Elevator Systems - Bowen Family Systems Theory

Today’s episode looks at religion and relationships. We are diving into a hot topic and seeing how Bowen family systems theory is a resource to thinking about and observing religion and how people function around religion - within and between religious communities. Matt Steele joins us to share his thinking and experience on the topic. Matt Steele is a Bowen theory coach and pastoral supervisor who grew up in Sydney Australia. Matt is also an ordained Anglican minister and worked in a range of church ministry roles before shifting into his current work. Matt is an associate faculty member at the Family Systems Institute in Australia and now works primarily with Christian pastors, leaders and communities through his business changeroom. Last year he delivered the keynote talks at the Family Systems Institute’s Systems In Ministry Symposium titled, The Emotional Ecosystem of Ministry: Navigating The Relationship Jungle Without Becoming a Predator Or Being Eaten Alive.Resources:changeroom: http://changeroom.au/FSI Ministry Symposium recording Dr. Bowen 1966 letter, The Murray Bowen Archives ProjectRabbi Edwin Friedman: Generation to Generation Derek Thompson articleLiving Systems programs: https://livingsystems.ca/Thriving in Ministry conference recording: https://www.thebowencenter.org/conferencesWant to speak with a counsellor? Click hereBuy us a “coffee” at https://ko-fi.com/elevatorsystems and support the production of the podcast!Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1, 2 & 3Season 4 episodes are released every two weeks.Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts. Like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caKey Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #SystemsThinking #HotTopics #Religion #Faith #Belief #Doubt #Questions #SpiritualGrowth #Differences #LifeTogether #Congregations #Church #God #Christianity #FaithCommunity #Community #Friedman #Mindfulness #Values #MentalHealth #Relationships #TherapyPodcast #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #Therapy #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcastDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk

What does Bowen family systems theory have to say about sports? A surprising amount! Amie Post is on the podcast again to think about the emotional processes of sports and how athletic performance can mirror relationship dynamics. Learn more on how automatic reactions, anxiety, and differentiation of self influence both the game and real-world relationships, offering insights into personal growth and group functioning.Amie Post, MA, LCMFT is a marriage and family therapist with extensive experience in leadership who began studying Bowen theory in 2001. She is the Interim Director of the Bowen Center for the Study of the Family in Washington, DC, as well as the Executive Director of the Center for Family Systems Theory of Western New York. Previously Amie held the role of Executive Director at the Family Crisis Center of Baltimore County. Amie is also a wife, mother, and grandmother.Resources:Dr. Bowen 1973 letter, The Murray Bowen Archives Project Dr. Bowen: Family Therapy in Clinical PracticeKathleen Smith, The Anxious OverachieverFamily Systems Forum The Bowen CenterThe Center for Family Systems Theory of Western New YorkCenter for Family Consultation (Chicago), Midwest Symposium informationWant to speak with a counsellor? Click hereBuy us a “coffee” at https://ko-fi.com/elevatorsystems and support the production of the podcast!Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1, 2 & 3Season 4 episodes are released every two weeks.Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts. Like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caKey Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #SystemsThinking #HotTopics #Sports #Team #Player #Athlete #Teamwork #Game #TedLasso #TomBrady #Football #Basketball #Schoolsports #TeamSports #Workout #Practice #Growth #Coaching #Coach #MentalHealth #AthleticPerformance #Relationships #TherapyPodcast #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #Therapy #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcastDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk

This episode is a conversation about culture and family expectations from a Bowen family system theory perspective. Counsellor Maybo Lui joins us to discuss how cultural norms and environmental contexts influence family expectations, and how curiosity and flexibility are important to better understanding one’s own perspective as well as the family narrative. Maybo Lui, MS, RCC is a Registered Clinical Counsellor and faculty member at Living Systems Counselling. She works mainly with adults and couples navigating relationship challenges, anxiety, and life direction. She has been studying Bowen Theory since 2015 and enjoys making these ideas more accessible through visuals and storytelling. Having grown up in a Chinese immigrant family, she often reflects on how family roles and cultural expectations influence how people show up and relate to each other. Resources:Maybo Lui’s practice: www.couplesontheroad.com Dr Murray Bowen, Commitment to Principles: https://murraybowenarchives.org/boyd-book/chapter-5/Peggy Chan: Bowen Theory, Culture and Therapeutic Applications to Asian Families, Australia and New Zealand Journal of Family Therapy, 2024.Kathleen Smith: Overfunctioning? Try Leaving Instructions for AliensCenter for Family Consultation (Chicago), Midwest Symposium informationWant to speak with a counsellor? Click hereBuy us a “coffee” at https://ko-fi.com/elevatorsystems and support the production of the podcast!Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1, 2 & 3Season 4 episodes are be released every two weeks.Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts. Like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caKey Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen # #SystemsThinking #Culture #Family #Expectations #Differences #Communication #FamilyStories #Narrative #Flexibility #MentalHealth #Relationships #TherapyPodcast #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #Therapy #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcastDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

In our latest podcast, we explore how Bowen family systems theory is useful in navigating the world of artificial intelligence and how artificial intelligence may inform Bowen theory. In a world increasingly influenced by artificial intelligence, understanding how we relate to technology is more important than ever. How does one go from jumping in the deep end or panicked avoidance to thoughtful engagement? Dr. Patrick Stinson, Psy.D. combines 25 years as a software architect with clinical training in family systems. He is a Doctor of Psychology who studied at the California Institute of Integral Studies and has done pre and post-doctoral internships at The Bowen Center in Washington, DC. Patrick founded Alaska Family Systems, developed the Family Diagram App, and is currently an AI Engineer/Architect at Micron Technology. His 2020 dissertation on problems in psychological science provides the intellectual foundation for this workResources:Alaska Family SystemsFamily Diagram AppDr. Stinson's Open Source ProjectsWant to speak with a counsellor? Click hereBuy us a “coffee” at https://ko-fi.com/elevatorsystems and support the production of the podcast!Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1, 2 & 3Season 4 episodes will be released every two weeks starting Tuesday March 3rd.Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts. Like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caKey Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen # #SystemsThinking #Polarization #Differences #HotTopics #AI #ArtificialIntelligence #Technology #TechEthics #Ethics #Values #CriticalThinking #SocietyChange #IndustrialRevolution #Communication #MentalHealth #Relationships #TherapyPodcast #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #Therapy #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcastDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk

Today’s episode explores the application of Bowen family systems theory in understanding mental health. Dr. Sam Stokesberry is our guest looking at the role of the counsellor in navigating their own emotional processes while supporting clients and differentiation of self in therapy. The discussion highlights a nuanced understanding of mental health that considers the interplay of individual and systemic factors.Samantha Stokesberry, PhD, LPC, NCC is a licensed professional counsellor, consultant, and speaker. Her professional path was shaped by four years living in South Africa, where playing professional soccer and coaching at a futsal academy led her into nonprofit work and her first real world exposure to the human trafficking industry. Today, she provides counselling to individuals and families in Texas and offers consultation and training services internationally. Sam specializes in working with trafficking survivors and their families, as well as families impacted by incest, sexual abuse, and chronic anxiety. Sam has trained at the Bowen Center for the Study of the Family and her doctoral research, which will be published this upcoming year, examines the relationships between differentiation of self, family unit functioning, and post-traumatic growth in adult female survivors of trafficking in the United States.Resources:Dr Sam Stokesberry’s practice Dr Michael Kerr - Bowen Theory’s SecretsDr Jenny Brown - Worry Cycle Podcast EpisodeKathleen Kerr - (1999). The Projection Process in Health Care Systems. Family Systems, 5(1).Stephanie Ferrera - (1999) What is help: a theoretical and personal perspective. Family Systems, 5(1).Stephanie Ferrera - The evolution of helping: from altruism to empathy to differentiation of self. In P. Titelman (Ed.) Differentiation of Self: Bowen Family Systems Theory Perspectives. Want to speak with a counsellor? Click hereBuy us a “coffee” at https://ko-fi.com/elevatorsystems and support the production of the podcast!Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1, 2 & 3Season 4 episodes will be released every two weeks starting Tuesday March 3rd.Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts. Like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caKey Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen # #SystemsThinking #Polarization #Differences #Trauma #HumanTrafficking #Abuse #Recovery #MentalHealth #Relationships #DifferentiationOfSelf #DifferentiationDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

To introduce Season 4, Dr. Barbara Laymon joins the podcast to discuss the complex dynamics of polarization and the interplay between individuality and togetherness as described in Bowen family systems theory. This episode explores what individuality and togetherness look like in relationships, the impact of societal pressures, and the importance of maturity in navigating differences. Examples, including the Bonhoeffer family, prairie dogs, COVID-19, and the Olympic Games, illustrate natural tendencies towards both cooperation and competition. The conversation offers practical takeaways for managing polarization in everyday life.Barbara Laymon, Ph.D. is a family systems consultant, a writer and a researcher. Her latest book, “All the Families of the Earth” is a fictional piece imagining family therapists at work behind the scenes of Biblical stories. Her most recent academic article involved a validated scale of congregational functioning, published in the Journal of Pastoral Psychology.Resources:Dr Barbara Laymon - All the Families of the Earth Dr Barbara Laymon - Measuring Congregational Functioning: A Scale Based Upon Bowen FamilySystems Theory, Journal of Pastoral PsychologyDr Ronald Richardson - Polarization and the Healthier ChurchDenmark “boxes" Commercial - All That We ShareWant to speak with a counsellor? Click hereBuy us a “coffee” at https://ko-fi.com/elevatorsystems and support the production of the podcast!Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1, 2 & 3Season 4 episodes will be released every two weeks starting Tuesday March 3rd.Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts. Like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caKey Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen # #SystemsThinking #Polarization #Differences #HotTopics #Communication #Individuality #Togetherness #Maturity #Bonhoeffer #COVID-19 #Evolution #Prairiedogs #Group #Groupdynamics #UsandThem #Competition #Cooperation #MentalHealth #Relationships #TherapyPodcast #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #Therapy #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcastDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Welcome to the Season 4 kickoff of Elevator Systems! In this episode, Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White share a sneak peek into the themes and topics being explored this season: the tough conversations and topics we often avoid! Join us as we dive into what makes a topic ‘hot’, how to engage more thoughtfully, and how Bowen family systems theory is helpful when tensions rise. Whether you're familiar with Bowen theory or new to these ideas, this season promises lots of ideas and engaging discussion on managing differences in relationships. Dixie Vandersluys is a Canadian Certified Counsellor based in Manitoba, Canada. She has undergraduate degrees in history and philosophy and a Master of Arts in Counseling from Providence Theological Seminary.  Dixie enjoys seeing clients across Canada in her private practice. Dixie is also a faculty member at Living Systems and the creator and host of the Elevator Systems podcast.  Katie White is a Marriage and Family Therapist registered in the US and Canada.  She has been working with individuals, couples and families in schools, clinics, and non-profit centres for twenty years in the US, Australia and Canada. In 2010, Katie began focusing her practice using Bowen family systems theory and has attended the Post-Graduate Program at the Bowen Center.  Katie is currently the Executive Director of Living Systems in Vancouver Canada. Katie teaches and supervises interns there, as well as managing a private practice.Season 4 episodes will be released every two weeks starting Tuesday March 3rd. Buy us a “coffee” at https://ko-fi.com/elevatorsystems and support the production of the podcast!Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1, 2 & 3Resources:Living Systems Counselling and TrainingElevator Systems at the Bowen Center Professional Lecture SeriesSubscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts. Like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caKey Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen # #SystemsThinking #Polarization #Differences #HotTopics #Communication #MentalHealth #Relationships #TherapyPodcast #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #Therapy #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcastDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Welcome to Elevator Systems! To end Season 3, we are interviewing Dr. Monica McGoldrick about her book The Expanded Family Life Cycle, the importance of systems thinking, and some of her memories with Dr. Murray Bowen.Monica McGoldrick, M.A., LCSW, Ph.D. (Honorary), is the Director of the Multicultural Family Institute in Highland Park, New Jersey and Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at the Robert Wood Johnson Medical School. Monica has written and spoken widely on topics such as culture, gender, the family life cycle, loss, and genograms. Three of her most notable books include: The Expanded Family Life Cycle, Ethnicity and Family Therapy, and Genograms: Assessment and Intervention.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:Viewing life stages not just as individual but as interconnected with the family life cycle.Family diagrams (genograms) as a tool to understand family patterns and history and the usefulness of contextualizing individual experiences.Practical application of Bowen theory in therapy, how understanding family systems can aid in addressing current issues by exploring family relationships and dynamics.Considering the perspectives of both ancestors and future descendants, growing a broader understanding of one's place within the family lineage and the impact of one's actions on future generations.Recommended Resources:Monica McGoldrick website: https://multiculturalfamily.org/Monica McGoldrick and Betty Carter: The Expanded Family Life CycleLouise Aronson: ElderhoodPatrick Stinson: Family Diagram App Living Systems online workshops and counselling information: https://livingsystems.caLiving Systems Aging ConferenceEmail [email protected] to purchase Aging conference recording - mention the podcast and receive a discount!Email [email protected] for podcast questions or ideasThanks for listening to Season 3! Look for Season 4 of Elevator Systems in early 2026. Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts. Like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caKey Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #MonicaMcGoldrick #Family #SystemsThinking #FamilyLifeCycle #LifeCycle #StagesofLife #Genogram #FamilyDiagram #FamilyHistory #Ancestry #Lineage #History #MentalHealth #Relationships #TherapyPodcast #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #Therapy #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcastDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Welcome to Elevator Systems! For the last episode of our season on relationships across the lifespan, we will be looking at Bowen family systems theory and death. Priscilla Friesen joins hosts Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White to talk about her personal and professional perspective.Priscilla Friesen is a family consultant who trained as a licensed clinical social worker. She was introduced to Bowen theory in 1976 and has spent years at the Bowen Center where her responsibilities have included: administrator of Biofeedback Programs, Director of the Postgraduate Training Programs, developing meetings, presenting and teaching. Priscilla has a special interest in biofeedback and neurofeedback and how physiological reactivity is regulated in relationships. Priscilla has also worked to make Dr. Bowen’s archival legacy available to the world, working with the Bowen family since his death in 1990 and serving on the board of directors of The Murray Bowen Archives Project today.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:The many relationships impacted by the death of a family member.Ways death is regulated within the family system.The variation in how families handle death provides valuable information about the family system.What an open system is and how it’s useful to a family around death.The adjustment of roles in the family after a death and the emergence of family leaders.Examples include: personal stories, estate planning and family discussions, the grief of Queen Victoria and her family life.This episode is for anyone interested in thinking about death from a systems perspective and anyone who works professionally with families that are facing death, grief and loss. Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2.Recommended Resources:The Murray Bowen Archives Project Dr. Murray Bowen: Family Therapy in Clinical PracticeDr. Jenny Brown: Growing Yourself UpDeath and Chronic Illness in the Family, Ed. Peter Titelman & Sydney K. ReedLiving Beyond Loss: Death in the Family, Ed. Froma Walsh & Monica McGoldrickFamily Matters The Relationships We Live In podcast: https://rss.com/podcasts/episode-1-the-relationships-we-live-in/Thanks for listening to Season 3! A special episode to wrap up Season 3 will be released in the coming weeks! Look for Season 4 of Elevator Systems in early 2026. Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts so you don’t miss a weekly release. Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caKey Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #Therapy #SystemsThinking #Death #Dying #Grief #Loss #Mourning #Funeral #Goodbye #Communication #Estates #Plans #Aging #MentalHealth #Relationships #TherapyPodcast #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #Family #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcast #MurrayBowenArchives #TMBAP #TheMurrayBowenArchivesProjectDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk

Welcome to Elevator Systems! Selden Dunbar Illick joins Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White as they think through aging from a Bowen family systems perspective on today’s episode.Selden Dunbar Illick has been studying Bowen family systems theory for over 40 years. Selden founded the Princeton Family Center for Education in 1987 and currently serves on the Board. She is particularly interested in the application of Bowen theory to family functioning in the present as it connects to the multigenerational past and to future generations, especially the concept of emotional cutoff between the generations and degrees of unresolved emotional attachment. Today, at the age of 85, Selden continues to be a consultant to those interested in applying a Bowen family systems theory perspective to their lives.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:Aging is a lifelong process that begins at birth.The usefulness of maintaining emotional connections across generations. The idea of over and under-functioning and thoughtfully providing and receiving support.Emotional cutoff and differentiation as key concepts in intergenerational relationships.The importance of lifelong learning and curiosity.Examples include: personal and clinical examples of families and aging, historical and cultural examples, and the show “Call the Midwife” This episode is for anyone who is aging, has aging family members, or works with individual and families facing the challenges and opportunities of aging. Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2.Recommended Resources:The Murray Bowen Archives Project Dr. Murray Bowen: Family Therapy in Clinical PracticeDr. Murray Bowen: A Systems View of the Aging Process (Family Systems Journal 13.1)Dr. Jenny Brown: Growing Yourself UpMonica McGoldrick & Betty Carter: The Family Life CycleDeath and Chronic Illness in the Family, Ed. Peter Titelman & Sydney K. ReedDr. Bowen & Kathleen Yanks: The Basic Series #7 - Emotional CutoffLiving Systems Oct/25 conference Aging: Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity?New podcast episodes released every Tuesday this season—stay tuned as we explore relationships across the lifespan! Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts so you don’t miss a weekly release.Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caKey Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #Therapy #SystemsThinking #Family #Aging #Seniors #Elder #Elderly #BabyBoomers #EndofLife #NextGeneration #PasstheBaton #MentalHealth #Relationships #TherapyPodcast #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcast #MurrayBowenArchives #TMBAP #TheMurrayBowenArchivesProjectDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Welcome to Elevator Systems! Today’s episode is about something that can happen at any stage of life: family rifts. Lisa Moss joins Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White to discuss family rifts and Bowen family systems theory.Lisa Moss is a licensed clinical social worker with 15 years in private practice. Lisa completed the post graduate training program at the Center for Family Consultation in Evanston, Illinois, and joined the faculty in 2013. Lisa has studied family dynamics, marriage, sibling relationships, and human behavior from a Bowen theory perspective for nearly two decades. Before private practice, Lisa worked in hospitals and community agencies, gaining a wide view of how people and families function in different settings. She earned her MSW from Loyola University Chicago after completing her undergraduate studies at the University of Kansas, and has been a licensed clinical social worker since 1995.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:Bowen theory’s concept of “cutoff” as well as the use of family rifts, estrangement, and distance in relationships.Cutoff may relieve immediate tension and it has short and long-term consequences for the individual and family.Estrangement can lead to difficulties in other relationships, including the transfer of emotional intensity from one relationship to another.Understanding family dynamics through systems thinking can help individuals to manage themselves in challenging relationships.Examples include: TV shows “The Bear”, “Everybody Loves Raymond” “Gilmore Girls” and what drove the story line in every 1990s sitcom, as well as clinical examples. This episode is for professionals and non-professionals alike, especially those thinking through the cost and benefits of breaking away from challenging relationships. Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2.Recommended Resources:The Murray Bowen Archives Project Dr. Murray Bowen: Family Therapy in Clinical PracticeDr. Jenny Brown: Growing Yourself UpDr. Michael E. Kerr: Bowen Theory’s SecretsCatherine M. Rakow: Making Sense of Human LifeAnne McKnight (Ed): Thinking Systems: Applying Bowen Theory in Clinical Practice Anne McKnight, Family Matters: Cutoff in Family RelationshipsAnne McKnight: “Two Perspectives on Family Rifts: The Concepts of Estrangement and Cut-off”, Australian and New Zealand Journal of Family Therapy, 45(2)Kathleen Smith: When You’re Too Close to the ProblemKathleen Smith: Living Outside of ConflictHasan Minhaj podcast with Gabor MatéElevator Systems, S1 Ep5 DistanceElevator Systems, S2 Ep6 Emotional CutoffNew podcast episodes released every Tuesday this season—stay tuned as we explore relationships across the lifespan! Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts so you don’t miss a weekly release.Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caKey Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #Therapy #SystemsThinking #Anxiety #FamilyRifts #Cutoff #NoContact #Distance #Avoidance #Conflict #Separation #ToxicPeople #MentalHealth #Relationships #TherapyPodcast #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #Family #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcast #MurrayBowenArchives #TMBAP #TheMurrayBowenArchivesProjectDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Welcome to Elevator Systems! For this episode of the podcast Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White had the privilege of speaking with, recently retired, Kathy Kerr about the way Bowen family systems theory is useful in retirement.Kathleen Kerr is a clinical nurse specialist and started her private practice in 1975. She was on the faculty of the Bowen Center from 1978 to 2012 and is a founding Board member of the Bowen Theory Academy. Her interests and published articles have included topics such as: aging and the family, applying Bowen theory to organizations, different kinds of systems thinking, healthcare and Bowen theory in the emergency room, and mother-offspring relationships. For this work, Kathleen was given access to the data from the longitudinal research on chimpanzees begun by Jane Goodall.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:How retirement is a systems event rather than an individual one.Thinking through expectations and assumptions around retirement.What to consider in the transition of leadership at work and in the family.The role of differentiation of self as individuals and work systems prepare for a retirement.The usefulness of knowing family history and previous generations experience with retirement as well as societal influences at those times.Examples include: personal examples from work and the family, the television show “Succession”, and the idea of “passing the baton” This episode is for individuals, families, and those in the workplace experiencing retirement personally or in their system. Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2.Recommended Resources:The Murray Bowen Archives Project Dr. Murray Bowen: Family Therapy in Clinical PracticeDr. Jenny Brown: Growing Yourself UpNew podcast episodes released every Tuesday this season—stay tuned as we explore relationships across the lifespan! Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts so you don’t miss a weekly release.Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caKey Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #Therapy #SystemsThinking #Aging #Retirement #Retiring #Work #Leadership #NextGeneration #PasstheBaton #Succession #Anxiety#MentalHealth #Relationships #TherapyPodcast #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #Family #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcast #MurrayBowenArchives #TMBAP #TheMurrayBowenArchivesProjectDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Welcome to Elevator Systems! Today Amie Post joins Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White to talk about grandparenting from a Bowen family systems theory lens. Amie is the keynote speaker at Living Systems’ conference, Aging: Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity on October 17th and 18th. Details below.Amie Post, is a marriage and family therapist with extensive experience in leadership. She serves as the Executive Director of the Center for Family Systems Theory of Western New York and previously held the role of Executive Director at the Family Crisis Center of Baltimore County. A dedicated student of Bowen Theory since 2001, Amie is a faculty member and board director at the Bowen Center in Washington, DC. She is also a wife, mother, and grandmother.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:The basic invitation of growing yourself up and being thoughtful about how to participate in family relationships with intentionality.The significance of observing multi-generational patterns and how they influence family relationships. How generational anxiety affects current family dynamics.Recognizing automatic expectations of grandparenting roles, doing “differently” than previous generations, and the usefulness of the "beliefs paper" exercise.The role of grandparents in providing wisdom and support without overstepping boundaries.The importance of meaningful relationships across generations and the resource of the family.Examples include: the movies Minari and Moana, childcare, family vacations, the various ways grandparents show up, and “treats at grandma’s house” with a personal example.This episode is not only for grandparents, but for adult children navigating parenting, grandparenting, and grandchildren, as well as clinicians working with families. Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2.Recommended Resources:The Murray Bowen Archives Project Dr. Murray Bowen: Family Therapy in Clinical PracticeDr. Jenny Brown: Growing Yourself UpRoberta M. Gilbert, M.D.: Connecting with Our ChildrenVictoria Harrison: The Belief Paper Assignment, Family Systems Forum, Fall 2022, Vol 24, No. 3Living Systems Conference: Aging - Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity?New podcast episodes released every Tuesday this season—stay tuned as we explore relationships across the lifespan! Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts so you don’t miss a weekly release.Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caLiving Systems Hybrid Conference: October 17–18, 2025Conference theme: Aging—Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity?Learn more: https://livingsystems.ca/education/conferences/fall-2025-conference-on-aging/Key Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #Therapy #SystemsThinking #Family #Grandparenting #Grandparents #Grandchildren #Expectations Resources #Transitions #Goals #Generations #GenerationalPatterns #Anxiety #Aging #Parenting #Boundaries #MentalHealth #Relationships #TherapyPodcast #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcast #MurrayBowenArchives #TMBAP #TheMurrayBowenArchivesProjectDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Welcome to Elevator Systems! This episode will explore the empty nest stage from a Bowen family systems theory perspective. Joining Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White today is John Bell.John Bell is an ordained United Methodist pastor who became interested in Bowen theory after hearing Peter Steinke say, "Good leadership rises about the anxiety of the group."  He has spent the last 30 years putting these theoretical words to practice in congregational, family, and civic life. In addition to training and mentoring clergy, John works with non-profit leaders and organizations who have an interest in sustainable and adaptive practices. John and his wife Alison work and live near Chicago and have three grown children.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:The balance of dependency and independence in relationship, and the usefulness of parents working on maintaining a supportive yet independent relationship with adult children.How other family changes can influence functioning in the empty nest phase, such as divorce, remarriage, grandchildren, retirement and aging of parents.The transition to an empty nest can reveal the roles children played in the marriage and allows for a reevaluation of relationships.The importance of open communication and curiosity about each other's goals and aspirations.Examples include: analogy of a plate spinning routine, the family cellular plan, and variation among families navigating changes and independence.This episode is useful for families going through the empty nest stage or professionals wanting to think more systemically about this time of life. Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2.Recommended Resources:The Murray Bowen Archives Project Dr. Jenny Brown: Growing Yourself UpMonica McGoldrick & Betty Carter: The Family Life CycleKathleen Smith, “Where’s All Your Energy Going?”Eric Brenn Plate Spinning on Ed Sullivan ShowLiving Systems Conference: Aging - Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity?New podcast episodes released every Tuesday this season—stay tuned as we explore relationships across the lifespan! Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts so you don’t miss a weekly release.Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caLiving Systems Hybrid Conference: October 17–18, 2025Conference theme: Aging—Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity?Learn more: https://livingsystems.ca/education/conferences/fall-2025-conference-on-aging/Key Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #Therapy #SystemsThinking #Family #Parenting #Parents #Children #Kids #Launching #LeavingHome #GrowingUp #EmptyNest #LifeStages #YoungAdult #Resources #Transitions #Goals #Aspirations #Communication #TherapyPodcast #Anxiety #MentalHealth #Relationships #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcast #MurrayBowenArchives #TMBAP #TheMurrayBowenArchivesProjectDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Welcome to Elevator Systems! Today’s episode looks at how Bowen family systems theory is useful in thinking about the launching stage in a family. Erik Thompson joins hosts Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White for a lively and informative discussion.Erik Thompson is a licensed leadership psychologist with three decades of experience helping families. He founded Thompson Leadership Development and is the Executive Director of the Vermont Center for Family Studies. He created a 6 episode podcast, “To Honor and Cherish”, designed to support couples in achieving a sparky and sustainable relationship. He also has an interview podcast called "LeaderSight" which captures the wisdom of some of Erik’s favorite founders and executives. Erik lives in Vermont with his wife and together they have launched four daughters. What You’ll Learn in This Episode:The importance of preparing for the launching phase of children throughout life and thinking through parenting mindsets early onExplore the concept of over-functioning and under-functioning in relationships and how over-helping may not be helpfulThe influence of culture on the specifics of the launching process and the variation that exists around norms and expectationsKeeping in mind the balance between connection and independence when children leave homeExamples include: personal stories of our families’ launches, summer camp, animal behaviour, and cultural variationThis episode is useful for parents at any stage, as well as professionals looking to support a family’s launching journey. Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2.Recommended Resources:The Murray Bowen Archives Project Dr. Jenny Brown: Growing Yourself UpMonica McGoldrick & Betty Carter: The Family Life CycleDr. Daniel Papero: Developing A Systems Model for Family Assessment Vermont Center for Family Studies To Honor & Cherish: A Marriage PodcastLeaderSight PodcastNew podcast episodes released every Tuesday this season—stay tuned as we explore relationships across the lifespan! Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts so you don’t miss a weekly release.Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caLiving Systems Hybrid Conference: October 17–18, 2025Conference theme: Aging—Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity?Learn more: https://livingsystems.ca/education/conferences/fall-2025-conference-on-aging/Key Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #Therapy #SystemsThinking #Family #Parenting #Parents #Children #Kids #Launching #LeavingHome #GrowingUp #EmptyNest #LifeStages #YoungAdult #Resources #Helpfulness #TherapyPodcast #Anxiety #MentalHealth #Relationships #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcast #MurrayBowenArchives #TMBAP #TheMurrayBowenArchivesProjectDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Welcome to Elevator Systems! This episode explores all of the complexities of when families combine in stepfamily relationships and how Bowen family systems theory can be a resource. Kathleen Cotter Cauley is back on the elevator, sharing her thoughts and experiences with Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White.Kathleen Cotter Cauley is a licensed marriage and family therapist and has a private practice in both Virginia and Florida. She’s a faculty member of the Bowen Center and was involved in founding the Florida Family Research Network. Her thinking on triangles has been published in the book “Triangles: Bowen Family Systems Perspectives” by Peter Titelman. Kathleen has been married for almost 40 years, is a stepmom, a stepdaughter, and a grandma. What You’ll Learn in This Episode:Stepfamilies provide a unique opportunity to apply Bowen family systems theory to the complex dynamics Managing anxiety and working on self-differentiation are important in navigating stepfamily challengesUnderstanding the roles and expectations for each member of a stepfamily can help in managing transition and integration processesThe importance of curiosity about each family member's perspective and experienceThe useful framework of the family diagram and family history Examples include: personal experience and Hollywood examples including the movie “Stepmom”, the classic “wicked stepmother", and “The Brady Bunch”For anyone who is connected to a blended family. This episode offers a unique perspective and framework to think through and manage the complex dynamics of stepfamily life. Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2.Recommended Resources:The Murray Bowen Archives Project Monica McGoldrick & Betty Carter: The Family Life CycleRoberta Gilbert, “On Stepparenting” Family Systems Forum, Winter 2009, Vol 10 No4Dr. Daniel Papero: Developing A Systems Model for Family AssessmentKathleen Smith: The Cycle of Overfunctioning and DistanceFamily Matters: Navigating the Blended Family MazePeter Titelman, Ed: Triangles: Bowen Family Systems Theory PerspectivesNew podcast episodes released every Tuesday this season—stay tuned as we explore relationships across the lifespan! Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts so you don’t miss a weekly release.Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caLiving Systems Hybrid Conference: October 17–18, 2025Conference theme: Aging—Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity?Learn more: https://livingsystems.ca/education/conferences/fall-2025-conference-on-aging/Key Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #Therapy #SystemsThinking #Family #Marriage #Remarriage #Divorce #Death #Widow #BlendedFamily #Stepfamily #Stepparent #Stepchild #FamilyChallenges #Challenges #Complexity #StepfamilyLife #TherapyPodcast #Anxiety #MentalHealth #Relationships #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcast #MurrayBowenArchives #TMBAP #TheMurrayBowenArchivesProjectDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Welcome to Elevator Systems! Today’s episode discusses divorce from a Bowen family systems theory perspective. Dr. Carrie Collier is back thinking alongside hosts Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White.Dr. Carrie Collier is a researcher, lecturer and family therapist specializing in Bowen family systems theory. She earned her PhD in Counsellor Education and has over 25 years of study and practice as a Licensed Professional Counsellor. She is on the faculty of The Bowen Center where she serves on the Board of Directors and was Director for two years. She published and validated a Family Unit Functioning Questionnaire used by therapists and researchers to gather information about families. Her most recent research on the language of nature in Murray Bowen's archival papers can be found in The Australian and New Zealand Journal of Family Therapy.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:The usefulness of knowing family history and family patterns of functioning in marriage and divorce and how divorce can intensify patterns.Understanding one's role in the family and how divorce can be an opportunity for personal growth and redefining relationships within the family system.How the intensity of emotional fusion in a marriage can mirror the intensity of separation during divorce.The resource of a coach or therapist for individuals to think through their functioning in the family.Family leaders who maintain open communication, clear thinking and connections with both parties in a divorce can positively influence the broader family system.This episode is recommended for people and professionals who are navigating divorce.Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2.Recommended Resources:The Murray Bowen Archives Project Dr. Murray Bowen: Family Therapy in Clinical PracticeMonica McGoldrick & Betty Carter: The Family Life CycleRoberta Gilbert: Extraordinary RelationshipsEdward Beal: “Child-Focused Divorce” in Clinical Applications of Bowen Family Systems Theory (Ed. Peter Titelman)Family Matters: Divorce and Adult ChildrenDr. Carrie Collier: The Language of Nature in Murray Bowen’s WritingsNew podcast episodes released every Tuesday this season—stay tuned as we explore relationships across the lifespan! Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts so you don’t miss a weekly release.Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caLiving Systems Hybrid Conference: October 17–18, 2025Conference theme: Aging—Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity?Learn more: https://livingsystems.ca/education/conferences/fall-2025-conference-on-aging/Key Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #Therapy #SystemsThinking #Family #Marriage #Remarriage #Divorce #BlendedFamily #Stepfamily #Partner #Conflict #Mediation #Separation #FamilyChallenges #Challenges #Complexity #TherapyPodcast #Anxiety #Intensity #Patterns #MentalHealth #Relationships #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcast #MurrayBowenArchives #TMBAP #TheMurrayBowenArchivesProjectDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk

Welcome to Elevator Systems! In this episode we are looking at a Bowen family systems theory perspective on relationships with kids with challenges. Joining hosts Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White is fellow Living Systems colleague Devana Weiss who brings personal and professional experience to this topic.Devana Weiss is a licensed counsellor in private practise, a clinical supervisor, and a faculty member with Living Systems. She has been studying and practicing Bowen family systems theory for almost 20 years. She is married and a mother to three children, one of whom has developmental disabilities. She has lived experience navigating the medical and school systems and enjoys assisting parents and caregivers who face similar challenges. What You’ll Learn in This Episode:The impact that worry has on a child with challenges and their relationshipsThe importance of recognizing what is within one’s control as a parent and responding with steadiness, clear thinking and guiding principles during tough timesThe pattern of over and under-functioning and how Bowen theory is useful for assessing facts and needs and what kind of help is helpfulThe role of siblings and the whole family system in managing challengeExamples include: an analogy from a garden, the movie CODA, dinner time struggles, and how parents and professionals can manage their own anxietyFor any professional, family member, or friend in relationship with a child with a challenge, this episode offers a unique perspective on what it means to be a resource. Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2.Recommended Resources:The Murray Bowen Archives Project Catherine M. Rakow: Making Sense of Human LifeDr. Michael E. Kerr: Bowen Theory’s Secrets (epilogue chapter)Parent Hope Project specific episodes: Being a LighthouseHow the Worry Cycle Plays Out in SchoolsSpecial Needs ChildrenCo-Regulation or Self-Regulation in ParentingNew podcast episodes released every Tuesday this season—stay tuned as we explore relationships across the lifespan! Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts so you don’t miss a weekly release.Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caLiving Systems Hybrid Conference: October 17–18, 2025Conference theme: Aging—Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity?Learn more: https://livingsystems.ca/education/conferences/fall-2025-conference-on-aging/Key Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #Therapy #SystemsThinking #Family #Parenting #Parents #Children #Kids #KidswithChallenges #SpecialNeeds #Disability #Help #Inclusion #Challenges #Resources #Helpfulness #Worry #CODAmovie #TherapyPodcast #Neurotypical #Neurodivergent #Anxiety #MentalHealth #Relationships #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcast #MurrayBowenArchives #TMBAP #TheMurrayBowenArchivesProjectDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Welcome to Elevator Systems! Today Lauren Errington joins hosts Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White as we think about parenting from a Bowen family systems perspective.Lauren Errington is the Executive Director of the Family Systems Institute in Sydney, Australia. She is also a Mental Health Social Worker and Clinical Family Therapist and Supervisor at the Family Systems Practice. She has written articles on the application of Bowen of theory in family therapy for multiple journals including co-authoring a soon to be published article for the Journal of Marital and Family Therapy. Lauren is married and a parent of three school-aged children.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:A parent’s effort to manage their own reactivity and provide kids developmental spaceDifferentiation of self, balancing individuality and togetherness, in parentingGetting clear on one’s own parenting beliefs and values amid the many perspectives and pressures in parenting todayHow viewing the family as a system can help parents manage challenges by understanding multi-generational patternsThe importance of humour and flexibility for parents to step back and see situations from a different perspectiveExamples: the humorous side of emotion coaching, the movie Parenthood, parenting in other species, and thinking through “taking off the training wheels” at different stages This episode is for parents, anyone who works with parents, and anyone who has parents! Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2.Recommended Resources:The Murray Bowen Archives Project Parent Hope Project podcast and resourcesDr Jenny Brown: Confident ParentingRoberta Gilbert: Extraordinary RelationshipsAustralian and New Zealand Journal of Family Therapy (Vol 45, Issue 2), Special Issue: Bowen Family Systems TheoryWhite, Errington and Ruggier, “Promoting Parent Agency Across the World through the Parent Hope Project: The Difference Bowen Family Systems Theory Makes”, Journal of Marital and Family Therapy - in revision. New podcast episodes released every Tuesday this season—stay tuned as we explore relationships across the lifespan! Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts so you don’t miss a weekly release.Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caLiving Systems Hybrid Conference: October 17–18, 2025Conference theme: Aging—Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity?Learn more: https://livingsystems.ca/education/conferences/fall-2025-conference-on-aging/Key Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #Therapy #SystemsThinking #Family #Parenting #Parents #Parenthood #Children #Kids #ChildDevelopment #Development #Help #Resources #Helpfulness #Individuality #TherapyPodcast #Anxiety #MentalHealth #Relationships #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcast #MurrayBowenArchives #TMBAP #TheMurrayBowenArchivesProjectDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Welcome to Elevator Systems! This episode looks at Bowen family systems theory and marriage. Joining Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White is Phil Klever who has spent over two decades doing research on married couples.Phil Klever has applied Bowen theory in his clinical practice and his personal life over most of his adult life. He has tested Bowen theory hypotheses in his longitudinal family research study. He is a member of Dr. Daniel Papero's postgraduate research seminar, the Bowen theory Journal Club, and the Bowen Center's Research Committee.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:Observing fusion in marriage and the balance of being both a separate and connected person is central in maintaining maturity in marriageThe influence of the multi-generational family on marriage Thinking through relationship patterns: conflict, distance, triangles, and over and under-functioningKeeping a broad perspective of influences on marriageExamples: the classic approach/avoid pattern, a personal example of meeting the in-laws, and “The Story of Us”.Couples and counsellors alike will gain insights to how Bowen theory can inform one’s understanding of the marriage relationship.Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2.Recommended Resources:The Murray Bowen Archives Project Dr. Ronald Richardson: Family Ties that BindDr. Jenny Brown: Growing Yourself UpPeg Donley interview Donley, M (2016) “Bonding and Babies: The Evolution of Biparental Care and The Primary Triangle”, Family Systems, 12,1.Phil Klever Research: Chapters:1998. “Marital Fusion and Differentiation.” In Titelman (Ed.) Clinical Applications of Bowen Family Systems Theory2003. “Marital Functioning and Multigenerational Fusion and Cutoff.” In Titelman (Ed.), Emotional Cutoff2008. “Triangles in Marriage.” In Titelman (Ed.), Triangles: Bowen Family Systems Theory Perspectives2014. “Applying Differentiation of Self in One’s Family.” In Titelman (Ed.), Differentiation of Self2020. “The Primary Triangle and Variation in Family Functioning.” In Keller and Noone (Ed.), Handbook of Bowen Family Systems Theory and Research Methods2020. “The Multigenerational Transmission of Family Unit Functioning.” In Keller and Noone (Ed.), Handbook of Bowen Family Systems Theory and Research Methods Articles: 2018. “Goal Effectiveness and Family Functioning.” The American Journal of Family Therapy 46: 195-2122021. “Divergent Spouse Functioning.” Family Systems 14: 103-130.2023. “Similarity in Spouse Functioning.” Family Systems 17.2: 139-1652025. “Child Focus and the Family Unit: A Comparison of Families with Lower and Higher Child Symptomology.” Family Systems 19, 2: 105-133.New podcast episodes released every Tuesday this season—stay tuned as we explore relationships across the lifespan! Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts so you don’t miss a weekly release.Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theoryLiving Systems Hybrid Conference: October 17–18, 2025Conference theme: Aging—Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity?Learn more here Key Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #Therapy #SystemsThinking #Family #Marriage #Couples #MarriageDynamics #FamilyofOrigin #FamilyHistory #MultiGenerational #TheStoryofUsMovie #TherapyPodcast #MentalHealth #Relationships #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcast #MurrayBowenArchives #TMBAP #TheMurrayBowenArchivesProjectDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Welcome to Elevator Systems! Today we are riding the elevator at our places of work. Jake Morrill joins hosts Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White to look at the many ways a Bowen family systems lens can be useful in the everyday, big and small situations and challenges of work life.Jake Morrill is the founder of Generation to Generation Leadership Coaching, which works with family businesses, congregations, and nonprofits. A longtime student of Bowen Theory, he’s on the faculty of the Bowen Center for the Study of the Family, where he’s one of the teachers of the course, “Differentiation at Work.” What You’ll Learn in This Episode:Differentiation of self at work and the usefulness of a "this is me, who are you?” postureOver and under-functioning and finding balance in your role in work dynamics Professionalism vs. pseudo self and leading with personal integrity in the midst of external pressuresThe importance of one-to-one communication and open, curious conversationsDefining work roles while considering personal values and family commitmentsReal life examples from middle management, consulting in challenging situations, and finding a work/life balanceFor anyone at any level in the work world. This episode will offer insight into how work systems function and how to manage you! Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2.Recommended Resources:The Murray Bowen Archives Project Dr. Murray Bowen: Family Therapy in Clinical Practice Jake Morrill: The Boundaries WorkbookLeslie Ann Fox & Katherine Gratwick-Baker: Leading a Business in Anxious TimesKathleen Smith: Everything Isn’t TerribleThe Anxious Achiever podcast: How Family Dynamics Play Out at WorkThe Anxious Achiever podcast: Is People Pleasing Hurting Your Career?Ruth Riley Sagar and Kathleen Klaus Wiseman, Ed: Understanding OrganizationsNew podcast episodes released every Tuesday this season—stay tuned as we explore relationships across the lifespan! Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts so you don’t miss a weekly release.Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caLiving Systems Hybrid Conference: October 17–18, 2025Conference theme: Aging—Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity?Learn more: https://livingsystems.ca/education/conferences/fall-2025-conference-on-aging/Key Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #Therapy #SystemsThinking #Family #Work #Leadership #Management #Career #Boundaries #Balance #Triangles #Professional #TherapyPodcast #MentalHealth #Relationships #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcast #MurrayBowenArchives #TMBAP #TheMurrayBowenArchivesProjectDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Welcome to Elevator Systems! Therapist Joe Berger joins Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White to think about how Bowen family systems theory is useful in the dating world. Joe Berger is a therapist who works with individuals, couples, and families and previously worked for several years in community mental health. He received a Masters in Social Work from the University of Vermont in 2012, and has completed two years of postgraduate training at the Bowen Center in Washington. He is currently a faculty member at the Vermont Center for Family Studies.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:A Bowen theory approach to dating emphasizes focusing on oneself rather than the other personBeing clear about one's goals and guidelines in dating helps maintain authenticity and self-awarenessThe influence of societal and familial expectations on dating behaviours and relationship choicesKeeping a sense of fun and curiosity is important in the dating process, alongside serious considerationsExamples shared from personal experience, clinical cases, and the entertainment worldCounsellors, parents, and anyone navigating the dating world will find useful ideas for further thinking in this episode.Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2.Recommended Resources:The Murray Bowen Archives Project Dr. Jenny Brown: Growing Yourself UpDr Ronald Richardson: Jane Austen’s Guide to Good RelationshipsDr Kathleen Smith: Everything Isn’t TerribleAvrum Nadigel: Learning to CommitAvrum Nadigel: It Takes More than LoveEsther Perel: Mating in Captivity New podcast episodes released every Tuesday this season—stay tuned as we explore relationships across the lifespan! Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts so you don’t miss a weekly release.Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caLiving Systems Hybrid Conference: October 17–18, 2025Conference theme: Aging—Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity?Learn more: https://livingsystems.ca/education/conferences/fall-2025-conference-on-aging/Key Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #Therapy #SystemsThinking #Family #Dating #Couples #AuthenticDating #RelationshipInsights #RelationshipGoals #Single #Love #Marriage #BeingLiked #Monogamy #Polyamory #Divorce #TherapyPodcast #MentalHealth #Relationships #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcast #MurrayBowenArchives #TMBAP #TheMurrayBowenArchivesProjectDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Welcome to Elevator Systems! In this episode we delve into the complexities of adolescence through the lens of Bowen family systems theory. Join hosts Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White with guest Avrum Nadigel as they explore how understanding family dynamics can illuminate the challenges and opportunities of the teenage years. Avrum Nadigel has been a marriage and family therapist for 25 years and has completed postgraduate training in Bowen family systems theory. He is the author of three book: “Learning to Commit”, “It Takes More than Love” and “Where Would you Like to Start: A Master Therapist on Beginning Psychotherapy with Families”. Avrum has co-produced two podcasts: “Pop Parenting” and “The Love Examined Playlist”.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:Bowen family systems theory’s unique perspective on adolescence: thinking about a teenager within the broader context of the familyHow multi-generational processes and family history impact adolescent behavior and developmentThe concept of differentiation and how teens strive to form their own identities while balancing family expectation and outside influenceThe significant role parents play in their adolescent's developmentPractical advice for supporting growth, individuality and connection for the familyExamples include: every John Hughes movie, music, sports, peer pressure, and summer campThis episode is for professionals, parents, teens or anyone navigating this pivotal stage of life. Tune in to discover how systems thinking is useful in adolescence.Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2.Recommended Resources:The Murray Bowen Archives Project Family Matters, Surviving the Teen YearsAvrum Nadigel: Learning to CommitAvrum Nadigel: It Takes More than LoveAvrum Nadigel: Where Would you Like to Start: A Master Therapist on Beginning Psychotherapy with FamiliesDr. Ron Richardson: Family Ties that BindDr. Daniel J. Siegel: BrainstormDr. Kathleen Smith: True to You byNew podcast episodes released every Tuesday this season—stay tuned as we explore relationships across the lifespan! Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts so you don’t miss a weekly release.Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and comment.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caLiving Systems Hybrid Conference: October 17–18, 2025Conference theme: Aging—Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity?Learn more: https://livingsystems.ca/education/conferences/fall-2025-conference-on-aging/Key Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #Therapy #SystemsThinking #Family #Adolescence #Adolescents #Teens #Teenager #Growth #Development #PeerPressure #Expectations #JohnHughes #TheBreakfastClub #TherapyPodcast #MentalHealth #Relationships #DifferentiationOfSelf #Differentiation #BowenTheory #ElevatorSystems #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcast #MurrayBowenArchives #TMBAP #TheMurrayBowenArchivesProjectDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Welcome to Elevator Systems! In Season 3 Episode 3 Kathleen Cotter Cauley joins Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White on the elevator to look at the role of pets in relationships — from cats and dogs to triangles and anxiety!Kathleen Cotter Cauley is a licensed marriage and family therapist and has a private practice in both Virginia and Florida. She’s a faculty member of the Bowen Center and was involved in founding the Florida Family Research Network. She has worked with guide dogs for over 30 years.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:Viewing pets as active participants in the emotional fieldHow animals reflect family anxiety and calmThe concept of reciprocity in human-animal relationshipsThe four patterns of reactivity (conflict, distance, projection, triangles) observed in petsHow pet entries and exits impact family dynamicsExamples from guide dogs, breeders, and meet our own pets!Whether you're new to Bowen Theory or a long-time learner, this episode offers surprising, insightful ways to observe functioning through your pets, watch anxiety move, and deepen your understanding of family systems.Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2.Recommended Resources:The Murray Bowen Archives Project Alan Entin: Pets in the FamilyDr. Murray Bowen: Family Therapy in Clinical Practice Dr. Michael Kerr: “Family Systems Theory and Therapy” in A. Gurman & D. Kniskern (Eds.), Handbook of family therapy. New podcast episodes released every Tuesday this season—stay tuned as we explore relationships across the lifespan! Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts so you don’t miss a weekly release.Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and comment about what you’ve noticed in your own pet relationships.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caLiving Systems Hybrid Conference: October 17–18, 2025Conference theme: Aging—Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity?Learn more: https://livingsystems.ca/education/conferences/fall-2025-conference-on-aging/Key Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #Therapy #SystemsThinking #Family #PetsAndPeople #EmotionalSystems #AnxietyInFamilies #Reciprocity #Triangles #PetTherapy #DifferentiationOfSelf #GuideDogs #CatsAndDogs #EmotionalRegulation #TherapyPodcast #MentalHealth #EmotionalMaturity #Differentiation #Relationships #BowenTheory #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcast #TherapyPodcast #MurrayBowenArchives #TMBAP #TheMurrayBowenArchivesProjectDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Welcome to Elevator Systems! In Season 3 Episode 2 hosts Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White are joined by special guest Dr. Guillermo Cancio-Bello to talk about the many aspects and facets of friendship from a Bowen family systems perspective.Dr. Guillermo Cancio-Bello is an Assistant Professor of Counseling at Barry University and integrates Bowen theory into his clinical, academic, research, and organizational work. His teaching and scholarship focus on systems thinking, leadership development, and the personal and professional growth of counsellors-in-training. Guillermo currently serves as President of the Florida Association of Marriage and Family Counseling (FAMFC) and is also a board member of the Florida Family Research Network, which works to advance the science of human behavior based on the natural systems theory of the family developed by Murray Bowen.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:Differentiation (staying connected and separate) in friendshipThe role of sibling position in friend selectionFusion, triangles, and anxietyHow family of origin impacts adult relationshipsBowen theory insights on digital vs. in-person connectionsExamples from the biblical friendship of David & Jonathan to sending memes! For counsellors or anyone interested in understanding relationships better, this discussion will get you curious about how you show up in your friendships.Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2.Recommended Resources:The Murray Bowen Archives Project The Relationships We Live In podcast: https://rss.com/podcasts/episode-1-the-relationships-we-live-in/The Anxious Overachiever newsletterDr Ronald Richardson: Jane Austen’s Guide to Good RelationshipsDr Kathleen Smith: Everything Isn’t TerribleDr Roberta Gilbert: Extraordinary RelationshipsDr. Robin Dunbar’s loneliness researchNew podcast episodes released every Tuesday this season—stay tuned as we explore relationships across the lifespan! Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts so you don’t miss a weekly release.Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and comment about how systems thinking is useful in your own friendships.Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caLiving Systems Hybrid Conference: October 17–18, 2025Conference theme: Aging—Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity?Learn more: https://livingsystems.ca/education/conferences/fall-2025-conference-on-aging/Key Topics:#BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #Therapy #SystemsThinking #Family #Friendship #TherapyPodcast #MentalHealth #EmotionalMaturity #Differentiation #Relationships #BowenTheory #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcast #TherapyPodcast #LifeSpan #MurrayBowenArchives #TMBAP #TheMurrayBowenArchivesProjectDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Welcome to Season 3 of Elevator Systems!In our first episode of the season, we're diving into our earliest relationship with parents/caregivers — a formative relationship that shapes us across the lifespan. Joining hosts Dixie Vandersluys & Katie White is licensed therapist and author Dr. Kathleen Smith. Kathleen’s books include Everything Isn't Terrible and True to You: A Therapist's Guide to Stop Pleasing Others and Start Being Yourself. Living in Washington, DC, Kathleen is a faculty member at the Bowen Center for the Study of the Family and author of the popular newsletter, The Anxious Overachiever.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:How our relationship with parents is “Olympic training for objectivity” How Bowen family systems theory broadens perspective to multigenerational patternsWhat happens when we see our parents as humans, not heroes or villainsThe role of blame, anxiety, and differentiation in adult relationshipsWhy cut-off isn’t always the end and the usefulness of curiosityReal-world examples: parenting, loss, tooth hygiene, and “Sweet Caroline” Whether you’re navigating family dynamics, interested in personal growth, or work in mental health, this episode has insights, humour, and practical tools to think differently about you and your family story.Terms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2.Recommended Resources:The Murray Bowen Archives Project The Anxious Overachiever newsletterEverything Isn’t Terrible by Dr. Kathleen SmithTrue to You by Dr. Kathleen SmithFamily Therapy in Clinical Practice by Dr. Murray BowenFamily Ties that Bind by Dr. Ron RichardsonGrowing Yourself Up by Dr. Jenny BrownNew podcast episodes released every Tuesday this season—stay tuned as we explore relationships across the lifespan! Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts so you don’t miss a weekly release.Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and comment with your biggest takeaway or reflection about your own family relationships!Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.caLiving Systems Hybrid Conference: October 17–18, 2025Conference theme: Aging—Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity?Learn more: https://livingsystems.ca/education/conferences/fall-2025-conference-on-aging/Key Topics:#ParentChildRelationships #TherapyPodcast #MentalHealth #Anxiety #Differentiation #FamilyDynamics #CutOff #Parenting #SelfGrowth #GenerationalTrauma #Family #Relationships #BowenTheory #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcast #TherapyPodcast #BowenFamilySystems #LivingSystems #MurrayBowen #Therapy #SystemsThinking #Perspective #Generations #History #Humanity #Objectivity #LifeSpan #MurrayBowenArchives #TMBAP #TheMurrayBowenArchivesProjectDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Welcome to Season 3 of Elevator Systems!In this pre-season episode, hosts Dixie Vandersluys and Katie White introduce the theme for the new season: Bowen Family Systems Theory in Relationships Across the Lifespan. This season, we’re taking Bowen Theory out and about—applying it to real-life relationships including:ChildhoodFriendshipsPetsPartnered relationshipsCoworkersParentingLater-life relationshipsWe’re also joined by Elise Steenburgh from The Murray Bowen Archives Project, who shares how the archive’s resources will enrich the season. Founded in 2008, The Murray Bowen Archives Project is dedicated to preserving, cataloging, and promoting access to the archival legacy of Dr. Murray Bowen. The organization ensures that Dr. Bowen’s clinical notes, video & audio recordings, photographs, correspondence, and other artifacts are safeguarded and made available for scholarly research and public education. These materials reflect Dr. Bowen’s development of a new theory of human behavior known as Bowen theory.Explore: https://www.murraybowenarchives.orgTerms you don’t understand? We have episodes on all 8 concepts of Bowen theory and other ideas in Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2.Recommended Resources:The Murray Bowen Archives Project Elevator Systems Seasons 1 & 2Growing Yourself Up by Jenny BrownThe Family Life Cycle edited by Monica McGoldrick & Betty CarterNew podcast episodes every Tuesday starting July 8, 2025!Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts so you don’t miss a weekly release.Like, Comment & Share to support systems thinking in everyday life.Living Systems Hybrid Conference: October 17–18, 2025Conference theme: Aging—Individual Challenge or Family Opportunity?Learn more: https://livingsystems.ca/education/conferences/fall-2025-conference-on-aging/#BowenTheory #FamilySystemsTheory #ElevatorSystemsPodcast #Relationships #TherapyPodcast #BowenFamilySystems #EmotionalUnit #LivingSystems #Therapy #Differentiation #MurrayBowen #SystemsThinking #LifeSpan #MurrayBowenArchives #TheMurrayBowenArchivesProject #TMBAP #PersonalGrowth #Family #AgingLiving Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory:https://livingsystems.caDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

This special podcast episode was recorded live at the Living Systems Annual General Meeting in Vancouver, British Columbia in May 2025. It addresses the question of what is a relationship system — especially what Bowen family systems theory describes as an “emotional system”. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of a relationship system, examples, how it is useful to Bowen theory, and takeaway ideas, questions, and resources for further thinking. Lois Walker started observing diversity among families as a young graduate nurse and became interested in the spiritual needs of individuals and families in cancer care and palliative care. Lois later completed a Masters of Divinity and entered the training program in Bowen theory at North Shore Counselling Center (now Living Systems) in 1990 and then completed three years of the post-graduate program at the Georgetown Family Center (now the Bowen Center for the Study of the Family). For 35 years, Lois has continued to study Bowen theory as well as teach and provide clinical supervision in the training program at Living Systems.Dr. Ronald Richardson graduated from UCLA, Princeton Seminary, and the Rochester/Colgate Divinity School. He worked as a pastor before becoming a Marriage and Family Therapist and Pastoral Counsellor. He was the former Executive Director of Living Systems and retired in 1995. He was an American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy (AAMFT) Supervisor and a Diplomate for the American Association of Pastoral Counselors (AAPC). He is the author of many books on the application of Bowen family systems theory to organizations and relationships. He is now 85 and has been married to Lois Richardson for 58 years. Find Ron’s books by searching “Ronald W. Richardson” on Amazon.Resources:Murray Bowen: Family Therapy in Clinical PracticeMichael E. Kerr & Murray Bowen: Family EvaluationMichael E. Kerr: Bowen Theory's SecretsAnne S. McKnight: Thinking Systems John F. Butler chapter in: The Family Emotional System (Noone & Papero)Roberta Gilbert: The Eight Concepts of Bowen TheoryRoberta Gilbert: Extraordinary RelationshipsCheck out Amazon under “Ronald W. Richardson”Subscribe to Elevator Systems on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts!https://livingsystems.ca/resources/el...#bowenfamilysystemstheory #bowentheory #murraybowen #relationship #relationships #relationshipsystems #emotionalsystem #emotion #emotional #systems #family #groups #teamsLiving Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory:https://livingsystems.caDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy. The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Season 2 Episode 10This podcast episode looks at the concept of differentiation of self and what is unique about coaching or therapy using Bowen family systems theory. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of the concept, along with examples, what they find useful, and takeaway resources and ideas for further thinking.Kathleen Cotter Cauley is a licensed marriage and family therapist and has a private practice in both Virginia and Florida. She’s been a faculty member of the Bowen Center since 2012. Kathleen was involved in founding the Florida Family Research Network and has been on the faculty of Extraordinary Leadership and Systems Leadership seminars. She has been on review boards dealing with sex abuse scandals in the Catholic Church. She has also worked with guide dogs for over 30 years. Married for 40 years, she is a stepmom, and a grandma to three.Resources:Family Matters, Coaching with Bowen Theory: HereKatherine White, Moving Around the System paper: HereBowen networks and coaches across the world: Here#bowenfamilysystemstheory #bowentheory #murraybowen #relationship #family #self #differentiation #differentiationofself#coaching #therapy #counselling #neutrality #systemsLiving Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory:https://livingsystems.caDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Season 2 Episode 9This podcast episode looks at the concept of differentiation of self in Bowen family systems theory and what differentiation looks like in one’s own family. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of the concept, along with examples, what they find useful, and takeaway resources and ideas for further thinking.Dr. Mariana Martinez is a clinical psychologist who has applied Bowen theory in her teaching, clinical practice, and leadership roles. After earning her doctorate in clinical psychology, which focused on child and family studies, she joined the Bowen Center in 2008 and joined the faculty in 2012. At the Bowen Center, Mariana directed the Family Clinic for six years, hosted the television show Family Matters, and founded the Ibero-American Institute to promote Bowen theory in Spanish-speaking countries. She is also Executive Director for Family Wealth and Culture Services at Wells Fargo Bank.Resources:Elevator Systems, Season 1 - Differentiation of Self episodesYoutube 1 YouTube 2Ronald Richardson, Family Ties that Bind: Here.Jenny Brown, Growing Yourself Up: Here.Kathleen Smith, Everything Isn’t Terrible: Here.Martha Welch: Here.Robert Noone, Family and Self: Here.Dr. Mariana Martinez, Seeing the Blindspot: Here.#bowenfamilysystemstheory #bowentheory #murraybowen #relationship #family #self #differentiation #differentiationofselfLiving Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory:https://livingsystems.caDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk

Season 2 Episode 8This podcast episode looks at the concept of differentiation of self and the ideas of solid self and pseudo self in Bowen family systems theory. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of the concept, along with examples, what they find useful, and takeaway resources and ideas for further thinking.Dr. Carrie Collier is a researcher, lecturer and family therapist specializing in Bowen Family Systems Theory. She earned her PhD in Counsellor Education and has over 25 years of study and practice as a Licensed Professional Counsellor. She is on the faculty of The Bowen Center where she serves on the Board of Directors and was Director for two years. She published and validated a Family Unit Functioning Questionnaire used by therapists and researchers to gather information about families. Her most recent research on the language of naturein Murray Bowen's archival papers can be found in The Australian and New Zealand Journal of Family Therapy.Resources:Dr. Carrie Collier - The Language of Nature in Murray Bowen’s Writings: HereDr. Murray Bowen, Family Therapy in Clinical Practice (p 364-365): HereDr. Murray Bowen, "Chalk Talks": Here"All the World's A Stage": HereKathleen Smith, “Brick Wall Exercise” in Everything Isn’t Terrible: Here#bowenfamilysystemstheory#bowentheory#murraybowen #relationship #self #solid #pseudo #differentiation #differentiationofselfLiving Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory:https://livingsystems.caDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Season 2 Episode 7This podcast episode looks at the concept of societal emotional process in Bowen family systems theory. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of the concept, along with examples, what they find useful, and takeaway resources and ideas for further thinking.Lois Walker completed a diploma in nursing and then obtained a Bachelor of Nursing. As a young graduate nurse, Lois became interested in observing the diversity among families. Later, her interested was with the spiritual needs of individuals and families while working in cancer care and palliative care.In 1990, Lois entered the training program in Bowen theory at North Shore Counselling Center in Vancouver. At the same time, she completed a Masters of Divinity at the University of British Columbia. Following this, she completed three years of the post-graduate program at the Georgetown Family Center. (This is now the Bowen Center for the Study of the Family.)Over the last 34 year, Lois continued to learn and study Bowen theory. She has taught and provided clinical supervision in the training program at Living Systems.ResourcesFamily Matters, “Political Reactivity and Self Regulation”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr-VKvkRMqAFamily Matters “Making Decisions in the Midst of an Emotionally Aroused Social Environment”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY8qh5PRWqUJonathan Weiner, “The Beak of the Finch” https://tinyurl.com/cexbe5peJacques Barzun “From Dawn to Decadence” https://tinyurl.com/mr42fdj8Elinor Ostrom, “Governing the Commons” https://tinyurl.com/2hje4vkuDeborah Gordon “The Ecology of Collective Behavior” https://tinyurl.com/2s7p47ns#bowenfamilysystemstheory#bowentheory#murraybowen#relationship  #family #society #progression #regression #principles #leader #familysystemsLiving Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory:https://livingsystems.caDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

Season 2: Episode 6 This podcast episode looks at emotional cutoff in relationships, a concept in Bowen family systems theory. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of the concept, along with examples, what they find useful, and takeaway resources and ideas for further thinking. Dr. Mariana Martinez is a clinical psychologist who has applied Bowen theory in her teaching, clinical practice, and leadership roles. After earning her doctorate in clinical psychology, which focused on child and family studies, she joined the Bowen Center in 2008 and joined the faculty in 2012. At the Bowen Center, Mariana directed the Family Clinic for six years, hosted the television show Family Matters, and founded the Ibero-American Institute to promote Bowen theory in Spanish-speaking countries. She is also Executive Director for Family Wealth and Culture Services at Wells Fargo Bank. Resources Family Matters, Cutoff in Family Relationships: here. Anne McKnight, Two Perspectives on Family Rifts: here. Family Matters YouTube playlist: here. Dr. Mariana Martinez, “Seeing the Blindspot” here.

This podcast episode looks at sibling position as a concept in Bowen family systems theory and originating in the research of Dr. Walter Toman. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of the concept, along with examples, what they find useful, and takeaway resources and ideas for further thinking. Alejandro Astorga is a psychologist and family therapist who lives in Santiago de Chile. He has a Masters in family therapy and a Masters in law in children’s rights . He is Director of the Multigenerational Intervention Center in Santiago and a member of the Ibero-American Institute of the Bowen Center for the Study of the family. He is also Technical Director of Corporación Opcion, a non-profit organization that, in collaboration with the government, serves 15,000 children and their families throughout Chile. Resources: Walter Toman, “Family Constellation”: here. Alejandro Astorga research in Spanish:  here, here, and here. Family Matters episodes: “Sibling Position” and “Sibling Rivalry” Walter Smith, Family Projection Process: here TJ Therrien instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tj_therrien/ Eldest daughter research: here , here and here. --------- #bowenfamilysystemstheory #bowentheory #murraybowen #relationship #family #siblings #brother #sister #roles #oldest #youngest #middle Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.ca DISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

This podcast episode looks at the concept of the multigenerational transmission process in Bowen family systems theory. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of the concept, along with examples, what they find useful, and takeaway resources and ideas for further thinking. Dr. Carrie Collier is a researcher, lecturer and family therapist specializing in Bowen Family Systems Theory. She earned her PhD in Counsellor Education and has over 25 years of study and practice as a Licensed Professional Counsellor. She is on the faculty of The Bowen Center where she serves on the Board of Directors and was Director for two years. She published and validated a Family Unit Functioning Questionnaire used by therapists and researchers to gather information about families. Her most recent research on the language of nature in Murray Bowen's archival papers can be found in The Australian and New Zealand Journal of Family Therapy. Resources: Dr. Carrie Collier - The Language of Nature in Murray Bowen’s Writings: here. Elevator Systems, Season 1 Family Diagram episode: here. Family Matters - The Importance of Knowing Family History: here. Dr. Michael Kerr, Bowen Theory's Secrets: here. Dr. Kathleen Smith - The Inflexibility of Family Story: here. NY Times, One Set of China. Five Generations: here. #bowenfamilysystemstheory #bowentheory #murraybowen  #relationship #family #generations #patterns #familyhistory Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.ca DISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

This podcast episode looks at the family projection process in Bowen family systems theory. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of the concept, along with examples, what they find useful, and takeaway resources and ideas for further thinking. Dr. Walter Smith Jr. is a licensed psychologist, a retired Deputy Director and Clinical Director at the Allegheny County Dept of Human Services, was both a clinical director and then Executive Director of Family Resources. He is currently a board member of the Pittsburgh Foundation and Chair of the Board of Trustees of the Casey Family Programs foundation whose mission is to provide, improve, and ultimately prevent the need for foster care. Walter attended post graduate training in Bowen theory at the Georgetown Family Center in the early 1980s and his career has focused on understanding family violence and child abuse from a systems perspective. Resources:  Dr. Bowen “Chalk Talks”: here. Parent Hope Project & podcast: here. Philip Klever, “The Sensitivities of Marriage” article, Family Systems Forum, No. 3 Fall 2006: here. Dr. Michael Kerr, One Family’s Story: A Primer on Bowen Theory: here. Kathleen Smith, The Anxious Overachiever article, “Where is all your energy going?”:  here. #bowenfamilysystemstheory #bowentheory #murraybowen  #relationship #family, #marriage #projection #problemchild Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.ca DISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk. 

This episode discusses the Bowen family systems theory concept of the nuclear family emotional system, and what it means to look at the family and its processes and patterns from a systems perspective. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of the concept, along with examples, what they find useful, and takeaway resources and ideas for further thinking. Amie Post lives in Baltimore MD and is a marriage and family therapist. She is Executive Director of the Center for Family Systems Theory of Western New York and previously was Executive Director at the Family Crisis Center of Baltimore County. She’s been studying Bowen theory since the turn of the century (2001) and is a member of the faculty and on the board of directors at the Bowen Center in Washington DC. Resources:  Family Evaluation, Kerr & Bowen: here. Season 1, four relationship patterns/mechanisms episodes: here. S1Ep4: Conflict, S1Ep5: Distance, S1Ep6: Triangles, S1Ep7: Over/Under-Functioning  Victoria Harrison and phylogenetic lineage: here. October 17-18, 2025 Living Systems hybrid conference with Amie Post. Information will be posted when available here: #bowenfamilysystemstheory #bowentheory #murraybowen  #relationship #family #nuclearfamily #patterns #process #systems Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.ca DISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk

This episode revisits the concept of triangles in Bowen family systems theory, focusing on what it means to be in inside or outside positions in relationship triangles. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of the concept, along with examples, what they find useful, and takeaway resources and ideas for further thinking. Kathleen Cotter Cauley is a licensed marriage and family therapist and has a private practice in both Virginia and Florida. She’s been a faculty member of the Bowen Center since 2012. Kathleen was involved in founding the Florida Family Research Network and has been on the faculty of Extraordinary Leadership and Systems Leadership seminars. Kathleen has been on review boards dealing with sex abuse scandals in the Catholic Church. She has also worked with guide dogs for over 30 years. Kathleen has been married for 40 years, is a stepmom, and a grandma to three.  Resources: S1Ep6 Triangles episode with Dr. Jenny Brown here. Kathleen Cotter Cauley's chapter on stepfamilies in Peter Titelman, Triangles: Bowen Family Systems Theory Perspectives here. Dr. Daniel Papero article in Family Systems Journal Vol. 19.1, “A Review of Triangle Theory” here: Kathleen Cotter Cauley, Family Matters episode on Young Adults Leaving Home here:  Kathleen Smith The Anxious Overachiever triangle articles here. #bowenfamilysystemstheory #bowentheory #murraybowen #relationship #family #triangles Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.ca DISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk

Welcome to season two of Elevator Systems!  This pre-season episode gives an introduction to the eight concepts of Bowen family systems theory which will be the focus of season two. Each episode will involve an elevator pitch, examples, useful resources, and questions for further thinking on each of the eight concepts which Dr. Bowen developed from his observations of human functioning.  Dixie Vandersluys is the creator and host of Elevator Systems and is a Canadian Certified Counsellor. She currently lives in Manitoba, Canada where she has an online private practice and enjoys pursuing further education, including three years of post-graduate training with Living Systems. Dixie is a member of the faculty of Living Systems Counselling and Training. Katie White is a couple and family therapist who has been working clinically for over 20 years in the US, Australia and now in Vancouver, Canada. She has been studying and using Bowen Theory in her work and family life for 12 years.  She is the Executive Director of Living Systems, where she also teaches and supervises trainees, as well as having a private practice for individuals, couples and families.  Resources:  Dr. Bowen “Chalk Talks”: https://www.thebowencenter.org/bowen-theory-vids Bowen Center and Living Systems descriptions of 8 concepts: https://www.thebowencenter.org/introduction-eight-concepts https://livingsystems.ca/bowen-theory/ Amie Post Differentiation episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaaEbWwT9Qs #bowenfamilysystemstheory #bowentheory #murraybowen #relationship #family #concepts Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.ca DISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy.  The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

This podcast is the first of two episodes on the Bowen family system theory concept of differentiation of self. Part 1 looks specifically at the functioning of the emotional and intellectual systems within and between humans. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of this idea, along with examples, what they find important about the idea, and takeaway resources and ideas for further thinking. Amie Post lives in Baltimore MD where she is a Marriage and Family Therapist and has a practice coaching, consulting and educating based on Bowen theory. She was recently named as the Interim CEO/President of the Center for Family Systems Theory of Western New York, and previously was the Executive Director at the Family Crisis Center of Baltimore County. She began studying Bowen theory in 2001 and is a member of the board of directors and on the faculty of the Bowen Center in Washington DC. Resources: Dr. Murray Bowen,⁠ Family Therapy in Clinical Practice⁠ Bowen theory coaches in Canada: ⁠here⁠ Bowen theory coaches around the world: ⁠here⁠ Kathleen Smith, ⁠Everything Isn’t Terrible⁠: Kathleen Smith, ⁠True To You⁠: TIME STAMPS: Pitch - 2:00 Examples - 10:15 Usefulness - 21:00 Takeaway - 29:40 #bowenfamilysystemstheory #bowentheory #murraybowen #relationship #family #differentiation #differentiationofself #self #thoughts #feelings #emotions Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: ⁠here⁠ DISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy. The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

This podcast is the first of two episodes on the Bowen family system theory concept of differentiation of self. Part 1 looks specifically at the functioning of the emotional and intellectual systems within and between humans. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of this idea, along with examples, what they find important about the idea, and takeaway resources and ideas for further thinking. Amie Post lives in Baltimore MD where she is a Marriage and Family Therapist and has a practice coaching, consulting and educating based on Bowen theory. She was recently named as the Interim CEO/President of the Center for Family Systems Theory of Western New York, and previously was the Executive Director at the Family Crisis Center of Baltimore County. She began studying Bowen theory in 2001 and is a member of the board of directors and on the faculty of the Bowen Center in Washington DC. Resources: Dr. Murray Bowen, Family Therapy in Clinical Practice Bowen theory coaches in Canada: here Bowen theory coaches around the world: here Kathleen Smith, Everything Isn’t Terrible: Kathleen Smith, True To You: TIME STAMPS: Pitch - 2:00 Examples - 10:15 Usefulness - 21:00 Takeaway - 29:40 #bowenfamilysystemstheory #bowentheory #murraybowen #relationship #family #differentiation #differentiationofself #self #thoughts #feelings #emotions Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: here DISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy. The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

This podcast episode discusses the family diagram which looks at the family across generations highlighting dates, facts, events, and the relationship patterns of Bowen family systems theory. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of this idea, along with examples, what they find important about the idea, and takeaway resources and ideas for further thinking. Avrum Nadigel has been a marriage and family therapist for 25 years, and has completed postgraduate training in Bowen family systems theory. He is the author of three books, “Learning to Commit, “It Takes More than Love: A workbook for singles and couples” cowritten Dr. Aliza Israel, and “Where Would you Like to Start: A Master Therapist on Beginning Psychotherapy with families” cowritten with the late Dr. David Freeman. Avrum has co-produced two podcasts: “Pop Parenting” and “The Love Examined Playlist” podcasts. Resources: Avrum Nadigel’s website and book links: https://www.nadigel.com Jack Butler, Ed., The Origins of Family Psychotherapy Dr. Michael Kerr, Family Evaluation Victoria Harrison, The Family Diagram and Family Research book Timeline App: Patrick Stinson Family Diagram App: Living Systems Family of Origin workshop TIME STAMPS: Pitch - 2:15 Examples - 11:45 Usefulness - 19:30 Takeaway - 30:10 #bowenfamilysystemstheory #bowentheory #murraybowen #relationship #family #familydiagram #genogram #familytree #familyhistory Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.ca/ DISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy. The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

This podcast episode looks at the over and under-functioning relationship pattern in Bowen family systems theory. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of this idea, along with examples, what they find important about the idea, and takeaway resources and ideas for further thinking. Avrum Nadigel has been a marriage and family therapist for 25 years, and has completed postgraduate training in Bowen family systems theory. He is the author of three books, “Learning to Commit, “It Takes More than Love: A workbook for singles and couples” cowritten Dr. Aliza Israel, and “Where Would you Like to Start: A Master Therapist on Beginning Psychotherapy with families” cowritten with the late Dr. David Freeman. Avrum has co-produced two podcasts: “Pop Parenting” and “The Love Examined Playlist” podcasts. Resources: Avrum Nadigel’s website and book links: https://www.nadigel.com Kathleen Smith’s books: Everything Isn’t Terrible True To You: Dr. Murray Bowen,⁠ Family Therapy in Clinical Practice⁠ TIME STAMPS: Pitch - 3:00 Examples - 8:30 Usefulness - 19:20 Takeaway - 26:20 #bowenfamilysystemstheory #bowentheory #murraybowen #relationship #family #triangles Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: ⁠https://livingsystems.ca/⁠ DISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy. The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

This podcast episode looks at the concept of triangles, a relationship pattern in Bowen family systems theory that describes the interaction of more than two people in relationship. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of this idea, along with examples, what they find important about the idea, and takeaway resources and ideas for further thinking. Dr. Jenny Brown has worked in child and family mental health and family therapy since the 1980s as a trainer, supervisor, author and researcher. She is the Emeritus Executive Director of the Family Systems Institute Sydney and currently directs the Family Systems Practice and the Parent Hope Project. Jenny has published widely, including the best-selling book “Growing Yourself Up”, and the newly published “Facilitating Parent Agency in Child andAdolescent Mental Health – from Helplessness to Hope.” Resources: Jenny Brown, Growing Yourself Up Parent Hope Project: here Harriet Lerner, The Dance of Anger Roberta Gilbert, The Eight Concepts of Bowen Theory Peter Titleman, Triangles Bowen Center, The Basics Series Bowen training networks across the globe: https://www.thebowencenter.org/network-programs Dr. Murray Bowen, Family Therapy in Clinical Practice TIME STAMPS: Pitch - 2:15 Examples - 7:15 Usefulness - 19:30 Takeaway - 27:35 #bowenfamilysystemstheory #bowentheory #murraybowen #relationship #family #triangles Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.ca/ DISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy. The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

This podcast episode looks at the relationship pattern of distance in Bowen family systems theory from avoiding eye contact to cutting people out of one’s life. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of this idea, along with examples, what they find important about the idea, and takeaway resources and ideas for further thinking. Dr. Jenny Brown has worked in child and family mental health and family therapy since the 1980s as a trainer, supervisor, author and researcher. She is the Emeritus Executive Director of the Family Systems Institute Sydney and currently directs the Family Systems Practice and the Parent Hope Project. Jenny has published widely, including the best-selling book “Growing Yourself Up”, and the newly published “Facilitating Parent Agency in Child and Adolescent Mental Health – from Helplessness to Hope.” Resources: Jenny Brown, Growing Yourself Up Parent Hope Project: here Harriet Lerner, The Dance of Intimacy Harriet Lerner, The Dance of Connection Robert Creech, Family Systems and Congregational Life Notes of a Biology Watcher: here Dr. Murray Bowen, Family Therapy in Clinical Practice TIME STAMPS: Pitch - 2:30 Examples - 8:30 Usefulness - 17:45 Takeaway - 30:00 #bowenfamilysystemstheory #bowentheory #murraybowen #relationship #family #distance #closeness #cutoff #discomfort Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.ca/ DISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy. The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information from this podcast is used at your own risk.

This podcast episode examines the four relationship patterns described in Bowen family systems theory, focusing especially on the pattern of conflict. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of this idea, along with examples, what they find important about the idea, and takeaway resources and ideas for further thinking. Dr. Kathleen Smith is a licensed therapist and writer who lives in Washington, DC. Her books include Everything Isn't Terrible and True to You: A Therapist's Guide to Stop Pleasing Others and Start Being Yourself. She is an associate faculty member at the Bowen Center for the Study of the Family and author of the popular newsletter, The Anxious Overachiever. Resources: Resources:Kathleen Smith newsletter,  “Let’s Play Family Anxiety Bingo”https://theanxiousoverachiever.substa...Honeybee Democracy: https://tinyurl.com/2s4t8ks5Dr. Murray Bowen, Family Therapy in Clinical Practice: https://tinyurl.com/5yhxmna9Dr. Michael Kerr,  Family Evaluation: https://shorturl.at/QBpEuDr. Michael Kerr, Bowen Theory Secrets: https://shorturl.at/a0Y9kKathleen Smith, Everything Isn’t Terrible:  https://shorturl.at/uxl9lKathleen Smith, True To You: https://shorturl.at/5qyUT TIME STAMPS: Pitch - 3:05 Examples - 9:00 Usefulness - 22:30 Takeaway - 25:30 #bowenfamilysystemstheory #bowentheory #murraybowen #relationship #family #patterns #conflict

S1Ep3 Anxiety with Dave Galloway This podcast episode looks at the topic of anxiety and the difference Bowen family systems theory sees between acute anxiety and chronic anxiety. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of this idea, along with examples, what they find important about the idea, and takeaway resources and ideas for further thinking. Dave Galloway has been studying Bowen Theory for over 20 years. He has spoken at conferences, is an instructor, and writes on systems thinking. He is certified as Family Enterprise Advisor and Clear Leadership trainer. Having worked in the software industry for decades in leadership roles he has seen the impact of emotional functioning in work systems. Dave lives in Vancouver, BC and is on the faculty of Living Systems. Resources: Dr. Murray Bowen, Family Therapy in Clinical Practice: https://tinyurl.com/5yhxmna9 Dr. Michael Kerr, Family Evaluation: https://shorturl.at/QBpEu Dr. Michael Kerr, Bowen Theory Secrets: https://shorturl.at/a0Y9k Kathleen Smith, Everything Isn’t Terrible: https://shorturl.at/uxl9l Bowen-Kerr Interview #4: https://www.thebowencenter.org/bowen-theory-vids#bowen-kerr-interview- series TIME STAMPS: Pitch - 1:50 Examples - 15:00 Usefulness - 20:50 Takeaway - 29:15 #bowenfamilysystemstheory #bowentheory #murraybowen #relationship #family #anxiety Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.ca/ DISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy. The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.

This podcast episode looks at the idea of togetherness, a way Bowen family systems theory describes how people operate in relation to the group. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of this idea, along with examples, what they find important about the idea, and takeaway resources and ideas for further thinking. Dr. Kathleen Smith is a licensed therapist and writer who lives in Washington, DC. Her books include Everything Isn’t Terrible and True to You: A Therapist’s Guide to Stop Pleasing Others and Start Being Yourself. She is an associate faculty member at the Bowen Center for the Study of the Family and author of the popular newsletter, The Anxious Overachiever. Resources: Ashley Ward, The Social Life of Animals: https://tinyurl.com/y75n3vnzCacioppo & Patrick – Loneliness: Human Nature and the Need for Social Connection.Podcast – How Family Dynamics Play Out At Work: Morra Aarons-Mele. The Anxious Achiever. Nov 8, 2021.Kathleen Smith’s newsletter: https://theanxiousoverachiever.substack.com/Kathleen Smith, Everything Isn’t Terrible: https://shorturl.at/uxl9lKathleen Smith, True To You: https://shorturl.at/5qyUTDr. Murray Bowen, Family Therapy in Clinical Practice: https://tinyurl.com/5yhxmna9

Elevator Systems S1Ep1 Systems Thinking with Dave Galloway This podcast episode looks at the idea of systems thinking, a central topic of Bowen family systems theory. Each guest will give a brief elevator pitch of this idea, along with examples, what they find important about the idea, and takeaway resources and ideas for further thinking. Dave Galloway has been studying Bowen Theory for over 20 years. He has spoken at conferences, is an instructor, and writes on systems thinking. He is certified as Family Enterprise Advisor and Clear Leadership trainer. Having worked in the software industry for decades in leadership roles he has seen the impact of emotional functioning in work systems. Dave lives in Vancouver, BC and is on the faculty of Living Systems. Resources: Kathleen Smith newsletter, “When You’re Too Close to the Problem: https://theanxiousoverachiever.substack.com/p/when-youre-too-close-to-the-problem Questions for continued thinking: What are 5 or 10 other explanations you could make up for what’s happening here? If your parent/partner/kid were in the room, what would they have to say about this? Dr. Murray Bowen, Family Therapy in Clinical Practice: https://tinyurl.com/5yhxmna9 TIME STAMPS: Pitch - 2:00 Examples - 6:55 Usefulness - 15:35 Takeaway - 28:05 #bowenfamilysystemstheory #bowentheory #systems #murraybowen #relationship #family #systemsthinking Living Systems Counselling and Training provides educational material for those interested in learning more about Bowen family systems theory: https://livingsystems.ca/ DISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy. The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk. ___________________________________________________________________________

Elevator Systems is a podcast that looks at ideas and concepts from Bowen family systems theory in clear and understandable ways. In each episode, three Bowen-thinkers will discuss ideas from the theory beginning with their 30-second elevator pitch. Real-life examples will illustrate the topic and discuss what is useful, as well as takeaways and resources for further thinking. For people with zero to decades of experience with Bowen theory, these 30-minute segments are designed for easy and engaging listening, with the hope that listeners will take their thoughts, questions, and curiosity into their relationships.This podcast is produced by Living Systems Counselling and Training, a non-profit organization in Vancouver offering counselling and education in Bowen family systems theory across Canada.https://livingsystems.caDISCLAIMER: This podcast is general information about Bowen family systems theory and is not considered the practice of counselling or therapy. The information presented are the views of the people who say them. Any information used from this podcast is used at your own risk.