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Housing Insiders
by Jonathan Lawless and Jeremy Potter
The housing market is wonky. From policy changes to financial innovations to pilot projects that make housing more plentiful and affordable, there's a ton of "inside baseball" to discuss and take action on. Each episode, hear the latest developments and trends in home building and home financing - from "sticks-and-bricks" to AI - and learn what you can do to improve the housing industry. Hosted by housing market thought leaders Jonathan Lawless and Jeremy Potter, and featuring interviews with disruptive guests across the housing industry. If you want to see everyone well-housed, tune in.Jonathan Lawless has spent his career promoting innovative solutions to expand access to credit and affordable housing, serving in leadership roles at Fannie Mae and Pathway Homes. He is currently the Head of Homeownership at Bilt Rewards, the first loyalty program that allows customers to earn points when paying their rent. Jeremy Potter is an attorney who led Quicken Loans' Capital Markets Strategy
Episodes
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Introducing Kelley Blue Book Homes: Jeremy Potter on the Future of Home Valuation
Big news calls for a special episode. In this episode of Housing Insiders, Jonathan interviews Jeremy about the launch of Kelley Blue Book Homes, and his role in the new platform. Hear how Jeremy entered his Appraisal Era, why Kelley Blue Book is adding housing to their legendary offering, how...
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AI Mortgages: Tidalwave's Diane Yu on Removing the Bottlenecks in the Mortgage Process
Tidalwave Co-Founder & CEO Diane Yu joins Jonathan & Jeremy on this episode of Housing Insiders to chat using AI to remove the bottlenecks in the mortgage process. Tidalwave is your 24/7 AI-native loan assistant, handling data entry, document reviewing, and loan processing for both lenders &...
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Mortgage Month - Part 2: Vellum Mortgage's Patrick Gardner on How AI Can Improve the Mortgage Process
Vellum Mortgage Principal Patrick Gardner joins Jonathan & Jeremy as a returning guest (without bourbon this time) on this episode of Housing Insiders for Part 2 of Mortgage Month to discuss how AI can improve the mortgage process. Patrick founded Vellum Mortgage to provide transparency and speed...
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Mortgage Month - Part 1: Prosperity Home Mortgage's Justin Messer on Achieving Customer Satisfaction as a Mortgage Lender
Prosperity Home Mortgage President & CEO Justin Messer joins Jonathan & Jeremy on this episode of Housing Insiders for Part 1 of Mortgage Month to chat achieving customer satisfaction as a mortgage lender. Prosperity Home Mortgage is a full-service mortgage banker specializing in residential &...
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The Intersection of Capital Markets & Housing: Dynex Capital's Byron Boston & Smriti Popenoe on the Role of REITs (Real Estate Investment Trusts)
Dynex Capital Chairman & Co-CEO Byron Boston and Co-CEO & President Smriti Popenoe join Jonathan & Jeremy on this episode of Housing Insiders to chat the intersection of capital markets & housing, and the role of REITs (real estate investment trusts). Dynex Capital proudly leads the way in…
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Real Estate Agents Aren't Going Away: eXp Realty's Leo Pareja on the Real Estate Brokerage World
eXp Realty CEO Leo Pareja joins Jonathan & Jeremy on this episode of Housing Insiders to chat why real estate agents aren't going anywhere anytime soon, plus the latest happenings in the real estate brokerage world. eXp Realty is the largest independent real estate brokerage in the world. Hear...
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Looking Back at The Year Ahead in Housing: Revisiting Our 2025 Recap & 2026 Predictions for the Housing Industry
We're almost halfway through 2026. What did we get right? What did we get wrong? What would've been impossible for us to predict? What should we be thinking about for the 2nd half of 2026? These are the questions Jeremy answers to start off this special look back at our 2025 recap & 2026...
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Making Modular Housing Actually Work: Cloud Apartments' Apoorva Pasricha on Beating the Odds with Modular Multifamily Development
Cloud Apartments Chief Operating Officer Apoorva Pasricha joins Jonathan & Jeremy on this episode of Housing Insiders to chat using tech, partners, and a smart business model to provide an enduring solution for modular housing. Cloud Apartments reduces the cost of multifamily development through...
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Baby Bust, Housing Bust: Author & Washington Examiner's Tim Carney on How America Became Family Unfriendly
Author, Washington Examiner Senior Political Columnist, and American Enterprise Institute (AEI) Senior Fellow Tim Carney joins Jonathan & Jeremy on this episode of Housing Insiders to chat the ties between the baby bust & housing crisis in the US. Tim's latest book is Family Unfriendly: How Our...
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As Goes Detroit, So Goes the Nation: Gilbert Family Foundation & Rocket Community Fund's Laura Grannemann on Housing Lessons from the Motor City
Gilbert Family Foundation & Rocket Community Fund Executive Director Laura Grannemann joins Jonathan & Jeremy on this episode of Housing Insiders to discuss housing lessons for the US based on their work in Detroit. The Gilbert Family Foundation (GFF) exists to accelerate a cure for NF1 and grow...
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Disrupting the Real Estate Agent Segment with AI: Homa's Arman Javaherian on How to Win as a Housing Startup
Homa CEO & Co-Founder Arman Javaherian - a former Senior Director at Zillow - joins Jonathan & Jeremy on this episode of Housing Insiders to discuss disrupting the real estate agent segment with AI. Homa replaces the traditional buyer's agent, combining AI with expert support while returning up…
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Bonus Episode: Talking Trump's Executive Orders on Housing with Mindset's Jeb Mason
And just like that, we're back with a Bonus Episode covering more breaking news in housing! In this episode of Housing Insiders, returning guest Jeb Mason of public policy consultancy Mindset joins Jonathan & Jeremy to break down Trump's 2 executive orders related to housing affordability &...
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21st Century ROAD to Housing Act: Baker Donelson's Kara Ward on What's Next for Housing Supply
Baker Donelson Shareholder Kara Ward joins Jonathan & Jeremy on this episode of Housing Insiders to discuss the 21st Century ROAD to Housing Act, which the Senate recently passed. Hear the most impactful provisions in the bill, why it's being portrayed as anti-investor, the areas where it could...
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Will AI Replace My Job in the Housing Industry? The 2028 Global Intelligence Crisis in Housing Finance
Congrats on surviving the AI crisis. In this episode of Housing Insiders, Jonathan & Jeremy take a stab at AI doomsday from a housing lens, inspired by The 2028 Global Intelligence Crisis by Alap Shah & Citrini Research. Hear whether AI will make housing tech & human intelligence worthless, what...
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Bonus Episode: Prosperity Now's Chrissi Johnson & Nestment's Niles Lichtenstein On Life after the Starter Home
In this Bonus Episode of Housing Insiders, Jeremy Potter continues the conversation with Prosperity Now's Chrissi Johnson and Nestment's Niles Lichtenstein about the fate of the starter home. The trio's new report, The Starter Home Is Dead. Now What?, is a eulogy to a bygone era of traditional...
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Shared Equity Series - Part 2: Homium's Marcus Martin & Crib Equity's Skye Laudari on New Models to Share Home Equity
It's a Housing Insiders month unlike any other. This month, we're sharing a 2-part series on shared equity, featuring models that allow consumers to do something besides just renting or owning a home, but sharing. In Part 2, you'll hear Jonathan & Jeremy interview Homium CEO Marcus Martin and…
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Shared Equity Series - Part 1: Ownify's Frank Rohde & Cedar's Stuart Allan on New Models to Share Home Equity
It's a Housing Insiders month unlike any other. This month, we're sharing a 2-part series on shared equity, featuring models that allow consumers to do something besides just renting or owning a home, but sharing. In Part 1, you'll hear Jonathan & Jeremy introduce the concept & key terminology of...
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Breaking Ground, Breaking Rules: btcRE's Ryan Gorman on Winning at Redevelopment
Former Coldwell Banker CEO and now btcRE Founder Ryan Gorman spends his time turning stubborn buildings into productive, community‑anchored assets. In this episode of Housing Insiders, Ryan joins Jonathan and Jeremy to talk candidly about what it really takes to make a redevelopment pencil out...
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Bonus Episode: The Starter Home Is Dead. Now What? With Nestment's Niles Lichtenstein
Jeremy Potter picks up the solo hosting duties in this Bonus Episode of Housing Insiders live from the 2025 Prosperity Summit. He was on a panel with Niles Lichtenstein, the Co-Founder & CEO of Nestment - the team of first-time homebuying experts. In this session, they tackle the death of the...
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The Year Ahead in Housing: 2025 Recap & 2026 Predictions for the Housing Industry
Another crazy year, another crazy year in the housing industry. In this special episode of Housing Insiders, Jonathan & Jeremy look back at how their 2025 housing predictions fared and reveal their housing predictions for 2026. Hear what excites them about innovation in the housing industry, how…
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Dear Director Pulte: A Christmas Wish List for the GSEs
It's the most wonderful time of the year, so we naturally had to get something off our chest. In this special episode of Housing Insiders, Jeremy plays solo host and Jonathan plays guest, bringing his Christmas Wish List for FHFA Director Bill Pulte and the GSEs. It's an extra passion-filled...
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Zoning, GSEs, and the Housing Squeeze: The Bipartisan Policy Center's Dennis Shea
Dennis Shea is the Executive Vice President and Chair of the J. Ronald Terwilliger Center for Housing Policy at the Bipartisan Policy Center (BPC). His past work with the Bipartisan Center includes serving as a consultant to the BPC's blue-ribbon Housing Commission and its Senior Health and…
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Thanksgiving Special: A Full Thanksgiving Meal of Housing Topics & Traditions
Happy Thanksgiving! Thank you for tuning into Housing Insiders and for making this show so special. In this Thanksgiving Special episode, Jonathan & Jeremy serve up their favorite Thanksgiving meal traditions - from those cheese ball appetizers to the air-fried bird - along with sides of their...
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Inspector Gadgets? Inspectify's Josh Jensen on Simplifying Home Inspections
Inspectify Co-Founder & CEO Josh Jensen is fed up with the state of property & home inspections. That's why he started his company - a vertically integrated property inspection & underwriting platform. He joins Jonathan Lawless & Jeremy Potter in this fiery episode of Housing Insiders - not...
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Founders in Focus: Vellum Mortgage's Patrick Gardner & Ardley's Nate Den Herder on Building Smarter Lending
Vellum Mortgage Principal Patrick Gardner and Ardley Founder & CEO Nate Den Herder join their buddies Jonathan Lawless and Jeremy Potter for a special in-person, Horse Soldier Bourbon-fueled edition of Housing Insiders. Gardner founded Vellum Mortgage to provide transparency and speed to…
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ADUs to the Rescue: Villa's Sean Roberts on Offsite Construction & Industrialized Construction
Villa CEO Sean Roberts joins Housing Insiders to share the latest & greatest from the world of offsite construction as it relates to ADUs (Accessory Dwelling Units). From design to doorbell, Villa's ADUs offer a turnkey solution for primary homes, multifamily developments, and neighborhoods. Hear...
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Bonus Episode: Housing Lessons Learned from Up For Growth's Michigan Regional Pro-Housing Policy Forum
Jeremy Potter picks up the solo hosting duties in this Bonus Episode of Housing Insiders live from Up For Growth's Michigan Regional Pro-Housing Policy Forum in downtown Detroit. The conference convenes leaders from government, business, finance, and advocacy to cut through political gridlock,...
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Beyond the Single Family Home: Diana Lind on Rethinking How Americans Live
Author & Nonprofit Executive Diana Lind joins Housing Insiders to talk about her journey from architecture and design writer to housing policy expert. Diana is the Philadelphia Program Officer of the Asset Funders Network and the founder and author of The New Urban Order Substack. Her most recent...
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Gen Z Doesn't Believe You: FirstHome IQ's Kristin Messerli on Housing's Trust Problem
FirstHome IQ Co-Founder & Executive Director Kristin Messerli joins Housing Insiders to reveal the surprising stats & trends from the 2025 NextGen Homebuyer Report. The report covers Millennial and Gen Z homebuying trends, tying to Kristin's mission of delivering homeowner education before the…
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Beyond Blueprints: Turning Housing Ideas Into Action with Housing Innovation Alliance's Dennis Steigerwalt
Housing Innovation Alliance President Dennis Steigerwalt joins Housing Insiders to talk about the work of his "crowd-accelerated innovation platform" to identify success stories in the market and bring together financiers and builders to scale innovation. From the Picket Fence Concept Home in...
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Hispanic Homeownership: NAHREP's Jason Riveiro on Trends, Challenges, and Opportunities to Reach Latino Buyers
Welcome to Season 2 of Housing Insiders, where we'll be bringing you more of the conversations you won't hear anywhere else – about how to make housing more innovative, affordable and accessible. Kicking us off this season is Jason Riveiro, Senior Advisor to the CEO of NAHREP (National…
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From the Backyard to the Blockchain: This Week in Housing
On this "Value Meal" episode of Housing Insiders, Jonathan & Jeremy take a bite out of all the latest housing headlines. On the menu: the latest Bilt funding round and how it skyrocketed the platform's valuation, what the proposed ADU bill on Capitol Hill could mean for homeowners & real estate...
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Swing for the Fences: A Conversation with Clear Capital's Kenon Chen about Disrupting the Status Quo
Kenon Chen, Clear Capital's EVP of Strategy and Growth, joins the show for a round-robin discussion of the housing headlines, including FHFA Director Bill Pulte's surprise announcement that Fannie and Freddie would now accept VantageScore for mortgage underwriting. It's a big swing for the…
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Navigating Turmoil in the Mortgage World: A Conversation with Saul Ewing's Trip Riley & Jason McElroy
Saul Ewing Partners Trip Riley & Jason McElroy are the perfect guests to shed light on the current regulatory ambiguity in the housing and mortgage market. Their expertise spans mortgage origination and servicing, regulatory counseling, compliance auditing, and litigation defense. On this…
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Get Smoked or Get Smart: Rocket's Bob Walters on AI and the Future of the Mortgage Industry
Former Rocket Mortgage CEO Bob Walters spent 28 years transforming the company from a small regional brokerage into the country's largest mortgage lender. Walters joins Housing Insiders to share what he learned along the way from Rocket Founder Dan Gilbert and how their work simplifying and...
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Solving the Housing Shortage with Mike Kingsella, Up for Growth
Up for Growth is a national, cross-sector member network committed to solving the housing shortage and affordability crisis through data-driven research and evidence-based policy. Founder & CEO Mike Kingsella joins Housing Insiders to talk why some cities grow and others struggle, whether the...
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A New National Building Code: The Obvious Answer with Ivan Rupnik, MOD X
Ivan Rupnik is Associate Professor of Architecture at Northeastern University and Founding Partner of MOD X, a research-based advisory he started along with Ryan E. Smith and Tyler Schmetterer that supports the global offsite construction industry. He joins Housing Insiders to talk about building...
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The Apartment Equation: Talking Trends, Tech, and Tenants with NAA's Bob Pinnegar
Bob Pinnegar is the President and CEO of the National Apartment Association (NAA), a trade association representing 95,000 members with over 12 million rental units nationwide. Bob joins Housing Insiders to talk about the state of multifamily housing and the complicated factors - from interest...
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The Ivory Prize Top 10: A Conversation with Jenna Louie, Ivory Innovations
Drumroll, please! Chief Innovation and Strategy Officer Jenna Louie of Ivory Innovations joins Housing Insiders to announce the Top 10 finalists for its prestigious Ivory Prize, a national award designed to recognize and support innovative and scalable solutions addressing the housing…
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AI and the Future of Mortgage Infrastructure: A Conversation with Mike Yu, Vesta
In this episode of Housing Insiders, Jonathan & Jeremy are joined by Mike Yu to talk the past, present, and future of technology in mortgage lending - and the huge role AI will play in mortgage digitization. Mike is the Co-Founder & CEO of Vesta, a provider of next generation mortgage loan...
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Upheaval at the GSEs: A Conversation with Jim Parrott, Urban Institute
In this episode of Housing Insiders, Jonathan & Jeremy are joined by Jim Parrott to talk about the latest shakeups at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, including the removal of 14 board members and the firing of the CEO of Freddie Mac. With Bill Pulte as the new, self-appointed chairman of the board of...
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Housing Hot Takes
On this episode of Housing Insiders, Jonathan & Jeremy discuss the latest housing news from Washington, starting with the DOGE staffers at HUD (Housing and Urban Development) and whether or not fears about their access to valuable data are overblown. Next, will the return to office further...
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Understanding RESPA: A Conversation with Attorney Trip Riley
In this episode of Housing Insiders, Jonathan & Jeremy talk GSEs and the potential impact on mortgage rates should the Trump administration pull Fannie and Freddie out of conservatorship. Next, while the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) may be on ice, the Real Estate Settlement...
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A Chaotic 24 Hours: Federal Funding & HUD
On this episode of Housing Insiders, Jonathan & Jeremy discuss the confusion that reigned in Washington, DC last week, after the White House memo ordering a freeze on all federal grants and loans seemed to put a myriad of housing programs in jeopardy. According to Jonathan, "If you want to stop...
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Reaching the Unbanked through Fintech: A Conversation with Steve Royster, MoCaFi
In this episode of Housing Insiders, Jonathan & Jeremy discuss what the wildfires mean for homeowners insurance nationwide and the long-term impact the wildfires will have on the homebuilding process, including the prognosis for factory-built homes. Next, Steve Royster, Head of Community Banking…
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The Year Ahead in Housing: 2024 Recap & 2025 Predictions for the Housing Industry
It's a time unlike any other in the housing industry. In this special episode of Housing Insiders, Jonathan & Jeremy review the highlight reel of some of their favorite guests from 2024, discussing insights learned and revealing their big bets for 2025. Hear their positive & negative takes on the...
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Investing in AI Housing Startups: A Conversation with Jared Stasik, Detroit Venture Partners (DVP)
Jared Stasik, Partner at Detroit Venture Partners (DVP), joins Housing Insiders to chat a day in the life of funding early-stage tech companies, including housing startups. DVP was founded in 2010 by Dan Gilbert, Quicken Loans/Rocket Mortgage Founder & Chairman and owner of the Cleveland…
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Momentum in Modular: A Conversation with Hugh Frater, Vessel Technologies
Hugh Frater, the former CEO of Fannie Mae (and Jonathan's old boss) joins Housing Insiders to offer his blunt take on solving the housing crisis. According to Frater, "I don't think we should be promoting homeownership per se. I think we should just be finding ways to deliver more housing without...
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Market Trends: A Conversation with Ivy Zelman
Ivy Zelman is the CEO of Zelman & Associates. When it comes to housing trends, Ivy has developed a reputation for "seeing around corners,'' and her accurate forecasts – including predicting the 2008 housing crash - make her one of the most influential people we know. In this episode, Ivy takes…
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The 401(k) for Homeownership: A Conversation with Landy Liu, Foyer
The down payment on a home continues to be unrealistic for many Americans. How can we change that? Landy Liu is the Founder of Foyer, a savings platform for first-time homebuyers. Think of it as the "401(k) for homeownership." Hear him reveal how their savings platform works, the key things to…
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
The housing market is wonky. From policy changes to financial innovations to pilot projects that make housing more plentiful and affordable, there's a ton of "inside baseball" to discuss and take action on. Each episode, hear the latest developments and trends in home building and home financing - from "sticks-and-bricks" to AI - and learn what you can do to improve the housing industry. Hosted by housing market thought leaders Jonathan Lawless and Jeremy Potter, and featuring interviews with disruptive guests across the housing industry. If you want to see everyone well-housed, tune in.Jonathan Lawless has spent his career promoting innovative solutions to expand access to credit and affordable housing, serving in leadership roles at Fannie Mae and Pathway Homes. He is currently the Head of Homeownership at Bilt Rewards, the first loyalty program that allows customers to earn points when paying their rent. Jeremy Potter is an attorney who led Quicken Loans' Capital Markets Strategy
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