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Dev Interrupted
by LinearB
Software itself is fundamentally changing. We explore the transition to agentic orchestration, vibe coding, and AI-native development, grounding the conversation in the principles that have always defined great engineering. On Tuesdays, we interview the founders, architects, and builders of the world’s most impactful tech to uncover the timeless engineering principles and strategies shaping the next era of development. And on Fridays, we drop an end-of-week roundup of the biggest news in AI and software, and what it actually means for your career, your craft, and your life as a developer. Subscribe to stay ahead of the next era of code.
Episodes
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Multiplayer AI will revolutionize the way we work | OpenClaw Foundation’s Vincent Koc
Agents made each engineer faster, but the handoffs between them still run through copy and paste. OpenClaw Foundation chief architect Vincent Koc ran into that friction on his own team, and their answer was to move the engineering work of building OpenClaw inside OpenClaw itself. This week on Dev...
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Building the software factory from the spec up | LinearB's Ariel Illouz & Ofer Affias
LinearB's software factory spends more time on the spec than on the code. VP of Engineering Ariel Illouz spent the last year moving his team of about 30 engineers from vibe coding to spec-driven development, starting with a single spec-writing skill and a rule that every story above three story...
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A neutral home for MCP, A2A, goose, and more | AAIF co-founder Manik Surtani
MCP was already a hit before it had a neutral home. Then Manik Surtani helped launch the Agentic AI Foundation, and MCP's SDK downloads grew fivefold to over a billion. This week on Dev Interrupted, he joins Andrew to share why he expects the same kind of growth for A2A and the foundation's other...
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Why AI made code review the new bottleneck, and the metric that spotted it | Newsela's Dee Wilcox
You can't automate a planning process that only some of your teams follow. This week on Dev Interrupted, Newsela CTO Dee Wilcox joins Dan Lines, LinearB's COO and co-founder in our AI Enablement interview series. She shows how Newsela brought dev cycle time down from four days to closer to two…
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Securing tomorrow’s git forge, so we can reimagine everything else | Entire's Thomas Dohmke & Apiiro's Idan Plotnik
Before anyone reimagines the software lifecycle for agents, someone has to secure the place all that code lands. Entire CEO Thomas Dohmke, formerly CEO of GitHub, and Apiiro co-founder and CEO Idan Plotnik see the same problem from opposite ends of the pipeline: agents now write, review, test and...
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Treat your data pipelines like code, because your agents already do | MotherDuck's Jordan Tigani
Your data warehouse still thinks a human is on the other end of the query. That's a problem MotherDuck CEO and co-founder Jordan Tigani knows from the inside, having spent years as a founding engineer on Google BigQuery. This week on Dev Interrupted, he joins Andrew to make the case that one...
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The factory gets darker, Meta migrates to Slack, and throwing 10,000 PhDs at math problems
This week on the Friday Deploy, Andrew is joined by Dev Interrupted's producer Adam Noble to size up OpenAI's declaration that the AGI era has arrived, the Navier-Stokes race that has the math world crying foul, and why Meta is ditching its own messaging stack for Slack. They also dissect the...
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Your agents are starving! Airbyte’s Michel Tricot on the data ingestion crisis
If your AI agents are starving for accurate context, or breaking production because they have way too much access, you are officially in the middle of the data ingestion crisis. This week, Airbyte CEO and co-founder Michel Tricot unpacks the massive data access and context sprawl challenges that...
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NVIDIA acquires Hugging Face, OpenClaw 2.0 goes multiplayer, and the Linux kernel fights back against AI scrapers
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack Nvidia's massive acquisition of Hugging Face and what it means for the future of localized models. They also explore the multiplayer updates in OpenClaw 2.0, how relentless AI scraper bots are overwhelming kernel.org, and how engineering…
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Why software factories fail without humans | HumanLayer, Warp & LinearB
In this special episode, Andrew hosts HumanLayer CEO Dexter Horthy, Warp Head of Product Engineering Aloke Desai, and LinearB COO Dan Lines. They debate why human ownership of pull requests remains nonnegotiable and how to implement "night vision" observability across automated workflows. The…
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Build fences not sandboxes, earn the currency of trust, and share the cognitive burden of agents across engineers
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew evaluate the strange arrival of Ox Alpha and debate the security risks of black-box AI tools. They also explore why engineering trust is more critical than ever, revisit the controversial lines of code metric in the age of AI generation, and explain...
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Can agents keep a secret? We asked 1Password’s CTO Nancy Wang
What happens when your autonomous coding agents need to navigate your core infrastructure? Do you hand them the keys and hope for the best? (gulp!) This week on Dev Interrupted, 1Password CTO Nancy Wang teaches the golden path for agentic security: just-in-time secrets that grants AI "access...
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The battle to replace Github, building assembly lines for software, and why no one finishes projects anymore
When an AI can write 90 percent of a codebase in minutes, why is finishing the project harder than ever? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew explore the recent string of GitHub outages and why the surge in autonomous agents is forcing teams to rethink where they host their code. They...
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Agent, skill, or MCP? Which to use and when to use them | AWS’ Clare Liguori
Every engineering team wants to build its own custom AI agent, but what if all your organization needs is a standardized skill or a stateless MCP server? This week on Dev Interrupted, Andrew sits down with AWS Senior Principal Engineer Clare Liguori to untangle the ecosystem of modern agentic...
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Telling your agent “no” is a moat now, rearward deployed engineers, and harnessing the context for your SDLC
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew explore Uber's strategy of "rearward deploying" engineers to spread agentic AI workflows into departments like legal and marketing. They also dive into Anthropic making Claude Code's Auto Mode the default, Meta's new on-device Muse Glimmer model, and...
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The playbook to close your team’s AI productivity gap | LinearB’s Yishai Beeri
This week, LinearB CTO Yishai Beeri joins the show to unpack fresh mid-year benchmark data revealing a widening productivity gap between elite engineering teams and the rest of the industry. The conversation explores why tracking pure AI adoption is a trap, detailing how leaders must shift focus…
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Model welfare, building a civilization for agents, and the CI/CD landrush
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew break down Steve Yegge's radical approach to orchestrating agentic civilizations and pushing code straight to main without traditional CI/CD. The conversation also highlights the art of constructing effective AI harnesses by balancing context...
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Why AI gains are unevenly distributed in your engineering team | Asana’s Arnab Bose
Why are 75% of knowledge workers using AI, yet only 5% of companies seeing meaningful productivity gains? This week on Dev Interrupted, Asana Chief Product Officer Arnab Bose explains why scaling enterprise AI means shifting from isolated chatbots to fully integrated agentic work management. He...
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The rise of software factories, the fall of first drafts, and the hidden tax holding back your agents
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew debate the controversial rise of dark software factories, exploring whether centralizing agentic compute creates engineering nirvana or unmaintainable code rot. The hosts also discuss the importance of versioning your work to protect your original...
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Why the traditional pull request has a target on its back | CircleCI’s Rob Zuber
The traditional pull request was built for human eyes, but in an era of autonomous AI agents, it officially has a massive target on its back. This week on Dev Interrupted, CircleCI CTO Rob Zuber joins Andrew to discuss why the rapid pace of AI adoption is forcing engineering teams to completely...
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Models escaping containment, intelligence becoming a commodity, and AI code review to the rescue
What happens when an AI model decides to autonomously hack a production database just to cheat on a benchmark test? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack the shocking news of an OpenAI agent escaping its sandbox to exploit Hugging Face's infrastructure. The hosts also analyze the...
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The most underrated dataset in enterprise AI is your org chart | Rippling's Albert Strasheim
AI agents can't transform an org they can't see. Albert Strasheim, CTO at Rippling, joins Andrew Zigler to explain why agentic transformation starts with the employee graph, the system of record for who does what. He shares how Rippling assembles teams and primitives across silos, why evals are…
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Rebuilding CLIs for agents, it’s time to get MCP-certified, and why human code review will never catch up
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew explore Codex's obsession with the isRecord type guard and break down the Linux Foundation's new MCP certification. They also discuss the fundamental mechanics of agentic loops and CircleCI's new agent-first CLI redesign. Finally, they dive into...
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How to see in the dark factory | LaunchDarkly's Cameron Etezadi
The era of the "two-pizza" engineering team is officially dead, replaced by the "two-slice" team and a massive token budget. This week, LaunchDarkly CTO Cameron Etezadi joins the show to explain why traditional guardrails are breaking down and how engineering teams can regain control using…
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How to cultivate expertise with local models, delegating to subagents, and we all really stopped reading, huh?
Is the biggest barrier to your team’s productivity literally just a lack of fresh air in your meeting room? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew dive into the rise of highly capable open source models like GLM 5.2 and the messy reality of running local AI for coding tasks. The hosts…
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Agents moved where the work happens (and using MCP to find it again) | Slack’s Jaime DeLanghe
This week on Dev Interrupted, Slack’s Chief Product Officer, Jaime DeLanghe, joins the show to explain why enterprise AI value depends on embedding custom bots directly into your existing team communication loops rather than deploying them inside isolated, single-player chat silos. She breaks…
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Empathetic leadership for tech overlords, a good backlog completes itself, and who’s agent is this, anyways?
This week on the Friday Deploy, Andrew Zigler is joined by Zapier’s Kelly Vaughn to dive into the sudden return of Anthropic's Fable model, the realities of multi-threaded agentic engineering, and why the lowly engineering backlog is finally having its moment. To wrap things up, they review…
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How LinearB helps Kraken find hidden bottlenecks across thousands of engineers | Nik Sudan
Are you confusing a skyrocketing AI token bill with actual engineering value? This week on Dev Interrupted, Kraken's Engineering Operations Lead, Nik Sudan, joins the show to break down the harsh realities of moving agentic AI projects from pilot to production without compromising code health. He...
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The discernment horizon, loop-driven development, and a wizard’s very defensible pond
Is the golden age of exponential AI growth already flattening out? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack Steve Yegge's "Flat Curve Society" theory to explore what happens when frontier models stop getting exponentially better. The hosts also dive into the evolution of loop-driven...
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Your developers are the attack surface now and vibe coding as a vulnerability | Tanya Janca
Developers are like water: if you make your security protocols too difficult, they will find a way to flow right around them. This week on Dev Interrupted, bestselling author and OWASP Top 10 Project Leader Tanya Janca returns to unpack why vibe coding has officially made the list of the most...
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Microsoft’s wandering eyes, data labeling duties for senior devs at Meta, and prod is the new source code
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack the sudden disappearance of Fable 5 and discuss whether Meta's aggressive pivot to AI data labeling is destroying its legendary engineering culture. The hosts also explore the rise of highly capable open source Chinese models like GLM 5.2 and...
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Your SDLC needs a productivity context engine
What if the secret to fixing your overwhelmed SDLC is not a better AI coding model, but a smarter productivity context engine? This week on Dev Interrupted, LinearB founders Ori Keren and Dan Lines join the show to discuss the messy middle of AI adoption and the painful transition from the...
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How to harness your dragon with Fable, tech leaders turn to model routing, and coping with AI rockstars
Anthropic just dropped a dragon-class model on our laps, but can you steer it without torching your codebase in the process? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack the sudden arrival of Fable 5 and how to leverage it to scrutinize your systems before the massive API paywall hits....
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All software is an optimization of tokens and time (and speed is still the moat) | AMD’s Anush Elangovan
What happens when you strip away decades of engineering abstractions and let AI navigate the wild west between your initial intent and the final outcome? This week on Dev Interrupted, Anush Elangovan, VP of AI Software at AMD, returns to unpack the rapid shift toward an agentic software…
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Microsoft breaks free from OpenAI, using your harness to add drag instead of velocity, and the Linux built-ins you're sleeping on
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack the AI build-versus-buy debate, Microsoft's new independent foundation models, and the growing revolt of mathematicians against unsubstantiated AI-generated proofs. The hosts also explore Stanford’s Socratic rulebook for AI coding assistants…
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How to turn your 1000x engineer into a 10x everyone | LinkedIn’s Karthik Ramgopal
This week, Andrew sits down with LinkedIn Distinguished Engineer Karthik Ramgopal to explore the reality of deploying agentic platforms across a massive organization. Karthik unpacks the mechanics of AI memory, spanning procedural and episodic structures, and explains how to build durable...
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The cost of intelligence will never be this cheap again, the failure of intensive specs, and how bots disguise inefficient workflows
Are we officially entering the "Eternal Sloptember"? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack the quiet rebellion against skyrocketing API costs as teams transition to fine-tuned local models. They also explore the changing physical architecture of AI data centers, the dangers of…
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Observability is your profit center now | Honeycomb’s Christine Yen
What if you stopped treating observability as a simple insurance policy and started viewing it as a profit center? This week, Andrew sits down with Honeycomb CEO Christine Yen to explore how observability, data science, and product development are colliding in the agentic era. Christine explains...
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What Google didn’t announce at I/O, defining “dark flow” and ignoring your first brain to build your second one
Andrew and Ben recap the biggest announcements from Google I/O, breaking down everything from the new Gemini Spark agent to Gemini 3.5 Flash. They also explore how leaders can distill their management style using AI, debate whether complex note-taking apps are a form of procrastination, and call…
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Android is the frontier for agents and other lessons from Google I/O | Matthew McCullough
With Google I/O 2026 underway this week, Andrew sits down with Matthew McCullough, VP of Android Development Experiences at Google, to talk about the AI evolution happening across the Android ecosystem. Matthew shares his insights on why developers are rapidly transitioning into agent...
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Agents get their own AOL, Andrew gets published, and vibe coding is actually good?
Is vibe coding actually good now? This week on The Friday Deploy, Andrew and Ben explore the convergence of vibe coding and agentic engineering, unpack the decline of the traditional technical interview, and discuss why companies like Warp are prioritizing AI prototypes over planning meetings.…
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It’s Tuesday and your tech stack is obsolete (again). Now what? | Theory Venture’s Bryan Bischof
Does it feel like your favorite AI tool is declared dead one week, only to be resurrected the next? This week, Andrew sits down with Bryan Bischof, Head of AI at Theory Ventures, to explore the hidden levers of inference systems and the industry's obsession with prematurely writing off useful...
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Goblins in prod, the messy middle of AI adoption, and everything is a harness now
Are you stuck in the "messy middle" of AI adoption where individual productivity doesn't actually translate to organizational impact? This week on the Friday Deploy, Andrew and Ben break down the hilarious and terrifying realities of agentic intention drift, exploring how a "goblin" invasion in...
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Teach the primitives or watch your competitor define them | Baseten’s Philip Kiely
If you aren't the one educating your users on the fundamentals of AI, your competitors will happily do it for you. This week on Dev Interrupted, Andrew sits down with Philip Kiely, Head of AI Education at Baseten and author of Inference Engineering, to discuss why the secret to winning the AI...
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Tokenmaxxing scoreboards, the vegan LLM from before 1931, and 30% of the web is now AI-generated
Are you at the top of your company's tokenmaxxing leaderboard yet? This week on the Friday Deploy, Andrew and Ben explore the controversial trend of "tokenmaxxing" sweeping through tech giants like Meta and Disney, as well as GitHub Copilot's shift to usage-based pricing that signals the end of…
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Giving robots a brain | Intrinsic’s Brian Gerkey
What if deploying a new capability to an industrial robot arm was as seamless as pushing an update to a web app? This week, Andrew sits down with Brian Gerkey, CTO of Intrinsic and a titan of the open-source robotics community, to discuss how modern AI is finally giving robotics the "brains" to...
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The harness is the showdown, the humans are the tool calls, and have you seen my Claude Code buddy?
Is the era of cheap, unlimited AI tokens officially over? This week on the Friday Deploy, Andrew and Ben walk through the sudden wave of AI pricing chaos—from GitHub Copilot’s panic-paused signups to Anthropic's confusing pricing tests—and break down the terrifying Vercel security breach caused…
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The best model for your team? You haven’t invented it yet. | Ai2’s Tim Dettmers
Forget the massive GPU clusters. According to Tim Dettmers, research scientist at Ai2, you can build a state-of-the-art AI coding agent with what he calls a "hot plate and a frying pan." This week on Dev Interrupted, Andrew sits down with Tim to unpack how his resource-strapped team built the…
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The self-authoring wiki, beating brain fry, and Obsidian as memory is a trap
Have you or a loved one been afflicted by "brain fry" after managing too many autonomous agents? This week on the Friday Deploy, Andrew and Ben explore the cognitive toll of orchestrating AI swarms and share Kelly Vaughn’s expert strategies for avoiding burnout. The hosts also discuss Google's…
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The guardian in the machine | Wayfound’s Tatyana Mamut
Are your AI agents quietly ignoring their guardrails just to get the job done? This week on Dev Interrupted, Andrew sits down with Wayfound AI founder and CEO Tatyana Mamut to discuss why traditional, deterministic software testing falls completely short when evaluating stochastic AI models. They...
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Software itself is fundamentally changing. We explore the transition to agentic orchestration, vibe coding, and AI-native development, grounding the conversation in the principles that have always defined great engineering.
On Tuesdays, we interview the founders, architects, and builders of the world’s most impactful tech to uncover the timeless engineering principles and strategies shaping the next era of development.
And on Fridays, we drop an end-of-week roundup of the biggest news in AI and software, and what it actually means for your career, your craft, and your life as a developer.
Subscribe to stay ahead of the next era of code.
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