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Contact Center Show
by Amas Tenumah & Bob Furniss
This is the public square for all things contact center. This is where the world's best Call & Contact center professionals come to get better at delivering a great experience for customers. Your contact center mentors - Amas Tenumah & Bob Furniss
Episodes
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Bots vs Humans vs Bots
summary In this episode, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss explore the rapidly evolving world of AI, chatbots, and their implications for contact centers. They discuss real-world experiments with AI agents, the future of customer service, and how businesses can prepare for a world where bots may…
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It’s Time to Kill Customer Service Email
Email was supposed to make customer service cheaper. It didn’t. It was supposed to make it more efficient. It didn’t. Instead, we built a channel where customers write essays explaining their problems, wait hours or days for a response, answer a follow-up question, wait again, and somehow call…
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The AI Math Isn’t Mathing
This episode cuts through the gap between what executives are saying about AI and what is actually happening inside contact centers. Companies are reporting major efficiency gains, yet contact volume and contact-center employment haven’t collapsed. Amas and Bob unpack the contradiction: pent-up...
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AI Didn’t Replace the Contact Center. Now Comes the Hard Part.
AI was supposed to replace contact center workers. Instead, there are more people working in contact centers today than there were at the beginning of the year. That does not mean AI failed. In many areas, it has exceeded expectations. In this season finale, Amas and Bob examine what they got...
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Paying up for customer service
In this episode, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss explore the evolving landscape of customer service, tiered service models, and the role of technology in delivering personalized experiences. They discuss how companies can strategically implement paid and differentiated service levels to enhance...
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The Survey Is Dead. Now What?
Customer surveys were once the backbone of quality programs. Today, response rates are collapsing, customers are ignoring them, and contact centers are left wondering how to measure performance without reliable feedback. Fresh from Customer Contact Week in Las Vegas, Amas shares a conversation…
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Why Contact Center Training Is Still Broken in 2026
The more important question might be: why are we still struggling with the same training problems we've had for twenty years? In this episode, we tackle a challenge facing nearly every contact center: new hire training that produces high attrition, slow ramp times, and inconsistent performance.…
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AI Is Replacing Tasks. The Real Question Is What Happens to Relationships?
Bob just returned from Italy with a story that should make every customer service leader pay attention. At train stations in Venice and Florence, there were no employees to help. Just kiosks. If you wanted a ticket, you figured it out yourself. If you had a question, there was nobody to ask. It...
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What happens when service is Agentic—Nobody Is Ready
AI hype is colliding with operational reality. A shoe company gains $127M in value by saying “AI,” while contact center leaders are told their entire model is obsolete. The shift from CCaaS to “Customer Experience Automation” reframes everything: not just support, but marketing, sales, and…
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AI and the End of Agents?
Exploring the future of AI in customer service, the role of agents, and how technology is transforming contact centers. AI in customer service The role of human agents vs. bots Generative AI and workflow orchestration Implications for contact center staffing Future trends in AI and automation…
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How AI Is Transforming Quality Assurance in Contact Centers
This episode explores the transformative impact of AI on quality assurance (QA) in contact centers. Hosts Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss how AI is revolutionizing call monitoring, evaluation, and coaching, emphasizing practical steps for leaders to leverage this technology effectively.…
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Realities of Omnichannel: Lessons from Industry Veterans
Exploring the evolution and challenges of Omnichannel strategies in customer service, from early concepts to current practices. Insights from industry veterans Bob Furniss and Amas Tenumah on what works, what doesn't, and how to focus on the most impactful channels. key topics Origins of...
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Mastering Contact Center Supervision: Strategies for Success
key topics summary In this episode, Bob Furniss and Amas Tenumah explore the roles and goals of supervisors in contact centers, emphasizing coaching, relationship-building, and strategic management. They share practical tips for setting goals, managing time, and developing future leaders. Goals…
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Rethinking Contact Center KPIs
summary This episode features a deep dive into contact center KPIs, exploring their flaws and how to measure customer experience effectively. Hosts Amas Tenumah and Bob Furness challenge industry norms and share practical insights for improving contact center performance. key topics Flaws in…
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Forced rankings and performance management
Summary In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss the complexities of performance management, particularly focusing on forced distribution and its implications on employee evaluation and coaching. They explore alternative approaches to performance evaluation that prioritize...
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The YMCA Method: A Novel Way to Coach Employees
In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss the intricacies of performance reviews, emphasizing the importance of coaching and effective feedback. They introduce the YMCA methodology as a framework for coaching conversations, highlighting the need for ongoing dialogue and employee...
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Embracing AI in Quality Assurance: A Double-Edged Sword for Contact Centers
Summary In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss the implications of AI in quality assurance within contact centers. They explore the benefits of AI, such as increased coverage and trend spotting, while also addressing concerns about accuracy and the potential for AI to replace...
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Is AI a Threat to CRM?
Summary In this episode, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss delve into the current state of Software as a Service (SaaS) and its intersection with artificial intelligence (AI), particularly in the context of contact centers. They discuss the recent downturn in stock prices for major SaaS companies like...
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Stop Chasing Vanity Metrics
Most customer experience goals are meaningless. In this episode, Bob Furniss and Amas Tenumah dismantle the way contact centers set annual CX metrics and explain why leaders keep optimizing numbers that customers neither notice nor value. Using insights from a John Goodman article on CX...
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New Year Predictions — What 2025 Got Wrong, What 2026 Gets Right
2025 predictions — graded AI-powered knowledge Bob's 2025 prediction: AI would dramatically improve knowledge in contact centers. Result: Early but mostly wrong. The technology moved, but the data did not. Knowledge bases were too fragmented, too dirty, and too poorly governed for AI to...
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HOLD — The Suffering Economy of Customer Service
Amas Tenumah explains why customer service is not "broken" but intentionally designed to fail. Drawing on decades inside contact centers, historical research, and real corporate incentives, he argues that long waits, deflection, and automation-first strategies are features—not bugs. The...
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Empowering Sales Teams through AI
Summary The conversation explores the integration of AI in sales, focusing on how it enhances customer engagement and improves sales efficiency. Bob Furniss discusses the importance of using data to empower salespeople rather than reducing their numbers, emphasizing a customer-centric approach to...
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Unlocking Value in Contact Centers with Brad Cleveland
Summary In this conversation, Amas Tenumah, Bob Furniss and Brad Cleveland discusses the three levels of value that contact centers create: efficiency, customer satisfaction and loyalty, and strategic insights provided by AI. He emphasizes the importance of these levels in improving products,...
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Stacy Sherman: Why 'Satisfied' Is the New 'Fine' And 12 Reasons That's Not Good Enough"
Low-Cost, High-Impact CX Improvements The Power of Language: Transform "I can't" into "How can we" Shift from "I have to" to "We get to" Being "impeccable with your word" (inspired by The Four Agreements) Words trigger emotional responses that shape customer perception Getting CX Buy-In Across...
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Live from ICMI Conference - HR as a Contact Center with Bianca
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How Contact Centers Became the Corporate Nervous System (Live from ICMI w Daniel)
Host: Bob Furniss (without co-host Amos) Guest: Daniel Thomas, Informa Location: ICMI Conference Expo Floor Guest Background Daniel Thomas approaches contact center industry from a research background Surveys audiences and writes research reports Has "front row seat" to industry transformation...
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Navigating Complexity in Contact Centers (live show w Luke Jamieson)
Summary In this conversation, Amas, Luke and Bob explore the evolving complexity of contact centers, challenging the notion that they are becoming simpler. They emphasizes that while the intention may be to simplify processes, the reality is that sophistication often leads to increased…
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Is Salesforce and CRM in trouble?
Summary In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss the evolution of contact centers, the impact of CRM systems like Salesforce, and the role of AI in enhancing agent performance. They reflect on the historical context of CRM, the challenges faced by agents, and the future of...
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The Impact of Marketing on contact center
Summary In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss the intricate relationship between marketing and call center operations, particularly during high-demand periods like holidays. They share personal anecdotes about challenges faced in fulfilling customer orders due to marketing...
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Are Contact Centers Really Profit Centers?
Summary: For decades, leaders have debated whether the contact center should be a cost center, a profit center, or something in between. In this episode, Amas and Bob cut through the noise and tackle the question head-on: Is the contact center truly a profit center—or are we just telling the…
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Stuck Between AI and Customers
We're back from summer break (okay, maybe fall break too) and diving straight into the mess where AI, customers, and reality collide. In this episode, Amas and Bob unpack the hype vs. the truth about AI in contact centers: Is AI replacing humans—or just making customers angrier? Why human agents...
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BPO Success vs Failure
Summary In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss the intersection of sports fandom and the business of contact centers, particularly focusing on business process outsourcing (BPO). They explore the reasons companies choose to outsource their customer service operations, the...
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Bob's new book: on to blue
Summary In this heartfelt conversation, Bob Furniss shares the story of his daughter Keisha, who bravely battled breast cancer and inspired many through her positivity and strength. Bob discusses the impact of her life, the challenges of writing a book about her journey, and the mission of the...
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Why phone service won't go away
Summary In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss various aspects of customer service, focusing on trends, the importance of human interaction, and the role of AI. They reflect on personal experiences with customer service, emphasizing the need for effective communication and the...
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Enabling frontline leaders
This conversation delves into the critical role of frontline supervisors in contact centers, exploring the challenges they face, the future of their roles amidst technological advancements, and effective leadership strategies to support them. The discussion emphasizes the importance of human...
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Agentic AI vs. Human
Summary In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss the evolving landscape of contact centers, particularly focusing on Microsoft's recent rebranding efforts that redefine the term 'agent' to refer to bots rather than human representatives. They explore the implications of this...
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Enabling Frontline leadership
In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss the critical issues surrounding employee engagement and retention, particularly in contact centers. They explore the impact of leadership on employee satisfaction, the importance of proper training for supervisors, and the need for...
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What to do about NPS
In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss the evolving landscape of customer satisfaction metrics, particularly focusing on the Net Promoter Score (NPS). They explore the origins of NPS, its initial impact on customer sentiment, and the criticisms it has faced over the years. The...
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HP adds 15 minute mandatory hold time
Summary In this engaging conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss the challenges and implications of automation in customer service, particularly focusing on HP's controversial decision to implement a 15-minute wait time for customers to encourage self-service. They explore customer...
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AI will not replace humans in service
Summary In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss the evolving landscape of customer service, particularly the role of AI and human agents. They reflect on the impact of AI technologies on contact centers, emphasizing that while AI can enhance efficiency, the human element…
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Attributes of a good leader
Summary In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss explore the critical themes of leadership, empathy, and the evolving dynamics in contact centers, especially in the context of AI integration. They discuss the importance of creating a safe and trusting environment for employees, the need...
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Return to work challenges
Summary In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss the ongoing shift back to office work post-COVID, the challenges of hybrid work models, and the importance of thoughtful leadership in contact centers. They explore the reasons behind companies' push for employees to return to the...
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Can empathy be taught?
Summary In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss the essential skills for success in customer service roles, emphasizing the importance of empathy, authenticity, and a positive attitude. They explore how these skills can be taught or innate, and the impact of genuine…
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Government intervention in service?
Takeaways Customer service experiences can be frustrating and time-consuming. Government intervention may be necessary to improve customer service standards. Companies often fail to address their own customer service issues. The experience of customers with disabilities is often overlooked....
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Don't be a statistic
Summary In this engaging conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss the challenges of employee engagement and satisfaction in the workplace, particularly in the context of returning from time off. They explore the importance of recognition, meaningful work, and the impact of relationships...
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2024 in review
Summary In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss reflect on the year 2024 in customer service, discussing persistent challenges in contact centers, the evolution of work-from-home practices, and changing customer expectations regarding returns. They also share personal anecdotes about...
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Humans vs Policy
Summary In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss various themes surrounding customer experience, particularly in the context of recent tragic events and the impact of societal anger on service interactions. They explore the quality of food at conferences, the implications of a...
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Why Hybrid work is so hard to manage
Summary In this episode, Amas and Bob discuss the complexities of hybrid work, particularly in the context of contact centers. They explore the evolution of remote work, the challenges of engaging employees in a hybrid environment, and the strategies leaders can implement to ensure success. The...
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Is training the problem?
**Key Highlights:** 1. **Introduction:** - Bob enjoys the banter with Amas about customer service challenges. 2. **Sister's Experience:** - Amas shares a story from his sister about difficulties in returning items, highlighting widespread customer service frustrations. - Discussion shifts to...
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Attrition and loneliness
**Podcast Summary: Tackling Contact Center Attrition** In this episode, Amas and Bob dive into the persistent challenge of attrition in contact centers. They reminisce about Amas's experience running a center in the mid-2000s, where the attrition rate hovered around 7-9%. Surprisingly, even after...
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This is the public square for all things contact center. This is where the world's best Call & Contact center professionals come to get better at delivering a great experience for customers. Your contact center mentors - Amas Tenumah & Bob Furniss
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