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Courage Class with Dr. Lindsay Kwock Hu
by Dr. Lindsay Kwock Hu
Courage Class brings Asian American voices to the center of health and wellness. Dr. Lindsay Kwock Hu interviews cultural trailblazers and creatives to explore identity, healing, cultural expectations and emotional well-being. We name the realities mainstream wellness ignores - like the tension of living between cultures - and create space for honest conversations about identity, healing, and success. Together, we’re building a new narrative of wellness, sharing stories, tools, and conversations that reflect who we are – not who we’re told to be.
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How Do We Raise Kids For A Future We Can't Predict?
Episode Overview:The future our children will inherit looks dramatically different from the one we were prepared for.For many Asian American families, the roadmap was clear: work hard, get good grades, go to college, find a stable career, and build a secure life. But in a world increasingly shaped by artificial intelligence, rapid technological change, and evolving career pathways, that traditional formula no longer feelscertain.In this episode of Courage Class, Lindsay sits down with Dr. Christopher Hoang, Interim Director of Technology Services at the Los Angeles County Office of Education, where he helps support more than 80 school districts and nearly 2million students across Los Angeles County.Together, they explore one of the most pressing questions facing parents today: How do we raise children for a future we can't predict?Drawing from his unique perspective as an educator, technology leader, and father, Dr. Hoang shares practical insights on parenting in the age of AI, helping children develop critical thinking and creativity, navigating uncertainty, and whycommunication may be the most important skill families can cultivate moving forward.This conversation goes far beyond technology. It challenges deeply held assumptions about success, achievement, authority, perfectionism, and the ways many Asian American families were raised. Dr. Hoang encourages parents to move away from control and certainty and toward curiosity, flexibility, and meaningful conversation.In this episode, you'll learn:• Why the traditional "go to college, get a good job" pathway may no longer be enough • Why adaptability, curiosity, creativity, and communication may matter more than traditional definitions of success.• How to navigate AI as a parent and educator from fostering critical thinking and responsible technology use to understanding the questions every parent should be asking their child's school.• Why AANHPIs may need a new parenting playbook - one that moves beyond perfectionism, unquestioned authority, and achievement-driven expectations toward conversation, connection, and resilience.About Dr. Christopher HoangDr. Christopher Hoang serves as the Interim Director of Technology Services at the Los Angeles County Office of Education, supporting technology initiatives across more than 80 school districts serving nearly 2 million students.A former classroom teacher and educational leader, Dr. Hoang works at the intersection of education, innovation, and technology implementation. His work focuses on helping schools thoughtfully navigate emerging technologies, including artificial intelligence, while keeping students' needs at the center of decision-making.As both an educator and parent, he brings a practical and compassionate perspective to conversations about learning, technology, and preparing children for an increasingly complex future.Connect with Dr. Hoang:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-hoang/Connect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@courageclasspod@drlindsaykwockhuWebsite: www.drlindsaykwockhu.com/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning fromPixabay invitation-no-copyright-music-388387 Disclaimer: Courage Class with Dr. Lindsay Kwock Hu and content posted by Dr. Lindsay Kwock Hu is presented solely for general informational, educational, and entertainment purposes. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast or website is at the user's own risk. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional diagnosis or treatment. Users should not regard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical or mental health conditionthey may have and should seek the assistance of their healthcare professional for any such conditions.
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You Are More Than You Achieve: Dr. Jaki Yi on Perfectionism, Mental Health & the Model Minority Myth
Episode Overview:In this episode of Courage Class, Lindsay sits down with Dr. Jaki Yi, psychologist, researcher, educator, and Assistant Professor of Psychology at the University of Washington Bothell, for a wide-ranging conversation about Asian American mental health.This conversation covers a little bit of everything - in the best possible way.Together, they explore the Model Minority Myth and its impact on identity, self-worth, and family expectations. They discuss perfectionism, burnout, anxiety, hustle culture, scarcity mindset, emotional attunment, and why so many high-achieving students silently struggle beneath the surface. The conversation also touches on parenting, mental health stigma, therapy, emotional intelligence, and the skills young people will needto thrive in an AI-driven future.Whether listeners are parents, educators, students, leaders, or individuals working through their own relationship with achievement, this episode offers practical insights and compassionate reframes that can help them better understand themselves and those around them.About Dr. Yi: Dr. Jaki Yi is an Assistant Professor of Psychology at the University of Washington Bothell. She earned her Ph.D. in Clinical-Community Psychology from the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign and her bachelor's degree in Psychology from New York University.Her research focuses on how Asian Americans navigate systems of oppression, particularly experiences with race, racism, mental health, perfectionism, and social justice. Dr. Yi teaches courses in Asian American Psychology, multicultural counseling, and clinical psychology, and has extensive experience providing culturally responsive counseling and mental health support to racially minoritized communities.Her work helps illuminate the often unseen psychological experiences of Asian Americans and offers practical pathways toward healing, self-compassion, and collective well-being.Connect with Dr. Yi:Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jakiyiphdLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqueline-yi/Connect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@courageclasspod@drlindsaykwockhuWebsite: www.drlindsaykwockhu.com/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning fromPixabay invitation-no-copyright-music-388387
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From Survival to Authenticity: Reclaiming Your Asian American Identity
About the Episode: What if the pressure to be successful, agreeable, hardworking, and "good" was never really yours to begin with?In this powerful conversation, NYU professor and researcher Dr. Dale Maglalang joins Courage Class to unpack the hidden history behind the model minority myth, how it was constructed, why it persists, and the very real consequencesit has on Asian American identity, mental health, and belonging.Together, we explore the origins of the model minority myth, the concept of racial triangulation, and the ways systems of oppression have historically positioned Asian Americans in relation to other communities of color. Dr. Maglalang alsochallenges us to rethink assimilation, embrace cross-racial solidarity, and develop the critical consciousness needed to understand both our history and ourselves.While the first half of this conversation offers an important historical and academic deep dive, the second half focuses on practical ways we can reconnect with ourvalues, build authentic relationships, strengthen our identities, and resist the pressures of a one-dimensional narrative.Most importantly, this episode offers hope: that understanding the systems shaping our lives can help us stop blaming ourselves, reclaim our stories, and imagine new possibilities for who we can become.About Dr. Dale MaglalangDr. Dale Maglalang is an Assistant Professor at New York University's Silver School of Social Work and founder of the Asian American Critical Consciousness Project. His research examines how racism, discrimination, and systems of oppression impact health and well-being, particularly among BIPOC, immigrant, LGBTQ+, and other historically marginalized communities. Through his work, Dr. Maglalang seeks to develop practical, evidence-based tools that help individuals andcommunities heal, thrive, and pursue collective liberation.Connect with Dr. MaglalangNYU website: https://socialwork.nyu.edu/faculty-and-research/our-faculty/dale-dagar-maglalang.htmlLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dale-maglalang-phd-ma-msw-mph-0b004577/Connect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@courageclasspod@drlindsaykwockhuWebsite: www.drlindsaykwockhu.com/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning from Pixabayinvitation-no-copyright-music-388387
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We All Carry Something: Healing What Was Passed Down
About the Episode: Growing up, many of us were never taught the language of trauma, healing, mental health, or self-compassion.Therapy? Nope.Healing? Nope.“I love you?” Nope.Emotions? Absolutely nope.In this conversation, licensed marriage and family therapist Soo Jin Lee, LMFT joins Courage Class to explore intergenerational trauma, identity, belonging, perfectionism, burnout, and healing - especially within Asian American communities.Soo Jin is the Executive Director of Yellow Chair Collective and co-author of Where I Belong: Healing Trauma andEmbracing Asian American Identity. Together, we unpack how inherited survival patterns quietly shape the way we move through the world - showing up in our anxiety, relationships, silence, pressure to achieve, and constant need to prove our worth.But this episode is not about blame or shame.It’s about awareness.It’s about healing.And it’s about recognizing that we have the power to interrupt cycles that were never meant to be carried forever.In this episode, we discuss:What intergenerational trauma actually isWhy so many Asian Americans struggle with perfectionism and burnoutWhy healing begins with awareness and self-compassionPractical healing tools like box breathing and grounding exercisesThis is one of our most important conversations yet.If you’ve ever felt “too much,” “not enough,” emotionally responsible for everyone else, or stuck in survival mode -this episode is for you.About Soo Jin Lee:Soo Jin Lee is a licensed marriage and family therapist, Executive Director of Yellow Chair Collective, and co-author of Where I Belong: Healing Trauma and Embracing Asian American Identity. As a Korean bilingual and bicultural therapist, her work centers on intergenerational trauma, identity, belonging, perfectionism, burnout, and culturally responsive mentalhealth care within Asian American communities. Through therapy, writing, and community healing spaces, Soo Jin helps individuals move from survival mode toward authenticity, self-compassion, and healing.Connect with Soo Jin: Website: https://yellowchaircollective.com/Where I Belong: Healing Trauma andEmbracing Asian American Identity https://www.whereibelongthebook.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/soo-jin-leeInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/yellowchaircollective/About Yellow Chair CollectiveYellow Chair Collective is a multicultural mental health practice focused on creating empowering, inclusive, and culturally responsive healing spaces. Specializing in psychotherapyservices that honor each person’s lived experiences, YCC places a particular emphasis on serving Asian American communities through conversations around identity, belonging, intergenerational trauma, and mental health. Their work isrooted in the belief that healing should not only be effective, but also compassionate, de-stigmatizing, and community-centered.Connect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@courageclasspod@drlindsaykwockhuWebsite: www.drlindsaykwockhu.com/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning from Pixabay invitation-no-copyright-music-388387
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Menopause Is Not the End - Dr. Somi Javaid on the Healthcare Revolution Women Deserve
About the Episode:What if the symptoms women are often told to “just live with” are actually signs of a healthcare system failingthem?In this powerful episode, Lindsay sits down with Dr. Somi Javaid - board-certified OB/GYN, TEDx speaker, and founder of HerMD - to unpack the truth about perimenopause, menopause, hormones, sexual health, and why so many women feel dismissed inside traditional healthcare systems.Dr. Somi shares how a life-changing experience with her mother’s health inspired her to build HerMD, a groundbreaking platform centered on longer appointments, evidence-based care, and truly listening to women.Together, we discuss:The invisible symptoms of perimenopause and menopauseWhy women are often dismissed and how to advocate for yourselfHow cultural norms impact Asian American women's experiences with menopauseHow Dr. Somi built and exited HerMD, a fem-tech company offering personalized care to women she founded and builtThis conversation is empowering, eye-opening, and full of information every woman deserves to hear.About Dr. Somi Javaid:Dr. Somi Javaid is a board-certified OB/GYN, TEDx speaker, and founder of HerMD, a healthcare platform redefining menopause, sexual health, and gynecology care. As one of fewer than 0.4% of women of color in the U.S. to secure venture capital funding, she has become a nationally recognized leader in women’s healthcare innovation and advocacy.Named to Inc.’s Female Founders 250 list and honored as a Trailblazer in Healthcare, Dr. Somi has been featured in Forbes, Vogue, national television, and the documentary TheM Factor: Shredding the Silence on Menopause. A sought-afterspeaker and educator, she has spoken at TEDx, the Global Wellness Summit, and Let’s Talk Menopause, while also founding HerMD University to train providers in menopause and sexual healthcare at a time when the U.S. has just one trained provider for every 33,000 menopausal patients.Connect with Dr. Somi Javaid:Website: https://www.drsomi.com/IG:https://www.instagram.com/dr.somijavaid/?hl=enLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/somi-javaid/DisruptHER PodcastTiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somijavaidmdConnect with Courage Class on TikTok,Instagram, YouTube:@courageclasspod@drlindsaykwockhuWebsite: www.drlindsaykwockhu.com/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning fromPixabay invitation-no-copyright-music-388387
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"We were taught to function. Not to feel." - Finding Your Voice as an Asian American
About This Episode:Ko Im - award-winning storyteller andcreative - grew up in Guam, where a place where diversity didn't need to be announced, it was just lived. Then she stepped off a plane onto the US mainland for college and realized, for the first time, that race was political.That early experience - of belonging without having to fight for it - quietly became the foundation of everything Ko built: her journalism career, her published writing, her work shaping narrative at a global scale. And it's what compelled her, shortly after the 2021 Atlanta Spa shootings, to stay up and write the Newsweek essay that thousands of Asian Americans said out loud what they had been holding silently for years.In this conversation, Ko and Lindsay explore what it actually takes to find your voice when your culture taught you to stayquiet - and what becomes possible when you do.What You'll Learn:How to stay rooted in your own story when the world is constantly projecting a narrative onto youWhy contentment, not happiness, is the morehonest and sustainable thing to aim for, and what it actually looks like in daily lifeHow speaking your truth publicly, even imperfectly, builds confidence and shifts something inside you that achievement alone never canWhy caring for yourself is not optional - it'sthe foundation for showing up authentically About Ko ImKo Im is an award-winning storyteller, communications leader, and community builder with over 15 years of experienceshaping narratives across journalism, publishing, and global brand strategy.Known for her ability to connect dots across culture, identity, and community, Ko brings both editorial precision and deep human insight to everything she creates.Her career spans roles as a journalist, published author, on-camera host, and content strategist - with her currentwork focused on communications and content strategy at a global scale. She is a certified wellness instructor with a grounding practice in yoga and meditation, and brings that same commitment to presence and authenticity into her storytelling work.Ko is a passionate advocate for diversity and representation, and her writing has appeared in major national outletsincluding Newsweek, where her personal essay on the Asian American experience following the 2021 Atlanta Spa shootings resonated widely across the AANHPI community.She believes stories are not just communication - they are how we return to ourselves.Connect with KoLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/koimprofile/IG: https://www.instagram.com/konakafe/Connect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@courageclasspod@drlindsaykwockhuWebsite: www.drlindsaykwockhu.com/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning from Pixabayinvitation-no-copyright-music-388387
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Filmmaking, Community, and the Stories that Move us Forward: Shuling Yong
About the Episode:This week, I am joined by Shuling Yong - award-winning documentary filmmaker whose work has screened at Sundance,Tribeca, and Netflix. Her newest documentary follows two public school teachers navigating the TEAACH Act - the first legislation in the country to require Illinois schools to teach Asian American history!For generations, the AANHPI narrative has been constructed without us. Model minority. Perpetual foreigner. Silentachiever. Shuling reminded me that someone will tell your story with or without you. In this episode, you'll learn:Who tells the story is inseparable from what thestory becomes and why that matters now more than ever for our communityReal storytelling requires relationship,proximity, and trust - you earn the right to tell someone's story, you don'ttake itStorytelling humanizes what policy alone cannot -because you have to touch the heart before you can change the mindAbout Shuling Yong:Shuling Yong is a Singapore-born, Chicago-based award-winning documentary filmmaker, director of photography, andlocation sound recordist with a passion for social change. Her work has screened at Sundance, Tribeca, Netflix, POV, and HotDocs - including the Michelle Obama documentary Becoming and the Indigo Girls documentary It's Only Life After All.Her film Unteachable made history at the Singapore International Film Festival, becoming the first local film to win the Audience Choice Award in the festival's 30-year history.It is now used as a teaching tool at Singapore's only teacher-training college.She is a DOC NYC 40 Under 40 honoree, aKartemquin Films Diverse Voices in Docs Fellow and Mentor, and a CAAM Fellowship Pitch Coach.Her current project follows two public school teachers implementing the TEAACH Act - the first law in the country tomandate Asian American history in Illinois public schools - with support from the Asian American Documentary Network and Kartemquin Films.Find Shuling: https://shulingyong.com/Connect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@courageclasspod@drlindsaykwockhuWebsite: www.drlindsaykwockhu.com/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning from Pixabayinvitation-no-copyright-music-388387
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Mission, Meaning, and Metrics: How Two Women Built Anise Health and Redefined Mental Health for the Asian Communities
Episode Overview:In this episode, Alice Zhang (CEO) and Nisha Desai (COO), co-founders of Anise Health, share how they’re reimagining mental health care for the Asian community through culturallyattuned, personalized care. As a venture-backed, minority female-led team, they also open up about the realities of entrepreneurship - from navigating a system that wasn’t built for them to building one that is.This is a conversation about mission, identity, and the courage to lead with both heart and business strategy - proving that you don’t have to choose between meaning and building something impactful.What you’ll learn:Why culturally attuned care is a clinical necessity - not a "nice to have";The gaps in mental health care for Asian communities and how to address them;What it really takes to build and scale a venture-backed, mission-driven company; and How to stay grounded in your 'why' while navigating pressure, doubt, and growth.About Alize Zhang:Alice Zhang is the Co-Founder and CEO of Anise Health, a venture-backed mental health company reimagining care for the Asian community through culturally attuned, personalized mental health support.As a third culture kid who grew up across China, Japan, and Canada, Alice brings a global lens to her work and a deep understanding of identity, belonging, and the gaps in traditional mental health care.Before founding Anise, she worked in management consulting and private equity. She later earned her MBA from Harvard Business School and a B.S. in Neuroscience from The University of British Columbia. Today, Alice is focused on transforming mental health care into a more inclusive, accessible, and culturally responsive system - one that empowers individuals to live authentically and thrive.Connect with Alice: LinkedInAbout Nisha Desai: Nisha Desai is the Co-Founder and COO of Anise Health, a venture-backed mental health company reimagining care for the Asian community through culturally attuned,personalized support.Coming from a family of healthcare entrepreneurs, Nisha was inspired early on to build solutions that create impact at scale. Her work sits at the intersection of healthcare, technology, and innovation, with a focus on addressing systemic gaps in how care is delivered.Prior to founding Anise, she worked across healthcare strategy, product innovation, investment management, and investment banking, gaining experience in building and scaling solutions within healthcare and biopharmaceutical companies. She earned her MBA from Harvard Business School and a B.S. in Economics, Finance, Marketing, and Legal Studies from The Wharton School. Nisha is passionate about transforming mental health care into a more equitable and accessible system - one that reflects the lived experiences and values of the communities it serves.LinkedIn About Anise HealthAnise Health is a mission-driven mental health organization dedicated to serving diverse and historically underserved communities. The platform offers an evidence-basedmodel of care that centers cultural context from the very beginning - designed to better support people of color than traditional, one-size-fits-all approaches to therapy.Through a holistic, culturally attuned care model, Anise Health works to reduce disparities in mental health access and outcomes. Their work within the Asian community shows higher engagement and stronger continuity of care, demonstrating how culturally responsive support can meaningfully improve mental health experiences for the Asian communities.Website: https://www.anisehealth.co/Instagram or Tiktok: @anisehealthConnect with Courage Class on TikTok,Instagram, YouTube:@courageclasspod, @drlindsaykwockhuWebsite: www.drlindsaykwockhu.com/podcastMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning from Pixabay invitation-no-copyright-music-388387
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Mission First: Building Tech with Purpose
Episode Description:What if service isn’t something you do at the end of your career - but the strategy that builds it? In this episode, Lindsay sits down with Dr. Komal Kapoor, founder and CEO of SpeakerPost, a platform connecting industry professionals with classrooms around the world. We talk about what it really means to lead with purpose, trust your inner voice, and build something meaningful without waiting for permission or a perfect plan.If you’ve ever felt torn between stability and calling, this conversation will meet you right where you are.In this episode, you’ll learn:Why service can be a powerful strategy - not just an act of giving backHow to trust your inner voice, even when external expectations are loudA simple way to start living your purpose(without needing everything figured out)Episode Outline: 00:35 Meet Dr Kapoor02:06 Between Two Worlds04:29 Service As Growth08:13 Spotting The Classroom Gap12:40 Managing Fear And Risk14:44 Learning By Doing15:42 Meaning Over Happiness16:21 How SpeakerPost Works22:29 Human Edge Over AI26:13 Community, Trust, Growth28:37 One Hour To Serve30:35 Advice To Younger Self35:22 Defining Courage Purpose About Dr. Komal Shah KapoorDr. Komal Shah Kapoor is a social impact serial entrepreneur, researcher, writer, and founder whose work sits at the intersection of culture, wellness, and human connection.Her journey into wellness began not in a studio, but through research and lived experience. At SpaFinder, she co-authored the first Global Spa Economy Report with SRI International - foundational work that helped shape what is now the Global Wellness Institute. She also published the India Spa Trends Report, blending data with cultural insight and earning recognition in global publications including Forbes Traveler.Driven by a deep curiosity about identity and belonging, she founded Cook Aunty in New York City - well ahead of its time.Inspired by her doctoral research, the platform celebrated a powerful truth: for many immigrants, food is the last thread of cultural identity to go.Today, she is the founder of SpeakerPost, a platform that connects industry professionals with classrooms around the world, expanding access, representation, and possibility for students everywhere.She is also the voice behind Green Sea Shells, a digital publication rooted in the belief that the most sacred forms of wellness are the quietest ones - found in culture, storytelling, rituals, and connection.Dr. Kapoor’s work is grounded in a simple philosophy: wellness is not something we chase - it’s something we remember.Connect with Dr. KapoorLinkedInSpeakerPost WebsiteConnect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@[email protected]/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, aweekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning from Pixabay invitation-no-copyright-music-388387
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The Leadership Skill No One Teaches: Learning to Meet the Moment with Courtney Pong
Episode Overview:What if the secret to becoming a better leader and communicator wasn’t about performing perfectly - but about bringing all of your skills to meet the moment?In this episode, Lindsay sits down with Courtney Pong, owner of Rozzie Square Theater, Boston’s only AAPI-and woman-owned improv theater, and a leadership trainer who teaches communication and collaboration to Fortune 500 companies.Courtney shares how a career in Silicon Valley - combined with a life-changing medical event - led her to leave techand build a leadership philosophy rooted in improv, community, and human connection.Together, they explore how improv principles can transform the way we communicate, pitch ideas, handle failure, and leadwith confidence. Courtney breaks down practical tools - from the “Yes, And” mindset to storytelling frameworks and the power of listening first - that can help anyone become amore compelling communicator.If you’ve ever struggled with perfectionism, self-doubt, or speaking up in professional spaces, this conversation will show you how to trust your experience, meet the moment, and use your voice with more confidence.Episode Breakdown:02:32 Improv Not Performance03:52 Leaving Silicon Valley09:40 Improv Community Roots10:57 Pitching Starts Listening14:03 Simple Story Framework17:01 Authenticity Through Practice22:02 Yes And In Conflict25:42 Quieting Self Doubt29:41 Iterative Failure Practice31:00 Trust Your Confidence33:29 Danna Introduces Urban Sandbox and Pitch Feedback About Courtney PongCourtney Pong is a nationally recognized speaker, entrepreneur, and leader in applied improvisation with 24+ years of professional experience. As the Owner and General Manager of CSZ Boston, she has been teaching improv as an applied skill and performing improv comedy professionally for over 25 years. From the Bay Area to the Bay State, she has been trusted to design and lead team building workshops and communication trainings across a wide variety of industries and brands, from Ocean Spray, The Boston Red Sox, and Dana-Farber Cancer Institute to GE Aviation, Deloitte, and Harvard University. Courtney Pong has been recognized as a Boston Business Journal 40 under 40 Honoree, and featured in Boston Magazine and Inc. Magazine as an AAPI thought-leader in live entertainment and entrepreneurship. Courtney hails from San Francisco, with 15 years of experience in Public Relations and Marketing and is a keynote speaker.Connect with Courtney:WebsiteCSZ Boston WebsiteInstagram (Courtney’s)Instagram (CSZ)LinkedInAbout Urban SandboxUrban Sandbox is a wellbeing-centered platform focused on preventive mental health support for children. Our mission is to close access gaps by connecting families directly to timely, individualized care—with the goal of providing 1:1, on-demand support for every student, regardless of background.Built on the belief that mental well-being is foundational to a child’s ability to learn and thrive, Urban Sandbox supports children in two ways: encouraging creative expression to build confidence and resilience, and connecting families to trusted mental wellness resources early, before challenges escalate.By linking families, schools, and care providers in one streamlined system, Urban Sandbox expands support capacity while combining play, psychology, and digital innovation in a privacy-first platform fully compliant with COPPA, FERPA, and HIPAA.Connect with Urban Sandbox:WebsiteLinkedInInstagramConnect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@[email protected]/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning from Pixabayinvitation-no-copyright-music-388387
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Confidence, Cultural Identity, and Leadership with John Wang
Episode Overview: In this episode of Courage Class, I sit down with leadership coach and Big Asian Energy author John Wang to unpack the internal pressures many Asian American professionals face in the workplace - from perfectionism and people-pleasing to staying quiet in meetings and overworking to prove worth.We explore why leadership isn’t about becoming louder or more aggressive, but about unlearning the belief that youhave to shrink to belong.John breaks down the 7 adaptive leadership patterns that may be shaping your career - including the Achiever, Fixer, Chameleon, Invisible One, Rebel, and Commander - and explains how these so-called “weaknesses” can become strengths when driven by confidence instead of fear.We also cover:How to speak up in meetings without feeling inauthenticWhy your idea doesn’t need to be a “10” to be valuableHow to set boundaries at work using practicalscriptsWhy confidence starts with assuming youbelongThe difference between assimilation andintegration in leadershipIf you’ve ever struggled with imposter syndrome, perfectionism, burnout, or feeling pressure to assimilate into Western leadership norms, this conversation will help you rethink your leadership style - and step into it with courage.Because if you’re in the room, you already belong.Episode Outline: 01:22 Unlearning to Lead Authentically03:06 From Assimilation to Integration07:00 Shy Kid to Confident Leader08:24 Belonging Builds Confidence11:52 Communication Is Learnable13:21 Seven Patterns Introduction14:49 Achiever and Fixer17:34 Charmer and Parts Work21:12 Chameleon and Secret Rules23:46 Rebel and Invisible Pattern25:44 Commander Archetype26:12 Gender and Eldest Daughter28:19 Listener Q1: Speaking Up30:37 Five Is Enough35:06 Listener Q2: Burnout36:03 Policies Not Boundaries42:05 Listener Q3: Asking Questions43:06 High vs Low Context45:23 Closing and CourageAbout John WangJohn Wang is the host of the Big Asian Energy Show, a motivational speaker, and leadership coach helping Asianprofessionals break through hidden barriers and unlock their potential.After discovering that many successful Asians were being overlooked for leadership roles not because of lack of capability, but because of cultural miscommunication and workplace stereotyping, he started doing research that uncovered why most advice like “just speak up more” oftenfail Asian American employees.John has been featured on NBC News Daily, WSJ, CNBC, TEDx, Audible, Amazon, and has clients from Fortune 50 companies like Google, Meta, and Goldman Sachs, blending cultural insight and science-backed strategies to build confidence and visibility. His content on assertiveness and imposter syndrome has reached over 250,000 followers and over 25 million views.John’s mission is to inspire a new generation to lead with confidence. His book Big Asian Energy, launched May 2025 (Tiny Reparations/Penguin Randomhouse Publishing), offers even more tools to step into your full power.Connect with John: WebsiteTiktokInstagramYoutubeConnect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@[email protected]/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning from Pixabayinvitation-no-copyright-music-388387
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Women & Leadership: Career Lessons, Burnout, and Knowing Your Values
Episode Overview:In Part 2 of our leadership mini-series, I’m getting personal.This solo episode is about women, leadership, and the lessons I wish I had known at the very beginning of my career - especially as an Asian American woman navigating systems that were not designed with us in mind.I share what the research says about systemic bias, burnout, unpaid labor, and the cultural forces that complicate our ascent to leadership. But I also share my own story - chasing title, pay, and prestige, tolerating toxic workplace, and internalizing feedback that shaped my self-worth for years.In this episode, you’ll learn:Why knowing your core values is the foundation for aligned leadership and career decisionsHow to curate mentorship (even if you don’t have a formal mentor)Why rest is not indulgent - it’s strategic and foundationalHow to trust your internal voice when something feels off at workIf you’ve ever over performed to prove yourself, confused exhaustion with success, or struggled to say no - this conversation is for you.Because perhaps the greatest act of resistance in a world not built for us is to be so anchored in who you are - so proud of your full story - that when someone tells you that you can’t, you look at them in disbelief.If no one has told you today: I see how hard you’re working. And I’m proud of you.Be well.With Courage (and still learning),LindsayEpisode Breakdown: 00:00 Resistance and Self Worth01:37 Welcome and Why This Matters02:31 Research on Systemic Barriers04:17 Lesson One Know Your Values07:21 Title Chasing Cautionary Tale09:51 Lesson Two Curate Mentors13:40 Feedback Story and Perspective17:01 Lesson Three Rest and Care18:51 Lesson Four Trust Your Signals19:54 Final Takeaways and Encouragement Connect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@[email protected]/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning from Pixabayinvitation-no-copyright-music-388387
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Uncapping Leadership: Authoring Your Own Leadership Story as an AANHPI Community Member
Episode Overview:In this week’s episode, Lindsay speaks with Alex, Chief ProgramOfficer at LEAP, about how dominant leadership archetypes can cause Asian and Asian American professionals to feel pressured to choose between cultural values and workplace success. Alex describes the “invisible tax” of self-erasure, burnout, and imposter syndrome, and frames LEAP’s impact as helping participants realize they don’t need to fix themselves to fit anarchetype; they can “author” themselves, stop performing, and close the gap between who they are and how they lead. The conversation explores Asian cultural values and how behaviors tied to hard work and achievement can be both helpful and hindering, including getting stuck in the weeds, missing networking and leadership opportunities, perfectionism, and low tolerance for ambiguity. Episode Breakdown:00:00 Breaking the Leadership Archetype: Why Leaders Don’tAll Look the Same02:15 The ‘Invisible Tax’: Self-Erasure, Burnout, andImposter Syndrome03:36 From Fixing Yourself to Authoring Yourself (and FindingYour Voice)05:35 Meet Alex: The Mentors and Moments That Led to LEAP11:58 AAPI Cultural Conditioning vs. Workplace Norms: Namingthe Core Values13:33 When ‘Hardworking’ Backfires: Perfectionism, Ambiguity,and Looking Up16:25 True North Check-In: Fulfillment, Purpose, and thePrivilege of Reflection24:05 Being Misread at Work: Model Minority Myths and‘Executive Presence’26:29 Code-Switching, Validation, and Burnout: Staying YouWhile Translating29:25 Why We Don’t Celebrate Ourselves: Survival Mode &Upbringing29:58 Imposter Syndrome, Deferral, and the Lifelong Journeyof Self-Worth31:25 Turning Cultural Humility Into Strength: Anxiety asFuel & Leadership Relatability35:08 Does It Get Easier? Leadership Growth, Hardship, andOne Foot Forward39:18 Inside LEAP: “Keep Your Values, Develop New Skills” +Program Overview45:43 What LEAP Feels Like: Culturally Affirming LearningEnvironments & Validation48:48 How to Apply + New Learning Community for Disruptors(and It’s National)51:14 Final Takeaway: Be Seen—In Any Moment, Choose Courage What You’ll Learn: Why AANHPI underrepresentation in leadershipisn’t a talent gap, but a systems and archetype gap.How cultural values like humility and hard workcan be misread in Western workplaces.The hidden cost of self-erasure, code-switching,and performing instead of leading.Why leadership is a human experience rooted inconnection, not just outcomes or titles.How to stop fixing yourself and start authoringyour own version of leadership.About Alex Cena:Alex Cena is the Chief Programs Officer at LEAP (Leadership Education for Asian Pacifics), where he leads the development and implementation of leadership programs serving AANHPI professionals across nonprofit, corporate, and highereducation sectors nationwide. As a leader with a background in higher education, student affairs, and nonprofitleadership, Alex brings over a decade of experience designing culturally responsive leadership development initiatives. His work centers on empowering leaders to keep their values while expanding their skills, challenging outdated leadershiparchetypes, and building pathways for AANHPI professionals to lead without self-erasure. Alex is passionate aboutcultivating community, amplifying underrepresented voices, and creating spaces where leaders can show up fully and authentically.Connect with Alex: LinkedInConnect with Courage Class on TikTok,Instagram, YouTube:@[email protected]/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, aweekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning from Pixabayinvitation-no-copyright-music-388387 Memoria – Sadpiano and strings cinematic background, Descript River Song, Descript
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Breaking the Silence: What We Were Never Taught About Intimacy
Episode Overview: Lindsay talks with Amy Furuyama, a certified therapist and AASECT-certified sex therapist, about why sex feels so hard to talk about in many Asian communities - and how to change that without shame. Amy breaks down the cultural roots of silence, then shares practical tools for communicating desire, starting with self-knowledge and moving into teamwork with your partner. You’ll learn conversation scripts, how to reduce defensiveness, and a simple framework for understanding what turns you on (or shuts you down).What You’ll Learn:Why sexual shame is so common for Asian women (purity narratives, silence, hypersexualization, history).How to start communicating about sex by firstbuilding comfort with your own body and desires.Practical ways to bring it up with a partner - timing,curiosity, and “putting it on a resource” (therapy/podcast/book).How couples can co-create a better sex lifeusing “sexual brakes and accelerators” instead of blame.About Amy Furuyama, LCSW, Certified Sex TherapistAmy Furuyama is a licensed therapist and AASCT-certified sex therapist based in Irvine, California. She helps individuals reduce sexual shame, reconnect with their bodies, and build confidence around desire and pleasure.Growing up in the Korean community, sex was rarely discussed beyond risk and morality, leaving little space for conversations about autonomy, consent, or enjoyment. That silence - and itsimpact - led Amy to pursue sex therapy.With over 15 years of experience as a social worker, Amy approaches her work as a form of resistance: helping clients unlearn harmful narratives and cultivate more compassionate, affirming relationships with their sexuality. Outside of therapy, she enjoys time with her husband and daughter, running, R&B, cozy coffee shops, and reading.Connect with Amy:https://www.amyfuruyama.com/IG: @therapywithamy Connect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@[email protected]/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning from Pixabayinvitation-no-copyright-music-388387
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Sleep Matters More Than You Think
Episode Overview: This week, Lindsay sits down with Dr. Yishan Xu, founder of Mind & Body Garden Psychology, an adjunct clinical faculty member at Stanford University School of Medicine, and a board-certified Behavioral Sleep Medicine specialist (DBSM). Together, they dismantle the myth of the “perfect” sleep routine - especially in high-achieving, hustle-conditioned cultures.They explore why chronic sleep deprivation is so common (and even celebrated) in our community, plus the real short- and long-term costs it carries - from cognition and work performance to mood, empathy, and relationships. Dr. Yishan breaks down the difference between sleep deprivation vs. insomnia, explains how different sleep stages support memory, emotional stability, and creativity, and shares simple, evidence-based shifts you can start today.Most importantly, this conversation is a permission slip: your sleep isn’t broken, and you don’t need a one-size-fits-all routine. The goal is learning what your body needs and building a sustainable rhythm that supports the life you’re trying to create.What you’ll learn in this episodeHow hustle culture in Asian communities normalizes sleep deprivation - and the hidden physical, emotional, and relational costs we often underestimate.Why rest can feel “lazy” or irresponsible in cultures that prize endurance, sacrifice, and achievement - and how to reframe sleep as an act of courage.How chronic sleep loss shows up in high achievers as perfectionism, irritability, anxiety, and strained relationships - even when life looks “successful” on paper.How to honor your body’s natural rhythm (instead of forcing early mornings or rigid routines) without betraying your values, family, or ambition.About Dr. Yishan Xu:Dr. Yishan Xu is a licensed clinical psychologist and an adjunct clinical faculty member at Stanford University School of Medicine. She is the founder and director of Mind & BodyGarden Psychology, one of California’s largest multilingualmental health clinics, with over 20 clinicians and satellite offices in New York City.Dr. Yishan is a Board-Certified Behavioral Sleep Medicine Specialist (D-BSM) with specialties in sleep disorders (including insomnia and circadian rhythm disorders). She integrates evidence-based therapies - including CBT, CBT-I, ACT, DBT, and mindfulness-based approaches - with a holistic, lifestyle-medicine perspective.Fluent in Mandarin and English, Dr. Yishan brings a culturally attuned approach to helping clients navigate stress, life transitions, relationships, and lasting personal change. Connect with Dr. Yishan: Website: https://www.mindbodygarden.com/Instagram and TikTok: @dr.yishanDeep Into Sleep Podcast: https://www.deepintosleep.co/Connect with Courage Class on TikTok,Instagram, YouTube:@[email protected]/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning fromPixabay invitation-no-copyright-music-388387
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Mental Health and the Asian Community with Anise Health
Episode Overview: This week, Lindsay discusses the importance of culturally attuned therapy with Israa Nasir, a trained therapist and current Director of Clinical Strategy at Anise Health, an Asian-focused online therapy platform. They explore how impactful cultural context is in mental health care and the comprehensive services offered by Anise Health, including therapy, behavioral health coaching, peer support groups, and more. Learn about the unique challenges faced by Asian individuals in seeking mental health support and the innovative solutions provided by Anise Health to bridge these gaps. This episode aims to emphasize the significance of culturally relevant care for optimal healing and growth created especially for the Asian community. Episode Outline: 01:44 The Importance of Culturally Attuned Therapy02:24 Introducing Israa Nasir and Anise Health03:07 Micro Actions for Mental Health07:47 Culturally Attuned Care Explained10:44 Barriers to Mental Health Care in Asian Communities15:43 Anise Health's Matching Process21:00 Training and Development for Clinicians24:38 Introduction to Anise Health's Mission25:50 Holistic Programs and Services26:13 Behavioral Health Coaching27:52 Peer Support Groups29:32 Digital Resources and Corporate Engagements33:06 Insurance and Accessibility37:41 Success Stories and Family Dynamics44:18 Encouraging Community Check-ins What you learn in this episode:Identify what culturally attuned care means and why integrating culture at the start (not downstream) can accelerate healing.Recognize the cultural + structural barriers that delay Asian mental health care (stigma/shame, language gaps, mistrust, access and insurance).The comprehensive support structures Anise providesTake one courageous next step: check in withone community member in a genuine way to normalize support, reduce shame, and make help-seeking easier.About Israa Nasir:Israa Nasir is the Director of Clinical Strategy at Anise Health. She is a therapist by training and has extensive experience in clinical strategy and program development. Born in Pakistan, raised as an expat in the Middle East, then as an immigrant in Toronto, Canada, Israa grew up navigating many cultures. Her global upbringing taught her a deep appreciation for the beauty of different cultures. She has held leadership roles at startups focused on bridging gaps in mental health access and innovation. She is also a public speaker and author of Toxic Productivity. Israa is excited to develop initiatives that redefine mental health care delivery and create last impact.Connect with Israa: IG and Tiktok: @well.guideLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/israanasir/Website: https://www.israanasir.com/ About Anise HealthAnise Health is a mission-driven tele-mental health organization dedicated to serving diverse and historically underserved communities. The platform offers an evidence-based model of care that centers cultural context from the very beginning - designed to better support people of color than traditional, one-size-fits-all approaches to therapy.Through a holistic, culturally attuned care model, Anise Health works to reduce disparities in mental health access and outcomes. Their work within the Asian community shows higher engagement and stronger continuity of care, demonstrating how culturally responsive support can meaningfully improve mental health experiences for BIPOC individuals.Website: https://www.anisehealth.co/Instagram or Tiktok: @anisehealthTo learn more about their peer wellness groups, sign up for their newsletter here (scroll to the bottom).Connect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@courageclasspod@drlindsaykwockhuWebsite: www.drlindsaykwockhu.com/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning from Pixabayinvitation-no-copyright-music-388387
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Spirituality is Returning to Yourself: Micro-Boundaries, Energy, and Self-Reflection
Episode Overview:Lindsay sits down with Corie Chu, intuitive energy healer, Reiki Master Teacher, and numerologist, for a deeply grounding conversation about what spirituality actually is and what it’s not.Together, they unpack how spirituality has been made inaccessible by rigid rules, rituals, and “shoulds,” and why the most powerful spiritual practices are often the simplest and most personal. From watching the sunset, to coding, to remembering childhood Qigong movements stored in the body, Corie reframes spirituality as anything that helps you feelanchored, honest, and connected to yourself.Corie also shares her journey from hustling in the entertainment industry to full-time healing work, and how chronic imbalance, overgiving, and suppressed emotions can show up in the body over time. The conversation explores emotional release, intuitive energy healing, and why healing can’t be rushed - your body knows what it’s ready to release, and when.A powerful portion of the episode centers on boundaries as aspiritual practice, especially within collectivist andvAsian cultural contexts. Corie introduces the concept of micro-boundaries - small, compassionate shifts that protect your energy without burning bridges - and unpacks how guilt,obligation, and overgiving can quietly erode our physical, emotional, and spiritual health.They also dive into numerology as a tool for awareness (not destiny), the importance of free will, and why self-reflection -brutally honest, courageous self-reflection - is one of the most transformative practices available to us.Episode Outline: 01:44 Defining Spirituality07:25 Personal Journey to Energy Healing11:33 The Importance of Balance and Self-Care16:04 Discovering Qigong and Returning to Self20:58 Understanding Intuitive Energy Healing29:25 Boundaries as a Spiritual Practice 35:14 Navigating Family Dynamics and Boundaries36:08 The Importance of Compassionate Boundaries39:45 Cultural Influences on Boundaries47:16 The Consequences of Overgiving54:51 Understanding Numerology01:00:39 The Power of Self-Reflection01:03:20 Defining Courage and SpiritualityWhat You’ll Learn: Why spirituality doesn’t have to bewoo-woo - and can be anything that helps you return to yourselfHow overgiving and chronic stress livein the body (and what happens when emotions go unprocessed)Why boundaries - especially micro-boundaries - are a spiritual practice in collectivist and Asian familiesHow to protect your energy without cutting people off or betraying your valuesWhy healing can’t be rushed and how your body decides what it’s ready to releaseHow numerology can be used as a tool for awareness not destinyAbout Corie ChuCorie Chu is a Reiki Master Teacher, a certified numerologist, and an intuitive energy healer. After spending over a decade working as a publicist in Hollywood - touring globally with film studios, executives, and A-list talent - she left the entertainment industry to pursue healing work after experiencing burnout. Her path led her through South America and ultimately into deep study of Reiki, energy healing, numerology, and embodied practices that honor emotional and energetic wellbeing. Today, Corie blends her corporate-world insight with intuitive healing, helping clients release stored emotional energy, set healthier boundaries, and reconnect with themselves in grounded, practical ways. Connect with Coriehttps://coriechu.com/IG: https://www.instagram.com/coriechuhealing/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/corie-chu-ab129a21/?originalSubdomain=hk Connect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@courageclasspod@drlindsaykwockhuWebsite: www.drlindsaykwockhu.com/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning from Pixabayinvitation-no-copyright-music-388387
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Burned Out, But Everything Looked Fine
Episode Overview:In this episode of Courage Class, Lindsay shares her personal journey from burnout in 2024 to self-discovery and life transformation. She discusses how she navigated through a period of intense stress, leading to skyrocketing blood pressure, and how she managed to bring it under control.Through therapy, running, and introspection, Lindsay discovered the importance of listening to her own needs and emotions. She emphasizes that change is deeply personal and should be tailored to one’s individual context. She also highlights the significance of physical activity in achieving emotional and mental clarity. Lindsay ends by encouraging listeners to find their own path and introduces the upcoming season filled with expert insights on spirituality, mental health, sleep, and nutrition.Episode Outline:00:00 Introduction and Personal Story02:03 The Turning Point: Health Scare03:46 Struggles and Realizations05:07 The Sabbatical and Running Journey06:36 Emotional Breakthroughs08:05 Communicating Needs and Making Changes12:44 The Importance of Context in Change14:59 The Power of Physical Activity17:40 Final Thoughts and Upcoming Episodes Connect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@[email protected]/podcastSign up for CourageClass Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101a
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Setting Intentions for the New Year: How to Build a Vision That Feels Right with Nicole Cruz
Episode Overview: In this first episode of Courage Class Season 2, Lindsay sits down with Nicole Cruz, leadership coach and founder of Nicole Cruz Coaching, to explore what it really means to create a vision for your life that’s rooted in who you are, not just what you do. Many of us - especially in the Asian and Pacific Islander community - were raised to equate success with hard work, achievement, and meeting expectations. But what if the path to fulfillment isn’t about doing more, but aligning more deeply with what truly matters? Together, Lindsay and Nicole will discuss how to create intentional, culturally grounded goals and vision boards that reflect your authentic values and life desires. Nicole will walk Lindsay through a review of her own vision board from last year to show, in real time, how to shift from achievement-based goals to meaningful, purpose-driven intentions.Episode Objectives: Reframe the meaning of success: Learn how to move from achievement-based goals toward intentions rooted in joy, purpose, and authenticity.Understand cultural influences on goal-setting: Explore how familial expectations, cultural scripts, and hustle culture shape how we define success.Learn how to build an intentional vision board: Get practical steps for designing a vision board or annual plan that reflects who you want to be, not just what you want to achieve.Experience a real-time coaching moment: Listen as Nicole reviews Lindsay’s previous vision board, offering live feedback and insights on how to make it more intentional and aligned.Walk away with a sustainable practice: Develop a framework for goal-setting that prioritizes joy, balance, and inner alignment—so your intentions actually feel good to live out.Episode Outline: 00:00 Introduction 02:04 Redefining Success 04:53 Personal Journey and Realizations09:44 Cultural Influences on Achievement15:38 Shifting from Achievement to Alignment27:05 Shifting Focus from Achievement to Experience29:49 The Importance of Being Present32:49 Vision Boards and Values35:25 Critiquing the Vision Board40:06 Exploring Feelings and Intentions48:34 Permission to Be Curious and Dream52:32 Final Thoughts and Definition of CourageAbout Nicole: is a leadership coach and TEDx speaker who supports first- and second-generation professionals navigating success, identity, and purpose. The first in her family to graduate from a U.S. university, she spent over a decade in corporate leadership before leaving a six-figure career to redefine success on her own terms. Today, Nicole helps others honor their heritage while building lives rooted in intention, alignment, and fulfillment.Connect with Nicole Cruz: IG, FB, and Tiktok: @nicolecruzcoachinghttps://nicolecruzcoaching.com/Connect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@[email protected]/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit:DayNigthMorning from Pixabay invitation-no-copyright-music-388387
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Bonus Episode: The Best Lessons of Season One
Episode Overview: As Season One of Courage Class comes to a close, I’m reflecting on the collective insights that emerged.This season explored wellness, leadership, and identity through an Asian and Asian American lens, centering conversations on:· rest and burnout· honoring elders while choosing our own path· culturally attuned mental health care· developing our voice in community· creativity and mentorshipSomething that kept coming up again and again: honoring our cultural history and evolving beyond survival-based patterns are not mutually exclusive. In fact, meaningful progress requires both.Thank you to the guests and community members who contributed their voices and lived experiences. This work reinforces the importance of culturally grounded spaces for reflection, healing, and growth and the impact Courage Class can have. Now LFG 2026!
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Rising Together: Investing in the Next Generation of AAPI Girls and Women
Episode Overview:Lindsay sits down with ASPIRE (Asian SistersParticipating in Reaching Excellence) leaders Sophia Lai (Board Chair) and Michelle Chen (former Program Manager, Youth Leadership Program) to explore what it takes to nurture the next generation of AAPI girls and women.They discuss the cultural and structural challenges AAPI girls face, why identity-rooted mentorship matters, and how ASPIRE’s programs turn mentees into mentors—creating a self-sustaining pipeline of leadership, sisterhood, and belonging. Listeners gain insight into how they get involved and support this vital initiative. GuestsSophia Lai, Board Chair - Former director of the 2019 Asian American Women in Leadership Conference; longtime volunteer and builder of mentorship ecosystemsMichelle Chen, (former) Youth Leadership Program Manager - Led cohorts, cultivated safe spaces, and watched mentees return as mentors and conference volunteersAbout ASPIREASPIRE empowers Asian American girls and women through identity development, mentorship, and education. Programs include the Youth Leadership Program (YLP), professional mentorship tracks, and community-based initiatives. Alumni frequently return as mentors, creating a tiered, intergenerational network that compounds impact.Episode Guide00:34 Welcoming ASPIRE Leaders + Leadership Pathways07:16 Challenges Faced by AAPI Women16:27 Importance of Mentorship20:06 ASPIRE's Unique Programs22:06 Diverse Experiences in ASPIRE22:22 A Success Story: From Student to Mentor25:09 The Impact of ASPIRE's Mentorship28:00 How to Get Involved with ASPIRE29:29 Qualities of an Ideal Mentor32:30 Future Plans for ASPIRE33:19 Personal Reflections on Mentorship36:51 Rapid Fire QuestionsConnect with ASPIREWebsite: www.girlsaspire.orgEmail: [email protected]: @girlsaspireConnect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@[email protected]/podcastSign up for Courage ClassNotes, a weekly newsletter: https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit:DayNigthMorning from Pixabayinvitation-no-copyright-music-388387
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Beyond the Numbers: Rethinking Math for AAPI Learners
Episode Overview:Dr. Theodore Sagun - professor, researcher, and teacher educator at UCLA - joins us to dismantle the “natural math genius” myth and paint a picture of culturally responsive math instruction where students’ identities, languages, and thinking are at the center.What you learn:How to spot a healthy, challenging math classroom: daily check-ins, multiple ways to participate, and tasks that value reasoning over rote speed.The real harm of timed tests and tracking - and how they shape fixed beliefs about "being smart".Culturally responsive teaching in math: swapping textbook contexts for ones that reflect students' lives, languages, and communities.Productive struggle as a life skill: how to help kids grapple, reflect, and collaborate instead of rushing to the answer. Parent toolkits: questions to ask at home and at school to encourage discourse and understand what's happening in class. Teacher-Family Partnerships: building trust and dialogue without demonizing teachers who are already carrying a heavy load. Episode Breakdown:04:18 Theodore's Upbringing and Early Math Experiences08:05 Messages About Math Success and Intelligence12:12 Culturally Responsive Math Instruction14:15 Challenges with Standardized Testing andCurriculum22:01 The Model Minority Myth25:41 Defining a Culturally Responsive Math Classroom29:35 Rethinking Math Instruction: Humanizing theClassroom30:16 Engaging Students in Diverse Learning Experiences32:03 The Role of Teachers in a Responsive MathClassroom36:53 The Concept of Productive Struggle in Math40:59 Encouraging Productive Struggle at Home47:47 Building Relationships with Teachers for BetterMath Learning56:12 Final Thoughts and Upcoming Projects About Dr. Theodore Sagun: Dr. Theodore Sagun is a professor, researcher, and teacher educator at UCLA where he has worked with countless pre-service teachers in the teacher education program.He is the co-author of Equity Moves to Support Multilingual Learners in Mathematics and Science, Grades K-8. He is a former high school mathematics teacher and Associate Director of the UCLA Mathematics Project and has trained countless in-service and pre-service teachers to center student thinking in math and culturally relevant practices.At the California state level, Theodore has twice been appointed to California's Mathematics Curriculum Framework and Evaluation Criteria Committee, helping to shape the direction of math education for millions of students across the state of California. How to connect with Dr. Sagun:https://www.linkedin.com/in/theodore-sagun-55b97518/Connect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@courageclasspod@drlindsaykwockhuwww.drlindsaykwockhu.com/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit:DayNigthMorning from Pixabayinvitation-no-copyright-music-388387
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Redefining Asian Masculinity and Mental Health
Episode Overview:Lindsay speaks with Samuel Shin, a licensed therapist, coach, and men's group facilitator. Samuel is known for his exceptional work in helping Asian men overcome cultural stigmas, heal, and step into their authentic selves. The discussion explores the unique pressures faced by Asian men in Western and Asian societies, common emotional and identity struggles, and Samuel's transformative PIE method (Process, Integration, Embodiment) for healing. The episode also delves into Samuel's personal journey, the cultural and systemic factors affecting Asian men, and practical steps for men to start exploring vulnerability and emotional expression. Lindsay and Samuel also discuss insights for partners looking to support the men in their lives better. This is a deeply inspiring and informative conversation for anyone looking to understand and support the mental health of Asian men.Episode Breakdown00:42 Meet Samuel Shin02:50 Samuel's Journey to Men's Mental Health05:33 Exploring Masculinity and Emotional Struggles08:40 Holistic Healing and Alternative Therapies12:00 Common Struggles of Asian Men23:10 Systemic Issues and Societal Pressures26:38 Samuel's Therapeutic and Coaching Methodology28:21 Understanding the Root of Personal Struggles29:42 The Process of Transformation: PIE Method30:59 Challenges Men Face in Seeking Help32:55 Creating Safe Spaces for Men35:08 Building Trust and Vulnerability in Relationships40:38 Breakthrough Moments and Transformations44:28 Embodying Divine Masculinity50:28 Practical Steps for Exploring Vulnerability55:56 Final Thoughts and Upcoming ProjectsAbout Samuel Shin: Samuel Shin, is a Licensed Psychotherapist, Certified Personal Development Coach, Certified Men's Work Facilitator and host of Samuel and Friends Heal the World, a podcast spreading the message of healing and transformation for the world. In his clinical work, he helps Asian men break free from cultural stigma, heal, and step into an authentic, empowered masculinity. He is also the founder of the Mindful Masculine, an 8 week program designed to help Asian men heal past trauma, build emotional resilience, and discover a more balanced, authentic masculinity using culturally responsive methods.How to connect with SamuelIG: @samuelshin.coWebsite: www.samuelshin.coConnect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@courageclasspod@drlindsaykwockhuwww.drlindsaykwockhu.com/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit:DayNigthMorning from Pixabayinvitation-no-copyright-music-388387
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Second Spring: Reclaiming Menopause and Perimenopause
Episode Overview:In this powerful conversation, Dr. Tamsin Lee guides us through the foundational principles of East Asian Medicine, showing how concepts like yin and yang can transform the way we experience midlife, aging, and womanhood.We talk about how Western medicine tries to ‘fix’ menopause, while East Asian Medicine sees it as a natural evolution - an opportunity for recalibration, reflection, and growth. From decolonizing our beliefs about aging to practical daily rituals that align with the seasons, this episode is both grounding and deeply liberating.Tamsin also reminds us that rest and rejuvenation are not the same and that true healing starts when we listen to our own body’s messages instead of chasing external prescriptions.Whether you’re entering perimenopause, post-menopause, or simply navigating midlife transformation, this conversation will leave you with language, tools, and hope.Episode Outline 02:00 Yin and yang explained as dynamic, interdependent forces08:00 From paralysis to acupuncture to rediscovering her calling16:00 How menopause is pathologized in the West and honored in the East24:00 Seeing aging, race, class, and capitalism as interconnected32:00 Menopause as renewal, transformation, and creative power40:00 Feeling sadness as a sacred step toward compassion48:00 Learning to read your body’s signals; advocating for yourself55:00 Breathing meditation, sensory awakening, and daily awareness1:03:00 Aligning life rhythms with autumn and winter energies1:11:00 What actually restores you vs. what simply stops you1:18:00 Facing fear and rediscovering power in community1:25:00 Practicing kindness to self; remembering the blood holds memory1:32:00 Self-trust, cultural connection, and choosing curiosity over fear About Dr. Tamsin LeeDr. Tamsin Lee is a Daoist metaphysical expert with over a decade of experience as an East Asian medicine doctor, public health researcher, and teaching artist. As the founder of Elemental Archetypes, she helps people reclaim ancestral wisdom through East Asian metaphysics, Daoist healing, and embodied ritual. On a weekly basis, she delivers hope and wisdom to her over 16,000 social media followers on how to lean into perimenopause and menopause with grace, power, and kindness. Connect with Dr. Tamsin LeeIG and Tiktok: @drtamsinleeConnect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@courageclasspod@drlindsaykwockhuwww.drlindsaykwockhu.com/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning from Pixabayinvitation-no-copyright-music-388387Disclaimer: Courage Class with Dr. Lindsay Kwock Hu and content posted by Dr. Lindsay Kwock Hu is presented solely for general informational, educational, and entertainment purposes. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast or website is at the user’s own risk. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical or mental health condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions.
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Rest is Not the Opposite of Ambition: Lessons from a 6-month Sabbatical
Episode Overview:In this deeply personal episode, Lindsay sits down with her husband Mike to talk about something that’s often overlooked in ambitious careers: rest. Mike shares his journey from UCLA to management consulting, to London Business School, and eventually to a leadership role in real estate private equity—before making the courageous decision to step away for a six-month sabbatical.Together, they explore how cultural expectations, family responsibilities, and relentless work habits shaped his views on success—and why choosing to pause became one ofthe bravest decisions of his life.What You’ll Learn:· Why high achievers struggle with the idea of rest—and why it’s not a lack of ambition.· How the regret minimization framework (from Jeff Bezos) helped Mike decide to take a sabbatical.· The cultural influences (Asian, Western, corporate) that make rest feel like weakness—and how to reframe it.· What surprised Mike most about stepping away from work for the first time in decades.· Why redefining success means balancing ambition with family, health, and joy.Episode Breakdown01:26 Introducing Mike's Sabbatical02:32 Mike's Career Journey06:11 Balancing Work and Family08:26 The Decision to Take a Sabbatical11:21 Cultural Expectations and Work Ethic17:08 Reflections on the Sabbatical39:47 Advice for Young Parents43:15 Final Thoughts and Gratitude Connect with Mike HuIG: @mikehu_bruinConnect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@courageclasspod@drlindsaykwockhuwww.drlindsaykwockhu.com/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning from Pixabayinvitation-no-copyright-music-388387Disclaimer: Courage Class with Dr. Lindsay Kwock Hu and content posted by Dr. Lindsay Kwock Hu is presented solely for general informational, educational, and entertainment purposes. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast or website isat the user’s own risk. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of aphysician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical or mental health condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions.
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Living the Life They Didn't Choose For You - Creativity, Rest, and Partnership as Asian Americans
Episode Overview:In this episode of Courage Class, Lindsay is joined by her husband Mike and their close friends Alice Teng (Executive Director of Asia Week New York, independent curator) and Jon Eng (banking professional and actor - catch him on episodes of Grey's Anatomy, Seal Team, 911 to name a few). Together, Alice and Jon share their journey of leaving “safe” careers to pursue creativity, authenticity, and rest - while navigating cultural expectations and building a supportive marriage.This conversation is for anyone who has ever felt torn between honoring their family’s sacrifices and pursuing their own path, and for couples who are considering what it looks like to live boldly, together.Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Introduction: Following Others' Dreams00:38 Meet the Guests: Alice and Jon's Bold Choices01:34 Alice's Journey: From Pre-Med to Art03:38 Jon's Path: From Business to Acting05:58 Family Reactions and Inner Courage09:12 Navigating Judgment and Building Community21:49 Reflections on Being an Only Child23:37 Networking and Building Relationships25:24 Taking a Sabbatical for Acting28:03 Parental Expectations and Career Choices35:58 Advice for Young Couples and IndividualsHow to connect with Jon, Alice and MikeIG Alice: @lalalandIG Jon: @jonnyforniaIG Mike: @mikehu_bruinConnect with Courage Class on TikTok,Instagram, YouTube:@courageclasspod@drlindsaykwockhuwww.drlindsaykwockhu.com/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weeklynewsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning fromPixabayinvitation-no-copyright-music-388387 Disclaimer: Courage Class with Dr. Lindsay Kwock Hu and content posted by Dr. Lindsay Kwock Hu is presented solely for general informational, educational, and entertainment purposes. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast or website isat the user’s own risk. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of aphysician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical or mental health condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions.
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Beyond the Box: Redefining Success as an Asian American
Episode Overview:In this episode, Lindsay sits down with Kyle Denman - Executive Director of Arts Bridging the Gap, award-winning fashion designer, and lifelong advocate for equity through creativity. Kyle shares his journey from being adopted from South Korea into a Midwest family, to becoming youth mayor of Cincinnati, to leading a nonprofit that empowers thousands of young people in Los Angeles through the arts.They talk about the challenges of being “othered,” the stereotypes Asian Americans often face, and how Kyle’s experiences in politics, education, and art have shaped his leadership style. Most importantly, Kyle reveals what it means to lead with love in a world that often rewards the opposite.If you’ve ever felt confined by other people’s expectations or questioned whether your voice matters, Kyle’s story will inspire you to create your own possibilities—and to help others do the same. Episode Outline00:00 – Introduction: Breaking Out of the BoxWhy Kyle represents possibility beyond traditional expectations.02:11 – Adoption, Identity, and Growing Up DifferentKyle’s story of being adopted from Korea and navigating life in the Midwest without role models who looked like him.07:28 – The Boxes People Put Us InStereotypes about Asian Americans and how Kyle learned he didn’t fit the “doctor, lawyer, engineer” mold.11:56 – Finding His Voice Through PoliticsFrom youth mayor of Cincinnati to national policy work—how Kyle defied assumptions of weakness.18:34 – Politics Meets FashionWhy political science and fashion design are more connected than you think.25:47 – Creating Safe Spaces to SpeakKyle’s early advocacy and how it shaped his belief in co-creating safe environments for young voices.32:15 – Arts Bridging the GapKyle’s work leading ABG to uplift thousands of young people in Los Angeles through visual, performing, and healing arts.44:02 – Expanding the Creative EconomyWhy ABG pays artists more than industry standards and how representation changes what young people believe is possible.53:40 – Leadership with LoveKyle’s philosophy of leading with love, protecting his team, and breaking traditional molds of leadership.1:04:28 – Shrinking to ExpandKyle’s reflections on times he felt he had to shrink—and how being “soft” can also be a form of strength.1:12:00 – Overcoming UnderestimationWhat it’s like to be a young, gay, Asian leader in the nonprofit space—and how Kyle deals with being underestimated.1:20:45 – Closing ReflectionsHow Kyle stays grounded in love, and what listeners can take away about finding their own voice.How to connect with Kyle Denman:www.kyledenman.com@thekyledenmanConnect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@courageclasspod@drlindsaykwockhuwww.drlindsaykwockhu.com/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit:DayNigthMorning from Pixabayinvitation-no-copyright-music-388387Hopeful-corporate-uplifting-and-inspiring-38939from Pixabay Disclaimer: Courage Class with Dr. Lindsay Kwock Hu and content posted by Dr. Lindsay Kwock Hu is presented solely for general informational, educational, and entertainment purposes. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast or website isat the user’s own risk. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of aphysician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical or mental health condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions.
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Your Pain is Valid: Breaking Free from Stereotypes of Asian Women
Warning: This episode discusses sexual violence and trauma and may be upsetting or triggering. It is not suitable for children. Please take care of yourself and pause if you need to.Episode Overview:In this powerful conversation Danielle Espinosa — therapist, PhD student, published scholar, and survivor — unpacks how historical colonialism and contemporary racialized sexual stereotypes make AAPI women more vulnerable to sexual violence, why silence persists in our communities, and concrete steps families and friends can take to prevent harm and support survivors. The episode blends trauma-informed research, clinical insight, and practical parenting strategies aimed at disrupting intergenerational patterns of shame.Chapter Outline 00:00 Opening question & validationDanielle validates pain and reminds survivors that their trauma is never their fault.01:00 Personal context & research introLindsay invites Danielle to introduce her research focus and key concepts.03:00 Colonialism as a root of racialized sexual violenceDanielle traces how militarized prostitution and colonial conquest created stereotypes (Lotus Blossom, Dragon Lady, etc.) that objectify Asian women.06:00 How stereotypes create vulnerability & microaggressionsDiscussion of how fetishization and assumptions of consent show up in pornography, workplace comments, and everyday microaggressions.09:00 Culture of shame and why silence enduresExplores shame-based cultural dynamics, victim-blaming, and why sexual violence becomes hidden or normalized in family structures.12:00 Denial, protection of assailants, and intergenerational traumaDanielle and the host discuss denial, protecting perpetrators within families, and how trauma is passed across generations as survival tactics.15:00 Parenting: teaching bodily autonomy and opening the conversationPractical, immediately actionable advice for parents: normalize saying “no,” teach bodily autonomy, and start imperfect conversations early.19:00 Culturally attuned, trauma-informed care & community healingWhy Western individual-focused therapy can fall short and how collective, community-based approaches (support groups, shared identity therapists) aid healing.22:00 How friends & family can support survivors right nowConcrete actions listeners can take: reassure survivors it’s not their fault, offer practical help (meals, meds, errands), and remove blame-laden questions.26:00 Broader systems: patriarchy, racial hegemony & sexual violenceDanielle zooms out to name the systemic forces (colonialism, patriarchy, racial entitlement) that sustain cycles of violence and where to focus change.29:00 Hope, resilience & ongoing workWhat gives Danielle hope: clients breaking cycles, generational change, and research into internalized racialized sexism — plus current projects.33:00 Closing & where to find DanielleContact and project info; invitation to plug into community resources and continue the conversation.How to connect with Danielle Espinosa, LMFT- Website: www.danielletherapy.com- Instagram: @danielletherapyConnect with Courage Class on TikTok,Instagram, YouTube:@courageclasspod@drlindsaykwockhuwww.drlindsaykwockhu.com/podcastMusic Credit:DayNigthMorning from Pixabayinvitation-no-copyright-music-388387Disclaimer: Courage Class with Dr. Lindsay Kwock Hu and content posted by Dr. Lindsay Kwock Hu is presented solely for general informational, educational, and entertainment purposes. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast or website isat the user’s own risk. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical or mental health condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions.
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Breaking the Cycle: Redefining Parenting for Ourselves and Our Kids with Dr. Laura Berssenbrugge
Episode Overview:In this episode of Courage Class, Lindsay speaks with Dr. Laura Berssenbrugge, a licensed clinical psychologist and Co-Founder of The Modern Asian Parent (MAP). Dr. Berssenbrugge shares her journey towards the founding of MAP, a movement and community aimed at merging cultural roots with modern parenting practices. Together, they discuss the importance of creating real sustainable change in parenting (hint: it starts with us), the strengths and challenges of traditional Asian values, and the significance of emotional resilience and validation in parenting. They also explore methods for addressing intergenerational trauma and the vital role of repair in family relationships. Gain invaluable insights on how to parent with a blend of Asian and Western approaches, honoring both cultural heritage and modern values.Episode Breakdown:00:34 Meet Dr. Laura Berssenbrugge02:10 Founding the Modern Asian Parent06:50 Parenting Values and Challenges09:26 Resilience and Well-Balanced Parenting22:45 The Importance of Self-Change in Parenting25:03 Understanding and Healing Intergenerational Trauma34:01 The Role of Apologies and Repair in Parenting41:00 Connecting with The Modern Asian ParentAbout Dr. Laura BerssenbruggeDr. Laura Berssenbrugge is a Hawaii- and New York-based child and adolescent clinical psychologist in private practice and a former middle school teacher. She works with individuals across the lifespan and specializes in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT), and evidence-based treatments for anxiety-related disorders (including Selective Mutism/ SM), mood disorders, OCD, PTSD, social skill and communication issues, and more. She is the creator of ‘Dr. Laura B’s Release, Regulate, & Relax Aromatherapy Inhaler Set,’ a DBT-inspired stress management tool designed to reduce physical and emotional stress at different emotional intensity levels. And the author of several workbooks, such as: "Beyond the Blush: A CBT Approach to Overcoming Social Anxiety.”Connect with Dr. Laura:https://www.drlaurab.com/IG: @drlaurabtherapyAbout The Modern Asian ParentThe Modern Asian Parent (MAP) believes in the power of intergenerational healing—honoring cultural roots while breaking harmful cycles to build healthier, more connected families for the future. Founded by two Asian American psychologists, MAP is a movement for parents of all backgrounds who want to raise emotionally healthy, resilient kids in cultures of pressure, perfectionism, and sacrifice.Redefine parenting in a way that honors our values and culture, while embracing the future. Together, they're creating a world where every child—and parent—feels supported, understood, and empowered to succeed.www.themodernasianparent.comIG: @themodernasianparentConnect with Courage Class on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube:@[email protected]/podcastSign up for Courage Class Notes, a weekly newsletter:https://dr-lindsay-kwock-hu.kit.com/980fac101aMusic Credit: DayNigthMorning from Pixabayinvitation-no-copyright-music-388387Disclaimer: Courage Class with Dr. Lindsay Kwock Hu and content posted by Dr. Lindsay Kwock Hu is presented solely for general informational, educational, and entertainment purposes. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast or website isat the user’s own risk. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of aphysician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical or mental health condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions.
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Therapy That Sees Us: Why Cultural Fit Matters in Mental Health with Dr. Ummul Kathawalla
Episode Overview:In this episode, Lindsay sits down with Dr. Ummul Kathawalla, a licensed clinical psychologist, professor, and researcher who specializes in culturally informed mental health care - and she’s here to explain what that means, why it matters for our community, and how it can transform the way we think about healing. This episode also includes a real-time demonstration of a culturally informed therapy session, offering listeners practical insight into what this approach feels like.Episode Breakdown: 00:34 – Why Culturally Informed Therapy?The host sets up the episode’s focus:what therapy could look like if it truly recognized our lived experiences, and introduces Dr. Ummul Kathawalla.01:51 – Meet Dr. Ummul KathawallaDr. Kathawalla’s credentials, background, and her work in culturally informed mental health care are introduced.10:03 – Applied Ethnic Minority PsychologyDefining the field, Dr. Kathawalla explains how research on discrimination, stress, and culture is translated into real-world interventions for minority communities.11:28 – What is Culture? Surface vs. Deep CultureA discussion on the difference between surface culture (holidays, language) and deep culture (values, beliefs, unspoken norms).12:36 – Why Cultural Context Matters in TherapyDr. Kathawalla explains why practitioners must consider each client’s unique cultural background and how it shapes their mental health.14:22 – Culturally Informed Care vs. Traditional TherapyContrasts culturally informed care (tailored, client-centered) with traditional models (one-size-fits-all, manualized), and discusses the importance of adaptability.16:34 – Blind Spots in Traditional TherapyExamples of how traditional therapy can pathologize cultural strengths or miss the real source of a client’s struggles, such as microaggressions.18:23 – The Asian Community: Stigma & NuancesExplores intergenerational expectations, bicultural stress, and how cultural beliefs can discourage seeking help.21:39 – Finding a Culturally Competent TherapistPractical advice for finding a therapist who is a good cultural fit, including what questions to ask and how to assess fit over several sessions.27:10 – Real-Time Mini Therapy DemonstrationA real-time, mini culturally informed therapy session: Lindsay shares her struggle with boundaries, guilt, and career vs. family expectations, and Dr. Kathawalla models a non-judgmental, listening-centered approach.45:55 – What Does Healing Look Like?Dr. Kathawalla describes healing as coherence between identity and values, being comfortable with nuance, and practicing self-compassion.49:35 – Breaking Generational CyclesHow culturally informed care can disrupt cycles of silence and shame, and help future generations live more authentically.53:30 – Resources & ClosingDr. Kathawalla shares how listeners can connect with her, her current projects, and the host reflects on the power of culturally attuned therapy. Find Dr. Kathawalla at:www.kirampsychology.comIG: @kirampsychologyMusic by DayNigthMorning from PixabayDisclaimer: Courage Class with Dr. Lindsay Kwock Hu and content posted by Dr. Lindsay Kwock Hu is presented solely for general informational, educational, and entertainment purposes. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast or website isat the user’s own risk. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical or mental health condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions.
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Courage Class brings Asian American voices to the center of health and wellness. Dr. Lindsay Kwock Hu interviews cultural trailblazers and creatives to explore identity, healing, cultural expectations and emotional well-being. We name the realities mainstream wellness ignores - like the tension of living between cultures - and create space for honest conversations about identity, healing, and success. Together, we’re building a new narrative of wellness, sharing stories, tools, and conversations that reflect who we are – not who we’re told to be.
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