themselves. In this episode, she reflects on the sacrifices required to be “first” and the inspiration she draws from other art forms, powerful friendships, and exhibitions that remind her of the woman she aspires to be. Her story is a masterclass in resilience, artistry, and leading with heart.Learn more about Tamara Rojo and explore her work at San Francisco Ballet.Matteo FranceschettiMatteo Franceschetti is the Co-Founder and CEO of Eight Sleep, the sleep fitness company.Eight Sleep developed a proprietary technology which is redesigning sleep by developing cutting-edge AI and machine learning models to track bio signals during the night and optimizing body recovery and rest while asleep. The end goal of the Pod is to compress sleep and scan your body while asleep to monitor your health. Eight Sleep is currently used by pro athletes and top performers across multiple industries and was recognized as one of TIME’s “Best Inventions” in 2018 and 2019, was named one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Companies” in 2018, and has raised over $150M in funding from leading investors, including Founders Fund, Softbank, Khosla Ventures, Y Combinator, Valor Equity Partners, General Catalyst, Naval Ravikant, and Patrick Collison.Discover your perfect sleep set up - Take QuizConnect with Matteo Franceschetti on X @m_franceschetti Beverly ParentiBeverly Parenti is a veteran tech entrepreneur and innovator who co-founded The Last Mile to empower incarcerated individuals, particularly women, with marketable skills. As the first-generation daughter of Holocaust survivors, Beverly's life has been profoundly shaped by her father's experiences during World War II. Her father's story of survival became a guiding light in her life, instilling in her the values of resourcefulness, resilience, and relentless perseverance.Learn more about The Last Mile at their website  Connect with Beverly Parenti on LinkedIn @BeverlyParenti and on X @thebev     Windy ChienWindy Chien is an artist best known for The Year of Knots, a daily practice in 2016 ...

During our summer break, we’re revisiting a powerful episode about inherited resilience and the courage to transform beyond expectations. Host Leah Solivan explores the deeply personal stories of seven trailblazers—including Alejandra Campoverdi, Dr. Eiman Jahangir, Anne Miura-Ko, Andy Dunn, Bianca Gates, and Kevin Caldwell—who’ve navigated barriers and redefined their identities along the way. From rising to the White House from welfare, becoming an astronaut after fleeing war-torn Tehran, to embracing cultural legacies once hidden, each voice reveals how strength can be both passed down and self-forged. These stories illuminate the struggle and triumph of breaking cycles, honoring the past while forging new paths forward.Listen to the full episodes here:Breaking the Narrative: Award winning author of First Gen, Alejandra Campoverdi, on breaking generational cycles  Listen here: Apple | Spotify  Breaking Orbit: Newly minted Astronaut, Dr. Eiman Jahangir, on the future of space travel  Listen here: Apple | Spotify  Breaking Tradition: Co-Founding Partner of Floodgate, Ann Miura-Ko, on innovations in Venture Capital — Ann Miura-Ko  Listen here: Apple | Spotify The Breakdown: Andy Dunn on Building Bonobos, Battling Bipolar, and Baking Pie — Andy Dunn  Listen here: Apple | Spotify Split Sole: How Bianca Gates built Birdies and broke the mold in footwear  Listen here: Apple | Spotify Breaking Bad: Kevin Caldwell and Ossium Health is banking on bone marrow for curing cancers and transforming regenerative careListen here: Apple | Spotify Alejandra CampoverdiAlejandra Campoverdi is a nationally recognized women’s health advocate, an award-winning author of First Gen: A Memoir, a groundbreaking account of her journey as a first-generation college graduate and professional. Alejandra served as the White House Deputy Director of Hispanic Media during the Obama administration and is the founder of the First Gen Fund, a nonprofit dedicated to providing financial support to first-generation students.Listeners can learn more about Alejandra at her website, and on IG @acampoverdi   Eiman JahangirEiman Jahangir is a cardiologist, researcher, and NASA astronaut selected in 2021 as part of the Artemis generation of explorers. Born in Tehran during the Iran–Iraq War, Eiman immigrated to the United States at the age of four and grew up near the U.S. Space & Rocket Center in Huntsville, Alabama — an experience that sparked his lifelong passion for space exploration. Before joining NASA, he served as a cardiologist and faculty member at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, where he specialized in advanced heart failure and transplant cardiology.Listeners can learn more about Eiman on his IG @drejahangirAnn Miura-KoAnn Miura-Ko is the Co-Founder and General Partner at Floodgate, an early-stage venture capital firm known for backing iconic startups at their inception, including Lyft, Refinery29, and Twitch. Often described as one of Silicon Valley’s most respected investors, Ann is a self-proclaimed "precedent breaker"—someone who thrives in ambiguity and seeks out founders who challenge conventional wisdom.Listeners can learn more about Ann at her website and on X.Andy DunnAndy Dunn is an entrepreneur, author, and investor best known as the co-founder of Bonobos, the pioneering menswear brand that redefined modern retail. He is also the author of Burn Rate: Launching a Startup and Losing My Mind, a candid memoir about his journey with mental health while building a high-growth company. Dunn has become a leading voice in destigmatizing conversations around bipolar disorder and neurodiversity in business and beyond.Listeners can learn more about Andy on his IG @dunnBianca GatesBianca Gates is the CEO and co-founder of Birdies, a leading footwear brand that introduced the concept of the "social slipper." Before Birdies, Bianca built a successful career in sales at Univision, MTV, and Facebook, where she worked closely with Sheryl Sandberg. Born to Latin American immigrants, Bianca is a pioneer in combining entrepreneurial drive with a commitment to empowering women.Learn more about Bianca Gates on her website, on IG @biancagatesKevin CaldwellKevin Caldwell, CEO, Co-Founder & President of Ossium Health, has built Ossium from a small startup into a clinical-stage bioengineering company.  Kevin set the company’s mission to improve human health through bioengineering and designed its platform-based model for cellular therapeutics development.  Kevin has led the company’s successful pursuit, negotiation, and execution of more than 50 business relationships, including 5 successful fundraisings and dozens of supply partnerships, clinical partnerships, and commercial contracts with biopharmaceutical companies.Listeners can learn more about Kevin Caldwell at Ossium HealthResources:UalaSan Francisco BalletBirdies (Company)Show Notes: (00:00) Introduction to Breaking Precedent(00:30) Costume Changes with Alejandra Campoverdi(01:30) Rockets and Roots with Eiman Jahangir(02:30) The DNA of Defiance with Ann Miura-Ko(03:30) Inheritance of Fire with Andy Dunn(05:00) From the Head of the Table with Bianca Gates(06:30) Legacy in the Lab with Kevin Caldwell(07:30) “We carry resilience in our bones, and we're here to reshape what ...

During our summer break, we're revisiting a moving episode that celebrates Latino and Spanish-speaking leaders who are redefining identity, power, and belonging. Host Leah Solivan, a Puerto Rican founder and investor, shares the invisible tension of being “not Latina enough” and “not American enough”—a feeling echoed by many first-generation voices in this episode. You'll hear from Bianca Gates, co-founder of Birdies, on confidence and being underestimated; Alejandra Campoverdi, author of First Gen, on the emotional weight of being the “first and only”; and Bismarck Lepe, who went from the migrant fields to building global tech companies. These stories explore the complexity of cultural identity, the quiet strength in navigating multiple worlds, and the pride that comes from breaking cycles and setting new precedents. From Silicon Valley to the stage, this episode honors the resilience and vision of Latino leaders shaping the future.Listen to the full episodes here:Split Sole: How Bianca Gates built Birdies and broke the mold in footwear  Listen here: Apple | Spotify Rompiendo Precedente: Bismarck Lepe on Breaking Barriers from the Fields to Google to Founding Mi Salud Health  Listen here: Apple | Spotify Breaking Pointe: San Francisco Ballet’s Tamara Rojo with Her Bold Vision for a Vibrant Future  Listen here: Apple | SpotifyBreaking the Narrative: Award winning author of First Gen, Alejandra Campoverdi, on breaking generational cycles  Listen here: Apple | Spotify  Bianca GatesBianca Gates is the CEO and co-founder of Birdies, a leading footwear brand that introduced the concept of the "social slipper." Before Birdies, Bianca built a successful career in sales at Univision, MTV, and Facebook, where she worked closely with Sheryl Sandberg. Born to Latin American immigrants, Bianca is a pioneer in combining entrepreneurial drive with a commitment to empowering women.Learn more about Bianca Gates on her website, on IG @biancagatesBismarck LepeBismarck Lepe, founder and Executive Chairman of Wizeline, is a seasoned Silicon Valley entrepreneur and investor. As an early Google employee, he left to start Ooyala, an online video platform that sold for $400 million to Telstra in 2014. Passionate about economic growth and education, he has helped transform Guadalajara into a thriving tech hub through Wizeline Academy and StartupGDL, generating over 1,500 jobs and attracting significant investment. Under his leadership, Wizeline expanded to seven countries, with talent spanning 15 nations. For over a decade, he has been a key force in fostering Mexico-Silicon Valley collaboration in technology and entrepreneurship.Learn more about Bismarck Lepe on LinkedIn @BismarckLepeTamara RojoTamara Rojo is a renowned ballerina and artistic director celebrated for her passion, discipline, and vision in the world of dance. Known for breaking traditional molds, Tamara believes that true achievement in the art form isn’t reserved for the most gifted—but for those who are most honest and disciplined with themselves. In this episode, she reflects on the sacrifices required to be “first” and the inspiration she draws from other art forms, powerful friendships, and exhibitions that remind her of the woman she aspires to be. Her story is a masterclass in resilience, artistry, and leading with heart.Learn more about Tamara Rojo and explore her work at San Francisco Ballet.Alejandra CampoverdiAlejandra Campoverdi is a nationally recognized women’s health advocate, an award-winning author of First Gen: A Memoir, a groundbreaking account of her journey as a first-generation college graduate and professional. Alejandra served as the White House Deputy Director of Hispanic Media during the Obama administration and is the founder of the First Gen Fund, a nonprofit dedicated to providing financial support to first-generation students.Listeners can learn more about Alejandra at her website, and on IG @acampoverdi   Resources:Carmen (Re-staging by Tamara Rojo)Orbital ReflectorMarcel Duchamp’s “Fountain” (Urinal)Show Notes: (00:00) Introduction to Breaking Precedent(00:30) Secret Strengths and Hidden Identities(02:30) Assimilation, Belonging, and Cultural Tension(04:00) Underestimated but Relentless(05:00) Alejandra Campoverdi: First Gen and the Weight of Being First(05:45) "Your life is not to sacrifice yourself at the altar of other people's dreams for you. To make everyone's sacrifices worth it is not the purpose of your life." - Alejandra Campoveri(09:00) Bismarck Lepe: Breaking Tech and Cultural Barriers(13:00) Tamara Rojo: Outsider to Ballet Trailblazer---Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

During our summer break, we’re revisiting powerful conversations about breaking precedent. In this episode, we spotlight the work of three groundbreaking artists—Tamara Rojo, Windy Chien, and Trevor Paglen—whose visions challenge the status quo in art and culture. Rojo, a principal ballerina and director of the San Francisco Ballet, is rewriting ballet’s narratives to reflect more inclusive stories. Chien, who transitioned from the music industry to knot-tying art, uses her intricate creations to challenge perceptions of women’s work in fine art. Paglen, known for revealing hidden surveillance systems, uses his art to ask profound questions about visibility and ownership in the modern world.Together, their stories show how beauty and disruption are often intertwined, offering bold new ways to understand power, labor, and identity.Listen to the full episodes here:Breaking Pointe: San Francisco Ballet’s Tamara Rojo with Her Bold Vision for a Vibrant Future Listen here: Apple | Spotify Broken Records: Windy Chien on changing paths, tying stories into knots, and designing a new language of possibilities Listen here: Apple | Spotify Breaking Cover: Trevor Paglen with a bold artistic approach to challenging societal thinking and setting new precedentsListen here: Apple | Spotify Tamara RojoTamara Rojo is a renowned ballerina and artistic director celebrated for her passion, discipline, and vision in the world of dance. Known for breaking traditional molds, Tamara believes that true achievement in the art form isn’t reserved for the most gifted—but for those who are most honest and disciplined with themselves. In this episode, she reflects on the sacrifices required to be “first” and the inspiration she draws from other art forms, powerful friendships, and exhibitions that remind her of the woman she aspires to be. Her story is a masterclass in resilience, artistry, and leading with heart.Learn more about Tamara Rojo and explore her work at San Francisco Ballet.Windy ChienWindy Chien is an artist best known for The Year of Knots, a daily practice in 2016 where she learned a new knot each day, culminating in a striking installation of 366 knots. A former Apple music executive turned full-time artist, Windy’s work sits at the intersection of craft, design, and personal ritual. Her artistic process emphasizes discipline, flow state, and transformation—both of material and self. In this episode, she reflects on how teaching herself to tie knots became a journey of self-definition, ultimately claiming the title of “artist” through consistent creative labor.Explore Windy’s work and learn more about The Year of Knots.Trevor PaglenTrevor Paglen is an artist and geographer known for pushing the boundaries of visibility, ownership, and space. His most iconic work—Orbital Reflector—was launched into space to challenge the concept of property and claim-free public art. Trevor’s work is a rainbow disruption, offering profound commentary from the artistic edge of precedent-breaking.Learn about Orbital Reflector and explore Trevor's work here: https://www.paglen.com/.Resources:Carmen (Re-staging by Tamara Rojo)Orbital ReflectorMarcel Duchamp’s “Fountain” (Urinal)Show Notes: (00:00) – Introduction to Breaking Precedent(01:00) –  Challenging traditional gender roles and narrative endings in dance(02:10) –  How repetition turned into philosophy and large-scale art(03:50) –  How generative AI and new tools shift cultural perception(04:23) – "Art is different than a lot of fields… it's people making stuff up… responding to the cultural, technological, and visual environment of the moment."(06:00) –  The essence of breaking precedent---Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

During our summer break, we’re revisiting powerful conversations about breaking precedent. In this episode, host Leah Solivan explores the courage, vision, and persistence it takes to be the first—to make a crack in the system and let the light in. You’ll hear from artists, innovators, and leaders including Eric Ryan, Windy Chien, Tamara Rojo, Alejandra Campoverdi, and Aaron Holiday as they share their unique journeys, the sacrifices of being first, and the inspiration that keeps them moving forward.Their stories reveal what it truly means to challenge expectations, redefine success, and create space where none existed before.Listen to the full episodes here:Breaking Dawn: How Eric Ryan of Method, Olly, Welly, transforms boring products into billion dollar brands  Listen here: Apple | Spotify Broken Records: Windy Chien on changing paths, tying stories into knots, and designing a new language of possibilities  Listen here: Apple | Spotify Breaking Pointe: San Francisco Ballet’s Tamara Rojo with Her Bold Vision for a Vibrant Future  Listen here: Apple | Spotify Breaking the Narrative: Award winning author of First Gen, Alejandra Campoverdi, on breaking generational cycles  Listen here: Apple | Spotify Breaking the Bank: Aaron Holiday on 645 ventures' data-driven approach to sourcing deals and bringing the invisible to life  Listen here: Apple | Spotify Resources:Legally Blonde on IMDbde Young Museum Official SiteNotes: (00:00) – Introduction to Breaking Precedent(00:30) – The Power of Vision: Seeing Change Before It Happens(01:00) – Unique Journeys: The Knot Metaphor and Personal Stories(01:30) – The Role of Art and Creativity in Society(03:00) – Sacrifices and Scars: The Cost of Being First(05:30) – Inspiration from Family, Friends, and Art(07:00) – “They didn’t break precedent to be admired. They broke it to make something better.”---Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

During our summer break, we’re revisiting powerful conversations from Season One of Breaking Precedent. In this episode, host Leah Sullivan explores the many forms of disruptive change—framed as sunrises, tides, and rainbows. Leah is joined by a range of precedent-breakers across disciplines, including Eric Ryan, who reimagined consumer goods; Pete Flynn, who rides the waves of market shifts; and Justice Steven Breyer, who reflects on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, the case that overturned Roe v. Wade. We also hear from Patrick Brown, founder of Impossible Foods, and Kara Golden, who challenged the beverage industry with Hint Water. The episode concludes with artist Trevor Paglen, whose work uncovers hidden systems and challenges perception.Listen to the full episodes here:Breaking Dawn: How Eric Ryan of Method, Olly, Welly, transforms boring products into billion dollar brands      Listen here: Apple | Spotify House Broken: Pete Flint on Disrupting Real Estate and Building Trulia— Pete Flint      Listen here: Apple | Spotify Breaking Precedent: Retired Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer on what is precedent?      Listen here: Apple | Spotify Breaking the Food Chain: Pat Brown’s Mission to Transform the Meat Industry with Impossible Foods      Listen here: Apple | Spotify A Water Break: The Undaunted Journey of Kara Goldin and Hint      Listen here: Apple | Spotify Breaking Cover: Trevor Paglen with a bold artistic approach to challenging societal thinking and setting new precedents      Listen here: Apple | Spotify Resources:Method ProductsImpossible FoodsHint WaterTruliaShow Notes: (00:00) – Introduction to Breaking Precedent(00:30) – Sunrise Breakers: Predicting and Shaping Trends(05:00) – Tide Breakers: Returning to Forgotten Truths(07:30) – Rainbow Breakers: Defying Expectations(10:30) – Conclusion: What Kind of Breaker Are You?(14:00) – “We not only created a product…We set a new precedent in the industry.”---Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

During our summer break, we’re revisiting powerful conversations from Season One of Breaking Precedent. In this episode, host Leah Solivan explores the paradox of venture capital—a system designed to fund innovation but resistant to change. Featuring Ann Miura-Ko of Floodgate, Pete Flint of NFX, and Aaron Holiday of 645 Ventures, this episode exposes the subtle forces that shape who gets funded, whose ideas are considered “viable,” and what it really takes to break into the inner circle of VC. From early Lyft experiments to navigating legality and bias, these precedent breakers challenge the notion that disruption ends with the product—sometimes, you have to disrupt the system itself.Ann Miura-Ko is the Co-Founder and General Partner at Floodgate, an early-stage venture capital firm known for backing iconic startups at their inception, including Lyft, Refinery29, and Twitch. Often described as one of Silicon Valley’s most respected investors, Ann is a self-proclaimed "precedent breaker"—someone who thrives in ambiguity and seeks out founders who challenge conventional wisdom.Explore Floodgate: https://www.floodgate.comConnect with Ann Miura-Ko on X: https://x.com/annimaniacPete Flint is a General Partner at NFX and the Founder of Trulia, one of the most successful real estate platforms in the U.S., which IPO'd and later merged with Zillow in a multi-billion-dollar deal. Now a leading venture capitalist, Pete channels his experience as a founder into mentoring startups with world-changing potential..Learn more about NFX: https://www.nfx.comConnect with Pete Flint on X: https://x.com/pflintAaron Holiday is the Co-Founder and Managing Partner of 645 Ventures, a venture capital firm backing early-stage startups led by visionary, often underestimated founders. With a background that bridges entrepreneurship, systems thinking, and institutional investing, Aaron takes a high-conviction, hands-on approach to venture capital.Explore 645 Ventures: https://645ventures.comConnect with Aaron Holiday on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaronholidayListen to the full episodes here:Breaking Tradition: Co-Founding Partner of Floodgate, Ann Miura-Ko, on innovations in Venture Capital — Ann Miura-Ko  Listen here: Apple | Spotify House Broken: Pete Flint on Disrupting Real Estate and Building Trulia— Pete FlintListen here: Apple | Spotify Venture Capital: Aaron Holiday on 645 ventures' data-driven approach to sourcing deals and bringing the invisible to life — Aaron HolidayListen here: Apple | Spotify Resources:TaskRabbitLyft (originally Zimride)UberTruliaShow Notes: (00:00) Introduction to venture capital's paradox(00:30) Inside the pitch room: personal experiences(01:30) Breaking precedents: Ann Marico's story(02:00) The Zimride to Lyft transformation(06:00) Challenges and innovations in venture capital(07:00) Aaron Holiday: redefining access and experimentation(11:00) The future of venture capital: diversity and resilience(11:50) "Venture has a branding problem." — Pete Flint, founder of Trulia(14:30) Conclusion: reframing venture capital--- Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

The Precedent Spectrum: From Law to ArtDuring our summer break, we’re revisiting powerful conversations from Season One of Breaking Precedent, in this episode host Leah Sullivan explores how precedent shapes everything from law to art. Leah starts with Justice Steven Breyer discussing the landmark Supreme Court case Brown vs. Board of Education, which broke the 'separate but equal' precedent. The episode also features Bismarck Lepe, founder of MiSalud Health, who revolutionized healthcare access for the Hispanic community, and Kara Golden, who disrupted the beverage industry with Hint Water. Other notable guests include Eric Ryan, who transformed the consumer products market; Ann Miura-Ko, a venture capitalist with a keen eye for 'super thinkers'; and Shiza Shahid, co-founder of the Malala Fund. The episode concludes with artist Trevor Paglen, who redefines art by pushing its boundaries. Each guest’s journey illustrates how breaking precedent, though risky, can lead to significant societal advancements.Listen to the full original episodes here:Breaking Precedent: Retired Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer on what is precedent? — Justice Stephen Breyer  Listen here: Apple | Spotify Breaking Tradition: Co-Founding Partner of Floodgate, Ann Miura-Ko, on innovations in Venture Capital — Ann Miura-Ko  Listen here: Apple | Spotify Piercing the Veil: Shiza Shahid on co-founding the $1B Malala Fund to transforming kitchenware with Our Place — Shiza Shahid  Listen here: Apple | Spotify Breaking Dawn: How Eric Ryan of Method, Olly, Welly, transforms boring products into billion dollar brands — Eric Ryan  Listen here: Apple | Spotify Breaking Cover: Trevor Paglen with a bold artistic approach to challenging societal thinking and setting new precedents — Trevor Paglen  Listen here: Apple | Spotify Rompiendo Precedente: Bismarck Lepe on Breaking Barriers from the Fields to Google to Founding Mi Salud Health — Bismarck Lepe  Listen here: Apple | Spotify A Water Break: The Undaunted Journey of Kara Goldin and Hint — Kara Goldin  Listen here: Apple | Spotify Show Notes:(00:00) Introduction: The Power of Precedent(01:00) The Legal Bedrock: Precedent in Law(04:30) Healthcare Innovation: Breaking Barriers with MiSalud(08:30) Entrepreneurial Grit: The Story of Hint Water(13:00) Revolutionizing Industries: Method, Ollie, and Welle(15:30) Empowering Change: Shiza Shahid and the Malala Fund(18:30) Art and Innovation: Challenging the Status Quo(21:00) Conclusion: The Impact of Breaking Precedent--- Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: https://www.breakingprecedent.com/  Instagram: @labunleashed - https://www.instagram.com/labunleashed/ X: @labunleashed - https://twitter.com/labunleashed?lang=en 

In this episode of Breaking Precedent, host Leah Solivan sits down with Julie Rice, co-founder of SoulCycle and Peoplehood, to discuss how she helped redefine not just boutique fitness, but the modern experience of community. Julie shares how her background in theater and talent management laid the foundation for one of the most iconic wellness brands in the world. Together, they unpack the emotional blueprint behind SoulCycle’s five-part class design, the revolutionary decision to prioritize instructors as full-time talent, and the power of scaling human magic. With Peoplehood, Julie is channeling her obsession with connection into relational health designing group experiences that teach how to actively listen, support, and feel seen.Guest Bio and Links:Julie Rice is a serial entrepreneur and community-builder best known as the co-founder of SoulCycle and now Peoplehood, a platform for relational fitness and guided group conversation. Her work centers on designing experiences that build human connection at scale.Listeners can learn more about Julie Rice through LinkedIn @juliericeCheck out Julie’s latest venture Peoplehood, and learn more about Soulcycle   Show Notes: (0:00) Leah announces fall 2025 launch of Breaking Precedent!(4:30) Leah welcomes founder of Soulcycle, Julie Rice  (5:00) How precedent breaking shows up for Julie(6:00) The intentionality behind building a fitness community  (8:00) Love of theatre and connecting a stage to Soulcycle(14:00) Meeting Elizabeth, Julies business partner(16:00) The napkin math that started Soulcycle(20:00) Opening the Bridge Hamptons studio(20:45) “ It was always supposed to be something that helped you feel empowered, that made you feel like you could be more than you thought you could, that made you feel good in your body, that allowed you to want to communicate differently with support other people.” - J.R(23:00) What sets Soulcycle apart from other fitness classes and gorups(28:30) Scaling Soulcycle out of cultivating human experience(31:00) The number one most important investment - the instructors (32:30) The culture of ‘yes’ as a business principle (36:00)  ”There is a simplicity in knowing people. That is really the biggest gift that people want.” - J.R (36:30) Why they never franchised SoulCycle(37:30) Partnering with Equinox - the pros and the tradeoffs(42:00) Julies’ emotional transition out of Soulcycle (44:00) Introducing Peoplehood - realtional health (47:00) The art of active listening(48:00) SoulCycle and Peoplehood - Are they a sunrise, tide, or rainbow --- Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

In this episode of Breaking Precedent, host Leah Solivan dives deep into the life-altering journey of Sarah Hoover, author of 'The Motherload.' Sarah discusses how her rage and postpartum depression propelled her to write a raw and honest memoir that challenges societal norms about motherhood. Leah and Sarah unpack topics such as postpartum trauma, the inadequacies of the medical system, and the unique challenges faced by working mothers. Sarah’s story doesn’t just break precedent, it dismantles the silence around maternal mental health and invites us to question the rigid norms we've long accepted.Guest Bio and Links:Sarah Hoover is an art historian, writer, and former director at Gagosian Gallery whose work centers around the cultural intersections of womanhood, art, and maternal identity. Her debut book The Mother Load dismantles the myths of motherhood through raw honesty and wit. She lives with her husband and two kids in Manhattan.Listeners can learn more about Sarah Hoover on her website, and on IG @sarahhoovSarah’s book - The Motherload: Episodes from the Brink of MotherhoodShow Notes: (0:00) Intro(2:00) Leah introduces guest, Sarah Hoover to Breaking Precedent(2:30) Icebreaker - child yelp reviews(5:00) Sarah’s roots - ballet, art, and indiana (7:30) Connecting over ballet (13:00) “ I have a very standard birth, but I found it violating and scary and terrifying, and it left me really broken. When my son was born after 19 hours of labor, I felt so assaulted by what I had been through in that delivery room.”(15:00) Turning rage into purose(20:00) Cultural conditioning and the female burden(24:30) Failures of modern medicine and the edinburgh scale(31:30) Sarah’s acknowledged the need to seek help(32:00) Another layer of stress - entrusting a nanny to help parent(33:00) Medical history of maternal care(35:30) Trauma-informed care - what needs to change(39:00) AI medical care becoming preferred over human medical care?(40:00) Leah shares her surrogacy experience and seeing birth from the other side(43:00) What writing has taught Sarah(50:45) Question:  What's one piece of parenting advice you think is bullshit?(53:00) Breaking precedents - you can’t have it all (at once)--- Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

In this episode of Breaking Precedent, host Leah Solivan sits down with Chris Redlitz and Beverly Parenti, co-founders of The Last Mile, a groundbreaking prison education program that’s transforming lives behind bars through coding, entrepreneurship, and purpose. From venture capital success stories in Silicon Valley to walking the yards of San Quentin and Indiana State Prisons, Chris and Beverly share their radical journey into social innovation. They explore how tech education is breaking generational cycles of incarceration, lowering recidivism rates, and redefining second chances. Chris and Beverly share some deeply moving stories of transformation, including a woman who declined early release to finish the program, and a man who was once cellmates with his father.Guest Bio and Links:Chris Redlitz is a venture capitalist and former endurance athlete who co-founded The Last Mile after a pivotal visit to San Quentin prison. With a background in growing companies like Reebok and launching digital ventures, he now channels his entrepreneurial experience into transforming prison education.Beverly Parenti is a veteran tech entrepreneur and innovator who co-founded The Last Mile to empower incarcerated individuals, particularly women, with marketable skills. As the first-generation daughter of Holocaust survivors, Beverly's life has been profoundly shaped by her father's experiences during World War II. Her father's story of survival became a guiding light in her life, instilling in her the values of resourcefulness, resilience, and relentless perseverance.Learn more about The Last Mile at their website  Connect with Chris Redlitz on LinkedIn @ChrisRedlitz, and on X @ChrisRedlitz Connect with Beverly Parenti on LinkedIn @BeverlyParenti and on X @thebev     Show Notes: (0:00) Intro(1:45) Leah introduces guests, Chris and Beverly to Breaking Precident  (2:10) Icebreaker - moments that changed everything(4:30) Beverly's journey - from retail to PayPal(7:00) Chris’s journey from sailing to Silicon Valley(10:00) The birth of The Last Mile(15:00)  ”What my father taught me was to be resourceful, to be resilient and relentless. and to this day, those three Rs are not only part of my mo, but also things that I teach others.” - Beverly Parenti(21:30) First steps - building trust in San Quentin(26:00) The business case for prison reform(28:00) Impact and success - reducing recidivism(31:30) Expansion and new programs(35:00) Culture shift - from infractions to aspirations(38:00) Rigorous application process(43:00) Stories of transformation - Billie and Darnell(44:30) Generational change through scholarships(46:30) Scaling and adapting the program nationwide(52:00) Social enterprises and equity for graduates(56:00) What they’ve unlearned(1:00:00) Reflections and tuture goals--- Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

In this episode of Breaking Precedent, host Leah Solivan sits down with Matteo Franceschetti, the visionary founder and CEO of Eight Sleep, to explore how sleep is becoming the most critical, and most overlooked dimension of human performance. From growing up in an Italian town to revolutionizing sleep technology in Silicon Valley, Matteo shares a remarkable journey of grit, ambition, and innovation. He opens up about the transformation from competitive athlete to tech entrepreneur, and why he believes the future of sleep lies in compression, personalization, and AI-driven health scans. The two dive into topics like sleep fitness, temperature regulation, global expansion, and even how sleep training parallels child development.Guest Bio and Links:Matteo Franceschetti is the Co-Founder and CEO of Eight Sleep, the sleep fitness company.Eight Sleep developed a proprietary technology which is redesigning sleep by developing cutting-edge AI and machine learning models to track bio signals during the night and optimizing body recovery and rest while asleep. The end goal of the Pod is to compress sleep and scan your body while asleep to monitor your health. Eight Sleep is currently used by pro athletes and top performers across multiple industries and was recognized as one of TIME’s “Best Inventions” in 2018 and 2019, was named one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Companies” in 2018, and has raised over $150M in funding from leading investors, including Founders Fund, Softbank, Khosla Ventures, Y Combinator, Valor Equity Partners, General Catalyst, Naval Ravikant, and Patrick Collison.Discover your perfect sleep set up - Take QuizConnect with Matteo Franceschetti on X @m_franceschetti  Show Notes: (0:00) Intro(1:30) Leah introduces guest, Co-Founder and CEO of Eight Sleep, Matteo Franceschetti(2:00) Q: If you could sleep anywhere in the world, where would it be? (3:00) Matteo’s early life and career as lawyer(9:00) The Birth of Eight Sleep(10:30) Innovations in sleep technology (13:30) Redefining sleep as performance(16:30) Full-body scanning - the future of preventative health(19:00) Contrasts between italian and Silicon Valley cultures(26:00) The discipline of survival in hardware(30:00) Jet lag strategies and biohacking sleep(33:30) Early challenges in manufacturing(37:00) Sleep’s role in the health tech movement(40:00) Eight sleep's operating principles and startup discipline(40:30) “ I always push the team to think in terms of hours.”(42:30) Closing thoughts--- Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

In this episode of Breaking Precedent, host Leah Solivan dives deep with Founder of Trulia, Pete Flint. Pete opens up about his early days studying physics at Oxford and how his curiosity eventually led him into the fast-paced world of startups. He talks about his experience at lastminute.com, one of the UK’s hottest tech companies at the time, and what it was like navigating through the chaos of the dot-com crash and the aftermath of 9/11. After moving to Silicon Valley to attend Stanford, Pete shares the story behind the lightbulb moment that sparked Trulia—and how he broke into one of the most tightly regulated industries in the U.S. Now a partner at NFX, Pete reflects on what he's seeing in the next wave of startups, especially around AI, and how the rules of building and scaling companies are changing in real time.Guest Bio and Links:Pete Flint is a serial entrepreneur and investor who co-founded Trulia, steering the company through its IPO and a multi-billion-dollar merger with Zillow. Today, he's a General Partner at NFX, investing in early-stage companies that leverage network effects and cutting-edge technologies.Listeners can learn more about Pete Flint at NFX, and on LinkedIn @PeteFlintTrulia Show Notes: (0:00) Intro (2:00) Leah introduces guest and founder of Trulia, Pete Flint(2:30) Pete gives a brief background of himself (5:00) Pete's childhood and early influences(9:30) How studying physics shaped Pete's thinking(12:00) Internships, London startups, and lastminute.com(17:30) Dot-com crash lessons(20:30) Transition to Silicon Valley and Stanford(24:40) The birth of Trulia(26:30) Launching during a market collapse(38:00) The role of technology in disrupting industries(42:00) The Zillow merger(44:00) Becoming an Investor(47:30) The future of startups and venture capital--- Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

In this episode of Breaking Precedent, host Leah Solivan dives deep with Dr. Patrick Brown, the founder of Impossible Foods, who left a celebrated career in science to take on one of the most urgent issues of our time - animal agriculture. Together, they discuss how a plant-based alternative could dismantle an outdated, destructive food system and catalyze planetary restoration. Brown shares the origin story behind Impossible Foods, recounting his bold pivot from Stanford professor to food-tech pioneer. He unpacks the global environmental costs of livestock farming and oGuest Bio and Links:Patrick Brown is a biochemist, former Stanford professor, and founder of Impossible Foods, a company revolutionizing the way meat is made by eliminating animals from the equation. Through science, sustainability, and purpose-driven entrepreneurship, he is working to replace the global animal agriculture system by 2035.Listeners can learn more about Patrick Brown on his website, on LinkedIn @PatrickBrown, and on Stanford Profiles  Resources:Impossible Foods Origins Show Notes: (0:00) Intro(2:30) Leah introduces guest and founder of Impossible Foods, Patrick Brown(3:30) How Patrick challenged the status quo(4:30)  ”Impossible Foods has been called a game changer, a disruptor, it's even been called a threat by the traditional meat industry.”(7:30) Early life and growing up with a father in the CIA(12:30) Patricks early career life(19:30) Patrick takes a sabbatical that sparked a revolution (24:00) ”The basic problem is not that people love meat. It's that we're using the wrong technology to produce it.”(26:30) Reversing climate damage through food system reform(32:30) Mission over market - a scientist's radical path(37:00) Launching a meat revolution - Impossible Foods(39:00) Winning over chefs - Dave Chang and strategic launch(44:30) Declining Google’s buyout(45:30) Barriers to scale - cost, regulation, and disinformation(51:30) The 2035 vision - what it will take to succeed(53:00) Final thoughts--- Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

In this episode of Breaking Precedent, host Leah Solivan is joined by Selina Tobaccowala, a pioneering tech entrepreneur whose journey began with co-founding Evite and scaling SurveyMonkey to new heights. Selina shares how her childhood fascination with computers, combined with an insatiable drive for problem-solving, led her to break boundaries in Silicon Valley. From navigating the dot-com bubble to her latest venture, HomeBoost, she reveals the principles that have guided her success, including her father’s three essential questions for career decisions. Leah and Selina explore the intersection of technology and impact, the challenges of raising venture capital as a female founder, and how AI is transforming residential energy efficiency.Guest Bio and Links:Selina Tobaccowala is a tech entrepreneur and innovator who co-founded Evite, served as President and CTO of SurveyMonkey, and is now revolutionizing home energy efficiency with her latest company, HomeBoost. Selina has a deep passion for using technology to solve real-world problems and she has built and led companies that have transformed industries.Listeners can connect with Selina Tobaccowala on her IG @sootleHomeBoostSurveyMonkeyEvite Show Notes: (0:00) Intro(0:00) Leah introduces guest and entrepreneur, Selina Tobaccowala(4:30) “ I think it's like different between how you might perceive yourself versus how others might perceive you.”(6:00) Selina’s early life and childhood inspirations (7:30) Discovering computer science (9:00) The accidental basketball captain(11:45) Choosing Stanford for college (16:00) The birth of Evite(22:00) Navigating rapid growth, venture capital, and the reality of selling a startup(28:30) Evite's unconventional sale(30:30) Joining SurveyMonkey(35:00) Lessons from SurveyMonkey(37:30)  ”There's always this culture act like an owner, but if people don't feel empowered to take that risk, you can't act like an owner.  And so you have to balance those things together.”(39:45) New project: HomeBoost(46:00) The simplicity and future of home energy(51:00) Advice for non-traditional founders--- Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

In this episode of Breaking Precedent, host Leah Solivan is joined by Bismarck Lepe, a serial entrepreneur who has shattered conventions at every stage of his life. From growing up as the child of Mexican migrant workers to becoming a Stanford graduate and an early Google employee, Bismarck shares his incredible journey of resilience, innovation, and leadership. He discusses his early entrepreneurial ventures, the lessons learned at Google, and the groundbreaking work of his companies, including Ooyala, WiseLine, and MiSalud. With profound expertise in business, technology, and seizing opportunity, Bismarck provides an inspiring perspective on how vision and perseverance can transform industries.Guest Bio and Links:Bismarck Lepe, founder and Executive Chairman of Wizeline, is a seasoned Silicon Valley entrepreneur and investor. As an early Google employee, he left to start Ooyala, an online video platform that sold for $400 million to Telstra in 2014. Passionate about economic growth and education, he has helped transform Guadalajara into a thriving tech hub through Wizeline Academy and StartupGDL, generating over 1,500 jobs and attracting significant investment. Under his leadership, Wizeline expanded to seven countries, with talent spanning 15 nations. For over a decade, he has been a key force in fostering Mexico-Silicon Valley collaboration in technology and entrepreneurship.Listeners can learn more about Bismarck Lepe on LinkedIn @BismarckLepeWizeLine in the Press MiSalud Health - Designed For Spanish-First Teams on the MoveShow Notes: (0:00) Intro (2:45) Leah introduces Bismarck Lepe, (4:00) Bismarck’s early life and background (8:30) Educational journey and parental sacrifices(10:15) Starting roots in Southern California and Mexico(14:00) Learning English through Sesame Street & Mr. Rogers(17:00) Cultural identity & navigating assimilation (23:30) Path to Stanford University and a life-changing conversation(30:30) Joining Google and the Acquisition of YouTube (35:00) Founding Ooyala(35:30) Early failures and lessons learned(41:00) The 2008 financial crisis and its impact(46:00) WizeLine - building tech talent in Mexico(51:15)  ”Talent is evenly distributed around the world. It's just opportunity and experience that isn't.”(53:30) Founding MiSalud - revolutionizing healthcare access(1:04:30) Changing perceptions of Mexico & Latinx talent(1:06:30) ”Here we were, as a brand, we were a vehicle to change the perception of Mexicans. People weren't talking about soccer players or tequila or mariachi, they were talking about intellectual property that Mexicans were building.”--- Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

In this episode of Breaking Precedent, host Leah Solivan sits down with Jes Wolfe, CEO of Rebel Girls, adventurer, and precedent-breaker. Jes shares her experience summiting Mount Aconcagua, one of the tallest mountains in the world, and how she found the strength to keep going after facing an unexpected tragedy on the climb. Jes then discusses the birth of Rebel Girls, and the importance of sharing real-life stories of strong women and how early biases in media, education, and parenting contribute to the confidence gap in girls. Jes shares Rebel Girls’ ambitious mission to reach 100 million girls, the launch of Rebel Girls Sport, an ESPN-style platform designed to engage young fans in women’s sports, and the one major societal norm she would change if she could.Guest Bio and Links:Jes Wolfe is the CEO of Rebel Girls, a global storytelling company on a mission to inspire and empower young girls. A lifelong adventurer and leader, Jes has a background in finance, international business, and entrepreneurship. Before joining Rebel Girls, she held roles at Morgan Stanley, the World Bank, and various startups, bringing a wealth of experience in scaling purpose-driven companies. An avid mountaineer, Jes recently summited Mount Aconcagua, demonstrating her philosophy of resilience and ambition. Under her leadership, Rebel Girls continues to break barriers, reaching millions of girls worldwide with stories of fearless women and redefining representation in children’s media.Listeners can learn more about Jes Wolfe on her website, and on LinkedIn @JesWolfeShow Notes: (0:00) Intro (2:45) Leah introduces Jes Wolfe, adventurer, dog mom, and CEO of Rebel Girls (5:00) Climbing Mount Aconcagua(7:15) Jes shares a personal tragedy while on Mount Aconcagua (8:30)  ”It started out as a journey for me and it ended up as a thing for him.”(10:00) The physical and mental challenges of summiting(13:55)  ”To be successful to do this is you have to break everything down into the smallest parts.”(15:00) A little background into Jes’s adventurous childhood (18:00) From finance to finding purpose(26:00) The next chapter - Rebel Girls(27:30) Empowering girls through storytelling(31:00) How Rebel Girls is rewriting history and inspiring a new generation(35:00) Norms that still need to be challenged(37:30)  ”94 percent of parents say that their kids were inspired because of our storytelling and 86 percent said that their daughter's confidence increased because of our storytelling. And to me, that's the ultimate measure of success is, are we achieving what we're setting out to do, which is to help raise a generation of girls that are going to go forth and be awesome and believe in themselves.”(40:30) Expanding Rebel Girls' impact(42:30) Future goals and inspirations(46:00) Rebel Girls Sport(51:00) Closing thoughts--- Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

In this episode of Breaking Precedent, host Leah Solivan talks with Kara Goldin, founder and CEO of Hint Water, to talk about her journey from AOL exec to beverage industry disruptor. Kara shares how her father’s influence, a knack for asking the right questions, and a fearless approach to problem-solving led her to create an entirely new category in drinks. She also opens up about learning from visionaries like Jeff Bezos, balancing entrepreneurship with family, and refusing to compromise on product integrity—despite having no industry experience.Guest Bio and Links:Kara Goldin is the founder and CEO of Hint, Inc., the pioneering brand behind unsweetened flavored water. Before launching Hint in 2005, she was a Vice President at AOL, where she helped grow its e-commerce business to over $1 billion. She is the author of the bestselling book Undaunted and has been recognized as an EY Entrepreneur of the Year and one of Fortune’s Most Powerful Women Entrepreneurs.Listeners can learn more about Kara Goldin at her website, on LinkedIn @karagoldin, on IG @karagoldinKara’s Book: Undaunted  Show Notes: (0:00) Intro(3:00) Leah introduces guest, Kara Goldin, founder and CEO of Hint Water(5:00) Early life for Kara(10:00) Creating Hint - a new beverage category(13:00) Lessons from Dad(19:30) Challenges in retail and distribution(24:00) Joining CNN and meeting Ted Turner (26:30) Making the move to San Francisco(37:00) Building the AOL marketplace(39:30)  ”Sometimes it's better to look outside of your industry for the answers that you need, especially if you're trying to up your own game.”(41:30) Meeting Jeff Bezos in Amazon’s early days(47:30) From AOL to family life - new beginnings(48:00) The birth of Hint Water(56:30) Challenges and innovations in extending shelf life(1:04:30) “ It just takes somebody who is curious, who's a little crazy and who's willing to try.”(1:07:00) The family influence with Hint (1:11:15) Final thoughts --- Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

In this episode of Breaking Precedent, host Leah Solivan talks with Tamara Rojo, a trailblazing ballerina, choreographer, and artistic director of the San Francisco Ballet. Tamara shares her extraordinary journey from humble beginnings in Madrid to becoming one of the most celebrated dancers of her generation. Leah and Tamara touch on Tamara’s innovative approach to leadership, redefining classic stories like Carmen, and the importance of accessibility and diversity in the arts.Guest Bio and Links:Tamara Rojo is one of the most celebrated ballerinas of her generation. Born in Montreal and raised in Madrid, Tamara broke barriers as an outsider in the ballet world, becoming the first female Artistic Director of the English National Ballet and, more recently, the San Francisco Ballet. Known for her emotional depth, technical brilliance, and innovative leadership, she continues to push the art form forward by commissioning bold new works and amplifying diverse voices in ballet.Listeners can learn more about Tamara at her website, and on IG @rojotamaraShow Notes: (0:00) Intro(0:30) Leah introduces guest, Spanish ballet dancer, Tamara Rojo (4:30) Tamara on growing up in Madrid(13:00) Tamara’s initial thoughts on ballet(19:00) Joining the Scottish Ballet and classical training(20:30) The evolution and influence of ballet(27:30) The emotional connection in ballet performance(28:00)  ”You need to be a master of your craft because you can only lose yourself in the emotion of the character if you're not worried about whether or not you can finish your pirouette.”(30:45) Overcoming dance limitations(32:30) Reimagining Carmen(36:00) Creating 'Mere Mortals'(47:00) Vision for San Fransisco ballet(54:00) Supporting dancers' well-being--- Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

In this episode of Breaking Precedent, host Leah Solivan talks with Andy Dunn, founder of Bonobos, author, and advocate for mental health. They discuss Andy's groundbreaking work in retail with Bonobos, his personal experience navigating mental health challenges, and his latest venture, Pi Social, aimed at fostering in-person connections. Andy opens up about the influence of growing up in a multicultural household, the impact of his bipolar disorder diagnosis, and how he turned what many see as a weakness into a powerful aspect of his identity.Guest Bio and Links:Andy Dunn is an American entrepreneur and the co-founder of Bonobos Inc. Dunn served as CEO for eleven years after co-founding the Bonobos brand in 2007. In June 2017, Walmart announced purchasing the Bonobos brand for $310 million in cash.Learn more about Andy Dunn at his website, on IG @dunn Andy’s Book: Burn Rate: Launching a Startup and Losing My MindShow Notes: (0:00) Intro(2:30) Leah introduces guest, Andy Dunn, founder of Bonobos (3:30) Andy discusses growing up in a multicultural household(6:00) Realizing the power in differences during college(11:00) Transition from pre-med to business (15:00) The Stanford experience and meeting Brian(17:30) Challenges and successes of building Bonobos(19:00) The digital brand revolution(24:00) The innovation of Bonobos' guide shops without inventory(30:00) Mental health advocacy and writing Burn Rate(35:00) Substance use and misdiagnosis(36:00) Burying the bipolar diagnosis(37:00) Repressed memories and mental health(38:00) Depression and starting Bonobos(39:30) Second episode and higher stakes(46:00) Cultural differences in mental health(52:00)  ”Strengths have shadows.”(56:00) Founding Pi and platonic friendships(1:04:00) Challenging societal norms(1:06:00) Finding empathy in political norms(1:10:00) Closing thoughts--- Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

In this episode of Breaking Precedent, host Leah Solivan talks to Windy Chien, a former tech professional turned celebrated artist renowned for her intricate knots and innovative art installations. Wendy shares her journey of creative reinvention, drawing insights from her project 'The Year of Knots,' and delves into her background, influences, and the transition from tech to tactile art. She emphasizes the universal language of knots, the role of discipline, and the beauty of day-to-day creativity. The episode explores how Wendy's non-traditional path led her to collaborations with major institutions and a unique approach to art that honors tradition while breaking new ground.Guest Bio and Links:Artist Windy Chien is best known for her 2016 work, The Year of Knots, in which she learned a new knot every day for a year. Her work ranges in size from a knot that can fit in the palm of a child's hand to room-sized installations that are sought after by private collectors. Following long careers at Apple and as the owner of legendary music shop Aquarius Records, she launched her studio in 2015. Select clients include the National Geographic Society, the De Young Museum, the San Francisco MOMA, Nobu Hotels, Google, and the Kering Group, and her work has been covered by Wired, The New York Times, and Martha Stewart. Windy’s book about her work was published by Abrams in 2019. Listeners can learn more about Windy Chien at her website and on IG @windychienResources:The Year of Knots by Windy ChienExhibitions  CollaborationsWindy's Install at Leah'sShow Notes: (0:00) Intro(3:00) Leah introduces guest, Windy Chien, Artist and Innovator(3:30) The journey of knot making(4:00) Windy's early life and influences(6:00) The impact of her military upbringing(7:30) Creativity and cultural heritage(11:30) Embracing the outsider perspective(16:00) Changing circumstances and sitting with uncertainty(21:00) ”The thing that makes a knot a knot is intentionality. That's what separates it from a tangle, right? It was tied in a certain way to do a certain thing. And knots occur in every occupation, every culture around the world for centuries.”(23:30) From filmmaking to music(29:30) Transition to Apple and tech innovations(32:00) The impact of recognition and amplification(32:30) Revolutionary apps and TaskRabbit's role(33:00) A creative epiphany at Apple(35:00) Exploring new creative avenues(36:00) Discovering fiber art and woodworking(40:00) The Year of Knots and Its impact(43:00) Large-scale installations and their influence(51:00) Collaborations across mediums(56:00) Advice for aspiring artists(58:00) Final reflections and inspirations--- Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

In this episode of Breaking Precedent, host Leah Solivan sits down with Kevin Caldwell, founder and CEO of Ossium Health. From blending astrophysics, economics, and law, Kevin's unconventional journey to biotech is as inspiring as it is innovative. Kevin shares his groundbreaking work in making stem cell therapies more accessible, the future of preventative medicine, and the immense impact Ossium could have on treating blood cancers and beyond. Kevin shares his vision for a healthier world, leveraging cutting-edge science to save lives and improve health spans.Guest Bio and Links:As CEO, Co-Founder & President of Ossium Health, Kevin Caldwell has built Ossium from a small startup into a clinical-stage bioengineering company.  Kevin set the company’s mission to improve human health through bioengineering and designed its platform-based model for cellular therapeutics development.  Kevin has led the company’s successful pursuit, negotiation, and execution of more than 50 business relationships, including 5 successful fundraisings and dozens of supply partnerships, clinical partnerships, and commercial contracts with biopharmaceutical companies.Listeners can learn more about Kevin Caldwell at Ossium HealthShow Notes: (0:30) Leah introduces guest, Kevin Caldwell, founder and CEO of Ossium Health(4:00) Kevin's unconventional journey(5:00) Childhood curiosity and influences(13:00) MIT and the love for science(16:30) From physics to law(23:00) Time at Bridgewater(25:00) The role of cross-disciplinary thinking in Kevin’s career(33:30) “Our healthcare system was very reactive, like first they would get sick, and then we would take them to see a doctor who would retroactively diagnose them and prescribe an intervention that usually did reduce their suffering but didn't really improve their health.”(34:00) The economics in healthcare (36:30) Meeting the co-founder and starting Ossium(39:00) The vision and technology behind Ossium(49:00) The future of preventative medicine and stem cell banking(53:00) The first successful transplant using Ossium's technology(56:30) The role of venture investors (1:03:00) Final thoughts--- Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed

In this episode of Breaking Precedent, host Leah Solivan talks with Bianca Gates, founder and CEO of Birdies, about her entrepreneurial journey. Bianca shares her upbringing as the daughter of Latin American immigrants, her early aspirations to be a career woman, and her inspiring career trajectory from pharmaceutical and media sales to her dream job at Facebook. Bianca discusses the creation of Birdies, a brand of stylish and comfortable 'social slippers,' and how she leveraged her sales know-how and experiences at Facebook to turn Birdies into the beloved footwear brand it is today. Guest Bio and Links:Bianca Gates is the CEO and co-founder of Birdies, a leading footwear brand that introduced the concept of the "social slipper." Before Birdies, Bianca built a successful career in sales at Univision, MTV, and Facebook, where she worked closely with Sheryl Sandberg. Born to Latin American immigrants, Bianca is a pioneer in combining entrepreneurial drive with a commitment to empowering women.Listeners can learn more about Bianca Gates on her website, on IG @biancagatesShow Notes: (0:00) Intro (0:25) Leah introduces guest, Bianca Gates, CEO of Birdies Footwear (2:00) The struggle for the perfect shoe(3:45) Setting a new precedent in footwear(6:00) Growing up Latina in America(9:30) “I tell people sometimes when you're in a weak moment or you're feeling isolated or that you don't belong, I think sometimes it was like the best lessons that you can do something positive with it later in life.”(15:00) Pursuing independence and career aspirations(20:30) Landing a sales gig at Johnson and Johnson(24:30) Proving sales potential at Univision (29:00) Pitching Hyundai Kia(32:30) Finding love and moving west back home(36:30) Gaining inspiration from Sheryl Sandberg (38:00) The determination to join Facebook(42:30) Taking the leap and joining Facebook(45:00) The Birth of Birdies(48:30) “Be bold and also done is better than perfect.”(51:00) The early days of launching Birdies(54:00) Navigating the retail landscape(57:00) Leaving Facebook to focus on Birdies (1:01:00) Finetuning the niche with Birdies until it worked--- Leah Solivan is the host of Breaking Precedent, a podcast that explores the stories of innovators who are pushing societal boundaries and setting new precedents in their fields. Leah is General Partner at Fuel Capital, where she invests in early-stage companies across consumer technology, hardware, education, marketplaces, and retail. Leah has 15 years of experience building and creating technology products that have reached millions of people around the globe. She started her career at IBM as an engineer in the software group, working on Lotus Notes and Domino. In 2008, Leah founded TaskRabbit, the leading on-demand service marketplace in the world.Connect with Leah:Website: breakingprecedent.com/ Instagram: @labunleashedX: @labunleashed