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Iron Butterfly

Stories from the most powerful women you've never heard of.Eighty years ago, Eloise Page joined the OSS, trailblazing a path for what ultimately became the United States Intelligence Community. She rose the ranks from secretary to case officer, defying the norms of her time, and eventually became the first female Chief of Station at CIA. Along the way, Eloise earned the code name “Iron Butterfly.”These are the women who have shaped our world, and whose influence continues to ripple through time, space, and generations.

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    Chitra Sivanandam: Maven Gray on Remote Sensing, Failure as Fun, and Living as an Experiment (pt 2)

    On this very special season of Iron Butterfly Podcast, we’re going inside our first documentary feature film, titled The Power We Hold: Stories from Women Spies. This film features 10 of the most powerful women you’ve never heard of, and this season, we’ll get up close and personal with each of them. Each month, we’ll highlight a different woman, with each episode presented in two parts.In this episode, we sit down with Chitra Sivanandam, whose path into the national security community is anything but conventional. With more than 25 years supporting the Intelligence and Defense sector,  Chitra explores her favorite roles across a career spanning industry giants, startups, and small businesses, as well as the lessons she's learned bridging private-sector technology with government missions. We also discuss her passion for art and creative mediums, and how embracing creativity has helped her approach problems from new angles, challenge assumptions, and think beyond traditional solutions. Along the way, Chitra offers a look into life outside of work, including managing a household with an impressive number of animals, and reflects on how curiosity, creativity, and a willingness to forge an unconventional path have shaped both her career and perspective.Follow us on social media to catch us on the road this year as we travel to film festivals across the world. We might be coming to a city near you!Instagram: @ironbutterflypodcastYouTube: @IronButterflyMediaSpotify: Iron Butterfly PodcastTo support The Iron Butterfly Podcast, visit our Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/IronButterflyPodcast To learn more about Iron Butterfly Media, check out our website: https://www.ironbutterflymedia.com/

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    Chitra Sivanandam: Maven Gray on Immigrant Community and Being an Artistic Engineer (pt 1)

    On this very special season of Iron Butterfly Podcast, we’re going inside our first documentary feature film, titled The Power We Hold: Stories from Women Spies. This film features 10 of the most powerful women you’ve never heard of, and this season, we’ll get up close and personal with each of them. Each month, we’ll highlight a different woman, with each episode presented in two parts.In this episode, we sit down with Chitra Sivanandam, whose path into the national security community is anything but conventional. With more than 25 years supporting the Intelligence and Defense sector,  Chitra explores her favorite roles across a career spanning industry giants, startups, and small businesses, as well as the lessons she's learned bridging private-sector technology with government missions. We also discuss her passion for art and creative mediums, and how embracing creativity has helped her approach problems from new angles, challenge assumptions, and think beyond traditional solutions. Along the way, Chitra offers a look into life outside of work, including managing a household with an impressive number of animals, and reflects on how curiosity, creativity, and a willingness to forge an unconventional path have shaped both her career and perspective.Follow us on social media to catch us on the road this year as we travel to film festivals across the world. We might be coming to a city near you!Instagram: @ironbutterflypodcastYouTube: @IronButterflyMediaSpotify: Iron Butterfly PodcastTo support The Iron Butterfly Podcast, visit our Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/IronButterflyPodcast To learn more about Iron Butterfly Media, check out our website: https://www.ironbutterflymedia.com/

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    Laura Thomas: Firefly on Recruiting Spies, Exfiltrating Assets, & Dating as a Case Officer (pt 2)

    On this very special season of Iron Butterfly Podcast, we’re going inside our first documentary feature film, titled The Power We Hold: Stories from Women Spies. This film features 10 of the most powerful women you’ve never heard of, and this season, we’ll get up close and personal with each of them. Each month, we’ll highlight a different woman, with each episode presented in two parts.In this episode, we sit down with Laura Thomas, a former CIA case officer and national security professional who shares her journey from a small two-stoplight town to life in a major city, where her path into intelligence work began. She reflects on how studying abroad and learning a new language led her to become a case officer, and offers a rare look into the realities of working with assets—including the trust, strategy, and personal risks involved. Through gripping stories, she reveals the lengths she’s gone to build relationships and get close to sources, highlighting the adaptability and resilience required to operate in the world of global intelligence.Follow us on social media to catch us on the road this year as we travel to film festivals across the world. We might be coming to a city near you!Instagram: @ironbutterflypodcastYouTube: @IronButterflyMediaSpotify: Iron Butterfly PodcastTo support The Iron Butterfly Podcast, visit our Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/IronButterflyPodcast To learn more about Iron Butterfly Media, check out our website: https://www.ironbutterflymedia.com/

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    Laura Thomas: Firefly on Annie Oakley, Fake IDs, Getting a CIA Pseudonym, & a Fake Cavity Op (pt 1)

    On this very special season of Iron Butterfly Podcast, we’re going inside our first documentary feature film, titled The Power We Hold: Stories from Women Spies. This film features 10 of the most powerful women you’ve never heard of, and this season, we’ll get up close and personal with each of them. Each month, we’ll highlight a different woman, with each episode presented in two parts.In this episode, we sit down with Laura Thomas, a former CIA case officer and national security professional who shares her journey from a small two-stoplight town to life in a major city, where her path into intelligence work began. She reflects on how studying abroad and learning a new language led her to become a case officer, and offers a rare look into the realities of working with assets—including the trust, strategy, and personal risks involved. Through gripping stories, she reveals the lengths she’s gone to build relationships and get close to sources, highlighting the adaptability and resilience required to operate in the world of global intelligence.Follow us on social media to catch us on the road this year as we travel to film festivals across the world. We might be coming to a city near you!Instagram: @ironbutterflypodcastYouTube: @IronButterflyMediaSpotify: Iron Butterfly PodcastTo support The Iron Butterfly Podcast, visit our Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/IronButterflyPodcast To learn more about Iron Butterfly Media, check out our website: https://www.ironbutterflymedia.com/

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    Karen Gibson: Kumquat on her First Star, Beating Breast Cancer, and the Sergeant at Arms pt. 2

    On this very special season of Iron Butterfly Podcast, we’re going inside our first documentary feature film, titled The Power We Hold: Stories from Women Spies. This film features 10 of the most powerful women you’ve never heard of, and this season, we’ll get up close and personal with each of them. Each month, we’ll highlight a different woman, with each episode presented in two parts.In this episode, we sit down with Karen Gibson, a retired United States Army Lieutenant General whose distinguished 33-year career spanned some of the most complex and high-stakes intelligence environments in the world. She held a wide range of joint and operational intelligence roles, ultimately rising to serve as Director of Intelligence (J2) at U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM). Her leadership extended beyond intelligence by later serving in the unique and highly visible role of Sergeant at Arms of the United States Senate.She shares an inside look at the defining moments of her career, offering insight into the challenges of military leadership, intelligence operations, and navigating global conflict zones. At the heart of her story is a deeply personal journey—one that began in rural Montana, where she first imagined a life filled with purpose and adventure. From those early aspirations to the highest levels of military leadership, she reflects on the determination, resilience, and curiosity that shaped her path.Follow us on social media to catch us on the road this year as we travel to film festivals across the world. We might be coming to a city near you!Instagram: @ironbutterflypodcastYouTube: @IronButterflyMediaSpotify: Iron Butterfly PodcastTo support The Iron Butterfly Podcast, visit our Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/IronButterflyPodcast To learn more about Iron Butterfly Media, check out our website: https://www.ironbutterflymedia.com/

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    Karen Gibson: Kumquat on a Rugged Upbringing, War Stories, and Tolkien’s Chick with the Sword pt. 1

    On this very special season of Iron Butterfly Podcast, we’re going inside our first documentary feature film, titled The Power We Hold: Stories from Women Spies. This film features 10 of the most powerful women you’ve never heard of, and this season, we’ll get up close and personal with each of them. Each month, we’ll highlight a different woman, with each episode presented in two parts.In this episode, we sit down with Karen Gibson, a retired United States Army Lieutenant General whose distinguished 33-year career spanned some of the most complex and high-stakes intelligence environments in the world. She held a wide range of joint and operational intelligence roles, ultimately rising to serve as Director of Intelligence (J2) at U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM). Her leadership extended beyond intelligence by later serving in the unique and highly visible role of Sergeant at Arms of the United States Senate.She shares an inside look at the defining moments of her career, offering insight into the challenges of military leadership, intelligence operations, and navigating global conflict zones. At the heart of her story is a deeply personal journey—one that began in rural Montana, where she first imagined a life filled with purpose and adventure. From those early aspirations to the highest levels of military leadership, she reflects on the determination, resilience, and curiosity that shaped her path.Follow us on social media to catch us on the road this year as we travel to film festivals across the world. We might be coming to a city near you!Instagram: @ironbutterflypodcastYouTube: @IronButterflyMediaSpotify: Iron Butterfly PodcastTo support The Iron Butterfly Podcast, visit our Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/IronButterflyPodcast To learn more about Iron Butterfly Media, check out our website: https://www.ironbutterflymedia.com/

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    Tish Long: Mimi on Creating an Intel Agency, as the First Female Director & Being a Step-Mom, pt 2

    On this very special season of Iron Butterfly Podcast, we’re going inside our first documentary feature film, titled The Power We Hold: Stories from Women Spies. This film features 10 of the most powerful women you’ve never heard of, and this season, we’ll get up close and personal with each of them. Each month, we’ll highlight a different woman, with each episode presented in two parts.On this episode we’re joined by the incredible Tish Long, whose career reshaped what leadership looks like across the U.S. intelligence community. Tish served as the fifth Director of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), becoming the first woman ever to lead a major U.S. intelligence agency. In this wide-ranging conversation, she reflects on a career that spanned global operations, organizational leadership, the evolving role of intelligence and contributing to the re-shaping of the institutions that collect and distribute intelligence . The episode offers a thoughtful look at the challenges and opportunities of breaking barriers, building institutions, and leading with vision in one of the most demanding fields of public service.Follow us on social media to catch us on the road this year as we travel to film festivals across the world. We might be coming to a city near you!Instagram: @ironbutterflypodcastYouTube: @IronButterflyMediaSpotify: Iron Butterfly PodcastTo support The Iron Butterfly Podcast, visit our Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/IronButterflyPodcast To learn more about Iron Butterfly Media, check out our website: https://www.ironbutterflymedia.com/

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    Tish Long: Mimi on Becoming an Engineer, Being the Only Woman, & Conquering Public Speaking (pt 1)

    On this very special season of Iron Butterfly Podcast, we’re going inside our first documentary feature film, titled The Power We Hold: Stories from Women Spies. This film features 10 of the most powerful women you’ve never heard of, and this season, we’ll get up close and personal with each of them. Each month, we’ll highlight a different woman, with each episode presented in two parts.On this episode we’re joined by the incredible Tish Long, whose career reshaped what leadership looks like across the U.S. intelligence community. Tish served as the fifth Director of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), becoming the first woman ever to lead a major U.S. intelligence agency. In this wide-ranging conversation, she reflects on a career that spanned global operations, organizational leadership, the evolving role of intelligence and contributing to the re-shaping of the institutions that collect and distribute intelligence . The episode offers a thoughtful look at the challenges and opportunities of breaking barriers, building institutions, and leading with vision in one of the most demanding fields of public service.Follow us on social media to catch us on the road this year as we travel to film festivals across the world. We might be coming to a city near you!Instagram: @ironbutterflypodcastYouTube: @IronButterflyMediaSpotify: Iron Butterfly PodcastTo support The Iron Butterfly Podcast, visit our Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/IronButterflyPodcast To learn more about Iron Butterfly Media, check out our website: https://www.ironbutterflymedia.com/

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    Sue Gordon: Humble Servant on Sally Ride, Cancer Treatment, and Grief as a Doorway (pt 2)

    On this very special season of Iron Butterfly Podcast, we’re going inside our first documentary feature film, titled The Power We Hold: Stories from Women Spies. This film features 10 of the most powerful women you’ve never heard of, and this season, we’ll get up close and personal with each of them. Each month, we’ll highlight a different woman, with each episode presented in two parts.This thoughtful and deeply human episode features an intimate, wide-ranging conversation with Sue Gordon. Drawing from her more than three decades of service at the CIA and NGA, Sue shares profound insights and personal anecdotes, including a life-changing "meet-cute" moment and her passion for Duke basketball. We explore her collaboration with Sally Ride, her journey through cancer treatment, and how experiencing grief unexpectedly opened a doorway to deeper purpose and leadership. The episode beautifully illustrates how both joyful and painful life experiences shape the leaders we become.Follow us on social media to catch us on the road this year as we travel to film festivals across the world. We might be coming to a city near you!Instagram: @ironbutterflypodcastYouTube: @IronButterflyMediaSpotify: Iron Butterfly PodcastTo support The Iron Butterfly Podcast, visit our Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/IronButterflyPodcast To learn more about Iron Butterfly Media, check out our website: https://www.ironbutterflymedia.com/

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    Sue Gordon: Humble Servant on Duke Basketball, a Meet Cute, and Early Career at CIA (pt 1)

    On this very special season of Iron Butterfly Podcast, we’re going inside our first documentary feature film, titled The Power We Hold: Stories from Women Spies. This film features 10 of the most powerful women you’ve never heard of, and this season, we’ll get up close and personal with each of them. Each month, we’ll highlight a different woman, with each episode presented in two parts.This thoughtful and deeply human episode features an intimate, wide-ranging conversation with Sue Gordon. Drawing from her more than three decades of service at the CIA and NGA, Sue shares profound insights and personal anecdotes, including a life-changing "meet-cute" moment and her passion for Duke basketball. We explore her collaboration with Sally Ride, her journey through cancer treatment, and how experiencing grief unexpectedly opened a doorway to deeper purpose and leadership. The episode beautifully illustrates how both joyful and painful life experiences shape the leaders we become.Follow us on social media to catch us on the road this year as we travel to film festivals across the world. We might be coming to a city near you!Instagram: @ironbutterflypodcastYouTube: @IronButterflyMediaSpotify: Iron Butterfly PodcastTo support The Iron Butterfly Podcast, visit our Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/IronButterflyPodcast To learn more about Iron Butterfly Media, check out our website: https://www.ironbutterflymedia.com/

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    Carmen Medina: Kind Rebel at Work on MI6, the Dawn of the Internet, and Male-Ordered Systems, Part 2

    On this very special season of Iron Butterfly Podcast, we’re going inside our first documentary feature film, titled The Power We Hold: Stories from Women Spies. This film features 10 of the most powerful women you’ve never heard of, and this season, we’ll get up close and personal with each of them. Each month, we’ll highlight a different woman, with each episode presented in two parts.For part two, we continue our episode with Carmen Medina—a retired Senior Federal Executive with 32 years in the intelligence community and former CIA Deputy Director of Intelligence. Carmen shares powerful stories from her groundbreaking career, reflects on leadership and innovation inside the intelligence world, and offers an inside look at the experiences that shaped her journey. This two-part conversation sets the stage for the season, exploring the power, resilience, and quiet influence of women who helped shape history from behind the scenes. Follow us on social media to catch us on the road this year as we travel to film festivals across the world. We might be coming to a city near you!Instagram: @ironbutterflypodcastYouTube: @IronButterflyMediaSpotify: Iron Butterfly PodcastTo support The Iron Butterfly Podcast, visit our Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/IronButterflyPodcast To learn more about Iron Butterfly Media, check out our website: https://www.ironbutterflymedia.com/

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    Carmen Medina: Kind Rebel at Work on Curiosity, Her Puerto Rican Roots, and Being a Bad Bureaucrat

    On this very special season of Iron Butterfly Podcast, we’re going inside our first documentary feature film, titled The Power We Hold: Stories from Women Spies. This film features 10 of the most powerful women you’ve never heard of, and this season, we’ll get up close and personal with each of them. Each month, we’ll highlight a different woman, with each episode presented in two parts.For episode one, part one, we’re joined by Carmen Medina—a retired Senior Federal Executive with 32 years in the intelligence community and former CIA Deputy Director of Intelligence. Carmen shares powerful stories from her groundbreaking career, reflects on leadership and innovation inside the intelligence world, and offers an inside look at the experiences that shaped her journey. This two-part conversation sets the stage for the season, exploring the power, resilience, and quiet influence of women who helped shape history from behind the scenes. Follow us on social media to catch us on the road this year as we travel to film festivals across the world. We might be coming to a city near you!Instagram: @ironbutterflypodcastYouTube: @IronButterflyMediaSpotify: Iron Butterfly PodcastTo support The Iron Butterfly Podcast, visit our Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/IronButterflyPodcast To learn more about Iron Butterfly Media, check out our website: https://www.ironbutterflymedia.com/

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    Inside The Power We Hold: Stories from Women Spies, Iron Butterfly's First Feature Documentary, Part 2

    Welcome back for Part 2 of our Season 9 premiere of the Iron Butterfly Podcast that goes inside our first feature documentary film, The Power We Hold: Stories from Women Spies.For five years, this podcast has been our way of amplifying stories from the most powerful women the world has never heard of. More than 100 episodes later, this community has grown into something much larger than we ever imagined.You’ve seen our documentary trailer. You’ve heard our calls for support. And now, as we prepare to release our film to the world in 2026, we want to bring you inside our creative process and closer to the women at the center of this film. This project has always been shaped by the people who believe in it. It feels right to offer this season as a companion to the film, and to invite you along as we take this next step.This season is our way of bringing you along for the ride.In these two part episodes, we’re inviting you into deeper conversations with each woman from the film, covering her life, family, career, and the unseen moments that shaped who she is today. These are the parts of the story that don’t all fit into a 70-minute film, but deserve a home.Thank you for walking with us. We’re proud to share this new chapter with you! Follow us on social media to catch us on the road this year as we travel to film festivals across the world. We might be coming to a city near you!Instagram: @ironbutterflypodcastYouTube: @IronButterflyMediaSpotify: Iron Butterfly PodcastApple: Iron Butterfly PodcastTo support The Iron Butterfly Podcast, visit our Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/IronButterflyPodcast To learn more about Iron Butterfly Media, check out our website: https://www.ironbutterflymedia.com/

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    Inside The Power We Hold: Stories from Women Spies, Iron Butterfly's First Feature Documentary, Part 1

    Today, we’re launching a special Iron Butterfly Podcast season that goes inside our first feature documentary film, The Power We Hold: Stories from Women Spies.This season is our way of bringing you along for the ride.In these two part episodes, we’re inviting you into deeper conversations with each woman from the film, covering her life, family, career, and the unseen moments that shaped who she is today. These are the parts of the story that don’t all fit into a 70-minute film, but deserve a home.Thank you for walking with us. We’re proud to share this new chapter with you! Follow us on social media to catch us on the road this year as we travel to film festivals across the world. We might be coming to a city near you!Instagram: @ironbutterflypodcastYouTube: @IronButterflyMediaSpotify: Iron Butterfly PodcastApple: Iron Butterfly PodcastTo support The Iron Butterfly Podcast, visit our Patreon:  https://www.patreon.com/IronButterflyPodcast To learn more about Iron Butterfly Media, check out our website: https://www.ironbutterflymedia.com/

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    Andrea Wallis Aven: A Historical Special Episode on her aunt, an OSS veteran, Jane Wallis Burrell

    In this special historical episode of the Iron Butterfly Podcast, we’re joined by researcher and storyteller Andrea Wallis Aven, whose lifelong passion for genealogy and history has illuminated generations of her family’s extraordinary service. Through meticulous research, Andrea has traced the lives of her Wallis and Stewart ancestors, uncovering a remarkable lineage of veterans who served their country across centuries.Among these stories is that of her aunt, Jane Wallis Burrell—a trailblazing intelligence officer who served in the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) during World War II, later joining the Strategic Services Unit (SSU) and the Central Intelligence Group (CIG), all predecessors to the CIA. Jane’s groundbreaking career was tragically cut short on January 6, 1948, when she died in a plane crash—just months after the CIA’s official formation.Join us as Andrea shares incredible pictures and artifacts from Jane’s time in service, the discoveries, the human stories behind the records, and how uncovering her family’s past deepened her understanding of history, service, and legacy.You can also learn more about Jane through the following article: https://www.cia.gov/stories/story/the-mystery-of-jane-wallis-burrell-the-first-cia-officer-to-die-in-the-agencys-service/

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    CC Durall: Wave Rider on Language, Translation, Human Capital, and the power of Self-Reinvention

    In the powerful Season 8 finale, we sit down with Celia "CC" Durall—CEO of CD Possibilities, leadership coach, and a former force within the Department of Defense and Intelligence Community. With a career rooted in human capital and workforce strategy, CC brings a wealth of experience and insight to this closing chapter.She shares her story of growing up as a third culture kid, the daughter of diplomats, navigating multiple languages and cultures from a young age. This upbringing shaped her ability to become a natural translator—not just of language, but of people and systems.We dive into her journey through the world of workforce development, her collaborations with academia, and the critical shifts in strategic workforce planning following 9/11. Through it all, CC speaks candidly about the art of self-reinvention, and how embracing uncertainty led her to a series of fulfilling and impactful roles.Don’t miss this inspiring close to Season 8—packed with lessons on leadership, identity, and following the wave where it takes you.

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    Lucy Ferguson: Steel Bubbles on British Intelligence, Diplomacy, and James Bond

    In this special FVEY episode, we’re joined by Lucy Ferguson, Minister Counsellor for Foreign, Security and Development Policy at the British Embassy in Washington, DC. With a career spanning pivotal global roles—including working directly with the British Foreign Secretary and representing the UK at the G20 (yes, she was the UK’s “yak”)—Lucy brings a unique and candid perspective on diplomacy behind the scenes.Lucy opens up about her educational journey, including her unexpected path to studying theology, and how that potentially shaped her worldview. She shares what it’s like to be in the room during high-stakes negotiations, listening as history unfolds in real time. With her joyful spirit, collaborative mindset, and a great sense of humor, Lucy offers both wisdom and warmth in this conversation that ranges from policy to parenting, and everything in between.

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    Yolanda Reid: Mercedes on the NSA, Cybersecurity, and Strength through Adversity

    Today’s episode features the remarkable Yolanda, an Associate Partner in Cybersecurity whose career spans everything from scaling antenna towers to exploring the quantum computing horizon. Yolanda takes us through her one-of-a-kind journey—beginning as a high school intern at the NSA, rising through the ranks to become a full-time intelligence professional, and now leading organizations through the complexities of emerging tech threats.We delve into her early days collecting RF signals (yes, complete with rappelling from dizzying heights), her transition from offensive to defensive cybersecurity work, and her current focus on preparing the digital world for the impact of quantum computing. Along the way, Yolanda opens up about her battle with cancer, the strength she drew from her community, and how that experience reshaped her approach to life and leadership.This episode is a masterclass in resilience, intelligence, and humanity. Don’t miss Yolanda’s powerful story—you’ll walk away inspired, informed, and maybe a little braver.

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    Rupal Patel: Arsenal on Intelligence Analysis, Curiosity, Courage, and Self-Leadership

    In this episode, we sit down with Rupal Patel, Founder and CEO of The Global Leadership Lab, who’s on a mission to redefine what leadership means in today’s complex, fast-changing world. Her journey to the C-suite is anything but conventional—and that’s exactly what makes it powerful.From starting her career as a young hustler in PR at an indie hip-hop label to unexpectedly serving as a CIA analyst, Rupal has moved through vastly different spaces with the same signature blend of curiosity, courage, and creativity. She’s the kind of leader who can unpack global geopolitics in one breath and dive into her favorite book in the next—all over a strong cup of coffee.Relatable, nerdy, thoughtful, and fiercely creative, Rupal shares how embracing the unexpected shaped her leadership philosophy, why real conversations with the right people matter and what inspired her to write not one but multiple books.This isn’t just a story about success—it’s about resilience, reinvention, and leading with both intensity and heart.

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    Michelle Mosey: Cowgirl on Risk-Taking, Difference-Making, and FVEY Intelligence-Sharing

    In this very exciting episode—our first-ever Five Eyes (FVEY) feature—we're thrilled to welcome a true changemaker in the world of cybersecurity. Our guest is none other than Michelle Mosey, Founder of Valkyrie Cyber, whose impressive career spans military service, high-level intelligence liaison roles, and impactful leadership in the tech sector. She details her time in the Australian Navy and how she transitioned into the intelligence sector and ultimately worked alongside former USDI James Clapper. Additionally she details how she later helped veterans transition into cyber roles at With You With Me. Michelle brings a wealth of experience and insight to the conversation.But there's more to her than just her resume. Michelle is an adventurer at heart—whether she's camping under the stars, exploring new corners of the world, or creating magic in the kitchen. A true risk-taker with a powerful story, she shares her journey, lessons learned, and her bold vision for the future of cybersecurity.Don’t miss this one—we're just getting started with FVEY, and this episode sets the bar high.

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    Suzanne Spaulding: Kingfisher on WMD, Family Life, and the Hokey Pokey with the KBG

    Season 8, Episode 3 | In this episode, we’re joined by the remarkable Suzanne Spaulding, a Senior Advisor at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), where she founded the Defending Democratic Institutions Project. With a career that spans critical roles across the intelligence and national security landscape—including Legal Advisor at the CIA’s Nonproliferation Center, Chief Counsel to both the Senate and House Intelligence Committees, Executive Director of major Congressional Commissions, and member of the Cyberspace Solarium Commission—Suzanne brings a wealth of insight, wit, and candid reflection.She shares stories from a life spent at the intersection of law, policy, and global security, including unforgettable moments like meeting Gaddafi, leading bipartisan efforts in Congress, and, yes, doing the hokey pokey and singing kumbaya with the KGB. Importantly, we talk about the next generation—how efforts like Girl Security are helping to inspire and prepare young women to lead in national security and public service. It’s a conversation that’s as thought-provoking as it is delightfully unexpected.Tune in for an episode filled with wisdom, stories, and a few good laughs.

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    Elizabeth Grimm (Pt 2): Reaper Ever After on Activism, Kindness, and Hope in 2025

    We’re back with part two of our conversation with Elizabeth Grimm, and trust us—you’re going to want to lean in for this one. After an already epic career in national security, Liz somehow “accidentally” became a professor (are we sensing a theme here?). She shares how teaching became her calling, even as she tried to resist it, and how she sees it as helping students navigate what to believe in an increasingly chaotic world.We also zoom out to tackle the big stuff: how to hold onto hope in 2025, why kindness can be an act of resistance, and what it looks like to stay civically active while honoring the apolitical demands of a national security career.If part one was the origin story, this is the heart of Liz's story. Thoughtful, funny, and quietly powerful—you'll just want to lean in.

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    Elizabeth Grimm (Pt 1): Reaper Ever After on Teaching, Torture, and Selzter Water

    Hold onto your hats because episode two is one wild ride! We’re joined by Elizabeth Grimm, a powerhouse in both national security and academia. Currently a Professor of Teaching in the Security Studies Program at Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service, Elizabeth’s career path can best be described as “unexpectedly epic.”In part one of this episode, we dive into how Elizabeth accidentally became a lawyer in France (yes, you read that right), and how her first job out of college had her rubbing shoulders with top brass at the Department of Defense. From there, we talk about her trailblazing role at the brand-new National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC), all while juggling the demands of her PhD. But that’s not all—we also tackle the big questions, like how to compartmentalize traumatic research topics. And we include a seriously important debate about the best types of bubbly water—because hey, national security and sparkling water are intertwined, right?Tune in for a conversation that’s equal parts deep, inspiring, entertaining, and refreshingly bubbly!

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    Katrina Mulligan (Pt 2) on Benghazi, GTMO, Snowden, & Surviving a Cancer Diagnosis

    Iron Butterfly Podcast is back for part two of our season premiere with Katrina Mulligan!  Part two is just as fun as the first with Katrina diving back into her extraordinary career. Currently the National Security Lead at Open AI, Katrina shares her experiences as Barack Obama's paralegal before he even ran for the Senate, working on GTMO policy at the ODNI, and being Chief of Staff to the first female Secretary of the Army. Along the way, she shares some unforgettable moments and reflections. She even talks about attending Taylor Swift's The Eras Tour and making friendship bracelets with her boss!

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    Katrina Mulligan: Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me on Seizing Opportunity and Barack Obama’s Campaign

    The Iron Butterfly Podcast is back for Season 8 and we kick things off with an episode so packed with insights, we had to split it into two! Megan and Cadie sit down with Katrina Mulligan, currently the National Security Lead at Open AI. Katrina has had an extraordinary career, including serving as Barack Obama's paralegal before he even ran for the Senate, working on GTMO policy at the ODNI, and being Chief of Staff to the first female Secretary of the Army. Along the way, she shares some unforgettable moments and reflections. She even talks about attending Taylor Swift's Eras Tour and making friendship bracelets with her boss! In this first part, she opens up about the importance of seizing unexpected opportunities and how to know when to pivot, have a plan, and execute it with precision. Don’t miss out on this fascinating conversation, and be sure to tune in in two weeks for Part Two!To support The Iron Butterfly Podcast, visit out Patreon:  / ironbutterflypodcast  To learn more about Iron Butterfly Media, check out our website: https://www.ironbutterflymedia.com/

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    Shari Garcia Rozen: Steel Blossom

    On our season 7 finale, we sit down with Shari Garcia Rozen, Chief Data and Artificial Intelligence Officer (CDAO) at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), who takes us through a fascinating career journey, from her first job as a Sales Associate at the GAP to her current pivotal role in shaping data and AI strategy for the U.S. government.Shari shares her unique career path, which includes stints as a Private Sector Consultant at Booz Allen Hamilton working in the financial sector, and how these experiences fueled her curiosity, analytical mindset, and energy to tackle some of the nation's most complex intelligence challenges. We also dive into what it means to work in the intersection of data and artificial intelligence, and the critical role these technologies play in national security.Outside of work, Shari talks about her favorite hobbies such as hiking, traveling, crafting, and yes, sleep (it’s important!). And in a fun twist, she recounts a time she had the thrilling opportunity to drive a Ferrari at the iconic Ferrari factory in Maranello, Italy.Tune in for an inspiring conversation about curiosity, career evolution, and nerding out. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Special Episode: Iron Butterfly Documentary

    Iron Butterfly is currently producing the first documentary feature film about women in the intelligence community. On this special episode of Iron Butterfly Podcast, Megan and Cadie share their documentary production journey, where they are today, and how you can support.Iron Butterfly Foundation is self-funding this feature film to ensure the truth of these stories are told, and we need your help. To support the completion of this film, give a tax deductible end of year gift to Iron Butterfly Foundation and help us reach our $50,000 fundraising goal: https://donorbox.org/iron-butterfly-foundation-2024-eoy-fundraising-campaign Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Marisa Lightfoot: Formidable Bear

    In this episode, we sit down with Marisa Lightfoot, a Senior Director at EY-Parthenon’s Strategy Practice, where she leads strategy initiatives focused on emerging technologies. With a diverse and dynamic career that spans the U.S. Army, the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), and even launching and selling her own tea company, Marisa shares her unique journey of growth, resilience, and innovation. From "growing a spine" in the Army to "growing up" in the world of program management, she offers insights into how each chapter shaped her approach to leadership and strategy. We also dive into her entrepreneurial spirit, with a conversation about her time building a hyperspectral imagery sensor for the Army, and her knack for brewing up both ideas and herbal remedies in her downtime. Whether it's wake surfing, reading, or empowering those around her, Marisa brings an energy that's both scrappy and nurturing. Tune in for an inspiring conversation about taking risks, embracing change, and finding fulfillment across diverse professional and personal pursuits. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Diana Burley: Steel Fist inside a Velvet Glove

    In this episode, we sit down with Diana Burley, the Vice Provost for Research and Innovation at American University, to explore their journey in academia and research. From her time as a professor at Syracuse University to leading programs at the National Science Foundation and engaging with the Intelligence Community, Diana shares her experiences in fostering academic growth and innovation.We discuss the challenges and rewards of her current role, balancing leadership with creativity, and the importance of resilience in both personal and professional life. Known for her thoughtfulness, humor, and generous spirit, Diana also opens up about her love for audiobooks, decorating, and spending quality time with her dog.Tune in for an inspiring conversation about navigating the world of research, leading with purpose, and the value of creating meaningful connections.To support The Iron Butterfly Podcast, visit out Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/IronButterflyPodcastTo learn more about Iron Butterfly Media, check out our website: https://www.ironbutterflymedia.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Special Episode with Girl Security on Election Security

    On this episode, Megan and Iron Butterfly's producer Amanda sit down with Girl Security Founder Lauren Buitta and member Kyla Guru to discuss election security and how young women and professionals are tackling this problem set. Lauren Buitta is a seasoned National Security professional and Iron Buttefly alum, who started Girl Security in 2016, the only organization dedicated to advancing girls, women, and gender minorities in national security through supportive pathways. Kyla Guru is a technologist and social entrepreneur who has worked across the public and private sector, amplifying her mission to build a safer and healthier internet for all. She is CEO/Founder of Bits N’ Bytes Cybersecurity Education Corp., and currently pursuing her MS in Computer Science at Stanford University. To learn more about Girl Security - https://www.girlsecurity.org/To learn more about Kyla's non-profit Bits N Bites Cybersecurity Education Corp., - https://www.bitsnbytes.us.com/To support The Iron Butterfly Podcast, visit out Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/IronButterflyPodcastTo learn more about Iron Butterfly Media, check out our website: https://www.ironbutterflymedia.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    The Future is Female: Live at George Mason University

    In this special live episode of the Iron Butterfly Podcast, hosted in partnership with the National Security Institute (NSI) at George Mason University, we delve into the pivotal role of women in the tech and intelligence sectors. This dynamic discussion, titled “The Future is Female,” features two esteemed guests: Rachel H. Grunspan, Deputy Chief for Strategy & Policy for the CIA, and Chandra Osann, Deputy Executive at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI). Together, they explore the challenges and opportunities within the intelligence community and offer a powerful glimpse into how women are shaping the future of national security. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Jennifer Ewbank: Renaissance Quest

    On this episode Megan and Cadie sit down with Jennifer Ewbank, a senior national security executive who served as Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency for Digital Innovation from 2019-early 2024. Jennifer started her career as a Case Officer and went on to serve four tours as Chief of Station and the Chief of the former National Resources Division. Tune in to hear what it's really like to be a Case Officer.To support The Iron Butterfly Podcast, visit out Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/IronButterflyPodcastTo learn more about Iron Butterfly Media, check out our website: https://www.ironbutterflymedia.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Beyond the Beltway: Live at University of Colorado Colorado Springs

    Megan and Cadie travel for the first time outside the DC area to bring Iron Butterfly Podcast to Colorado Springs, hosted by University of Colorado Colorado Springs. In this ‘Beyond the Beltway” episode, Sandra Auchter (Director of National Geospatial Intelligence Agency - Denver), Jenna Seidel (Director of National Security Agency/Central Security Service - Colorado), and Rachel Leahy (Director of Special Programs at General Atomics) share their stories, experiences, and reflections on a career in intelligence. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Season 7 Teaser

    Iron Butterfly Podcast is back for Season 7, and better than ever! :butterfly: On this Season 7 teaser, Megan and Cadie give a sneak peak at what’s to come this fall, along with other exciting Iron Butterfly updates and the launch of Patreon. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Eman Blair: Faith

    This week, Intelligence and National Security Alliance invites Cadie Hopkins to record a live Iron Butterfly Podcast episode at 'The New IC' Conference with Eman Blair. Eman describes her journey from being a ‘triple minority’ in the Middle East — a refugee, a Palestinian, and a woman — to being the Chief Digital Officer at Central Intelligence Agency. Eman's story is special, and a true testament to the resilience, service, and hope held within the journeys of intelligence community women. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Sandra Auchter: Badassy

    On our Season 6 finale, we are joined by the incredible Sandra Auchter, Director of NGA Denver. A self described foreign policy wonk, she's known to listen to alternate between NPR and Wall Street Journal podcasts and Beyonce's latest music. From discussing the foundational INT to what Sandra's 'walk-out' song would be, tune in for a truly fun episode! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Caitlin Marsh: Evergreen

    On this episode we are joined by Caitlin Marsh, an engineer by training but a true social engineer at heart. She is currently VP of Product at SpiderOak and has served in multiple roles across the IC. Empathetic, kind and a little bit spicy, Caitlin is an incredible mentor who isn't afraid to jump at new opportunities or try something new. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Maureen "Marty" Fromuth: Danvers

    On this episode we are joined by the amazing Maureen "Marty" Fromuth. Marty currently serves in the Air Force Reserves as the Chief of Staff for Legislative Affairs at United States Cyber Command. Her career spans nearly 17 years in and out of government and the tech industry. Tune in to hear Marty dive into topics like Housewives, the importance of vulnerability and learning from failure. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Special Panel Episode | See Her Be Her

    In this special panel episode titled See Her Be Her, hosted by Marymount University and the Marymount Intelligence Club, Megan and Cadie sit down with butterflies Carmen Medina (Rebel at Work), Arlene Gaylord (Corazón), and Stephanie La Rue (Mija). They dive into the concept if you can see her, you can be her and how they were each other’s “her.” A truly special episode full of great moments exploring the importance of diversity in the workplace, the power of authenticity, and what they would tell their younger selves.Episode Correction - Stephanie La Rue's Bio should read : Stephanie La Rue is the chief of Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Accessibility for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, where she leads the implementation of the national DEIA strategy for the Intelligence Community. La Rue previously served as CIA's chief diversity strategist and as an attorney for CIA's Office of General Counsel. In 2016, La Rue founded the Latino Intelligence Network, a collective of Latinx Employee Resource Groups across the IC. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Debora Plunkett: Steel Scale

    On this episode we are joined by the amazing Debora Plunkett, former Director of Information Assurance at the National Security Agency (NSA). Tune in to hear Debora discuss her illustrious career within the NSA, her time serving on the National Security Council, and what it was like working as CSI before CSI was cool. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Linda Weissgold: Reality check

    On this episode we are joined by Linda Weissgold, former Deputy Director of Analysis at CIA. Our most requested guest to date, tune in to hear her realistic and candid descriptions of her time in the Intelligence Community. From briefing George W. Bush to her time as an analyst covering the Middle East, there are so many moments you won't want to miss. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Uyen Dinh: Diamond Eye

    On this episode we are joined by Uyen Dinh. Uyen is currently the VP for Government Relations and Strategy at Black Sky and served several years as a Hill Staffer in roles at the House Armed Services Committee and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. Uyen describes herself as energetic, fun, and positive; we have no doubt you'll agree. This episode as it is full of laughs and great stories, be sure to tune in. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Kristi Scott: Red October

    Welcome to the Season 6 premiere of the Iron Butterfly Podcast. Megan and Cadie sit down with Kristi Scott, a lawyer with over two decades of experience in the intelligence community and national security, specializing in privacy and civil liberties law. This episode is full of laughs, and conversations ranging from reality TV to the whether or not the intelligence community is listening in to your calls. An episode you don't want to miss! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Season 6 Teaser

    The Iron Butterfly Podcast is back and fiercer than ever! Join Megan and Cadie as they share exciting updates about the team, plans for 2024, and the new Iron Butterfly Studio. Season 6 will premiere on March 3, 2024. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Arlene Gaylord: Corazón

    On our Season Finale we are joined by the extraordinary Arlene Gaylord. Arlene has spent 32+ years at the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and is the Executive Assistant Director (EAD) of the Information and Technology Branch (ITB).  She discusses a range of topics from creating effective and lasting change by using your seat at the table to similarities between the FBI and Broadway. It is no wonder that Arlene has smashed glass ceilings but even more encouraging to know that she will ensure that she is not the last. Tune in to hear her incredible story and for a truly fun episode, full of laughs.  Show Notes:02:17 Río Piedras, Puerto Rico02:50 FBI, Honors Internship Program (HIP)45:15 Lin Manuel Miranda, Pin Collection Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Vinita Fordham: Ms. Marvel

    Episode Summary:This week we are joined by Vinita Fordham, a technology leader working at the cutting edge.  Vinita is Chief Innovation Officer for Bridge Core, LLC and previously served as an AI specialist leader at Deloitte focused on delivering and advocating for mission ready AI strategies and solutions.  She also served as a senior executive in the United States Intelligence Community.  Tune in to hear how her older brother's love for engineering encouraged and inspired her career path and how she developed a passion for the intelligence mission. Show Notes:02:40 Louisiana State University (LSU) 05:25 National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) 08:35 Bihar, India 12:00 In-Q-Tel (IQT) 26:30 CIA, Digital Futures  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Tasha Jones: Ghost Phoenix

    This episode we are joined by the amazing Tasha Jones, a U.S. Navy Veteran and Founder of Twenty39, a purpose built solutions and services partner leveraging over twenty five years’ experience in the U.S. government market space.  Tasha discusses how she transitioned from government into the business world and is an ardent supporter and champion of women in entrepreneurship and innovation.  A force to be reckoned with, we are so inspired by her tenacity and passion for enacting change and empowering others.  Show Notes:12:30 The Diplomat, Keri Russell28:30 Citrine Angels30:30 Hive 3933:30 Unveiled GovCon Stories  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Jen Sovada: Interstellar

    On this episode we are joined by Colonel (Ret.) Jen Sovada.  Jen is the President of SandboxAQ’s Global Public Sector and previously served in the Air Force dedicating 25 years to various positions in operational test, systems interoperability, and requirements definition.  Listen in to hear her speak to the importance of building community and lifting up those around you.  And how her Grandmother, whose love of space, later influenced her drive and passion for public service and being a trailblazer.  Show Notes:4:00 US Air Force, Intelligence8:00 Jack Molesworth, Royal Airforce Molesworth16:40 Georgetown University  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Anjuma Goswami Karkera | Fierce Something-or-Another

    On this episode we are joined by the fierce Anjuma Goswami Karkera.  Anjuma is the CEO of a non-profit professional services organization and previously excelled in roles at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).  Tune in to hear her discuss how being bold and authentic paved the way for her journey into the Intelligence Community.  She shares insight into the power of public service and how institutions can be instruments of positive change.  Truly an episode you don’t want to miss!  Show Notes:05:20 Cheryl Mills, Deputy White House Counsel for President Bill Clinton 06:25 Violence against women act (VAWA)08:00 Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)08:10 George Pierce18:20 Joan Dempsey 28:40 National Geospatial Intelligence Agency (NGA)35:40 Letitia “Tish” Long44:00 General Stanley McChrystal Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Special Live Episode | Firefly, Mija, and Simple Patriot

    In this special episode, hosted by Texas A&M University's The Bush School of Government & Public Service, Megan Jaffer and Cadie Hopkins conduct a live panel discussion with butterflies; Laura Thomas, Stephanie La Rue, and the Honorable Sue Gordon. The panel takes an independent look at women in the intelligence community and where they were on historic occasions, what it's like serving across administrations and political parties, and what they feel is the greatest threat to our national security today.Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ironbutterflymedia/Video & Audio Production: https://poorbearstories.com/Technical Sponsor: https://nationalsecurity.gmu.edu/Promotion: Amazing Women of the ICPodcast Producer: Amanda Young Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Stories from the most powerful women you've never heard of.Eighty years ago, Eloise Page joined the OSS, trailblazing a path for what ultimately became the United States Intelligence Community. She rose the ranks from secretary to case officer, defying the norms of her time, and eventually became the first female Chief of Station at CIA. Along the way, Eloise earned the code name “Iron Butterfly.”These are the women who have shaped our world, and whose influence continues to ripple through time, space, and generations.

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