In the Church Library

Send a textJoin Marissa and Andrew Remington Rillera in the church library for today's bonus episode discussing Andrew's book Lamb of the Free: Recovering the Varied Sacrificial Understandings of Jesus's Death, his insight into the sacrificial system of the Torah, and the implications this has for our theories about atonement and family life.Things mentioned in the episode: -Andrew's article on Ephesians 2-Jesus and the Law of Moses: The Gospels and the Restoration of Israel within First-Century Judaism, by: Paul T. Sloan-Anselm's Cur Deus Homo-Hannah Bowman's  article From Substitution to Solidarity: Towards an Abolitionist Atonement Theology-Peter Leithart's critique of Andrew's book-Andrew's response to Peter's critiqueFind Andrew on X/Twitter and Bluesky***Episode Chapter Markers: 3:21—Andrew's bio/introduction6:23—Penal Substitutionary Atonement (PSA) defined22:20—Is PSA "the Gospel"?47:28—Significance of the "washing" imagery in the sacrificial system57:13—Where did we go wrong with our understanding of this imagery?1:01:22—What are the implications for parenting?1:18:43—Discussion of recent social media conversation on PSA & critiques of Andrew's book***Connect with Marissa & Kelsey across social mediaMarissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookPreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library as they answer your questions. In this final episode for S1, they answer: 12:52 Q: Could you describe the survey process you used?22:44 Q: Where on the theological/denominational spectrum do most of these resources fall? What about your book? What about your biases?36:25 Q: Can you speak to the parallels between authoritarian parenting and penal substitutionary atonement (PSA)? 38:25 Q:How as research/writing/podcasting affected your parenting?50:08 Q: Have these resources set parents up for spiritual and emotional abuse? If so, how? You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookPreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss Nancy and Colin Campbell's Above Rubies ministries, as well as some of their resources—The Power of Motherhood and Be Fruitful and Multiply—and their connection to CCM's Newsboys.Mentioned in the episode: Orphan Fever: The Evangelical Movement's Adoption Obsession, by: Kathryn JoyceYou can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookPreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Tia Levings, author of the best-selling memoir A Well-Trained Wife: My Escape from Christian Patriarchy.Connect with Tia online: Facebook, Instagram, Threads, SubstackYou can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! Sign-up form for pre-order bonuses coming soon!PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textContent Warning: This episode contains discussion of child mistreatment, abuse, and death. Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the book To Train Up A Child, by: Michael and Debi Pearl.You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Sunita Theiss to discuss neurodiversity in faith communities and familiesConnect with Sunita online: Instagram, LinkedIn, SubstackMentioned in the conversation:--Use code LIBRARY for a discount for her upcoming workshop and Q&A: Parenting PDA Children with Grace & Hope:  A Christian Perspective on Understanding, Supporting, and Raising PDA Children (8/14/25 at 9AMPT/12ET)--Use SUNITA15 for $15 off low demand parent coaching now through 8/31/25. Learn more about Sunita's work with Amanda Diekman's team and schedule a free intro call here. --Accessible Church: A Gospel-Centered Vision for Including People with Disabilities and Their Families, by: Sandra Peoples--Dr. David and Amanda Erickson of Flourishing Homes and Families and their new book The Flourishing Family--Key Ministry resources and conference--Kim Botto's work--With MinistriesYou can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! Bookshop Amazon Barnes&Noble PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the book Parenting: 14 Gospel Principles That Can Radically Change Your Family, by: Paul David Tripp.You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! This week, Barnes & Noble is offering 25% off preorders with the code PREORDER25.PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Pieter Valk of Equip Ministries to discuss James Dobson's Bringing Up Boys, masculinity, and the implications of popular Christian parenting teaching for LGBT+ people.Connect with Pieter online: Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TwitterMentioned in our conversation: Equip's Parent CourseYou can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! Sign-up form for pre-order bonuses coming soon!PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the Growing Kids God's Way parenting empire. In Part 2, we discuss how Gary and Anne Marie came to be popular Christian parenting experts, their curricula Growing Kids God's Way, and the controversy surrounding their methods. For more reading on the Ezzos, see http://ezzo.info/"The Parent Trap," by: Jensen Davis takes an in-depth look at the Ezzos' approachYou can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Catherine McNiel and Jason Hague, authors of the book Mid-Faith Crisis: Finding a Path Through Doubt, Disillusionment, and Dead Ends.Connect with Catherine online: Bluesky, Facebook, Instagram, Threads, Twitter/XConnect with Jason online: FacebookYou can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! Sign-up form for pre-order bonuses coming soon!PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library as they answer your questions. In Part 2, they answer: 1:27 Q: How do you internally & externally handle criticism of your toddlers displaying developmentally appropriate but situationally inappropriate behaviors that children trained under authoritarianism typically don't do? 11:09 Q: What recommendations do you have for church children's ministry training?We mention: Center for Faith and Children, Godly Play & Catechesis of the Good Shepherd13:58 Q: What is your favorite part about being a mother? 17:24 Q: What parameters have you found to be the norm for how spanking occurs? Did the ancient Israelites spank their children for education?36:07 Q: Where did you go to school(s)?39:38 Q: What are some healthy Christian parenting books you enjoy? Households of Faith, by: Emily Hunter McGowin; Connected Families, Flourishing Homes and Families46:47 Q: What (if any) resources you read including anything about disability? Esp developmental? 56:12 Q: How did you get into the pitfalls of Christian parenting? 1:00:32 Q: Did either of you experience any evangelical parenting techniques as children? 1:05:15 Q: And a clarification regarding nouthetic/biblical counseling and why we use the termYou can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Camden Morgante, author of the book Recovering from Purity Culture: Dismantle the Myths, Reject Shame-Based Sexuality, and Move Forward in Your Faith.Connect with Dr. Camden online: Instagram, Threads, Facebook, and her Substack Walking the Middle Path.You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! Sign-up form for pre-order bonuses coming soon!PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library as they answer your questions. In Part 1, they answer: 2:13 Q: What resources do you recommend? 17:06 Q: How would you measure a "healthy" church, especially in re: parenting teaching coming from the pulpit? 34:32 Q: Given 1 Timothy 3:4, is it honorable for all parents to "require obedience"? Note: For further discussion of these Bible passages, see Marissa's series on this: Part 1, Part 2, Summary53:41 Q: How does the marketing of Christian parenting resources work? You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the Growing Kids God's Way parenting empire. In Part 1, we discuss how Gary and Anne Marie came to be popular Christian parenting experts, their book On Becoming Babywise: Giving Your Infant the Gift of Nighttime Sleep, and the controversy surrounding their methods. For more reading on the Ezzos, see http://ezzo.info/"The Parent Trap," by: Jensen Davis takes an in-depth look at the Ezzos' approachYouTube link for an IG conversation with Marissa and Kelsey on Gentle ParentingYou can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss gentle parenting, attachment parenting, and Jesus, the Gentle Parent: Gentle Christian Parenting, by: LR Knost. YouTube link for an IG conversation with Marissa and Kelsey on Gentle ParentingYou can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! Sign-up form for pre-order bonuses coming soon!PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss a popular, best-selling Christian parenting book from the 1970s: The Christian Family, by: Larry Christenson. In this episode they discuss the socio-political climate of the 1970s, the way mainline denominations folded into broader evangelicalism, viewpoints on household authority structures, and corporal punishment as a perceived essential ingredient to maintaining order.You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! Sign-up form for pre-order bonuses coming soon!PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Emily Hunter McGowin, author of the book Households of Faith: Practicing Family in the Kingdom of God.You can find more about Emily and her books here: https://www.emilymcgowin.com/You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! Sign-up form for pre-order bonuses coming soon!PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the popular Christian parenting book: Shepherding a Child's Heart, by: Tedd Tripp.You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! Sign-up form for pre-order bonuses coming soon!PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a sampling of books that represent different elements of popular Christian teaching. Episode One closed with the note that the next episode would cover Tedd Tripp's book Shepherding A Child's Heart, but that will be the topic for Episode Three.Note: In this episode, when Marissa is describing the history of the nouthetic movement she indicates that Jay Adams was studying to be a counselor and that is when he became disillusioned with pyschology. This needs further clarification: Adams at that time was shadowing a psychologist in order to head up a Christian counseling program at Westminster. So while he was learning about psychology, he was not in a formal program to become a psychologist or something of that nature.Books we discuss in this episode: Books by James DobsonBooks by John RosemondHow to Rear Children, by: Jack HylesThe Christian Family, by: Larry ChristensonTo Train Up a Child, by: Michael & Debi PearlThe Power of Motherhood, by: Nancy CampbellRaising Godly Tomatoes, by: L. Elizabeth KreugerThe Strong Family, by: Chuck SwindollHints on Child Training, by: Henry Clay TrumbullJesus, the Gentle Parent, by: L R KnostThe Hurting Parent, by: Margie LewisOn Becoming Babywise, by: Gary and Anne Marie EzzoDon't Make Me Count to Three, by: Ginger (Plowman) HubbardBoundaries With Kids, by: Cloud & TownsendYou can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation about some of the resources that they want to spotlight from their research. Episode One drops 4/3/25, but until then, you can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! Sign-up form for pre-order bonuses coming soon!PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss popular Christian resources! What will Marissa and Kelsey be discussing? In this trailer, they give a brief overview and welcome to season one's conversation, which will focus on parenting books. Episode One drops 4/3/25, but until then, you can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! Sign-up form for pre-order bonuses coming soon!

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss popular Christian resources! Who are Marissa and Kelsey? In this trailer, they give brief introductions and welcome you to season one's conversation, which will focus on parenting books. Episode One drops 4/3/25, but until then, you can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! Sign-up form for pre-order bonuses coming soon!