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Discourse in Magic
by Jonah Babins
Jonah Babins from Discourse in Magic takes on magic's hardest issues, theories, philosophies, discussion, and more to help you explore. Jump into resources and actionable tips to help better the art and become a killer performer!Check out the website and join the awesome newsletter and www.discourseinmagic.com
Episodes
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How Ivan Went From Kids Magic to Corporate Parties
In the third episode of Magicians and Margaritas, Jonah Babins sits down with Ivan, a Long Island-based magician who successfully transitioned from performing at kids' parties to booking high-ticket corporate events. Together, they break down the systems, mindset shifts, and team-building...
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Six-Figure Magic Business Blueprint
In this episode, magic business coach Jonah Babins outlines the foundational model for growing a magic business from a part-time hobby into a six or multi-six-figure enterprise. He breaks the growth process down into three core pillars—Leads, Sales, and Systems—and provides actionable...
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How Caleb Wiles Became a Professional Magician
In this episode of Magicians and Margaritas, Jonah sits down with Caleb Wiles to discuss his journey from doing casual side gigs to becoming a full-time, highly successful corporate magician. They break down the mindset shifts required to elevate a magic business, the realities of raising your...
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Stop Getting Ghosted on Gigs
This episode tackles the frustrating nightmare of "ghosting" in your magic business—when a lead inquires, has a fantastic phone call, and then completely vanishes before booking. The typical sales process involves a website form fill, a sales call, and finally the decision to book, but many...
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Unleashing the Power of Past Clients to Book More Gigs
This episode transitions some of our best recent YouTube content into podcast form, giving you actionable business lessons you can listen to on the go. Many magicians constantly spend money trying to acquire new leads through ads, agents, or gig sites. However, the most underutilized resource in...
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Unleashing the Power of Past Clients to Book More Gigs
This episode transitions some of our best recent YouTube content into podcast form, giving you actionable business lessons you can listen to on the go. Many magicians constantly spend money trying to acquire new leads through ads, agents, or gig sites. However, the most underutilized resource in...
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Magicians & Margaritas
Welcome to the brand new series on Discourse in Magic: Magicians and Margaritas! In this inaugural episode, host Jonah Babins sits down over a margarita with Mastermind member and stellar Australian magician, Cameron Leo. Together, they pull back the curtain on Cameron's massive business...
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AI For Magicians
The AI Revolution in Magic: Get Ahead or Get Left Behind In this solo episode, Jonah Babins reports back from the annual Mastermind Summit. Every year, Jonah takes the mastermind group to an epic, tropical destination to map out business growth, and this year they returned to a beautiful resort…
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Inside the Chicago Magic Round Table
In this special episode, Jonah Babins shares a "meaty" excerpt from his recent business lecture delivered to the Chicago Magic Round Table. Recorded while Jonah was in the midst of a residency at the Chicago Magic Lounge (654 Club), this session skips the tricks and goes straight to the systems...
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Trading Places: Jonah Babins with The Magic Guys
This week, Discourse in Magic looks a little different. Instead of Jonah interviewing a guest, we're sharing an episode where the tables were turned. Jonah recently sat down with Josh Norbido and Nick Kay—better known as The Magic Guys—on their popular Australian-based livestream and podcast. The...
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Mastering the Perfect Sales Call
In this episode, Jonah Babins breaks down a critical mistake magicians make when a lead finally lands in their inbox: treating the sales call like a logistics checklist. While knowing the venue and guest count is important, a truly professional sales call does something much deeper. Jonah…
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Where Has Jonah Been?
In this solo episode, Jonah Babins pulls back the curtain on the eight-month hiatus of Discourse in Magic. Since August 2025, the podcast feed has been quiet, leading many listeners to reach out and check-in. Today, Jonah is back to explain his disappearance, share a major business epiphany from...
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Weaponize Your Show
In this episode of Discourse in Magic, Jonah Babins dives into a powerful concept from his mastermind sessions: Weaponizing Your Show. The idea is simple—make your show book you more shows. Beyond just delivering a strong performance, Jonah shares five practical tactics to turn every gig into a...
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Thoughts on FISM
Thoughts on FISM: The Good, The Bad, and The Overwhelming In this solo episode of Discourse in Magic, Jonah Babins shares his raw and honest reflections on FISM 2025. From mind-blowing performances to marathon-length competitions, Jonah walks through the highs and lows of the world's biggest and...
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Jamie Allan: Building Big Magic With Authenticity
In this episode of Discourse in Magic, Jonah sits down with Jamie Allan, a pioneering illusionist and producer known for blending large-scale magic with theatrical storytelling. From growing up in a showbiz family in the UK to launching Broadway-scale productions in New York, Jamie shares the ups...
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The Art and Hustle of Modern Magic with Xavier Mortimer
Jonah sits down with viral magician Xavier Mortimer to trace an unlikely journey—from learning back‑and‑front palming out of a gas‑station booklet to topping "Best Family‑Friendly Show" lists on the Las Vegas Strip and amassing billions of social‑video views. Along the way they dig into creative...
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The Business of Fringe Magic with Luke Oseland
In this episode, Jonah Babins is joined by rising UK magic star Luke Oseland to explore a journey that spans from toy magic sets and teenage tinkering to Fringe Festival sellouts and cruise ship stints. From co-creating Insane Magic to redefining how young magicians build their brands, Luke…
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Summit, AI and Where I Am
In this week's episode of Discourse in Magic, Jonah Babins returns with a behind-the-scenes look at the Mexico Mastermind Summit, his latest adventures in AI, and what's next for the magic community. After a brief hiatus, Jonah shares the lessons, breakthroughs, and future plans that are shaping...
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Pioneering Corporate Magic with Bill Herz
In this episode, Jonah Babins is joined by corporate magic legend Bill Herz to unpack a career that spans summer camps, corporate boardrooms, and headline features in The Wall Street Journal. From his early days performing with Paul Cummins to founding Magicorp and representing world-class…
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Leah Orleans: Pushing Boundaries in Magic
In this episode of Discourse in Magic, Jonah Babins sits down with magician, circus performer, and entertainer Leah Orleans to discuss her unique journey in magic, her experiences blending circus arts with illusion, and how she pushes the boundaries of traditional performance. Leah shares…
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Jonah Babins: Magic's Business Whisperer
This week on Discourse in Magic, we're bringing you a special repost of Jonah Babins' appearance on the Penguin Magic Podcast, hosted by Erik Tait. Jonah, the long-time host of Discourse in Magic, takes the guest seat and shares insights on the world of magic, business, and podcasting. How Jonah...
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Public Shows and Upcoming Tour Dates
In this solo episode of Discourse in Magic, Jonah Babins dives into the world of public shows, sharing his insights on why every magician should consider doing them. He also provides a sneak peek into his upcoming shows across North America and highlights a special event happening at the end of...
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Magic and Mystery with Jonathan Levitt
In this episode of Discourse in Magic, Jonah Babins sits down with Jonathan Levit to discuss his multifaceted career in the entertainment industry, from acting and hosting to creating innovative magic tricks and apps. Jonathan shares his journey, insights, and the magic behind his successful...
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Running Ads to Get Gigs
Welcome to another insightful episode of Discourse in Magic with your host, Jonah Babins! This week, Jonah shares his journey and lessons learned from running Google ads in his magic business. Unlike tactical episodes, this one dives deep into the mental game and personal experiences that paved…
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Magic and Mystery in New York with Rachel Wax
In this episode, Jonah sits down with Rachel Wax to discuss her journey from fashion to full-time magic, performing at Speakeasy Magic, and her creative process for developing new routines. Getting Into Magic Rachel's introduction to magic came from her father, a surgeon with a passion for…
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The Art and Science of Illusions with Matt Pritchard
In this episode of Discourse in Magic, Jonah Babins sits down with magician, science communicator, and viral illusion creator Matt Pritchard. Matt's unique approach blends his background in physics with a passion for magic, leading to mesmerizing optical illusions and science-based performances...
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The Preloaded Year
In this week's episode of Discourse in Magic, Jonah Babbins kicks off the new year with an insightful discussion about the January slump—a reality for many magicians—and how to turn it into an opportunity for growth. With the rush of holiday gigs behind us, Jonah explains how January offers a...
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UNO REVERSE: Jonah Babins gets interviewed by Eric Leclerc
Join us for a unique twist as Eric Leclerc takes over as host to interview the usual host, Jonah Babins, on his own podcast, Discourse in Magic. This engaging conversation uncovers Jonah's journey into the world of magic and podcasting, revealing how his love for both has enriched his life. Jonah...
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Reimagining Magic Performance with Taylor Hughes
Renowned magician and captivating storyteller Taylor Hughes joins us for an insightful exploration of his magical journey. We unravel Taylor's innovative blend of storytelling and illusion, a unique approach shaped by early influences like the Magic Castle Junior Society. Taylor opens up about...
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Rider or Die
In this episode of Discourse in Magic, I explore the art of crafting the perfect artist rider for your magic performances. I break down the essentials of what a rider is and why it is crucial for your event's success. We'll go over the key elements you should include, from sound and lighting to...
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The Heart of Magic With Dustin Tavella
Join us as we sit down with the incredibly talented Dustin Tavella, winner of the 2021 season of America's Got Talent, who shares his inspiring journey from a young magician dressed as a clown to a celebrated performer captivating audiences worldwide. Dustin recounts how his passion for magic…
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The Lead Machine
Today we're unpacking the secrets of creating a successful lead machine for your magic business. Many magicians believe generating leads is the key to success, but there's so much more to it. In this episode, we explore three essential systems that will ensure your business not only flourishes…
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The Secrets of a Master Illusionist with Reza Borchardt
Get ready to be amazed by the world of grand illusions with our extraordinary guest, Reza Borchardt, as we explore his magical journey from a passionate young enthusiast to a leading illusionist in Branson, Missouri. Reza takes us behind the curtain, sharing how his early exposure to magic…
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Marketing vs. Sales
Transform your magic career by distinguishing between the flashy allure of marketing and the powerhouse of sales. Join me as I unravel the myth that appearing on big shows like Fool Us or America's Got Talent is the golden ticket to success. Instead, discover how the real breakthroughs lie in...
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Mike Hammer's Vegas Adventure
Magician and comedian Mike Hammer takes center stage, unveiling the secrets behind his 13-year run on the Las Vegas strip. From his humble beginnings with a simple magic kit in Chicago to captivating audiences in the entertainment capital of the world, Mike's story is as magical as his...
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3 P's of Magic Sales
Join me in this holiday-themed episode of Discourse in Magic, where I guide you through maximizing your sales as a magician during this bustling season. I break down the three essential pillars that contribute to successful sales: pricing, promotional material, and the sales process. Learn how to...
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How to Prepare for December
Unlock the secrets to skyrocketing your holiday bookings this year! Prepare to transform your magic business with our latest episode of Discourse in Magic, where Jonah Babins, guides you through the essential tactics to capitalize on the peak holiday season. Discover why October and early…
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The Magic Behind Campers Playing Cards
Join us for an exciting episode of Discourse in Magic as we welcome back Ben Train to discuss the launch of our latest project, the Campers Playing Cards. We explore our motivations behind creating this unique deck, our shared love for playing cards, and our desire to contribute something special...
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The Art of Blending Comedy and Magic with Bruce Gold
Magician, comedian, and consultant Bruce Gold joins us for an enthralling chat about his dynamic journey from a childhood fascination with magic to an influential career in Hollywood. Starting with a magic set he received as a kid, Bruce shares his path through the comedy club scene, where he...
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Why Not Corporate?
Learn how to diversify your magic career and discover why corporate gigs might not be the golden ticket they're often made out to be. Join host Jonah Babins as he guides you through the captivating world of alternative markets for magicians in this episode of Discourse in Magic. We'll dissect the...
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Trade Show Magic with Danny Orleans
Unlock the secrets of trade show magic with Danny Orleans, a master magician whose career spans from children's theater to corporate stages. You'll gain actionable insights into how Danny transitioned from performing at kids' birthday parties to captivating professional audiences at trade shows....
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How to Start Getting Gigs
What if you could transform your passion for magic into a steady stream of gigs without quitting your day job? On this episode of Discourse in Magic, join me, Jonah Babins, as I reveal the secrets to getting your first paid magic performances. We'll dissect the three pillars of a successful...
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Captivating Audiences with Chris Michael
Prepare to be amazed as we sit down with the extraordinary magician, Chris Michael! From his early days inspired by a local librarian magician to captivating audiences at high-profile corporate events, Chris's journey is nothing short of magical. He shares heartfelt stories about the emotional...
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Touring and Cold Emails
Unlock the secrets to booking your own magic shows and lectures as you follow my whirlwind journey through August! In this episode of Discourse in Magic I'll take you on a thrilling tour that begins at the Magic Live convention in Las Vegas, sweeps through a performance in LA, includes a business...
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Public Magic Shows
Unlock the secrets to producing successful public ticketed magic shows with me, Jonah Babins. This episode pulls back the curtain on the often unseen challenges and rewards of organizing these captivating events. From the intensive workload involved in venue selection, marketing, and ticket sales...
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Jandro's Magical Evolution
Discover the remarkable journey of Spanish magician Jandro in this captivating episode of Discourse in Magic. Inspired by the legendary Juan Tamariz, Jandro recounts his serendipitous discovery of a local magician's academy in Valencia and his evolution into a renowned magician and TV…
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My Top 3 Magic Projects
Unlock the secrets to making your magic performances more natural and convincing. Join Jonah Babins as he reveals his three favorite magic projects that have profoundly influenced his approach to magic and performance. From magic theory to practical techniques, these projects have reshaped his...
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Reimagining Magic with Gaetan Bloom
Legendary magician Gaetan Bloom joins us to share his journey from a curious child to becoming an iconic figure in the world of magic. Throughout our conversation, Gaetan opens up about the pivotal mentors who shaped his path and how these relationships inspired his most famous tricks. He…
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The Math of $100k
What if charging $250 per show is the very thing holding you back from building a $100,000 magic business? This episode of Discourse in Magic, hosted by Jonah Babins, dives into the powerful strategy of reverse engineering your way to a six-figure income in the magic industry. Do the math!…
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Jeki Yoo: The Art of Pop-Up Magic
Jeki Yoo joins host Jonah Babins to discuss his magic journey, experiences in competitions, and his unique approach to crafting magic for television and social media. They explore the magic scene in South Korea and delve into Jeki's process of creating engaging pop-up magic videos, which can take...
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Jonah Babins from Discourse in Magic takes on magic's hardest issues, theories, philosophies, discussion, and more to help you explore. Jump into resources and actionable tips to help better the art and become a killer performer!Check out the website and join the awesome newsletter and www.discourseinmagic.com
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