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CLOSER
by Nicole & Ryan Thomas Neace
By their very definition, psychotherapists are opaque. Their work is done in relative isolation, its contents are confidential, and their personal lives tend to be relatively unknown except to a select few, and even they may still experience a discreet distance. Are they really who they say they are? What do they talk about behind closed doors? Is therapy a way of life for them or a role they play? Are the things they do and say in therapy good for the geese as well as the gander? Career psychotherapists Nicole and Ryan Thomas Neace reveal the contents of their own dialogue and relationship as an exercise in radical authenticity, presenting a foil to the shroud that often surrounds people who do relationships for a living. CLOSER brings listeners just that – close enough to catch a poignant and unapologetically intimate glance into not just what they do, but who they are.
Episodes
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Episode 15: Plants are People Too, with Julian Devoe
Ryan and Nicole talk with bio-yogi, author, movement leader, healer, and plant medicine shaman/guide, Julian Devoe, whom they first met during a plant medicine journey involving Huachuma (the San Pedro cactus) in 2024. They discuss everything from plant medicine journeys, the challenges of...
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Episode 14: Welcome back, Kotter
Ryan and Nicole explain their brief hiatus, reflect on what's transpired since they were out, and examine the ways the relational thread which comprises the focus of the CLOSER podcast will be explored in Season 2, specifically with the inclusion of guests on the show to include therapists,...
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Episode 13: We Did Not Have a Fight Between Episodes 12 & 13 (aka, Process Talk)
In the previous episode, Ryan & Nicole unexpectedly bumped into some old wounds and found themselves caught up in old dynamics in real-time, trying to process old and new feelings and to care for themselves and each other while touching feelings of struggle, disconnection, and loss. As a result,...
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Episode 12: Making Friends in Adulthood
Ryan and Nicole reflect on recent and historical efforts making friendships in adulthood, recounting the ways that the endeavor is inevitably impacted by who we are and where we are developmentally. In doing so, they unexpectedly bump into some old wounds. Listen in real-time as they try to care...
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Episode 11: Letter to the Lady of the House
In this touching and guaranteed tear-jerker of an episode, Ryan reads from a short story that he and Nicole have found to be a mainstay of connection, purpose, and reflection across their marriage. The story is told from the vantage point of a 70-year old man who is writing to his wife in the...
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Episode 10: When 1 + 1 = Purple
Happy New Year! While most people seem to be busy making plans for the new year or reacting to others who are making plans for the new year, Ryan & Nicole turn their attention to the certain inevitability that plans or no, life sometimes hands us small and large disruptions. Among the larger…
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Episode 9: Origins Part 2
Ryan & Nicole conclude the story of how they met all the way through their enagement and marriage, and then pivot to the larger discussion of the relational threads that emerged, drawing conclusions about intimacy and longevity, and how the former evolves over the course of the latter. In...
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Episode 8: Origins Part 1
Ryan & Nicole begin the story of how they met, with the details going all the way back to 2007 and eHarmony, the mothership and original progenitor of what has since morphed into the world of apps for dating. Realizing that they hadn't told the story in a good long while and having not talked…
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Episode 7: Calm, Fascinating, Balance, Alignment
Fresh off the heels of Thanksgiving 2024, Ryan & Nicole invite their children, ages 12 and 15, to join them in a several times yearly family ritual to connect, reflect, and share their hearts around themes of gratitude and change. Discussed: gratitude, change, growth, family, calm, fascination,...
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Episode 6: Bad Blood
In popular culture which now includes so much psychological lore, conflict and fighting in relationships are often stigmatized as something to be avoided. In this heartfelt episode, Ryan & Nicole consider the ways in which fighting is itself a kind of intimacy, and a necessary one, in that when…
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Episode 5 (Mini-Bonus): For Julie & Tyler
In this special mini-bonus episode (under 10 minutes), Nicole recalls a wedding to visit Julie & Tyler, a couple very close to their hearts. Julie & Tyler asked Ryan to riff on love and marriage and life during the ceremony, and Ryan presents those poignant remarks here for the first time…
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Episode 4: OMG That's Not It
Post-US-election season and approaching the New Year and NY resolutions, there is natural upward trend in people looking for therapy. Depending on who you ask, which directions your algorithms follow, and what the latest TikTok and IG trends are, potential clients have all kinds of ways of...
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Episode 3: We Had a Fight in Between Episodes 2 and 3 (aka, Process Talk)
In therapy, process talk occurs when the therapist and client stop conversational back and forth, and move into a posture of evaluation -- specifically, they might examine what's happening in that back and forth between them. They notice how things are feeling, what emotions are coming up and…
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Episode 2: Makes Me Feel
"You make me feel so angry!!!!" Ever heard someone say something like this, or one of its ten thousand permutations? Movies, friends, relationship partnerships, colleagues -- most of us seem pretty intent on using this turn of phrase with impunity, thinking that we're justified in saying it…
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Episode 1: CLOSER?
Ryan and Nicole talk about why their new podcast is called CLOSER, including the notion persons who help others for a living are perhaps naturally more opaque, so the podcast allows them to present a different layer of themselves and their shared life and relationship. Discussed: doing...
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
By their very definition, psychotherapists are opaque. Their work is done in relative isolation, its contents are confidential, and their personal lives tend to be relatively unknown except to a select few, and even they may still experience a discreet distance.
Are they really who they say they are?
What do they talk about behind closed doors?
Is therapy a way of life for them or a role they play?
Are the things they do and say in therapy good for the geese as well as the gander?
Career psychotherapists Nicole and Ryan Thomas Neace reveal the contents of their own dialogue and relationship as an exercise in radical authenticity, presenting a foil to the shroud that often surrounds people who do relationships for a living. CLOSER brings listeners just that – close enough to catch a poignant and unapologetically intimate glance into not just what they do, but who they are.
HOSTED BY
Nicole & Ryan Thomas Neace
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By their very definition, psychotherapists are opaque. Their work is done in relative isolation, its contents are confidential, and their personal lives tend to be relatively unknown except to a select few, and even they may still experience a discreet distance. Are they really who they say they...
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CLOSER is created and hosted by Nicole & Ryan Thomas Neace.
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