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Kitchen Table Cult Pod
by Kitchen Table Cult Pod
Kitchen Table Cult unpacks all the things Kieryn and Eve learned at the kitchen tables of their childhoods in conservative Christian homeschooling families. Every week we take your questions and drill down on various topics about Quiverfull, the Religious Right, and our childhoods in high-demand groups (otherwise known as cults).We’re not surprised about the rise of Trump, Christian fascism, or evangelical white women voting for someone like Mike Pence, and we want to take you back through the beginning of it all to explain why.
Episodes
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Shiny Happy Special Episode
Eve and Kieryn are back for a quick update! In the last year Trump was re-elected, Project 2025 started becoming law of the land, Eve made quilts, Kieryn briefly appeared in Shiny Happy People season 2 (we get into it), and is ~a semester and finishing their Gofundme away from getting their...
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S6E12: Children's Rights and Parents' Wrongs
Kieryn and Eve discuss the German family who sought (and were temporarily-ish granted!) asylum in the US to be allowed to homeschool their kids because Germany takes the rights and education of Children seriously. Show notes: https://tinyurl.com/romeikenotes This episode was produced by the…
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S6E11: Usurping Democracy with Bureaucracy
Kieryn and Eve explain the updated policy agenda of the Christian right. We talk about the various tools Christian nationalists plan on using to usurp democracy regardless of who wins the presidential election this year. We dive into Project 2025, the little known and even less talked about...
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S6E10: KTC x The Amendment with Errin Haines
Errin Haines of The 19th* News joins Kieryn and Eve to talk about the future of journalism, being a progressive Christian while covering the news, and the liberatory nature of Black Christianity in the US. Notes: https://19thnews.org/ https://19thnews.org/topics/podcast/ https://x.com/errinhaines...
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S6E9: Apocalypse Child with Carly Butler
Kieryn and Eve talk with Carly Butler about her memoir, Apocalypse Child, what identity abuse looks like for homeschooled kids, and how it feels to reparent yourself while parenting children. Pre-order the book: https://bookshop.org/p/books/apocalypse-child-carly-butler/20702732?ean=9781773861326...
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S6E8: Forager with Michelle Dowd
Kieryn and Eve chat with Michelle Dowd about her fascinating memoir, Forager. What it was like growing up in the family of a cult leader and how wild it is to get out into the real world after growing up in the woods. Check out Michelle's work and get the book!...
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S6E7: As Goes The South with Read Freely Alabama
Kieryn & Eve are joined by the organizers of Read Freely Alabama to discuss the attempt to censor LGBTQ materials in the Augauta-Prattville library and their efforts to protect the library as a community resource for everyone.
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S6E6: We Are All The Public Library with Eddie the Librarian
What do censorship, homeschooling, intellectual freedom, and libraries have in common? We get into it today with Eddie Kristan about the fight libraries are seeing with parental-rights extremist groups trying to censor books and the impact that has on children's rights to access information. Show...
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S6E5: Rift with Cait West
Eve and Kieryn chat with Cait West about her memoir, Rift, and what it's like to leave fundamentalist Christianity only to discover that the patriarchy is alive and well in the secular world and childhood pastors became politically active Christian Nationalists. **Find Cait and buy the book!!**...
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S6E4: Doing It For The Babies 2: IVF Bans and Mife
What is the future of the pro-life movement without simplistic messaging focused on Roe v. Wade to galvanize conservatives? The nuances of reproductive health science and privacy laws are up for debate, and the unity that the pro-life movement once relied on is fissuring under the pressure to…
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S6E3: The Exvangelicals with Sarah McCammon
This week in the Book Club, Kieryn and Eve chat with Sarah McCammon about her upcoming book (March 19) the Exvangelicals! We talk about gatekeeping knowledge, rampant anti-intellectualism, and how changing your religious beliefs change your relationships. You can take the church kid out of the...
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S6E2: Devout with Anna Gazmarian
Kieryn and Eve are joined by Anna Gazmarian to discuss her debut memoir, Devout, which comes out on March 12, 2024. Growing up evangelical means growing up with shame much of the time. Add to that depression, anxiety, religious OCD, and bipolar, and you're in for a massive struggle of faith and...
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S6E1: Tradwives 2.0 Say Fuck Capitalism?
Eve and Kieryn discoverd the Stay At Home Girlfriend/Wife /Tradwife tiktoks and note their remarkable similarity to the Above Rubies and quiverfull mommy/daughter blogs from the 00s, but with a dash of late-stage capitalism dread as a twist. What's the motivation behind people outside of religion...
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S5E20: Mike Johnson Overview
Kieryn and Eve try to overview everything we know so far about Mike Johnson, explain the general concept of Covenant Marriage, and discuss his wife's humurous counseling practice. Instead of posting 4 pages of notes, here's one link: https://tinyurl.com/mikejohnsonktc
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S5E19: Counting The Cost
Kieryn and Eve talk about Jill Duggar Dillard's book, Counting The Cost. How and why it felt different from Jinger's Becoming Free Indeed, and how difficult it is to escape high control environments when the stakes are so high. Also, for more info on Christian Zionism:...
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S5E18 The Woman They Wanted with Shannon Harris
Welcome to book club, where Shannon Bonne, formerly known as Shannon Harris, joins Kieryn and Eve to talk about the writing process for her book, The Woman They Wanted. Shannon talks about embodiment, freedom, and following the joy after spiritual abuse. Links:...
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S5E17: Back To School Right-wing Extremism Edition
Eve and Kieryn chat about the right-wing extremist pivot to taking down all public education institutions. We've talked in prior episodes about radical right-wing groups taking over K-12 education, and today we explain dog whistles of "clasical liberal" education and how even well-meaning…
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S5E16: Disobedient Women with Sarah Stankorb
Kieryn and Eve sit down with Sarah Stankorb to talk about her book, Disobedient Women: How a Small Group of Faithful Women Exposed Abuse, Brought Down Powerful Pastors, and Ignited an Evangelical Reckoning. Covering the origins of the #ChurchToo movement (featuring some friends of the pod!) and…
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S5E15: Fringe of the Fringe with Aaron and Christina Beall
Eve and Kieryn are joined by Aaron and Christina Beall to talk about their experience leaving the christian fundamentalist homeschooling movement and shining a public light on abuse. Read the WaPo article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/interactive/2023/christian-home-schoolers-revolt/...
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S5E14: Shiny Happy People part 2, with Cori Shepherd Stern
Kieyn and Eve chat with Shiny Happy People producer Cori Shepherd Stern about how the documentary was made and why it's important to tell stories this way. Follow Cori: https://www.instagram.com/girlseeksworld/ https://www.instagram.com/storyforceco/ https://twitter.com/girlseeksworld
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S5E13: Shiny Happy People
Kieryn and Eve are IN PERSON and talking about Shiny Happy People and the evolution of sharing their stories as they heal through trauma. Contribute to the CRHE fundraiser: responsiblehomeschooling.org/donate Tell Amazon you want a season two of Shiny Happy People!
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S5E12: You're Not a Stepford Wife, Jing
Eve and Kieryn discuss Jinger's book Free Indeed, on disentangling (not deconstructing) christianity from the teachings of Bill Gothard, and share a bit about their paths out too. Show Notes: https://people.com/tv/duggar-family-prime-video-docuseries-shiny-happy-people-trailer-exclusive/...
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S5E11: Parental Rights Extremism Part 4 With Carmen & Sarah
Kieryn and Eve are joined by friends of the pod Carmen Longoria-Green and Sarah Jones to talk about the bit picture and the meaningful ways we can fight Parental Rights Extremism every day. Show Notes: https://www.foxnews.com/video/6324958910112 https://twitter.com/responsiblehs...
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S5E10: Parental Rights Extremism Part 3, A PAC is Born
In the third part of the deep dive into Parental Rights Extremism, Kieryn and Eve connect the organizational and funding dots between the orgs working on limiting children's education today to the organizations that started it all in the 1970s. Show Notes: https://dayofthehomeschooledchild.org...
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S5E9: Parental Rights Extremism Part 2
Hold on to your hats, Kieryn and Eve do a Deep Dive into the legal history of parental rights and what lays the groundwork for how children's rights are treated (or extremely not, as the case may be) in the US. Notes: https://web.archive.org/web/20150908152647/http://www.hslda.org/parentalrights/...
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S5E8: Parental Rights Extremism Part 1
The first in a multi-part series we've been teasing about all season. We talk about Parental Rights Extremism and how to effectively combat the rhetoric that is banning books from schools and trans children from being able to be themselves without ceding ground to the extremists. Children have...
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S5E7: Jesus is a P3n1s
Sometimes episodes write themselves and we have The Gospel Coalition to thank for this gem. If you're part of our Slack community you know what's coming, what you don't know is that now we have tshirts (and mugs). Swag…
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S5E6: Wycliffe with Anna Olson
Eve and Kieryn chat with friend of the pod Anna Olson about the missionary and linguistic work of Wycliff --- one of the biggest bible translation/missionary organizations --- what they do, their influence on evangelism, and lack of transparency. Anna's instagram:...
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S5E5: Hands of Doom with Jack Holloway
Kieryn and Eve are joined by Jack Holloway from The Heavens AKA, our intro/outro music, to talk about their book, Hands of Doom -- covering the religious connections in the lyrics of Black Sabbath songs. This is your reprieve before we dive into some heavy stuff, please enjoy! Playlist from the...
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S5 E4: Coups The Planet with Annika Brockschmidt
Kieryn and Eve are joined by Annika Brockschmidt, author of Amerika's Gottskrieger and German reporter on the rise of Christofascism in the US to talk about where all these coups are coming from! We cover the recent attempted coup in Germany, how J6 is perceived outside the US, and the…
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S5E3: Club Q with Eleanor and Rian
Eve and Kieryn chat with Eleanor Skelton and Rian about the impact of the Club Q shooting on Colorado Springs and the history and culture of Colorado Springs that gets missed in the mainstream coverage. Follow Eleanor & Rian: https://eleanorwritesthings.com/...
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S5E2: God Forbid
Kieryn and Eve watched the God Forbid documentary and Have Thoughts(tm) after talking about what it feels like to watch twitter become...what it has.
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S5E1: When Radicalized Parents Homeschool with Weston Brown
Eve and Kieryn are back and talking with Weston Brown about parents who homeschool forcing their views on the public school system. Weston's mom is trying to ban books from Public Schools in TX, we talk about how isolating your children to get specific outcomes doesn't work. Follow Weston on...
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S4E20: I'm Glad My Mom Died
It's the last episode of Season 4! Kieryn and Eve discuss the book "I'm Glad My Mom Died" and how it feels to realize you were abused by people you love. CW: Child Abuse & Eating Disorders Buy the Book: https://bookshop.org/books/i-m-glad-my-mom-died-9781797147963/9781982185824
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S4E19: Detra Denise (HNY)
Kieryn and Eve sit down with Detra Denise from Humans of New York and talk about what it was like to leave fundamentalism as a mother and make it in NY. Support & Follow Detra! https://www.instagram.com/Onewomannyc1/ https://www.facebook.com/detra.denise.520…
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S4E18: Fighting Parental Rights Extremism with Darcy
Kieryn and Eve chat with Darcy about how to Protect Trans Kids and fight against Parental Rights Extremism in your school district. Show Notes: Darcy on twitter: https://twitter.com/Dragonfly_Darcy https://www.genderinclusiveschools.org/
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S4E17: Release The Kraken
AKA Ginni Thomas Part 3: Jan 6th. After taking some time off to process Roe being overturned, Kieryn and Eve dive back in to Ginni Thomas' role in the Jan 6th attempted coup and how tolerating unethical behavior lead to this moment. Show Notes: - https://puck.news/whos-afraid-of-ginni-thomas/ -...
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S4E16: When The Moon Turns to Blood with Leah Sottile
Kieryn and Eve chat with Leah Sottile about her new book When The Moon Turns To Blood about Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell's religiously motivated violence and the threads of their theology that we see at play in congress today.
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S4 E15: End of Roe with R.E. Fulton
R.E. Fulton (@rebfulton) joins KTC to talk about the history of abortion and dispel some myths, and tell us about the one who got away with actual murder.
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S4E14: Grove City College & (not) CRT with Cedric Lewis
Kieryn and Eve chat with Prof. Cedric Lewis about Grove City College's Critical Race Theory "investigation". Listen to find out what's actually happening on campus and what you can do to support the students, staff, and faculty who are being impacted. Show Notes: Overheard post and chapel sermon...
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S4E13: Have You Heard The One About Schlafly?
Turns out, Lifespring was not the only cult Ginni Thomas has been a part of. Ginni's mom was an active part of Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum, and never left that cult. Instead, she grew up to enact its agenda with Clarence's support as an "Equally Yoked" partner. WTF does that all mean? find…
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S4E12: Group Grope (aka Ginni Thomas Part 1)
In this first part of a multi-episode series on Ginni Thomas, Kieryn and Eve talk about what draws people into cults, why it isn't weird that Ginni Thomas was in one, and compare and contrast the Lifespring cult to experiences in the church. Notes:...
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S4E11: Matt Shea Part 3
Just when we thought were done with Matt Shea he goes off to Ukraine to """""rescue""""" some "orphans". We have words about it. Show notes: Opening Song - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xX3IfQEH_ https://www.rangemedia.co/matt-shea-poland-ukraine-lublin-orphan/...
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S4E10: Catching Up and Culture Shock
In this short and more low-key episode Kieryn and Eve catch up on the move to Berlin and compare notes about what it's like to experience culture shock in multiple ways from being homeschooled to moving to other countries. If you want to support Kieryn through this transition you can do so on...
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S4 E9: Monologues of an Abusive Husband aka Redeeming Love
The new movie adaption of "Redeeming Love" by Francine Rivers is now in theaters, much to our chagrin. Eve and Kieryn discuss the story of Hosea, the "redemption" story of "Redeeming Love," and why this novel is a textbook abusive relationship story.
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S4E8: The Invisible History of Homeschooling (Research Project) with Dr. Lindsey Maxwell
The homeschooling movement has always been more diverse than it seems! Eve and Kieryn chatted with Dr. Lindsey Maxwell about the invisible history of homeschooling as told through magazines and newsletters in the 80s and 90s. Learn some things you didn't know about the larger homeschooling…
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S4 E7: Farminary and RHE with Jeff Chu
Kieryn and Eve chat with Jeff Chu about finishing the book Wholehearted Faith that he & the late Rachel Held Evans co-authored. Listen to discuss what it's like to write through grief, learn about farmer's markets in Michigan, and wtf a Farminary is. Follow Jeff: https://byjeffchu.com/...
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S4E6: Roe
Eve and Kieryn talk about the impacts of the SCOTUS hearing and what it could mean for Roe v. Wade and other personal rights in the future. **Show Notes** Prior episodes on the topic: https://twitter.com/kitchencultpod/status/1466477773439053826 Summaries...
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S4E5: God Told Me to be a Dick with Stephanie Drury
Kieryn and Eve chat with Stephanie Drury about Christianity Today's podcast about Mars Hill and the importance of giving people room to grow. Notes: Twitter: https://twitter.com/StuffCCLikes Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stuffchristianculturelikes/
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S4E4: Don't Hit Your Kids! with Tal Lavin
This month, Tal Lavin's (author of Culture Warlords: my journey into the dark web of white supremacy) new Substack is allowing Tal to do a three-part series on the ouvre of fundamentalist parenting books which advocate for hitting kids. Tal joins KTC for a discussion of what that research...
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Kitchen Table Cult unpacks all the things Kieryn and Eve learned at the kitchen tables of their childhoods in conservative Christian homeschooling families. Every week we take your questions and drill down on various topics about Quiverfull, the Religious Right, and our childhoods in high-demand groups (otherwise known as cults).We’re not surprised about the rise of Trump, Christian fascism, or evangelical white women voting for someone like Mike Pence, and we want to take you back through the beginning of it all to explain why.
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