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Engaging Gray

by Mary

Listen to stories from practitioners and find encouragement and tips for engaging in the gray and unclear spaces of everyday life.

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Episodes

  1. Mentoring with AYA

    While this may not be the typical episode here is why this matters; first because as a former mentor who’s life was dramatically changed through this experience I can attest to its impact, and second, because as we think about change we need to consider just how uncomfortable we are willing to be...

  2. Control, Conflict, and Change with Jon Huckins

    This month's conversation centers around control, conflict, and how they are catalysts and barriers to change. We shy away from conflict and move towards comfort where we feel in control often robbing us of the opportunity to change. Sometimes the unexpected or even unwanted are the best…

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  3. Choosing Change with Mirabel Fonyuy Umenei

    Choosing to change is hard enough, it's made harder when we have to choose it over and over again. It can be even harder when those around us don't fully understand that change and yet, when grounded in our why we find ourselves changing for the better. Join us in this week's episode as we talk...

  4. Exponential change with Kristin Ekkens

    In this episode, we chat with Kristin Ekkens, Founder and Chief Culture Designer of Exponential Inclusion. Kristin and I talk about the barriers and tools of change. Not only that, we discuss how exponential change is possible and the potential future that opens up. Resources in the podcast:...

  5. Navigating change and unwelcome feedback

    Join me in this episode of Engaging Gray where we connect with Kirk Eklund about navigating change. Kirk discusses the common barriers he encounters, tools for overcoming them, and how he personally navigates change. Even when that change is brought about by unwelcome and unexpected feedback....

  6. Grounding for Growth - Carl Erickson

    In this week's episode of Engaging Gray we talk with Carl Erickson. Carl is the Founder and Executive Chairman of Atomic Object, a custom software design and development company. He is the Co-founder of Mader Mill, a sawmill in Indiana, and Chairman of Michigan Capital Network. Carl didn't begin...

  7. Multifaceted Focus with Adrian Butler

    In this episode, we talk with Adrian "AB" Butler about how he has defined and found success and focus. Sometimes we believe our careers have to be linear, but AB's story helps illuminate how when we allow ourselves to explore our passions while remaining focused on what matters most to us we can...

  8. Getting real about leading - Kim Bode

    In this week's episode of Engaging Gray, we hear from Kim Bode with over 15 years of experience in being not only a leader but also a business owner and founder. Kim's authenticity and transparency about the highs and lows of leadership, especially as a woman business owner, is refreshing and...

  9. Follow the fire in your belly - Andy Soper

    In this week's episode, we talk with Andy Soper about how he has created a career that to many may seem unorthodox and yet it's exactly what works for him and his family. We discuss how he identified what was most important to him, how he created a career around those things, and the benefits and...

  10. Being Human in Leadership - Lauren VanKeulen

    In this week's episode, we talk with Lauren VanKeulen, CEO of AYA Youth Collective, about how remembering and showing our humanity in leadership not only frees us but those around us as well from the unrealistic and unhealthy expectations we sometimes have. Lauren shares with us her leadership...

  11. Finding Hope in the Web - Hanna Schulze

    It can be daunting to try and make a difference, especially when you are fatigued and overwhelmed. In this episode, we talk with Hanna Schulze, who has worked in business and on behalf of businesses that demonstrate responsible practices for years. Her connection to the community both locally and...

  12. Mary DeYoung - appreciating mystery and accepting failure

    This is the final episode of Engaging Gray Podcast Season 2. I recap some of the key themes from this season as well as share two things I have learned are important for my own cultivation of perseverance: mystery and failure. I talk about how simple ideas such as, know yourself, are perhaps not…

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  13. Cole Arthur Riley - A Pace of Protection

    In this week's episode, we have the honor of hearing from Cole Arthur Rile, a gifted writer and liturgist, on how cultivating a pace of perseverance is more than about continuing to "do" but how it helps us BE fully. Cole shares with us how boundaries, silence, and reflection have been integral...

  14. Chelsea Garter - To persevere we have to trust and practice

    Today's guest inspires us to trust ourselves and how we were made to be free, creative, and thankful. Chelsea's way of seeing the world inspires us to see through a lens of gratitude and awe! This lens is captured in her art, but it's not always easy. Just like all of us, creatives have hard and...

  15. Dr. Michelle R. Loyd-Paige - Sustainability in DEI

    Talk to anyone who had been involved in integrating Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion into a system and you'll hear someone who has hit roadblocks and fought burnout. In this week's episode, we talk with Dr. Loyd-Paige who has been working in this arena for multiple decades on how she has…

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  16. Janay Brower - Keeping the Triple Bottom Line

    Cultivating and keeping a pace of perseverance and sustainability is hard enough as an entrepreneur, but add on top of that trying to be a triple bottom line business from the beginning?! Well, that's hard. Join me this week for an authentic conversation with Public Thread Founder, Janay Brower…

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  17. Elizabeth Maring - Living out of your Values

    Many people look forward to when they can "retire", mainly because they are exhausted. But not everyone is exhausted, some people have found a way to live a life that is sustainable and paced. Elizabeth Maring shares with us how she found and lived a life marked by a pace of perseverance and…

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  18. Ellie Roscher - Being rooted for forward movement

    In this week's episode, we talk with Ellie Roscher, author of the recently released book "12 Tiny Things" about how being rooted in ourselves, our beliefs, and priorities can give us the perseverance to show up in a busy and complex life. It's not always about making big shifts, sometimes they…

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  19. Hailey Mitsui - A Contemplative Relay

    On this week's episode, we have Hailey Mitsui! Hailey talks about how living a contemplative life is antithetical to performance, and performance is antithetical to perseverance. So how do we cultivate a contemplative life? How do we integrate this into our day to day, leading to a life marked by...

  20. Mary Hulst - How play helps you persevere.

    In this week's episode of Engaging Gray, we talk with Rev. Dr. Mary Hulst. Mary reminds us about the power of play, joy, and gratitude in cultivating perseverance when living a life fully engaged in messy spaces. Mary talks with us really practically about how we ground ourselves in the hard…

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  21. Tova Jones - How priorities help you pace.

    In this episode of Engaging Gray, we talk with Tova Jones, a wife, mother, and serial entrepreneur about how she and her husband have cultivated a pace of perseverance together. We get really practical about how to do it, why it's important, and talk about what it takes to do this well. We talk...

  22. How Cultural Intelligence can help your Antiracist Journey with Dr. Sandra Upton

    In this episode of Engaging Gray, we talk with Dr. Sandra Upton about how Cultural Intelligence can be a valuable tool and part of your antiracist journey. Whether it's as on your individual journey or your organizational journey, Cultural Intelligence can be a key part of growing in your…

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  23. Bridge Building with Shirley Hoogstra

    In this episode, we talk with Shirley Hoogstra, President of the Council for Christian Colleges and Universities, about bridge building. 2020 has been no stranger to dissent, tension, and unprecedented change. 2020 has left many of us feeling isolated and now more than ever it is hard to see the...

  24. Cultivating a Pace of Perseverance with Shannon Cohen

    In this episode, I talk with Emotional Intelligence Expert Shannon Cohen about how we can cultivate new skills to cope and even flourish in such a time as this. Shannon shares wisdom and practical experience for how we can see cliffs as launch pads. As Shannon says, "This is not a bootstrap…

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  25. White Liberalism with Jer Swigart

    The political climate is tense right now. Jer Swigart joins us from Oregon to talk with us about what his current context has revealed about white supremacy and white liberalism. He describes this context, what it looks like, and how it keeps us divided. We discuss what the root of this may be…

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  26. Engaging the news with Michelle Jokisch-Polo

    We are bombarded with messages every day. Sometimes it can be hard to tell fact from fiction, and this can cause friction between ourselves and others. Michelle joins us to talk about journalism, about how she does it, and how we can get better at navigating through all of the noise. Tune in for...

  27. Ourselves and DEI: Guest Shavon Doyle- Holton

    One of the grayest spaces is found in relationships. It can feel even more unclear when we are building those relationships with people who are very different than ourselves. Shavon has worked for years with individuals and companies on how to navigate these spaces and how to make sure that these...

  28. Ourselves and Leadership: Guest Abbey Johnston

    Abbey Johnston, Co-Owner of AG Collaborative joins us for a discussion on why knowing ourselves is key to leadership. We talk about the barriers we face when starting this journey of self-discovery, tools to help us continue, and the impact it has on our teams and ourselves when we invest in this...

  29. Ourselves and Goals: Guest Sam Jones

    Sometimes we set goals but because we haven't done the work yet of getting to know ourselves, we end up running into barriers that prevent us from reaching them. Sam Jones, Founder of the Wisdom Center joins us to discuss how, working on our own goals, or working on our personal lives, requires…

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  30. Starting with ourselves

    We're starting where we often do, with ourselves. In this episode, we talk about why understanding and accepting ourselves is key to engaging gray spaces. How knowing your starting point for any self-improvement or transformation is essential for lasting and impactful change. We scratch the…

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Listen to stories from practitioners and find encouragement and tips for engaging in the gray and unclear spaces of everyday life.

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Listen to stories from practitioners and find encouragement and tips for engaging in the gray and unclear spaces of everyday life.

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