Intangible Podcast

Javon Patterson was a 7th round pick out of Ole Miss who started over 40 consecutive games in the SEC, tore his ACL two weeks into his NFL career, and still squeezed out four years in the league before walking away on his own terms. Now he is back at Ole Miss pouring into the next generation through financial literacy, life skills, and the kind of mentorship that nobody talks about on SportsCenter.In this episode we get into the foundation his single mother built, what it really takes to earn trust as the center in the middle of an offensive line, how Devin Funchess three words mind like water helped him survive his darkest moment in the league, what young athletes in the transfer portal era are getting wrong about competition and development, and why his definition of success now is watching a young man set up his first LLC.This one hits different. Real talk from a guy who played the game the right way and then figured out what comes next.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

Marc Trachtenberg is the founder, chairman, president and CEO of Silk Title Co, leading organizations of over 1,000 employees across real estate and financial services. On this episode of Intangible he sits down to talk about the intangibles that actually built his career, and none of it is the version people assume when they see the success from the outside.Marc opens up about going bankrupt in his first business, the exact moment he realized the failure was his own fault, and how he rebuilt his mindset from the ground up. He breaks down what he calls the Degree of Suck, why hiring people smarter than you is the smartest move a leader can make, and why most entrepreneurs underestimate how many mistakes it actually takes to scale a company. He also gets personal about dropping from 345 pounds to 167 pounds while running his business, what pressure really feels like as a founder, and why he shows up for the athlete community trying to figure out life after the game.This conversation connects directly to what every competitor and every athlete in transition needs to hear: your second act does not care about your first act's resume, discipline is not one size fits all, and the hardest work happens when nobody is watching.If you are an athlete, a coach, or anyone trying to build the mental game behind the physical one, this episode is for you.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

Annie Bailey is a former Division I lacrosse player at the University of Colorado, a boarding school graduate from Culver Academies, and now a CEO and Equity Partner at Rise Sports Advisory — a firm built to help elite athletes build generational wealth, not just a paycheck.In this episode, Annie breaks down exactly why 75 percent of NFL players end up broke or divorced within five years of retiring, what the average two-year NFL career actually means for long-term financial planning, and why the identity crisis that hits athletes when the sport ends is just as dangerous as the financial one. She also pulls back the curtain on how Rise works with NIL athletes in college all the way through retirement — using a slow, steady approach to financial education that builds real discipline before the big checks ever arrive.We also get into the mental health side of this, including why Annie believes asking for help is still one of the hardest things for athletes to do, why trust and someone who makes you feel good are two completely different things, and why the most important word she chose to lead by in 2026 is nurture.If you are a young athlete, a parent of an athlete, or anyone trying to understand what financial success actually looks like after sports, this conversation is for you.Rise Sports Advisory: risesportsadvisory.comFollow Annie on Instagram: @anniemorschesbaileyIf this episode hit for you, share it with an athlete or a parent who needs to hear this. Subscribe, leave a review, and we will see you on the next one.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

Six years grinding overseas. Multiple country jumps. Undrafted in 2006. Chris Copeland could have walked away from basketball more times than he can count, but instead he became Belgian league MVP, signed with the New York Knicks in 2012, and earned the nickname The X-Factor over 171 plus NBA games with the Knicks, Pacers, and Bucks.In this episode of Intangible Podcast, Chris sits down with former NFL center and host Chris Spencer to break down the mindset that took him from undrafted free agent to the NBA stage at Madison Square Garden. They get into the psychology degree that taught him people matter more than basketball, the mom who installed a no excuse mentality before he even knew what one was, and the night he proved to himself, not the world, that he belonged.Chris also opens up about where real confidence comes from, what most people get wrong about perseverance, why he is grateful for every setback he calls divine timing, and the wisdom he wants to pass on to the next generation of athletes who think success means never losing.If you are an athlete chasing a dream that feels far away, a parent raising a competitor, or anyone trying to build the mental resilience it takes to compete at a high level, this conversation is for you.Subscribe to Intangible Podcast for more conversations with elite athletes and coaches about the traits that actually got them to the top, the ones nobody sees on the stat sheet.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

What does it actually take to build generational wealth as a professional athlete? In this episode of the Intangible Podcast, Chris Spencer sits down with Michael Ledo, CEO and founder of Rise Family Office, for the unfiltered conversation most athletes never get to have until it is already too late.Michael is the nephew of Eugene Parker, the first major Black sports agent in America. He is a two-time Division II All-American running back whose ankle injury became the turning point that led him to build three athletic training facilities, develop over 100 Division I athletes and 15 NFL players, and eventually create one of the most distinctive wealth management platforms for professional athletes in the country.In this conversation, Michael and Chris break down why a shockingly small percentage of athletes are prepared for life after the game, what it really means to learn the language of money, and the dangerous difference between a financial advisor who preserves your wealth and a family office that grows it. Michael shares real client success stories from Jalen Smith and Jesse Bates and reveals the mindset shifts that separated them from the 78 percent of athletes who go broke within five years of leaving the game, even while 56 percent of those same athletes had financial advisors the entire time.This episode gets personal. Chris opens up about his own struggle with dyslexia and what it felt like to hide behind the helmet for years. Michael explains why most athletes are hiding too, why the helmet has to come off before real wealth can be built, and how vulnerability is the first step toward operating like a true entrepreneur. From the Five Whys method for finding your real motivation to the off-season calendar that Rise Family Office builds for every client, this is a masterclass in the intangibles of financial performance.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

Most athletes say they're coachable. Beno Udrih has a question that will change the way you see yourself.In this episode of the Intangible Podcast, two-time NBA champion, 13-year NBA veteran, and current G League head coach Beno Udrih sits down with host Chris Spencer to unpack the intangibles that took him from a small village in Slovenia all the way to back-to-back championships with the San Antonio Spurs.Beno gets honest about what it actually means to be coachable — not just with the coach who talks your language, but with every coaching style you'll ever face. He opens up about the Spurs' culture, what it was like watching Pop go at Tim Duncan as a rookie, and why fundamentals are the single most underrated intangible in any sport. He also shares the exact player development system that helped make San Antonio a dynasty, what he looks for in players beyond talent when scouting, and the question he asks every player on his G League roster at the start of training camp.From scrolling through a mock draft and not seeing his name, to winning two titles, to now chasing his goal of becoming the first European-born ex-NBA player to be an NBA head coach — Beno's story is about consistency, self-awareness, and what it really takes to stick at the highest level for over a decade.If you've ever questioned whether you belong, struggled to adapt to a coaching style that isn't your preference, or wondered what separates players who last from those who don't — this episode is exactly what you need.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

Shan Foster is the all-time leading scorer in Vanderbilt history. His number is retired. He was named SEC Player of the Year, drafted by the Dallas Mavericks, and played professional basketball across four continents. But the story that made all of that possible starts long before any of that — in New Orleans, in an abusive household, learning how to survive by wearing different masks every single day.In this episode, Shan breaks down the intangibles that built him — not the accolades, but the actual wiring underneath them. He talks about how an abusive stepfather, a friendship with a kid named Neil Jolly, seven workouts a day in high school, and a father who gave him a calendar before anyone was recruiting him, became the foundation for one of the most decorated careers in SEC history.He also gets real about what nobody talks about — the identity crisis that hits when the game is over. Who are you when you're not "the guy" anymore? Shan goes deep on that, and on how a conversation with a mentor challenged him to do work that outlives him — leading him to co-found a charter school, fight violence against women, and become a keynote speaker on stages he never imagined.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

In this episode of the Intangible Podcast, Chris Spencer sits down with Janee’ Kassanavoid, one of the most powerful and inspiring throwers in the world.Janee’ shares the mindset, discipline, and inner strength it takes to compete on the global stage, while also carrying the pride of her Comanche heritage into everything she does. From chasing big goals to handling pressure, overcoming setbacks, and learning how to trust the process, this conversation is packed with lessons for young athletes, parents, and coaches.This episode is a reminder that greatness is not just about talent. It is about identity, resilience, consistency, and the intangible qualities that help athletes rise when the moment gets heavy.Tap in to hear Janee’ Kassanavoid’s story and discover what intangibles drive her.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

Former Oregon Ducks wide receiver and Atlanta Falcons player Drew Davis joins Chris Spencer on the Intangible Podcast for a powerful conversation about football, identity, leadership, and life after the game.Drew’s journey took him from Denver to the University of Oregon, where he was part of one of the most exciting eras in Ducks football, to the NFL with the Atlanta Falcons. But this episode goes deeper than stats, highlights, and football memories. Drew opens up about the mindset it takes to bet on yourself, the reality of being an undrafted free agent, and what young athletes need to understand about preparation, patience, and purpose.Chris and Drew also talk about the transition athletes face when the game no longer defines them, why player development matters, and how the same intangibles that help you succeed on the field can guide you in life, leadership, family, and career.For young athletes, parents, and coaches, this episode is a reminder that talent may open the door, but character, discipline, humility, and self-awareness are what help you stay ready when opportunity comes.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, we sit with Emmanuel Adebi, Vanderbilt tight end and former Cornell standout, to talk about the mindset, faith, and discipline it takes to keep chasing greatness when the road does not look like everyone else’s.Emmanuel’s journey is bigger than football. From competing in the Ivy League at Cornell to earning his opportunity at Vanderbilt in the SEC, his story is about resilience, belief, and finding strength in the things people cannot always measure. He opens up about his path as an athlete, the role faith has played in his life, and the intangible qualities that have helped him keep showing up with purpose.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, former NFL center Chris Spencer sits down with former Ole Miss defensive back and NFL safety CJ Moore for a powerful conversation about grit, resilience, faith, and the mindset it takes to keep going when the path doesn’t go as planned.CJ shares what it was like growing up in a small Mississippi town with no stoplights, working on the farm, competing with his twin brother, and building the work ethic that carried him from Ole Miss to the Detroit Lions and Houston Texans. He opens up about going undrafted, earning his way through special teams, learning to adapt in the NFL, and the mental and spiritual growth that came after football.This conversation is for every young athlete, parent, and coach who wants to understand what really separates athletes beyond talent. CJ’s story reminds us that the game can open doors, but the intangibles — resilience, adaptability, leadership, self-reflection, faith, and a never-quit mindset — are what carry you through life.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

What does it really take to reach the highest level… and stay there?On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, Chris Spencer sits down with WNBA veteran Marissa Coleman and professional fighter Camee Adams for one of the most real conversations we’ve had about mindset, adversity, and identity.These two athletes come from completely different paths. Marissa knew early she was destined for the WNBA and went on to build a 12-year professional career. Camee’s journey didn’t even begin until she was 26 years old, already a mother of two, stepping into a fight gym for the first time . Two different timelines, one common thread—relentless resilience.This episode goes beyond highlights and accolades. It dives into the sacrifices people don’t see, the mental battles athletes face, and the reality of chasing greatness when the path isn’t clear. From missing holidays and navigating life overseas to fighting through personal trauma and rediscovering purpose, this conversation pulls back the curtain on what it really means to grow through adversity.For young athletes, parents, and coaches, this is a powerful reminder that success isn’t just about talent or opportunity. It’s about adaptability, discipline, self-awareness, and the willingness to do the work—especially when no one is watching.If you’re trying to figure out your path, or help someone else find theirs, this episode will challenge the way you think about performance and what truly drives it.Discover your intangibles at intangible.io👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

What does it really take to go from the end of the bench… to the Pro Bowl… to walking away from millions to follow your purpose?On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, former NFL Pro Bowl tight end turned psychologist, Dr. Julius Thomas sits down with Chris Spencer to break down the intangibles that separate average athletes from elite performers.Julius shares his unbelievable journey—from struggling as a freshman athlete, to switching from basketball to football late, to catching touchdowns from Peyton Manning—and ultimately stepping away from the game to pursue a deeper calling in mental performance and psychology.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

What does it really take to rebuild your life after losing everything?On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, we sit down with David Meltzer—former CEO of Leigh Steinberg Sports & Entertainment, entrepreneur, investor, and one of the most impactful voices in business and sports today.David opens up about going from the top of the sports world to losing over $100 million… and the mindset shift that brought him back stronger than ever.This conversation goes deeper than business and sports. It’s about human nature, faith, humility, and the unseen intangibles that separate those who stay down from those who rise again.From lessons learned working alongside legends like Leigh Steinberg to powerful stories about his mother’s influence, this episode is packed with wisdom every athlete, parent, and coach needs to hear.If you’re chasing greatness—or trying to find your way back—this one is for you.Watch now and then take the next step in your own journey at intangible.io👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

What does it really take to go from the projects to becoming a Super Bowl Champion?On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, we sit down with NFL wide receiver and Super Bowl champion Richie James to break down the mindset, discipline, and unseen traits that helped him beat the odds and stay in the league.From growing up in Sarasota with limited structure to becoming a standout at Middle Tennessee State and eventually carving out a role in the NFL with the San Francisco 49ers, New York Giants, and Kansas City Chiefs — Richie’s story is packed with lessons every young athlete needs to hear.We dive into what it means to be a 7th round draft pick fighting for your spot, how embracing roles like special teams can extend your career, and why loving the game matters more than chasing money. Richie also opens up about the reality of transitioning out of football and the identity shift many athletes face.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

What happens when you walk away from the NFL at your peak?In this episode of the Intangible Podcast, we sit down with former Miami Dolphins linebacker Jelani Jenkins—team captain at the University of Florida, NFL starter, and a player who made the rare decision to retire at just 26 years old.But this conversation goes way deeper than football.Jelani opens up about the mindset his father instilled in him from a young age, the power of belief and affirmations, and how those intangibles carried him all the way to the NFL. He shares what it was like going head-to-head with Tom Brady, earning his starting spot, and navigating the pressure, injuries, and business side of the league.Then comes the turning point.We dive into the mental and emotional challenges that led Jelani to step away from the game—and how that decision forced him into a journey of self-discovery, financial awareness, and building a new identity beyond football.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

What does it take to thrive in the most pressure-packed position in football?On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, former Alabama placekicker Gunnar Raborn joins Chris Spencer to break down the mindset required to succeed when the entire game comes down to one kick.Growing up in Louisiana as a multi-sport athlete, Gunnar didn’t even start kicking until his junior year of high school. But that late start turned into a journey that took him to Alabama football, where a moment with Coach Nick Saban would permanently reshape how he viewed pressure and performance.When Saban told him five simple words — “Pressure is a privilege.” — it changed everything.In this conversation, Gunnar shares the lessons he learned competing in the SEC, transferring to McNeese State to chase playing time, and developing a mental approach that helped him achieve a 92% field goal percentage during his career.But the conversation goes deeper than football.We talk about how elite athletes manage pressure, why the best kickers often come from multi-sport backgrounds, and how the discipline learned in sports translates to success after the game — whether that’s coaching young athletes or building a career in business.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, Chris Spencer sits down with Vanderbilt basketball standout Ndjakalenga Mwenentanda to unpack the mindset, resilience, and intangibles behind her journey from Sioux Falls to the SEC.Ndjakalenga’s story is one every athlete should hear. From growing up in a sports-driven family with roots in the Democratic Republic of Congo, to becoming South Dakota Player of the Year, to competing at the highest level of college basketball at Texas and Vanderbilt, her path has been built on discipline, adaptability, and relentless work ethic. She describes herself as a “Swiss Army knife” player—someone willing to do whatever the team needs to win. That mentality helped her navigate the ups and downs of college athletics, including moments when she barely saw the court and had to trust the process. Through faith, family support, and a commitment to the little things, she built a foundation strong enough to carry her through those difficult seasons. For young athletes chasing big dreams, Ndjakalenga shares powerful lessons about patience, staying ready for opportunities, and why focusing on development—not attention—is the key to long-term success. She also opens up about the realities of the transfer portal, NIL decisions, and why finding the right fit matters more than chasing money.This conversation is packed with wisdom on leadership, resilience, and the mindset it takes to succeed both on and off the court.If you’re an athlete, parent, or coach trying to understand what truly separates great competitors, this episode is full of the intangibles that drive peak performance.Subscribe for more conversations with elite athletes uncovering the mindset and habits behind success.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, Chris Spencer sits down with former MLB outfielder Tyson Gillies — a man whose story goes far beyond the stat sheet.Drafted by the Seattle Mariners and later traded to the Philadelphia Phillies, Tyson also represented Team Canada on the world stage. But what makes his journey truly powerful isn’t just professional baseball — it’s perseverance.Tyson grew up losing over 70% of his hearing and had to fight through bullying, misunderstanding, and being labeled early in life. Instead of shrinking, he leaned into sport. From hockey rinks in British Columbia to spring training locker rooms with his childhood hero Ken Griffey Jr., Tyson turned adversity into fuel.In this conversation, we unpack the intangibles that helped him survive and thrive: Work ethic. Emotional regulation. Accountability. Pushing pace. Playing the long game.For young athletes, parents, and coaches — this episode is a masterclass in resilience and mental performance. Tyson shares how running your own race, building the right circle, and trusting the process can carry you from overlooked to unstoppable.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

Josh Cuthbert isn’t just a strength coach. He’s a culture builder. A mindset architect. A guy trusted by elite NFL athletes like George Kittle to build not just muscle — but longevity.Josh breaks down what truly separates the grinders from the gifted. Why the offseason matters more than Sundays. Why “compound interest” applies to your workouts. And why too many athletes are pampered before they’ve earned it.From coaching at Louisiana Tech and Cal, to working under elite strength minds, to now developing NFL pros and high-performing CEOs, Josh shares the raw truth about work ethic, identity shifts, and the intangibles that drive sustained success. This episode is a masterclass on why reps, routine, and relentless consistency still win.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

What does it really take to go from a 7-year-old kid racing boys in Michigan to standing on the Olympic stage with a medal around your neck?On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, we sit down with Olympic bronze medalist Taylor Manson to uncover the mindset, discipline, and faith that carried her from Lansing, Michigan to the world stage.Taylor is an 11-time All-American at the University of Florida, a multiple-time SEC standout, and an Olympic medalist in the mixed 4x400 relay. But what makes her story powerful isn’t just the medals. It’s the mental battles, the anxiety before races, the imposter syndrome after the Olympics, the underdog fuel, and the faith that shaped her journey. Taylor Mason (Tube)In this conversation, Taylor opens up about experiencing race-day anxiety so intense it created “phantom pain,” learning to use journaling and therapy as performance tools, navigating the Olympic experience during COVID with no fans in the stadium, and transitioning from a fully supported college athlete to an unsponsored professional funding her own career.For young athletes, parents, and coaches, this episode is a masterclass in the intangibles. We talk about how pressure changes from youth sports to the SEC to the Olympic stage. We talk about what people don’t see behind the scenes of elite performance. We talk about identity beyond medals and why your faith, your preparation, and your discipline are what sustain you when the spotlight fades.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

As the Winter Olympics capture the world’s attention, few sports demand more courage, composure, and trust than luge—and few athletes embody those intangibles like Emily Fischnaller.In this episode of the Intangible Podcast, we sit down with one of the most accomplished and resilient athletes in winter sports. Emily’s journey spans Junior World Championships, World Cup titles, multiple Olympic Games, and one of the most difficult comebacks in elite sport after a career-threatening Olympic crash.While fans watch athletes chase hundredths of a second on the world’s biggest stage, Emily takes us behind the curtain—inside the mindset required to trust your training, manage fear at extreme speeds, and rebuild belief when everything is on the line. This conversation goes deeper than medals. It’s about composure under pressure, learning from failure, and why trust—not confidence—is the true separator at the Olympic level.For young athletes, parents, and coaches watching the Olympics right now, this episode is a masterclass in what it really takes to perform when the stakes are highest. Talent may open the door, but intangibles are what keep you competing on the world stage.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, we sit down with Jordan Ta'amu for a real conversation about what it takes to survive — and lead — when the path isn’t linear.Jordan’s journey from Ole Miss to the NFL and spring football is a masterclass in betting on yourself. He opens up about staying ready when opportunities aren’t guaranteed, developing confidence without constant validation, and learning how to lead a locker room through uncertainty. This isn’t a highlight-reel conversation. It’s about the unseen work, the mindset shifts, and the discipline that separate quarterbacks who last from those who fade.For young athletes, parents, and coaches, this episode pulls back the curtain on the intangibles that actually matter at the next level. Jordan shares why preparation is non-negotiable, how belief becomes a skill, and why leadership starts long before you take the field. If you’re chasing a dream that doesn’t follow a straight line, this conversation will hit home.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

In this episode of the Intangible Podcast, we sit with Jaelen Strong, former NFL wide receiver, Arizona State standout, and now a state-championship winning high school coach.Growing up in Philadelphia, Jaelen didn’t take the traditional path to the NFL. He bet on himself through junior college, grinded his way to Arizona State, became a 3rd-round NFL Draft pick, and lived the reality of playing at the highest level. But this conversation goes far beyond stats, highlights, or draft position.Jaelen opens up about the mental and emotional side of football that most people never see. He talks about self-doubt, immaturity, instant gratification, injuries, identity loss, and the difficult transition when the game starts to fade away. He shares how faith, self-awareness, and hard lessons reshaped his perspective on success, leadership, and purpose.Now as a coach, Jaelen is focused on developing young men, not just athletes. His message is powerful for young players chasing a dream, parents trying to support their kids, and coaches responsible for shaping lives beyond the field.This is a must-listen episode about growth, belief, mental health, and the true intangibles that drive peak performance.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, former NFL cornerback Daryl Worley sits down with us for one of the most real, honest conversations we’ve had on the show.From growing up in North Philadelphia to becoming a third-round draft pick out of West Virginia Mountaineers, Daryl breaks down the mindset, discipline, and adaptability required to last nearly a decade in the NFL. He opens up about navigating league politics, transitioning roles, reinventing himself through special teams, and what it truly means to be labeled “a pro” in an NFL locker room.Daryl also shares powerful lessons on mental health, fatherhood, leadership without the spotlight, and how faith and consistency carried him through the toughest stretches of his career. If you’re a young athlete, parent, or coach looking to understand the intangibles that separate those who make it from those who don’t—this episode is a must-listen.This conversation goes beyond football. It’s about resilience, purpose, and staying present when the game—and life—gets hard.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

Former MLB pitcher Josh Lindblom joins the Intangible Podcast for one of our most honest and powerful conversations yet. From being a 2nd-round draft pick of the Los Angeles Dodgers, grinding through the minor leagues, bouncing between teams, and eventually reinventing himself overseas as a KBO MVP, Josh takes us inside the real journey of a professional athlete.This episode is all about the intangibles that don’t show up on the stat sheet—identity, resilience, composure, faith, and learning how to compete with freedom instead of fear. Josh opens up about performance-based identity, handling failure, navigating career transitions, and what life really looks like after the game. If you’re a young athlete, parent, or coach trying to understand the mental and emotional side of high performance, this conversation is a must-listen.At Intangible, we believe greatness is built long before the lights come on. Josh’s story is a reminder that who you are matters more than what you produce—and when you get that right, performance follows. Learn more about the intangibles that drive you at intangible.io.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

What happens when elite competition, creativity, faith, and adaptability collide? In this episode we sit down with Nelson Smith to unpack one of the most unique journeys in modern sports.Nelson’s story stretches far beyond the field. He was a multi-sport athlete playing football and baseball in college, suffered a devastating injury that forced him to rethink his identity, navigated isolation and uncertainty during COVID, and unexpectedly found a new lane through content creation. That journey eventually led him into the fast-growing world of Banana Ball, where performance, entertainment, and fan connection all matter.This conversation dives deep into what actually separates athletes who last. Nelson shares what it means to be elite where your feet are, how faith became his foundation during injury and uncertainty, and why adaptability and belief are non-negotiable intangibles. He also gives a behind-the-scenes look at Banana Ball, from the tryout process to locker room culture, and explains why putting fans first has changed how he sees competition.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

In this episode of the Intangible Podcast, We sit with Cotie McMahon, Ole Miss Women’s Basketball standout and former Ohio State Buckeye, for a powerful and honest conversation recorded live in Oxford, Mississippi. Cotie opens up about her transfer journey, why she initially didn’t want to come to Ole Miss, and how Head Coach Yolette McPhee-McCuin (Coach Yo) poured into her not just as an athlete, but as a human being.Cotie shares what fans don’t always see — the mental toll of competition, the pressure of playing in the SEC, navigating social media criticism, and the importance of vulnerability and mental health for athletes. She talks leadership, team chemistry, being a direct communicator, and why women’s sports produce “dogs” because there’s no other option but to go all in.This conversation is a must-watch for young athletes, parents, and coaches who want to understand the intangibles — confidence, resilience, self-trust, effort, and emotional awareness — that separate good players from great ones.If you care about athlete development beyond the stat sheet, this episode is for you.👉 Learn more about the intangibles that drive performance at intangible.io👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

In this episode of the Intangible Podcast, we sit with Rachel Folden, one of the most influential coaches in modern baseball and softball. Rachel is a four-time All-American catcher at Marshall University, a former professional fastpitch standout, the first female coach in Chicago Cubs history, founder of Folden Fastpitch, and now a coach in the New York Mets organization Rachel opens up about her journey from struggling hitter to elite performer, how adversity shaped her mindset, and why learning to reframe failure is a skill every athlete must develop. She shares powerful lessons on leadership, confidence, empathy, and what it really takes to make the jump from Triple-A to the big leagues.This conversation is packed with real-world coaching wisdom for young athletes chasing their dreams, parents supporting the journey, and coaches looking to develop the whole athlete — not just the stat line.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, we sit with Ole Miss softball phenom Mackenzie Pickens — a rising SEC star with the mindset and motor every young athlete should study. Mackenzie breaks down the pressure, the grind, and the intangibles that fuel her confidence on the biggest stage. If you’re chasing greatness or raising an athlete who is, this conversation is pure gold.Mackenzie opens up about her journey to Oxford, what it’s like growing up with a twin sister who also plays college softball, and the pressure that comes with being labeled “the one who can take us to the next level.” She breaks down the habits, confidence builders, and mental toughness she’s had to develop to compete in the nation’s toughest conference.We also talk leadership, faith, dealing with social media noise, staying grounded, and what women athletes deserve more credit for. If you're raising an athlete, coaching one, or are one — this conversation is a blueprint on how dedication, drive, and humility create the intangibles that truly matter.Learn more about discovering your athlete’s intangibles → intangible.io👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

Today on the Intangible Podcast, we sit down with Compete Every Day founder, keynote speaker, and leadership coach Jake Thompson — a man who has trained over 85,000 leaders and built a global brand rooted in one message: your habits will take you where your hype never will.Jake opens up about developing composure in the toughest moments, redefining what competition really means, and why the greatest opponent you’ll ever face is the one in the mirror. He even breaks down his COMPETE Framework, the same mindset model he teaches to athletes, Fortune 500 teams, and high performers around the world.If you're a young athlete trying to navigate pressure, social media, NIL, the transfer portal, or figuring out who you are beyond the game — this episode is a MUST. Parents and coaches, this one gives you the exact language and tools to help your athletes build real intangibles that last long after sports.Jake’s story is raw, relatable, and packed with game-changing insights. From sleeping in his truck while building a brand, to learning how to detach his identity from performance, to finding patience and grit the hard way — his perspective will change how you approach competition and growth forever.Dive in, take notes, and discover what drives you at intangible.io.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

In this episode of the Intangible Podcast, we sit down with Ole Miss volleyball standout Gabi Placide — a fierce competitor with a quiet intensity and a heart for leadership. Gabi opens up about her journey from Colorado to the SEC, why the Grove sold her on Ole Miss, and how ambition carried her from a mid-major to one of the biggest stages in college volleyball.Gabi talks about the intangibles that truly shape her game: hunger, consistency, competitiveness, confidence, staying grounded in a social-media world, and what young girls need to see from female athletes today. She breaks down the misunderstood edge of women’s sports, the pressure of perfectionism, and why leaning on your teammates builds the foundation for greatness.If you're a young athlete, a parent, or a coach looking to understand what separates good from great, Gabi’s story is a powerful blueprint. Tap into your own intangibles at intangible.io.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

Clemson great and former NFL defensive end Austin Bryant joins Chris Spencer for a powerful, raw, and inspiring conversation about the intangibles that shaped his life on and off the field. From growing up in a small South Georgia town to winning two national championships at Clemson and navigating the highs and lows of the NFL, Austin opens up in a way young athletes and parents rarely get to hear.He reflects on the village that raised him, the toughness he learned competing with older cousins, and the moment a position switch from quarterback to defensive end changed his entire future. Austin shares what made Clemson’s culture special, what it was like playing on one of the greatest defensive lines in college football history, and how he pushed through an entire season — including the Cotton Bowl — with a torn pec. His honesty about mental resilience, self-belief, faith, leadership, and the reality of NFL life is something every athlete can learn from.Austin also talks about making the decision to step away from the game, how he’s redefining greatness in this new chapter, and why giving back to the next generation means more to him than ever. This is a conversation about character, humility, sacrifice, and the unseen habits that separate good from great.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

In this episode of The Intangible Podcast, former UCLA and Florida State tight end Jordan Wilson opens up about the qualities that shaped his journey — faith, resilience, leadership, and an obsession with greatness. From growing up in Nashville with a strong faith foundation, to ACL setbacks, to transferring across the country, to fighting his way back from an Achilles tear, Jordan’s story is a masterclass on what separates good athletes from great ones.Young athletes, parents, and coaches — this episode is loaded with lessons you can apply today. Jordan breaks down how to handle adversity, how to stay grounded in identity, how to lead by example, and how to develop a growth mindset that lasts well beyond sports.If you're chasing your potential, this one will hit home.👉 Discover what intangibles drive YOU at: https://www.intangible.io 👉 Subscribe for more athlete-driven conversations every week.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

In this episode of the Intangible Podcast, Chris Spencer sits down with Jake McKenzie, VP of Membership & Community Engagement for PAC (Pro Athlete Community). Jake’s journey from foster care and instability to becoming one of the most trusted leaders helping pro athletes transition into life beyond sports is powerful and deeply human.Jake opens up about his early upbringing, the identity battles that came with leaving football, and how vulnerability became his greatest strength. He explains the heart behind PAC and the “new locker room” they’re building—one designed to give current and former pros a space to grow, connect, and rediscover their purpose.This conversation is full of insight for athletes navigating transition, parents raising resilient kids, and coaches trying to develop true leaders. Jake breaks down why values matter, how to train mental toughness through hard things, and what it looks like to carry your intangibles into the next chapter of life.Discover your own intangibles at Intangible.io and share this episode with an athlete who needs it.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

Super Bowl Champion and 13-year NFL veteran Rodney McLeod joins host Chris Spencer on The Intangible Podcast to talk about the intangibles that fueled his career—from going undrafted to hoisting the Lombardi Trophy with the Philadelphia Eagles.Rodney opens up about his upbringing in D.C., lessons in leadership and composure, the faith and family foundation that grounded him, and his transition into life after football—now as an ESPN SEC analyst and co-founder of the Change Our Future Foundation with his wife, Erika.This conversation dives deep into the mindset behind longevity, the importance of education in the NIL era, and how athletes can build purpose beyond the game. Whether you’re an athlete, parent, or coach, this one’s a masterclass on character, patience, and personal growth.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

Former Alabama wide receiver Mac Hereford joins The Intangible Podcast to unpack what it’s really like to grind your way into Nick Saban’s program — and how that experience shaped his mindset beyond football.From waking up at 4:30 AM to catch passes in front of D1 scouts, to earning his spot on one of the greatest college football teams ever, Mac reveals the discipline, faith, and character that carried him through it all.This episode dives deep into mental toughness, leadership, and the transferable skills athletes can carry into life after sports. Whether you’re an athlete, a parent, or a coach — this one’s packed with lessons on work ethic, confidence, and keeping the main thing the main thing.📲 Follow us on Instagram: @intangiblepodcast👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

What happens when the game ends — but your purpose is just beginning? In this powerful episode of The Intangible Podcast, former Tennessee defensive back Derrick Furlow Jr. joins host Chris Spencer to talk about the real work that begins after the final whistle.Derrick opens up about growing up in southwest Atlanta, finding football as his escape, and how a devastating ACL injury forced him to face a bigger question: Who am I outside the game? Now an author, speaker, and entrepreneur, Derrick has dedicated his life to helping athletes navigate transition, mental health, and leadership with intention and purpose.From walking on at Tennessee to earning two degrees in four years, Derrick’s journey is a masterclass in resilience, mindset, and service over self.If you’re an athlete, coach, or parent wondering what separates the good from the great — this conversation is for you.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

Katy Sullivan is proof that limits are meant to be redefined. Born without the lower halves of her legs, Katy grew up in Alabama in a family that never saw her disability as something to fix — only something to face head-on. That foundation shaped her into one of the most inspiring performers and athletes in the world.In this powerful episode, Katy joins Chris Spencer to talk about the resilience that carried her from the track to the stage — from representing Team USA at the Paralympic Games to starring on Broadway in Cost of Living. She opens up about facing rejection, rebuilding after injury, and how vulnerability became her greatest strength.Katy’s story is a reminder that greatness doesn’t come from talent alone — it comes from belief, curiosity, and a relentless will to grow. Whether you’re an athlete, a parent, or a coach, her journey will make you rethink what’s possible.🎯 Learn more about unlocking your own intangibles at Intangibles.io👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

From walk-on to Pro Bowler — Marc Mariani’s story is pure grit. In this episode of The Intangible Podcast hosted by former NFL center Chris Spencer, Marc opens up about growing up in small-town Montana, walking on at the University of Montana, and earning his way to the NFL as a seventh-round pick of the Tennessee Titans.Marc shares how his underdog mentality, love for the process, and relentless competitive fire took him from being 5’5”, 95 pounds in high school to becoming a Pro Bowl return specialist. He dives into how lessons from his Montana roots shaped his work ethic, how he bounced back from a career-altering injury, and why he still approaches life, business, and fatherhood with that same “win the day” mindset.This episode is for every young athlete, parent, and coach who believes effort, attitude, and resilience matter more than stats.🎧 Listen now on The Intangible Podcast — where we uncover the hidden traits that build greatness.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

Former NFL guard Andy Levitre joins Chris Spencer on The Intangible Podcast for a real, down-to-earth conversation about hard work, discipline, and what it takes to build a career that lasts.From weighing 340 pounds in high school to becoming a second-round NFL draft pick, Andy’s story is all about the grind — transforming his body, outworking the odds, and learning from teammates like Matt Ryan and Ryan Fitzpatrick along the way.He opens up about his journey from Oregon State to the Super Bowl, the challenges of injuries and transitions, and what he’s learned about identity and purpose beyond football.If you’re a young athlete, parent, or coach, this one hits home — because Andy’s success wasn’t about talent alone. It was built on effort, consistency, and the intangibles that last long after the final whistle.🎙️ Listen now to discover what’s behind the mindset that took Andy from small-town California to the NFL trenches.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

In this episode of The Intangible Podcast, Chris Spencer sits down with Kate Pettersen — a two-sport athlete turned broadcaster who’s covered the Edmonton Oilers, Nashville Predators, and now the Vancouver Canucks. From growing up in Toronto with a pro football dad and a mom who modeled resilience, to her breakout moment at the 2010 Vancouver Olympics, Kate’s story is about passion, preparation, and finding her voice in the world of sports media.Kate opens up about the grind behind the broadcast booth, breaking through the “one-word answer” culture in hockey interviews, and what it takes to earn trust from athletes like Connor McDavid and Sidney Crosby. She also shares personal lessons from family loss, her volunteer work in Nashville, and the intangible qualities — passion, drive, foundation, and work ethic — that fuel her career.Whether you’re a young athlete, coach, hockey fan, or aspiring reporter, this conversation gives you a rare behind-the-scenes look at the preparation, pressure, and perseverance that define life at rinkside.🎧 Listen in and take away the mindset shifts that can elevate both performance and life.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

In this episode we're joined by former NFL offensive lineman Jamil Douglas for an honest and inspiring conversation about the grind of football and the lessons it leaves behind.Jamil opens up about growing up in Compton and Cypress, his first love for basketball, and how the influence of his late brother gave him a deeper sense of purpose that carried him onto the football field. He reflects on the challenges of learning the offensive line at Arizona State, the pressure of Draft Day, and the ups and downs of a career that took him through Miami, New England, and Tennessee.Along the way, he shares how self-doubt and constant roster moves tested his love for the game, why Mike Vrabel’s blunt question—“Do you love football?”—changed everything, and how sports psychology helped him rebuild his confidence and approach to the game.Now, life after football looks different, but the lessons remain the same. Through his own podcast For The Underdogs, Jamil continues to share stories of resilience and authenticity, proving that the intangibles he built in the trenches go far beyond the field.If you’re a young athlete, a parent, or a coach looking for insight into what it really takes to succeed and transition at the highest level, this episode offers wisdom you won’t want to miss.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

What does it take to become Vanderbilt’s first true freshman All-American while also running a sustainable fashion brand and studying environmental sociology?In this episode of the Intangible Podcast, we sit down with Allyria McBride—track star, entrepreneur, and advocate for change.Allyria shares how her mom became both her coach and biggest inspiration, the lessons she learned from long, all-day meets as a kid, and the grit it takes to chase records in the SEC. She opens up about performance anxiety, building mental resilience, and how journaling helps her sharpen self-awareness on and off the track.Beyond athletics, Allyria reveals her passion for sustainability, her dream of living above her own boutique, and why protecting the planet is just as important to her as breaking Vanderbilt’s 400m hurdle record.Whether you’re a young athlete, coach, or parent, this episode is packed with lessons on resilience, balance, and building a legacy that lasts beyond sport.🎧 Subscribe to the Intangible Podcast for more stories from athletes and coaches: https://intangiblepodcast.buzzsprout.com/👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

We chop it up with NFL cornerback Amani Oruwariye about the journey that’s taken him from Tampa, Florida, to Penn State, and eventually to Sundays in the league.Amani shares what it was like growing up with a Navy mom who ran a tight ship, how he flipped his recruiting story from Vanderbilt to Penn State, and what it really felt like hearing his name called on draft day. He opens up about learning from vets like Darius Slay, the grind of earning respect as a fifth-round pick, and why short-term memory is the secret weapon for every great corner.It’s a real look at the ups and downs of life in football—the cuts, the comebacks, the faith, and the discipline that keeps him steady. If you’re a young athlete, parent, or coach, this is the kind of conversation that shows you what it really takes to build consistency and thrive at the next level.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

We sat down with former NFL lineman Brandon Frye to unpack the journey behind his career — from growing up in Myrtle Beach with a single mom, to earning a scholarship at Virginia Tech, to making the leap into the NFL with the Houston Texans and Seattle Seahawks.Brandon shares the lessons that carried him through every level of the game: discipline, patience, and an unshakable work ethic. We talk about the turning point in high school that changed his future, what it was like switching positions from defensive end to offensive line, and how film study and preparation became his edge at the professional level.Now thriving in the mortgage world, Brandon opens up about the challenges of life after football, finding a new identity, and how athletes can prepare for transition long before their playing days end.This is a powerful conversation for young athletes, parents, and coaches who want to understand the intangibles it takes to succeed — on the field and far beyond it.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

From the soccer fields of Scotland to the music stages of Nashville, Sean Collin Kennedy’s story is one of resilience, heartbreak, and unexpected discovery. After a rare knee injury cut short his dream of playing professional soccer, Sean found himself battling depression and questioning his identity. What felt like the end turned into the beginning of something greater when he uncovered his true voice as a musician.Now known for blending pop, rock, soul, and R&B, Sean has built a career as an independent artist with songs like Let Life Love You that have resonated with fans around the world. In this heartfelt conversation with Chris Spencer, Sean opens up about his journey through pain and healing, the pull of Nashville, the challenges of staying authentic in the music industry, and why vulnerability and self-awareness are some of life’s greatest strengths.This episode is about more than music—it’s about what happens when life redirects you and how the intangibles of resilience, courage, and authenticity can open doors you never expected.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

Abi Brighton shares how a kid obsessed with touches turned the grind into a pro shot in Serie A Femminile. Host Chris Spencer digs into her Vanderbilt years (captain vibes, big lessons), the Tormenta FC roots that built her techy toolkit, and the DM from a Juventus scout that changed everything. Abi keeps it real on moving to Italy—new culture, new language, same hunger—while fighting for minutes in those black-and-white stripes. Hit play for mindset, habits, and a blueprint for getting noticed.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

From Chicago sandlots to the bright lights of the Major Leagues, former Pittsburgh Pirates slugger Garrett Jones joins us for an unfiltered look at what it really takes to make it in professional baseball.Garrett shares how he went from a multi-sport kid in Chicago to being drafted by the Atlanta Braves, grinding through years in the minors, and finally breaking into the MLB. He opens up about the mental battles of the game, the pressure of staying in the big leagues, and the unforgettable moment he faced Aroldis Chapman’s 100+ MPH fastball.This conversation is equal parts inspiring, funny, and brutally honest — perfect for baseball fans, aspiring athletes, or anyone chasing a big dream.Follow the show for more real stories from athletes who know the grind, the glory, and everything in between.#MLB #GarrettJones #PittsburghPirates #BaseballPodcast #ChrisSpencer👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod

This episode of Intangible Podcast features Vanderbilt vice chancellor and athletics director Candice Lee. She recalls growing up an “Army brat,” being born early and having eye surgery as an infant, discovering basketball later than most and instantly falling in love with Vanderbilt during an elite camp. Lee discusses turning repeated ACL tears and knee surgeries into lessons in perseverance and leadership, and explains how mentors like David Williams and trailblazer Perry Wallace shaped her path. Her journey culminated in becoming Vanderbilt’s—and the SEC’s—first Black woman athletic director. She shares her vision for the “Vanderbilt Way,” combining academic rigor with winning athletics, and offers advice on staying true to yourself and leading with resilience, joy and grace.👉 Follow the Intangible Podcast for more stories of grit, resilience, and peak performance: Instagram: @Intangible_PodcastYouTube: Intangible Pod