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by Joshua Citarella, Interdependence, New Models
an aggregated feed of Joshua Citarella, Interdependence (Holly Herndon & Mat Dryhurst), New Models (Caroline Busta, Daniel Keller, Lil Internet)
Episodes
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NM Podcast: Artforum Co-Editors Daniel Wenger & Rachel Wetzler (2026)
Our guests are Artforum co-editors Rachel Wetzler and Daniel Wenger. When the two stepped into the role this spring, the magazine, like nearly all print media and the art world at large, was wading through something of a backloop. But three issues in, a new era of the publication seems…
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NM Update: Astonishment (Sept 2026)
After a month in North America, we’re back—coming to you from Berlin with some reflections on that time and thoughts on the AI doomstorm that’s defined this year’s fall rentrée. Lil Net, currently writing on Bernadette Corporation’s film Get Rid of Yourself (2003) for the Julia Stoschek…
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NM Dispatch | America Diaries (Lil Internet) - August 2026
Every summer, we return to the land of our youth, the Mid-Atlantic USA and, as has become tradition, relay our impressions of it to you. With this episode, Lil Internet unpacks the 36 hours he spent just trying to get to the States, navigating a labyrinth of apps, regulations, platforms,...
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DS 50.5: Hito Steyerl
We explore Hito Steyerl’s recent work, soviet infrastructure, bitcoin mining, civil war and the (slim) possibilities of data centers or AI for the left. We get into the details about AI energy consumption and discuss the potentials for alternative models of data and training.
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DS 50: Hito Steyerl
My guest is Hito Steyerl, a filmmaker, author and professor of digital media at the Academy of Fine Arts in Munich. We explore the ideology of AI, automation, and the rise of reactionary politics across the advanced world. Neoliberalism might be over. But whatever comes next could be worse. In…
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NM Live | Trevor Paglen “How to See Like a Machine” launch w/ Mat Dryhurst @ Sybil, Berlin (2026)
In June, on the summer solstice, New Models hosted the Berlin launch of artist Trevor Paglen’s How to See Like a Machine (Verso, 2026) at Sybil in Berlin-Kreuzberg. If you are listening via the audio RSS, you are hearing the audio from this post-talk discussion. Part 1 (video lecture): We bring…
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NM 94 | Simon Denny on defense tech’s aesthetic turn (2026)
Artist Simon Denny returns to New Models to discuss the American defense tech sector's newfound dedication to style. Distilling the branding languages of companies like a16z, Palantir, and Anduril—which draw heavily on Italian Futurism, return-to-order neoclassicism, and the graphic idiom of...
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NM Content Today | Taste (2026)
When Enlightenment-era scholars taxonomized humankind, they chose homo sapiens, in part because of what they observed as a uniquely human aptitude for “taste.” [“Taste” comes from the Latin taxare (to handle, to assess) – an intensive form of tangere (to touch). It is a term that via vulgar Latin...
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Doomscroll 49.5: Julian Feeld
We discuss strategies of reform vs revolution, electoralism vs internationalism, and more. Our conversation continues behind the paywall.
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Doomscroll 49: Julian Feeld
My guest is Julian Feeld, an author, journalist and co-founder of the QAA podcast. He is the host of Superstructure with comedian Jon Gabrus. Our conversation explores the impact of media, political speech and “influence” in our extremely-online society. What do we hope to accomplish through...
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Doomscroll 48.5: Claire Valdez
We discuss Claire’s background in art, working at Sculpture Center, studying at SAIC and navigating the extreme inequality of American life. I share some war stories about the hazards of DIY creative life, freelancing and healthcare.
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Doomscroll 48: Claire Valdez
My guest is Claire Valdez, a union organizer, artist and democratic socialist running for congress in NY-7. Valdez has garnered an impressive list of endorsements; Bernie Sanders, Zohran Mamdani, UAW’s Shawn Fain, DSA, Mahmoud Khalil, Zephyr Teachout, and many others. We discuss the American…
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The Online Marketplace of Ideas w/ Joshua Citarella
In recent episodes, you’ve heard us mention the project we created this spring with Joshua Citarella, together with the spatial design studio sub, for “Strange Rules” at Palazzo Diedo, Venice. On this episode, we chat with Josh about this work. The exhibition, which was curated by Holly Herndon,...
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NM Talkcore | Artist Steven Warwick on making music in the time of “content” (2026)
We talk a lot on this show about the “content” layer being compromised; how, given the physics of the feed, the creative act increasingly happens at the protocol level. While this is true, good books and films and records are, in fact,still being made. On this ep, friend of New Models Steven...
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NM Content Today | Quis Contra Nos, Venetia (2026)
If the stats are correct, 3,733 registered journalists attended the preopening of this year’s Venice Art Biennale, a group that is projected to produce some 2500 pieces of legacy media style coverage. It just so happens that we, too, were in Venice — there to install our work with Joshua…
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Doomscroll 47.5: Abby Martin
Abby and I analyze the new Manosphere doc by Louis Theroux, college campus politics, elite formation, legacy vs alt media, and explore some deeper themes from her new film.
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Doomscroll 47: Abby Martin
My guest is Abby Martin, a journalist and documentarian. We explore the early years of internet culture (before big platforms and algorithms) back when Occupy Wall Street and 4chan were on the same side. This formative period gave birth to the first wave of an anti-establishment alternative…
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Doomscroll 46.5: ContraPoints
We dive deeper into Natalie’s thinking on Anti-Zionism. Later, we discuss the decade long arc and development of her creative practice; from concept to writing to film-making. We explore the shifting role of cultural institutions in a world of platforms and user generated content, cancel culture...
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Doomscroll 45.5: John Wilson
We discuss the distinct but overlapping value systems of art and entertainment. Is an online view count more democratic than an elite institutions? Do we lose a humanistic, intangible quality of art when we begin to put quantitative metrics onto it? Should the museum become another streaming...
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NM Greenroom | VICE Magazine's Ben Ditto & Kevin Lee Kharas (2026)
"Anyone that claims they understand the world — this immediately marks them out as a fraud." — Kevin Lee Kharas After the imperial collapse (40 global offices, thousands of employees, bankruptcy), VICE magazine is now run by a lean, London-based team — and it is making one of the best culture...
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Doomscroll 45: John Wilson
My guest is John Wilson, a film maker and documentarian. He is the director of a new movie “The History of Concrete.” Today’s program is part of the 82nd Whitney Biennial, curated by Marcela Guerrero and Drew Sawyer at the Whitney Museum in New York City. We discuss the urban environment, themes…
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NM 93 | Daniël de Zeeuw & Sal Hagen on the post-discursive web (2026)
We’re joined by media scholars Daniël de Zeeuw & Sal Hagen, who have been closely tracking the weirder end of the internet for over a decade—their research and analysis of 4chan has made them low-key legends within internet studies. As 4chan’s logic is now pervasive across the social web, Daniël...
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Doomscroll 44.5: Dustin Guastella
We explore “the Democratic penalty”, new research from the Center for Working Class Politics, my weird media analysis drawn from porn and the furry community (real), the Europhile vision of socialism and the on-going crisis at the southern border. Is AOC the successor to Bernie Sanders?
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Doomscroll 44: Dustin Guastella
My guest is Dustin “Dino” Guastella, the Director of Operations at Teamsters Local 623 in Philadelphia, a monthly columnist at Damage Magazine, and a board member at the Center for Working-Class Politics. We discuss woke ideology, the elite capture of the Democratic party, working class voters...
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NM Content Today | Quo Vadis, Looksmaxxer (2026)
According to Claude, there have been some 5000 substantive pieces since the start of 2026 published on looksmaxxing and its main protagonist, Clavicular. You thought you were safe with New Models, you trusted us to not bring more looksmaxxing content into existence and yet here we are… bringing…
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Doomscroll 43.5: Gianmarco Soresi
We discuss Gianmarco’s slow start and early failures in creative life. What is the value of higher education in the US? We explore the craft and art of performance while learning about his early political influences.
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Doomscroll 43: Gianmarco Soresi
My guest is Gianmarco Soresi, a comedian and host of the Downside Podcast. We discuss comedy’s right-wing pivot and the long arc of entertainment merging with real world politics. In 2026, every big talk show is hosted by a comedian and this format dominates our political discourse. How did this...
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Doomscroll 42.5: Emma Vigeland
We explore the current crisis and recent history of the Democratic party. Emma describes her background and early entry into the world of politics. Doomscroll is confirmed “best produced show” but gets a -3 penalty on all Charisma rolls by the host.
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Doomscroll 42: Emma Vigeland
My guest is Emma Vigeland, a co-host of The Majority Report. We discuss Jefferey Epstein’s sick obsession with “jerky”, nationalist affordability and the shifting media landscape. Later, we explore some of the most difficult topics on the left; popular backlash to activist rhetoric and more. What...
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NM 92 | Scholar Peli Grietzer updates his 2017 “Theory of Vibe” (2026)
We speak often in the New Model sphere about scanning and sensing rather than reading—communication through vibes. Peli Grietzer is a comparative literature PhD (Harvard) who has spent over a decade developing a rigorous theory of what a “vibe" actually is, how the ineffable feelings we...
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Doomscroll 41.5: David Wengrow
We dive deeper into pseudo-archaeology’s racist classifications and implicit myth structures. Later on, we explore the concept of sortition, Greek democracy and the early Aztec parliamentary system.
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Doomscroll 41: David Wengrow
My guest is David Wengrow, an archeologist and professor at University College London. He joins me to discuss his best-selling book “The Dawn of Everything”, co-authored with the late David Graeber, published in 2021. David Wengrow takes us on a powerful journey into the deep history of human...
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Doomscroll 40.5: David Adler
We discuss online media strategies and the political movements taking place in Latin America. The region is shaped by neoliberal trade agreements, a resurgent Pink Tide and an uncanny mix of pro-US right-wing nationalism.
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Doomscroll 40: David Adler
My guest is David Adler, a general coordinator of the Progressive International. Adler was aboard the Global Sumud Flotilla, which sought to bring life-saving humanitarian aid to the shores of Gaza. Forty-two nautical miles from the coast, the flotilla was intercepted by Israeli naval forces....
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NM Greenroom | Calla Henkel & Max Pitegoff on New Theater Hollywood (2026)
Back in Berlin to show their new film work “The End of Theater” at Isabella Bortolozzi Gallery, artists Calla Henkel & Max Pitegoff drop by New Models to chat about that film’s primary set: New Theater Hollywood, the DIY theater they opened on Santa Monica Boulevard after decamping to LA in 2023....
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NM Reads | Gideon Jacobs, “MAGA as Fan Fiction,” LA Review of Books (2026)
Gideon Jacobs returns to NM with his third essay in a trilogy for the LA Review of Books that tracks, in real-time, the American Political machine’s delamination from everyday life through runaway story-drive. In “MAGA as Fan Fiction,” Gideon shows US politics both left and right as having become…
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NM Dispatch | America Diaries Winter 2026 (Lil Internet)
I no longer saw the highway, I felt it, viscerally, overwhelmed by the colossal, conquering thrust of capital. The velocity of the vehicles became tangible, massive aggregations of steel, plastic, glass, rubber, precision electronics, combustion engines and gasoline in violently accelerating...
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Doomscroll 39.5: Ro Khanna
We explore World of Warcraft’s influence on crypto libertarianism, the Habermasian digital public sphere, and US private ownership of social media. Where does democratic legitimacy come from?
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Doomscroll 39: Ro Khanna
My guest is Ro Khanna, a congressional representative from California’s 17th district. We discuss Khanna's political and philosophical vision for American democracy, the crisis of runaway inequality and tech’s fair share in the social contract.
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Doomscroll 38.5: Liz Franzcak
Liz and I discuss the early accelerationist blogosphere that overlapped with certain music scenes of the 2000s - 2010s. We touch on the work of Simon Reynolds, Mark Fisher, Nick Srnicek and an uncertain meth addicted psychopath who spends too much time on Twitter.
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Doomscroll 38: Liz Franzcak
My guest is Liz Franzcak, a co-host of TrueAnon. We discuss conspiracy theory, Lacan’s psychoanalytic insights and the influence of the early blogosphere. Is techno-capitalism a rogue AI retroactively assembling itself from the future? No, this will not be explained later.
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Doomscroll 37.5: Vivek Chibber
Vivek and I get in the weeds about strategy and economy. We discuss how the Marxist theory of declining rates of profit will impact the 21st century struggle for social democracy. Our conversation touches upon voucher systems, nationalization and state-led investment programs. Most importantly…
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Doomscroll 37: Vivek Chibber
My returning guest is Vivek Chibber, a professor of sociology at New York University. He is the author of several books including Confronting Capitalism. What do we mean by the word “socialism” in 2025? Vivek Chibber answers foundational questions for political struggle in the 21st century.
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NM Talkcore | Jay Springett on “Slop Machines of Loving Grace” (2025)
You’ve heard us reference the work of Jay Springett (aka @thejaymo) on nearly every pod this year — so with his new book Slop Machines of Loving Grace near completion, we invited Jay on the show to chat through some of its themes. The book takes 2008 as a breaking point, a moment where the...
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NM Reads | Neo-Orality 2 (Jacqueline Fendt)
For Part 2 of this “Neo-Orality” edition of NM Reads, Lil Internet reads excerpts from Jacqueline Fendt, “Beyond Wicked: Vibocratic Problems in the Post-Truth Era” International Journal of Social Science Studies, Vo. 13, No. 2, (Redfame, Jun 27, 2025) [Copyright: CC BY 4.0] To the best of our...
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Doomscroll 36.5: Felix Biederman
We discuss the legacy of the Gravel Institute, the “Felix Biederman to Marc Andreessen pipeline” and the “Bernie to New Right” culture of Dimes Square (RIP). Later, we explore Felix’s background in internet culture and online politics. I laugh so hard I spit.
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Doomscroll 36: Felix Biederman
My guest is Felix Biederman, a co-host of Chapo Trap House. We discuss Zohran Mamdani’s historic victory in NYC. After the 2024 presidential election, progressive media focused on the rightward swing of young men. However, in 2025, Zohran carried young men (ages 18 - 29) with an overwhelming +40...
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Doomscroll 35.5: Grimes
Grimes and I map the possible future horizons for a politics beyond western-style liberal democracy and explore the deep philosophical impacts of AI. We discuss post-enlightenment thinking, the crisis of digital art, artist compensation and the aesthetic stagnation of creative work today.
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Doomscroll 35: Grimes
My guest is Grimes, an artist and musician. We discuss the profound impacts of social media and AI, her new album and the role of art during periods of political transformation. In the 20th century, artists served as an avant-garde. Movements on both the left and right, such as the Bauhaus or...
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NM Reads | Neo-Orality 1 (Jacqueline Fendt) x
“Neo-orality” has been an important term in the New Models zone this year — but what exactly do we mean by it? With this two-part episode of NM Reads, we bring you two papers by the scholar Jacqueline Fendt, who is Emeritus Professor of Strategy and Entrepreneurship at ESCP Business School in...
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