Chess Not Checkers

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Chess Not Checkers

Welcome to Chess Not Checkers, the podcast that teaches you how to play the long game in both business and life. Hosted by Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien, we dive deep into strategic thinking, exploring how the best minds think several steps ahead. Each episode features guests from a variety of fields — real estate, business, health, wealth, and more — who share their stories and the unique mindset that’s propelled their success. Whether you’re building, growing, or establishing your business, this show offers valuable insights to help you think smarter and act with purpose.

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    REWIND #1 Leigh Veidman, Head Coach of the Spokane Velocity

    Originally Released March 11th, 2025In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Jordan Tampien and Keith Riddle sit down with Leigh Veidman, head coach of Spokane Velocity, to discuss his journey from Liverpool to Spokane and how he built a successful soccer team. Leigh shares how his resilience, self-reflection, and experiences overcoming adversity shaped his leadership style. They explore his coaching philosophy, which focuses on recruiting players based on character as well as skill, and how he’s building a strong, community-driven team. They also discuss Leigh’s vision for Spokane Velocity, from establishing an on-field identity to aiming for championship contention in the years to come.

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    Doyle Wheeler – Reinventing Yourself, Building Brands, and Betting on Spokane

    This one’s a story about starting over… and what you do when everything gets taken away.Keith and Jordan sit down with Doyle Wheeler to talk through his journey from working nearly 20 years in auto collision to losing everything after a serious injury—and how that moment forced him to completely rebuild his life from scratch.What makes this episode so good is how real it gets. Doyle walks through that transition from blue-collar work into the early days of social media, figuring things out before anyone really knew what “digital marketing” even was, and turning that into real businesses. From Kinetic Media to First Avenue Coffee, it all came from just taking shots and staying in motion.They also get into Spokane—what’s changed, what’s working, and what still needs to be figured out downtown. It’s a mix of business, community, and perspective from someone who’s been on both sides of building something from nothing.If you’re in a season where things aren’t going the way you planned, or you’re trying to figure out your next move, this episode hits. It’s about adapting, staying creative, and finding a way forward no matter what.

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    Business Spotlight: Brooke Baker, CEO of Baker Construction

    Originally Released March 4th, 2025In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Jordan Tampien and Keith Riddle sit down with Brooke Baker, CEO of Baker Construction and Development, to discuss her journey from insurance to leading her family’s third-generation construction business. Brooke shares how her passion for development, resilience, and mentorship helped her transition into the male-dominated construction industry. They explore the challenges of building strong teams, adapting to market changes, and balancing personal life with professional growth.Learn more about www.bakerconstruct.com at their website

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    Dr. Ray Sicilia – From Pain to Purpose

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Dr. Ray Sicilia to talk about the real impact of chiropractic care—and the personal story that led him into the profession.Ray shares how his father went from being a hardworking, high-performing provider to being completely sidelined by a devastating back injury. After years of surgeries, pain, and setbacks, it was chiropractic care that helped him get his life back—and ultimately inspired Ray’s career.Keith and Jordan connect it back to business—talking about reputation, trust, and how one bad experience can shape perception for an entire industry.If you’ve ever questioned chiropractic care—or just want to hear a powerful story about purpose and impact—this episode delivers a perspective that’s hard to ignore.  

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    Greg Mahugh - What Auctioneering Teaches About Business and Real Estate

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Greg Mahugh to unpack a side of business most people never think about—auctioneering.Greg shares his journey from Seattle to Spokane in the early 90s, building a business in the auto auction world and learning the art of high-speed dealmaking along the way. What starts as a conversation about auctions quickly turns into a masterclass on negotiation, decision-making, and reading the room.They break down real estate and investing, where the same principles apply. From making fast decisions on deals to understanding market dynamics, Keith and Jordan connect Greg’s auction experience to how deals actually get done in the field.If you’re in business, real estate, or just want to understand how deals really happen, this one is full of practical takeaways you can apply immediately.  

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    Jordan & Keith on What’s Really Going On in Spokane Real Estate Right Now

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien break down what’s actually happening in the Spokane market—from development and housing to the bigger economic forces shaping the city.They dive into Spokane’s unique position as a growing city without a major industry driver, and why sectors like medical, logistics, and manufacturing are playing such a big role right now. The conversation unpacks the reality behind housing—why developers are building apartments instead of homes, what’s slowing down new construction, and how rising costs, regulations, and incentives are impacting the market.Keith and Jordan also get into the tension between affordability and development—why the push for more housing isn’t as simple as it sounds, and how policy decisions can unintentionally make things worse. From rent trends to land values to the challenges of infill development, this episode gives a real, behind-the-scenes look at what it actually takes to build in today’s environment.They also share where they see opportunity—from smaller infill projects to emerging neighborhoods—and why Spokane still has strong long-term potential despite the current challenges.If you’ve ever wondered what’s next for Spokane or how real estate decisions are really made, this episode gives you the unfiltered version from people in the middle of it.  

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    Jordan & Keith on Consistency, Parenting, and Playing the Long Game

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien connect everyday life with business—breaking down how lessons from parenting directly translate to leadership, consistency, and long-term success.Recorded around St. Patrick’s Day, the conversation starts with stories about leprechaun traps, crazy hat days, and showing up for your kids. But quickly, it ties back to a bigger idea: how the way you approach small moments is the same way you approach business.Keith and Jordan dive into what consistency really looks like—doing the work whether you feel like it or not, staying steady through both good and bad situations, and setting the tone for the people around you. They also talk about resilience, learning from failure, and why maintaining perspective is critical when outcomes aren’t guaranteed.This episode blends real-life experiences with a business mindset, showing how discipline, patience, and showing up every day—at home and at work—are what ultimately move the needle.At the end of the day, success isn’t built in big moments—it’s built in the small ones you choose to show up for consistently.

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    Good Deal / Bad Deal with Justin Avey

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien are joined by Justin Avey for a different kind of conversation—breaking down the good deals and the bad deals that shaped their careers.Instead of focusing on a single project or business, the three dive into the real stories behind some of the biggest wins and toughest lessons they’ve experienced in real estate and development. From projects that turned into unexpected successes to deals that dragged on for years with setbacks, contractors, and surprises, nothing is off the table.Keith shares the story of a South Hill project that became a long, stressful journey before finally turning around. Jordan reflects on the ups and downs of redevelopment and large-scale projects, while Justin brings his own perspective from the construction side of the business.Good Deal / Bad Deal is an honest look at what it really takes to stay in the game. Behind every successful investor are the deals that nearly broke them—and the ones that made it all worth it.

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    Justin Avey – From Excavator to Major Developments: Building Avey Construction

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Justin Avey of Avey Construction to unpack his bold leap from retail management to construction entrepreneur. After 12 years at Best Buy, Justin cashed out his life savings, bought an excavator—with no prior experience—and bet on himself.What followed was a crash course in hands-on learning, risk-taking, and relentless growth. From small excavation jobs to large-scale concrete and multi-family developments, Justin shares the realities of scaling a construction business, managing stress, securing capital, and knowing when to say “no” to the wrong opportunities.This conversation dives into entrepreneurship, leadership under pressure, and the mindset required to grow without losing control. If you’re building something—whether it’s a business, a career, or a vision—Justin’s story is a powerful reminder that grit, clarity, and calculated risk can lay the foundation for something big.

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    Zak Allen – Real Estate, Resilience, and Staying True to Yourself

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Zak Allen, a rising star in real estate, to explore his journey from car sales to leading a multi-state team of agents. Zak shares how he overcame early struggles, the lessons he learned from mentorship and personal development, and how authenticity and mindset have shaped his success.From closing his first deals to building a team across Washington, Idaho, and Florida, Zak emphasizes resilience, reflection, and the power of staying true to yourself in business and life. He also dives into personal growth, manifestation, and how small shifts in mindset can unlock big opportunities.Whether you’re in real estate or just looking for inspiration to navigate challenges and grow, this episode is packed with actionable insights and motivating stories to help you play Chess, Not Checkers.

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    Scotland Shouse – Brewing Art, Science, and Community at Brick West Brewing

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Scotland Shouse, head brewer at Brick West Brewing Co., to explore the craft, science, and community behind every pint. Scotland shares his journey from North Carolina to Spokane, revealing how he discovered a love for brewing and the balance between precision and creativity in the process.From the accidental creation of the award-winning Out Cold IPA to the importance of collaboration among local brewers, Scotland dives into what makes Brick West a hub for craft beer enthusiasts. He also reflects on the brewery’s role in fostering community—showing how beer can bring people together and create meaningful connections.Whether you’re a craft beer fanatic or just curious about the stories behind your favorite brews, this episode is a toast to innovation, passion, and the power of a great local brewery.

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    Alicia Newman – Lessons in Hustle, Heart, and Family Life

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Alicia Newman, entrepreneur and owner of Method Juice Cafe in Spokane. Alicia shares her journey of building multiple businesses while raising twins and a teenager, balancing family life with the challenges of entrepreneurship.From taking over Method Juice Cafe to co-owning Slumber, a short-term property management company, and teaching at The Union spin studio, Alicia dives into the lessons she’s learned about resilience, leadership, and partnership. She reflects on navigating personal and professional challenges, the importance of trusting her team, and how gratitude and perspective have shaped her approach to life and business.

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    Danielle Nishiyama – Mastering Your Craft and Leading with Purpose

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Ian sit down with Danielle Nishiyama, owner of Craft Studio in Spokane. With nearly two decades in the beauty industry and over ten years running her own salon, Danielle shares her journey of entrepreneurship, personal growth, and team leadership.From building a hybrid salon model to cultivating a strong team culture, Danielle dives into the lessons she’s learned about clarity, communication, and leading with empathy. She also discusses how personal purpose—like providing for her daughter—has fueled her long-term success and shaped her approach to business.Whether you’re an entrepreneur, team leader, or simply looking to master your craft, Danielle’s insights offer a blueprint for sustained growth, intentional focus, and creating a business that thrives on both skill and heart.

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    Jacob Gallion – Resilience, Reinvention, and Building a Business with Purpose

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Spokane entrepreneur Jacob Gallion to explore his journey of resilience, reinvention, and community impact. From growing up in his family’s flooring business to facing personal and professional setbacks, Jacob shares how he rebuilt his life and launched Spokane Water Heater, a customer-focused plumbing business.Whether you’re an entrepreneur, parent, or simply looking for inspiration, this episode is full of lessons on facing adversity, thinking differently, and building something meaningful.

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    Lessons from 2025 and Goals for 2026 with Jordan & Keith

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien reflect on the lessons learned in 2025 and share their goals and aspirations for 2026. From personal growth to business challenges, they discuss how last year tested their resilience, taught valuable insights about communication, adaptability, and setting realistic goals, and prepared them to tackle the year ahead.Looking forward, Keith and Jordan lay out their intentions for 2026—expanding ventures, prioritizing health, nurturing relationships, and balancing personal and professional growth. They also explore the power of goal setting as a tool to align intention with action and create meaningful progress.Whether you’re aiming to grow your business, improve your mindset, or set actionable goals for the new year, this episode offers inspiration and practical insights to help you step boldly into 2026 with clarity, purpose, and determination.

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    2025 Recap – A Year of Insight, Growth, and Community

    As 2025 comes to a close, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien reflect on an incredible year of conversations on Chess Not Checkers. From inspiring entrepreneurs to community leaders, this episode revisits some of the standout moments, lessons, and stories that shaped our year.This episode is a celebration of growth, community, and the meaningful connections that make Chess Not Checkers more than just a podcast—it’s a platform for insight and inspiration. Join us as we look back on 2025 and set our sights on another year of engaging conversations and impactful stories.

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    Business Spotlight: Reed Moore of RMG Real Estate

    Originally Released April 22nd, 2025In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Reed Moore, a successful entrepreneur and real estate expert. Reed shares his journey from military service to building a thriving real estate empire with RMG Real Estate. He discusses the importance of personal development, resilience, and learning from failure, highlighting how these lessons shaped his entrepreneurial path.Reed also talks about the challenges of scaling a business, managing a growing team, and creating a culture that prioritizes both skill development and strong relationships. He touches on key topics like mentorship, the value of building a mission-driven company, and the mindset needed to succeed in both real estate and entrepreneurship.Reed’s story is a powerful reminder that success is built on hard work, perseverance, and a commitment to learning. Whether you’re starting your own business or growing an established venture, Reed’s insights offer valuable lessons for anyone looking to navigate the complexities of entrepreneurship and real estate.

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    Rob Henry – Growth, Resilience, and Lessons from Life’s Journey

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien chat with Rob Henry about personal growth, parenting, resilience, and life-changing experiences—including his journey with ayahuasca. Rob shares stories from raising his daughters, facing challenges, and finding clarity through vulnerability.They discuss aligning expectations with reality, giving back, and building resilience in life and business. Packed with practical insights, this episode is full of lessons to help you grow, embrace challenges, and unlock your potential.

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    Business Spotlight: Joel Barbour of The Great PNW

    Originally Released February 11th, 2025In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Jordan Tampien and Keith Riddle sit down with Joel Barbour, co-founder of The Great PNW, to discuss his journey from graphic designer to multi-business entrepreneur. Joel shares how his creative passion, strategic thinking, and adaptability helped him build successful ventures across different industries, from branding to real estate. They explore the challenges of balancing multiple businesses, the importance of staying true to your values, and how to find harmony between professional success and personal life.Learn more about thegreatpnw.com at their website

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    Chad “Hooty” Huetter – Bull Riding, Craftsmanship, and Building a Life with Gratitude

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Chad “Hooty” Huetter to talk bull riding, craftsmanship, and navigating the housing world. Chad shares stories from the rodeo that taught him grit and resilience, dives into the philosophy behind his woodworking and construction projects, and explores the challenges of homeownership and the housing market.The conversation also touches on gratitude—how appreciating relationships, opportunities, and even challenges can shape perspective and fuel growth. Chad’s journey is a reminder that whether you’re building homes, careers, or life experiences, resilience, intention, and thankfulness go a long way.

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    Mayor Lisa Brown – From Vision to Action: Revitalizing Spokane Together

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Spokane Mayor Lisa Brown to discuss her journey from rural Illinois to leading the city. They dive into her vision for Spokane, tackling challenges like homelessness, housing, and community safety, while also exploring opportunities for economic growth and cultural development.Mayor Brown shares initiatives like daytime navigation centers and street outreach teams, and emphasizes the importance of community involvement in shaping Spokane’s future. She also highlights the city’s creative economy, small business support, and downtown revitalization efforts.Tune in to hear how Mayor Brown and the hosts discuss building a connected, vibrant, and inclusive Spokane—proving that thoughtful leadership and collaboration are key to playing “Chess, Not Checkers.”

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    Brandon Michielli – Scaling Success with Resilience and Strategy

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Spokane native Brandon Michielli to explore his journey through entrepreneurship, business strategy, and scaling a family company. Brandon shares how he navigated challenges with his family’s trucking and landscaping business, Circle M, overcame regulatory hurdles, and implemented the Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS) to streamline operations and drive growth.The conversation also touches on the importance of community, personal growth, and creating a lasting legacy. Brandon’s story is a mix of resilience, strategic thinking, and the drive to compete while making a meaningful impact in the Northwest. Tune in for practical insights, candid stories, and lessons on how perseverance and smart systems can propel both businesses and personal goals forward.Learn more about Circle M at https://circlemlandscape.com/

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    “Stacking Bricks” with Jordan Tampien

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien dive into the entrepreneurial journey, reflecting on the challenges, setbacks, and lessons that come with building businesses. Jordan shares insights from his new book, Stacking Bricks, detailing how he navigated financial hurdles, scaled ventures, and developed the resilience needed to keep moving forward.Keith and Jordan touch on the value of mentorship, learning from failure, and creating a legacy for future generations. Jordan’s approach of “stacking one brick at a time” offers practical guidance for entrepreneurs facing tough decisions and unexpected obstacles. Keith and Jordan also discuss how past experiences, like his first book Living at Zero, shaped his mindset for tackling financial and business challenges today.

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    Emilie Cameron – Revitalizing Downtown Spokane ThEmilie Cameron – Revitalizing Downtown Spokane Through Community and Visionrough Community and Vision

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Emilie Cameron, President and CEO of the Downtown Spokane Partnership, to discuss the ongoing efforts to keep Spokane’s downtown vibrant and thriving. Emilie shares how the DSP leverages the Business Improvement District, community engagement, and strategic initiatives to enhance public safety, cleanliness, and economic vitality in the heart of the city.The conversation explores the impact downtown has on the wider Spokane community, the importance of inclusive events, and the policies shaping the city’s growth. Emilie also reflects on her personal journey and passion for civic engagement, offering insight into how community collaboration can transform neighborhoods.Tune in to learn how Spokane’s downtown is evolving into a hub for culture, business, and connection—and how residents can play a role in its continued success. For more information on upcoming events and ways to get involved, visit downtownspokane.org.

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    Sheldon Jackson – Collaborative Solutions for Spokane’s Future

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Spokane local Sheldon Jackson to discuss the city’s pressing challenges around homelessness and urban development. Sheldon shares his perspective on how Spokane can balance economic growth with social responsibility, including insights into the push for a Treatment First approach to homelessness.They dive into the current state of downtown, the need for community accountability, and initiatives like the Memorandum of Understanding aimed at engaging local leaders and securing federal support. The conversation highlights the role of collaboration, innovative solutions, and long-term vision in shaping a Spokane that’s safer, more equitable, and poised for growth.

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    Chris Batten – Revitalizing Spokane and Shaping Downtown Development

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Chris Batten, a Spokane native and key figure in the city’s downtown revitalization. Chris shares his journey from serving in the Navy to navigating the complexities of urban development, including managing properties, understanding legislation, and tackling the unique challenges of Spokane’s downtown.The conversation explores how policy, creativity, and persistence intersect in real estate development, as Chris discusses past projects and his vision for the future growth of the city. Tune in to hear his insights on building vibrant communities, overcoming obstacles, and shaping the Spokane skyline.

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    Rob Brewster – Spokane’s Development Landscape

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Rob Brewster, a seasoned developer known for revitalizing historic buildings in Spokane. Rob shares his journey through urban development, discussing the challenges of outdated zoning laws, navigating city approvals, and the balance between economic growth and community needs.The conversation also explores Spokane’s infrastructure, the future of housing affordability, and the opportunities for smarter, forward-thinking development. Rob offers candid insights into the obstacles and possibilities of shaping Spokane’s urban landscape, highlighting both the city’s potential and the work still needed to unlock it.

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    Michael Cathcart – Balancing Growth, Housing, and Public Safety in Spokane

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Spokane City Council Member Michael Cathcart to discuss local governance, development, and community engagement. Michael shares his journey into politics, insights on balancing urban growth with preserving Spokane’s character, and strategies for addressing affordable housing, homelessness, and public safety.

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    Q&A #6 – Navigating Life’s Challenges and Embracing Fulfillment

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien have a candid conversation about navigating life’s challenges and finding fulfillment. They discuss how adapting to change, embracing setbacks, and redefining success can help both entrepreneurs and everyday people thrive. Through personal stories and reflections, they highlight the importance of perseverance, meaningful relationships, and pursuing purpose in the face of uncertainty.

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    Kristen Ward – From Music to Mastering Catering with The Ivory Table

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Kristen Ward, the creative force behind Spokane’s The Ivory Table Catering. Kristen shares her journey from aspiring musician and singer to running one of the city’s premier catering companies.She talks about how her early experiences in music and travel shaped her creativity, how a move to Spokane led her to discover a passion for food, and how an unexpected opportunity at a café sparked the birth of The Ivory Table. From there, she pivoted into high-end catering for weddings and corporate events, building a team that thrives on resilience, learning, and shared ambition.Kristen also reflects on the lessons learned along the way, her approach to leadership and hiring, and her vision for the future of The Ivory Table, which may include expanding into lifestyle and design ventures.To learn more about Ivory Table, check out ivorytable.com.

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    Blue Stiley – Navigating Life with Confidence and Resilience

    On this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Blue Stiley, Spokane native, international model, motivational speaker, and black belt in karate, to talk about navigating life’s challenges with confidence, resilience, and perspective.Blue shares how mentorship, self-reflection, and building a “confidence team” have helped him turn rejection and failure into opportunities for growth. From lessons learned in martial arts to life experiences in business and personal development, he dives into practical strategies for overcoming obstacles and staying motivated.The conversation also explores the importance of authentic connections, creating lasting impact, and living intentionally. Whether it’s through mentoring, parenting, or leading with integrity, Blue shows how small, thoughtful actions can ripple into meaningful change.Learn more about Blue at bluestiley.com

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    Brynn MacLennan – Making Flossing Easy and Building a Business That Lasts

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Brynn MacLennan, CEO and co-founder of Slate, to talk about her journey building an electric flosser that makes oral care simple, effective, and dentist-approved.Brynn shares the story of how Slate started, from early ideation in 2019 to launching the product in 2022, and the challenges of scaling a consumer product business. She dives into lessons learned about innovation, leadership, team culture, and navigating unexpected hurdles like COVID-19.This conversation isn’t just about floss—it’s about creating products people actually use, leading with purpose, and turning ideas into businesses that last. Whether you’re an aspiring entrepreneur or just someone who hates flossing, Brynn’s insights are practical, inspiring, and surprisingly fun.

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    Rick Welliver – Empowering Spokane’s Youth Through Boxing and Community

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Spokane native and professional boxer Rick Welliver to talk about the power of boxing, community, and giving back. Rick shares his journey from 17 pro fights to opening his own gym, and how he’s using the sport to mentor Spokane’s youth and bring people together.From reviving Spokane’s boxing scene to creating a space where young people can build confidence, discipline, and resilience, Rick shows that boxing is about much more than what happens in the ring. He also discusses the upcoming Brick West Boxing event on September 6th—a day to celebrate local talent, community, and positive change.00:00 Intro00:44 Rick's Early Life and Boxing Career02:09 Reviving Spokane's Boxing Scene03:29 Family Legacy in Boxing06:51 Economic Impact of Boxing in Spokane09:29 Boxing as a Character Builder12:50 Challenges and Outreach Programs18:53 Community Events and Future Plans20:59 Spokane's Growth and Challenges35:30 The Importance of Helping Others38:51 Community Inclusion and Challenges39:37 The Inclusive Nature of Boxing Gyms40:24 Economic and Social Issues in Spokane41:28 Proposed Solutions for Spokane's Problems45:31 The Importance of Community Involvement54:33 Revitalizing Spokane's Neighborhoods58:54 Reflections on Policy and Development01:11:01 Upcoming Boxing Event Details01:12:16 Closing Time

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    Brennon Poynor – Making Podcasting Accessible: The Story of Spokast!

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith and Jordan sit down with Brennon Poynor, owner of Spokast!, to talk all things podcasting. Brennon shares how he started Spokast! during the podcasting boom of COVID, helping people launch their own shows with ease.They dive into the challenges of producing a podcast—from booking guests to managing tech—while keeping the focus on great conversations. Brennon also talks about why some podcasts thrive while others fizzle, and how Spokast! helps creators stay consistent and grow.Whether you’re curious about starting your own show or just want a behind-the-scenes look at the world of podcasting, this episode is packed with insights, stories, and tips for navigating the ever-evolving digital landscape.Episode Chapters:00:00 – Welcome & Intro to Brennon00:49 – How Brennon Got into Podcasting01:18 – How Podcasts Have Evolved02:25 – Podcasting: Challenges & Opportunities03:56 – Why Consistency Matters15:10 – Brennon’s Personal Motivation16:27 – The Power of Conversations24:49 – Moving into Video Podcasts30:40 – What’s Next for Podcasting33:05 – Gonzaga Basketball Podcast Highlights33:28 – The Spokane Podcast Scene34:48 – Common Podcasting Struggles35:58 – The Therapeutic Side of Podcasts38:55 – The Future of SP Cast41:37 – AI’s Role in Podcasting48:47 – Staying Human in a Digital World59:45 – Tips for Starting Your Own PodcastLearn more at www.spokast.com

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    Luc Jasmin – Building Community and Bridging Policy in Spokane

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Luc Jasmin to talk community, policy, and the challenges shaping Spokane today. Luc shares his journey from Boston to becoming a first-generation Haitian American leader in the Pacific Northwest, and how he got into politics through early childhood education advocacy.They dive into the realities of housing, workforce, and regional development, and how creative, collaborative solutions can make a real difference. Luc also shares how government can better meet community needs and the power of building consensus to drive change.If you care about Spokane, policy, or just want to hear a thoughtful conversation about improving communities, this episode is for you.

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    Steve Jones – From Car Sales to Real Estate Success: The Power of Persistence

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien chat with Steve Jones, a seasoned real estate pro from Spokane. Steve shares his journey, from his early days in the car business to flipping houses and managing multifamily projects. He talks about the real-world challenges of real estate—unexpected delays, rising costs, and the importance of persistence. Steve also breaks down the difference between speculation and true investment, offering insights into Spokane’s up-and-coming neighborhoods and what it takes to succeed in the business.If you’re looking to get into real estate or just want a peek behind the curtain of a real estate veteran’s journey, this episode’s for you. Tune in to hear Steve’s lessons on persistence, investment strategies, and making the most of opportunities in Spokane!

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    Q&A #5 – Overcoming Adversity with Resilience

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien share a candid conversation about the real-world challenges every entrepreneur faces. They explore Jordan’s personal journey, from dealing with a ruptured Achilles injury to facing the aftermath of some tough headlines about his business dealings. Through these struggles, their conversation uncovers how resilience and perseverance play a pivotal role in moving forward.

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    Mindset Over Methods – A Solo Episode with Keith Riddle

    In this solo episode of Chest Not Checkers, Keith Riddle takes over the mic to talk about the importance of mindset and how it drives success in both life and business. He shares why asking the right questions—like “why” instead of “how”—can make all the difference. Keith dives into how fear can hold us back from taking action and offers three steps to start making positive changes in your life.If you’ve been looking for some inspiration to shift your mindset and take that next step, this episode is for you. Tune in to hear how to navigate fear, identify areas for improvement, and focus on what truly matters.

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    Shawn Lloyd – From Struggles to Success: The Power of Authentic Connections

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien chat with Shawn Lloyd, the founder of rConnect, about building real, meaningful connections in business and life. Shawn shares his journey, from growing up in Spokane to creating a platform where people can come together to learn, grow, and support each other.He talks about how his early challenges, including being labeled a “special education” student, helped shape his mindset and drive. Shawn also explains how his organization focuses on fostering community, mentorship, and relationships—helping individuals and businesses grow together.His story is all about overcoming obstacles, embracing growth, and the power of authentic connections. Tune in to hear how rConnect is changing the way people network and grow!For more information about rConnect, visit https://joinrconnect.com. To learn more about Shawn, visit his website at https://shawnrlloyd.com.

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    Evan Moore – Making College Choices Easier with Real Frequency

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien chat with Evan Moore, founder of Real Frequency, about how college consulting helps students find the right fit for their higher education journey. Evan shares his personal path to consulting, how his experiences shaped Real Frequency, and why it’s all about matching students with schools that fit them socially, culturally, and academically.He dives into how his team helps families understand the full cost of college—tuition, scholarships, financial aid—and how important it is for students to find a school where they’ll thrive, both in the classroom and beyond. Evan also talks about how a good support system, like the one he had, can make a huge difference for students during the college search.If you’re trying to figure out the college process or need help with your next steps, this episode has a ton of great tips. For more information, visit Real Frequency.

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    Jim Orcutt – From Construction to Real Estate: Lessons in Growth and Resilience

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien chat with Jim Orcutt, a local real estate pro, about his journey from Spokane to becoming a successful investor and entrepreneur. Jim talks about how his start in construction and finance led him to real estate, and how a mentor in Seattle helped shape his approach to property investing.Jim shares his experience buying small multifamily properties in Spokane and how he learned that owning real estate, rather than just brokering deals, was the key to success. He also talks about the challenges of investing, like financing issues, renovation surprises, and market ups and downs—and how resilience and planning are key.If you’re looking to get into real estate, Jim’s advice on starting with clear goals, seeking mentorship, and being patient is spot-on. Tune in to hear Jim’s story and get some valuable tips on building a successful real estate career.

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    Clarisa Morris aka “Bicep Babe” – Overcoming Obstacles: The Path to Becoming an American Ninja Warrior

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Clarisa Morris, aka “Bicep Babe”, a four-time competitor on American Ninja Warrior. Clarisa shares her unexpected journey into the world of ninja competitions, from growing up as a gymnast to rediscovering her love for fitness after college and motherhood. She opens up about how her first experience on the show didn’t go as planned, but how it taught her the importance of shifting her mindset from self-doubt to confidence.Clarisa talks about how she balances weightlifting, ninja training, and her family life, and how she’s stayed motivated despite setbacks and injuries. She also touches on the role her family plays in supporting her, especially her husband, who helps keep her mindset strong. Along the way, Clarisa’s authenticity has helped her build a real connection with her followers online, staying true to herself in an industry that often focuses on image.Her story is a reminder that success isn’t just about winning; it’s about the persistence, mindset, and resilience you bring to the journey. Don’t miss Clarisa’s appearance on American Ninja Warrior on June 30th! Check your local listings for time and station.Follow her on Instagram: @bicepbabe_ninja

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    Bill Kalivas – The Power of Mentorship and Community in Building Spokane’s Innovation Scene

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien chat with Bill Kalivas, the man behind Launchpad INW. Bill shares his journey from spotting Spokane’s untapped tech potential to building Launchpad into a key resource for local entrepreneurs.Bill discusses his early days, the co-founding of Launchpad, and how a small event evolved into a thriving community of innovators. He’s open about the struggles—financial hurdles, personal setbacks, and the mistakes he made along the way. But those challenges helped him grow and understand the importance of mentorship, having a solid advisory board, and staying humble.After taking a step back, Bill came back to relaunch Launchpad as a nonprofit, offering programs like the Springboard program and Innovator Connect events to support local entrepreneurs. His story is all about resilience, community, and the power of mentorship.Tune in to hear Bill’s take on building something meaningful, learning from failure, and what’s next for Spokane’s startup scene. If you’re looking to get involved, check out Launchpad INW at launchpadinw.com

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    Juli Norris – A Culinary Journey of Passion, Perseverance, and Success

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien chat with Juli Norris, a Spokane-based restaurateur, consultant, and chef. Juli shares her journey from growing up on a ranch in North Spokane to becoming a successful entrepreneur in the food industry.Juli’s passion for food was sparked by a trip to Nashville, where she discovered the world of gourmet dining. From there, she dove into culinary education while balancing life as a busy mom. In 2006, she launched Simply Gourmet, a catering company, and later expanded with Casa Restaurant and Tap House and the upscale Loren.Juli’s story is all about persistence, creativity, and building something special. Her love for food and community shines through in everything she does, and she’s not stopping anytime soon.

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    Bobby Brett – Shaping Spokane’s Sports and Real Estate Landscape

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Bobby Brett, a man whose journey spans the worlds of sports and real estate. Bobby shares his story, from growing up in a sports-driven family to his transition into a real estate mogul and sports team owner in Spokane, Washington.Bobby’s passion for baseball runs deep, and after his playing days ended, he turned his attention to real estate, building a successful career that helped shape Spokane’s landscape. In 1985, Bobby took a bold leap by purchasing a minor league baseball team in Spokane, which led to the success of the Spokane Indians. He didn’t stop there—expanding his sports influence, Bobby later acquired the Spokane Chiefs hockey team, cementing his place in Spokane’s sports culture.Alongside his sports ventures, Bobby’s real estate expertise helped him create a lasting impact on the city. His strategy of buying and holding valuable properties has made him a key figure in Spokane’s growth.00:00 Introduction 00:35 Bobby Brett's Early Life and Family Background01:34 Journey to Spokane and Minor League Baseball03:21 First Impressions of Spokane04:21 Buying the Spokane Indians10:38 Transition to Real Estate14:45 Early Real Estate Ventures22:12 Real Estate Strategies and Lessons33:11 A Coach's Journey to Real Estate33:53 Comparing Real Estate Markets: Spokane vs. California35:01 Investing in Spokane's Historic Buildings36:31 Challenges and Opportunities in Downtown Spokane37:28 The Impact of Politics on Real Estate40:06 The Value of Long-Term Real Estate Investment46:35 Advice for Aspiring Real Estate Investors50:18 Reflecting on Real Estate Market Trends01:02:07 The Unique Appeal of Spokane's Sports Teams01:03:03 Parting Words

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    Q&A #4 – Embracing AI: Navigating Change and Finding Balance in a Fast-Paced World

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien dive into the world of AI and how it’s changing the way we live and work. They talk about balancing the excitement of new technology with the need to stay grounded and human-centered.They touch on the shift in consumer expectations, especially in real estate, and how tools like Fyxer are helping streamline tasks to free up time for more important work. The conversation explores how AI can help with productivity, but Keith and Jordan agree that it can’t replace the creativity, empathy, and emotional intelligence that humans bring to the table.They also talk about the ethical side of AI, asking whether it’s making life too easy or if it’s actually helping us grow. The episode wraps up with a reminder to use AI wisely—letting it assist us without losing sight of what makes us human.Tune in for a fun and insightful chat about how AI is shaping our world and how we can navigate it with balance. Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and share if you enjoyed the episode!

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    Tom Simpson – Building Spokane’s Startup Ecosystem and Culture

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Tom Simpson, a key figure in Spokane’s entrepreneurial community, to discuss his journey and insights into the local startup ecosystem. Tom, a Spokane native, shares his experiences—from his educational path at the University of Washington and Wharton to his return to Spokane in 1995, where he became a driving force in local entrepreneurship.As CEO of Ignite Northwest, President of the Spokane Angel Alliance, and Managing Member of the Kickstart CCF Fund, Tom has dedicated his career to fostering startup growth and investing in emerging companies with explosive potential. In this episode, he emphasizes the importance of looking beyond local markets and scaling companies to national and global opportunities, setting a benchmark for success with revenues reaching $100 million within five to seven years.Tom also reflects on how Spokane’s entrepreneurial ecosystem has evolved since the 1990s, highlighting the increased support for startups and the growing recognition the city now has in the venture capital world. He discusses the challenges that young entrepreneurs face—particularly in building a strong company culture and leadership—and shares valuable advice for those looking to start their own ventures, especially recent graduates and individuals in the early stages of their careers.As Tom envisions the future of Spokane, he draws parallels to cities like Seattle, which saw massive growth thanks to tech giants. He believes Spokane is on the cusp of its own “lightning strike” moment, where the city’s infrastructure and committed individuals like Tom will help it thrive as an entrepreneurial hub.Tune in to hear Tom Simpson’s inspiring journey and his vision for Spokane’s future. His story provides valuable lessons for anyone interested in the power of entrepreneurship, fostering growth, and making a lasting impact in their community.

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    Jason Boudreau – From Turkey Dogs to Triumph

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with entrepreneur Jason Boudreau to discuss his incredible journey from personal hardship to building a successful business empire. Jason shares how he went from struggling on a friend’s couch to running Drive 509, a trucking school, and developing a software solution that has transformed the CDL (Commercial Driver’s License) training industry.Jason offers insight into his entrepreneurial journey, emphasizing the importance of resilience, adaptability, and a willingness to learn from failure. He discusses the challenges he faced in starting his trucking school with limited resources, and how his innovative spirit led him to create CDL Power Suite and ELDT.com—tools that are now helping thousands of students and schools nationwide.The conversation also delves into Jason’s vision for personal and professional growth, focusing on the importance of building people—not just businesses. He talks about fostering a culture of learning, mentorship, and self-improvement, and how these values have driven both his personal success and the growth of his business.

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    Jonathan Bingle – Building a Better Spokane Through Collaboration and Leadership

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Spokane City Council Member Jonathan Bingle to discuss his role in local governance and his vision for the future of Spokane. Jonathan opens up about the challenges and opportunities he faces while working to improve the city, including issues like homelessness, housing, and public safety.Jonathan provides a glimpse into the day-to-day life of a city council member, balancing family responsibilities with the demands of managing a $1.2 billion budget and serving on 11 boards and commissions. He shares his insights on the complexities of addressing homelessness, the need for collaboration across political lines, and the importance of community engagement in shaping policies that affect everyday life.The conversation also delves into Jonathan’s efforts to improve Spokane’s infrastructure, attract investment, and enhance the quality of life for residents. He emphasizes the importance of collaboration and citizen participation in local governance, of

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    Q&A #3 – Economic Uncertainty, Personal Growth, and Resilience

    In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, hosts Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien dive into the dual realities of economic uncertainties and personal growth. They explore the complexities of today’s market—discussing tariffs, interest rates, and recession fears—while weaving in life lessons that resonate far beyond financial markets. The conversation delves into the concept of stagflation, a state of high inflation, high unemployment, and stagnating productivity, drawing a parallel to life’s unpredictable challenges. Keith and Jordan encourage listeners to reframe these obstacles as opportunities for personal growth, stressing the importance of perseverance and adaptability. Jordan shares personal anecdotes from his experiences in development and real estate, highlighting the rewards that often come after periods of struggle.

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ABOUT THIS SHOW

Welcome to Chess Not Checkers, the podcast that teaches you how to play the long game in both business and life. Hosted by Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien, we dive deep into strategic thinking, exploring how the best minds think several steps ahead. Each episode features guests from a variety of fields — real estate, business, health, wealth, and more — who share their stories and the unique mindset that’s propelled their success. Whether you’re building, growing, or establishing your business, this show offers valuable insights to help you think smarter and act with purpose.

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