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by Kevin Clark and Rafael Conde

A weekly podcast about design, technology, programming and everything else.

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  1. 256: Audio Asterisk

    It's with a heavy heart that we announce that we're going to be saying farewell to the show. We talk through why we wanted to do the show in the first place, and making the difficult decision to end it after 8 years. Show Notes Read the farewell letter on our website Hosts Kevin Clark…

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  2. 255: Fist Sized Button, with Matthaeus Krenn

    This week we are joined by best friend of the show, Matthaeus Krenn to go deep on Apple's Vision Pro. Sponsors GuideGuide: A plugin for powerful guides and grids in your favorite tools. Get 20% off with the promo code "layoutfm". Show Notes Matthaeus Krenn VROS Mastodon Recommendations Electric...

  3. 254: Milanese Battery Belt

    This week we go over what we think Apple will announce at WWDC and capture our thoughts on Apple's much-rumored upcoming VR headset, ahead of the event in two weeks. Sponsors GuideGuide: A plugin for powerful guides and grids in your favorite tools. Get 20% off with the promo code "layoutfm"....

  4. 253: Designer to Artist, with Frederique Matti

    This week, Rafa is joined by special guest Frederique Matti, to talk about her move away from tech into art. Sponsors GuideGuide: A plugin for powerful guides and grids in your favorite tools. Get 20% off with the promo code "layoutfm". , Userbit: Everything your UX team needs to understand users...

  5. 252: Adventures Learning 3D

    This week, Kevin talks about his experiences learning 3D modelling and switching from Cinema 4D to Blender. Sponsors Userbit: Everything your UX team needs to understand users and make smart product decisions. Show Notes Kevin's renders Arthur's Nosh Bar Aesop Bottle Bathroom Ice Cream Shop Ice...

  6. 251: A Love Form

    This week we talk about the vibe shift in the technology industry, how it affected us and our advice for designers. Sponsors Userbit: Everything your UX team needs to understand users and make smart product decisions. Follow Up S-GPT WWDC2023 Tripsy Promo Code Show Notes Recommendations Dark...

  7. 250: How Do We Feel About AI?

    This week we talk about our feelings about AI and ChatGPT. Sponsors Tripsy: All you need for a safe and organized trip. Get 30% off the yearly plan with this link. Show Notes AI ChatGPT OpenAI Midjourney We ❤️ NYC The Last of Us Recommendations Presentable by Victor Kernes PSVR 2 Hosts Kevin…

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  8. 249: Wear Those Numbers as a Badge of Honor

    We're back! This week we catch up on what happened in our lives since the last episode and talk about our plans for season 3 of the show. Show Notes Hand Mirror, post-launch update Hand Mirror App Store ‘Hand Mirror’ is a must-have macOS utility that adds a one-click camera check to your menu bar...

  9. 248: Easter Egg Driven Development

    This week is launch week for Rafa! We talk about all of the details behind the new version of Hand Mirror. Sponsors Fable: Fable helps companies build inclusive products , Hypermatic : Premium Figma plugins that turn design teams into superhumans Show Notes Hand Mirror Website App Store Twitter...

  10. 247: No Teddy Bears Were Harmed in the Making of This Layout

    This week we talk about Kevin's camera purchase, Panic's Playdate and Rafa gives us an update on Handmirror. Sponsors Fable: Fable helps companies build inclusive products , Hypermatic : Premium Figma plugins that turn design teams into superhumans Follow Up Camera update Fujifilm X-T5 Peak…

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  11. 246: The Porcelain Expanded Universe

    2 weeks makes the world of a difference. We share our updated takes on the ongoing Twitter saga, Kevin continues to obsessively research cameras and Rafa talks about his work on Hand Mirror. Sponsors Fable: Fable helps companies build inclusive products , Hypermatic : Premium Figma plugins that...

  12. 245: You Haven’t Finished Your Caprese

    This week we inevitably talk about Twitter, discuss Rewind—the search engine for your life, and finally briefly touch on why seemingly everyone hates Humane. Sponsors Hypermatic : Premium Figma plugins that turn design teams into superhumans , Fable: Fable helps companies build inclusive products...

  13. 244: It Takes Me 5 Minutes, But I Can Read

    This week we talk about our experience hanging out together in person in Portugal last week, discuss the ideal camera now that we're spoiled by iPhones, in a shocking turn of events Rafa gets a new Apple product and finally we discuss the Sketch layoffs. Sponsors Fable: Fable helps companies…

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  14. 243: My UI Doesn’t Jiggle Jiggle

    This week we deep dive into designing for the Dynamic Island and discuss our thoughts on the Google Event announcements. Sponsors Fable: Fable helps companies build inclusive products , Zeplin: Figma faster with Zeplin. Eliminate time spent on design file prep by using Zeplin flows and streamline...

  15. 242: Figma x Adobe

    This week we talk about Figma being acquired by Adobe, and give our thoughts on the new iPhone 14 Pro after using it for a few days. Sponsors Zeplin: Figma faster with Zeplin. Eliminate time spent on design file prep by using Zeplin flows and streamline developer handoff thanks to their...

  16. 241: Dynamic Hole

    This week we talk about Apple's latest announcements: the Apple Watch Ultra and the iPhone 14 Pro. Sponsors Zeplin: Figma faster with Zeplin. Eliminate time spent on design file prep by using Zeplin flows and streamline developer handoff thanks to their screen-by-screen version control. Show…

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  17. 240: Dementors Are Just Misunderstood

    This week we discuss the new Gmail Redesign and Kevin gives his review of After Steve. Sponsors Zeplin: Figma faster with Zeplin. Eliminate time spent on design file prep by using Zeplin flows and streamline developer handoff thanks to their screen-by-screen version control. Show Notes Gmail...

  18. 239: Free Range Baby

    This week we talk about launching Along and give an update on Kevin's adoption of lock screen widgets. Sponsors Zeplin: Figma faster with Zeplin. Eliminate time spent on design file prep by using Zeplin flows and streamline developer handoff thanks to their screen-by-screen version control.…

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  19. 238: Stage Manager, First Impressions

    As promised, this week Rafa gives us his first impressions of Stage Manager in macOS Ventura. Sponsors Zeplin: Figma faster with Zeplin. Eliminate time spent on design file prep by using Zeplin flows and streamline developer handoff thanks to their screen-by-screen version control. Show Notes…

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  20. 237: Launching Until

    This week we dive deeper into the launch of Until, Kevin's newly released app for iOS and watchOS. Sponsors Zeplin: Figma faster with Zeplin. Eliminate time spent on design file prep by using Zeplin flows and streamline developer handoff thanks to their screen-by-screen version control. Show…

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  21. 236: Shame Driven Development

    This week we go through some of the details that we missed in our WWDC episode, and Kevin has a special announcement! Sponsors Zeplin: Figma faster with Zeplin. Eliminate time spent on design file prep by using Zeplin flows and streamline developer handoff thanks to their screen-by-screen version...

  22. 235: Big Dub Dub Energy, with Joey Banks

    This week, we are joined by special guest Joey Banks to talk about Apple's WWDC 2022 announcements: iOS 16, watchOS 8, macOS Ventura, iPadOS 16, and the newly designed M2 MacBook Air. Sponsors Zeplin: Figma faster with Zeplin. Eliminate time spent on design file prep by using Zeplin flows and...

  23. 234: Designing Auto Layout, with Joel Miller and Oscar Nilsson

    Kevin is out this week, so Rafa is joined by special guests Joel Miller and Oscar Nilsson from Figma to talk about their work designing Autolayout V4. Sponsors Zeplin: Figma faster with Zeplin. Eliminate time spent on design file prep by using Zeplin flows and streamline developer handoff thanks…

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  24. 233: This One Is The Ewwest

    This week we celebrate the life of the iPod by ranking our favorite and least favorite iPod industrial designs. Follow Up Kevin Was Wrong™ Turns out, it seems that most people do use Figma in fullscreen. Screenshot of Rafa’s Desktop when using Figma PiSight Camera Test Show Notes Our rankings…

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  25. 232: Gridients, Because We’re So Clever

    This week we talk about our first impressions of the new Figma features introduced at Config 2022, and what they mean for us as designers. Sponsors Zeplin: Figma faster with Zeplin. Eliminate time spent on design file prep by using Zeplin flows and streamline developer handoff thanks to their...

  26. 231: Chewable UI

    This week we continue our discussion on app icons and go deep on the icon picker UI Rafa designed. Sponsors Around: Video calls designed for collaboration, not meetings. Follow Up Ollie on Twitter: Carpet vs Rug vs Mat Show Notes The App Icon Book Rafa’s Icon Tweet Rafa’s Icon Picker UI Tweet...

  27. 230: Aladdin’s Magic Rug

    This week we talk about Kevin's foray into designing something for work, then get an update from Rafa about some of his furniture decisions, and Rafa shares his explorations for Along's app icon design. Sponsors Zeplin: Figma faster with Zeplin. Eliminate time spent on design file prep by using...

  28. 229: Center Stage of Attention

    This week we talk about spending in-person time with your team, one of us has an official statement about the Studio Display, and we check in on Until, Kevin's side project. We also discuss our thoughts on Severance, the best show on Apple TV+. Sponsors Around: Video calls designed for...

  29. 228: Focus Mode, for the Camera

    This week we talk about Kevin's Studio Display woes, webcams and dive into roll out strategies for launching a new iOS app. Follow Up Apple Studio Display Logitech 4K Pro Magnetic Webcam Opal C1 Lumina Show Notes Handmirror Thwip Recommendations Vivid (use code LAYOUT for 33% off) Audio Hijack...

  30. 227: I Think Most People Don't Care

    This week, Rafa gives us an update on his talk proposal, which leads into a conversation about bringing delight into our work, we then get into more on the Studio Display and cable management. Show Notes Config Mailbox beta coin again Studio Display Christian Selig’s Dream Apple Monitor Lineup...

  31. 226: Honey I Shrunk The Designers

    This week, we deep dive into Apple’s “Peek Performance” event, most notably the Studio Display. Show Notes Apple Peek Event Mac Studio Studio Display Recommendations Severance Inventing Anna Hosts Kevin Clark (@vernalkick) Rafael Conde (@rafahari)

  32. 225: I Can See the Flexbox In My Head

    This week we talk about strategies for bringing more dev into your design process... even when that's not expected of your role as a designer. Sponsors Zeplin: Figma faster with Zeplin. Eliminate time spent on design file prep by using Zeplin flows and streamline developer handoff thanks to their...

  33. 224: Pleading My Case to the Figma Gods

    This week we talk about bringing fun into your work. Sponsors Zeplin: Figma faster with Zeplin. Eliminate time spent on design file prep by using Zeplin flows and streamline developer handoff thanks to their screen-by-screen version control. Follow Up Shure SM7B Elgato Wave XLR iPod Hi-Fi...

  34. 223: Babies Be Babying

    This week we talk about Rafa's new hobby and Apple's Tap to Pay on iPhone. Sponsors Zeplin: Figma faster with Zeplin. Eliminate time spent on design file prep by using Zeplin flows and streamline developer handoff thanks to their screen-by-screen version control. Follow Up Fantastical Scheduling...

  35. 222: Download an MKBHD

    We're finally back after our extended holiday break! This week we catch up, talk about the challenges of interior design, and get into why you shouldn't feel bad if you don't get the job after an interview. Sponsors Zeplin: Figma faster with Zeplin. Eliminate time spent on design file prep by…

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  36. 221: 2021 Year in Review

    This week we reflect on 2021, then get into a conversation about what we'd like to be known for and finally discuss how we'd like to grow in 2022. Sponsors Play: The first native iOS design tool built for creating mobile products. Design, iterate, and collaborate directly from your phone. Use…

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  37. 220: Figma's Redesigned Comments, with Ryhan Hassan

    This week, we're joined by friend of the show Ryan Hassan, designer at Figma, to tell us all about how they've redesigned Comments. Sponsors Play: The first native iOS design tool built for creating mobile products. Design, iterate, and collaborate directly from your phone. Use this link to get...

  38. 219: Great Auto Layout Responsibility

    This week we follow up on all of the feedback we got about the "new" Layout website and then talk about how a tweet about autolayout ended up being way more controversial than we thought. Sponsors Play: The first native iOS design tool built for creating mobile products. Design, iterate, and...

  39. 218: Human Machine Learning

    This week we nerd out about our new website. While things look mostly the same, we rewrote all of the code and are now using a CMS to make posting episodes easier. Follow Up Austin Guevara spotted a few visual differences in our website Show Notes Our website Next.js DatoCMS Recommendations…

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  40. 217: Are you a Kevin or a Rafa?

    This week we talk about career paths and Kevin gets into his experience managing managers. Sponsors Play: The first native iOS design tool built for creating mobile products. Design, iterate, and collaborate directly from your phone. Use this link to get early access. Show Notes Kevin's app…

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  41. 216: MAX: Make Animals Xtinguished

    This week we talk about learnings from our previous work experiences and then discuss a few macOS onboarding quirks. Sponsors Play: The first native iOS design tool built for creating mobile products. Design, iterate, and collaborate directly from your phone. Use this link to get early access....

  42. 215: A Very Bond Villainy Thing To Do

    Rafa got his new MacBook Pro, so of course we dive right into his thoughts on the new machine. We also talk about our favorite company swag. Sponsors Play: The first native iOS design tool built for creating mobile products. Design, iterate, and collaborate directly from your phone. Use this link...

  43. 214: Do You Use A Computer? STOP

    This week we follow up on our MacBook Pro orders, address the design drama of the day and get into a conversation about the future of design tools. Sponsors Play: The first native iOS design tool built for creating mobile products. Design, iterate, and collaborate directly from your phone. Use…

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  44. 213: Maxed Out M1 Max Mac

    This week we briefly touch on Rafa's new job before jumping into our thoughts on the newly announced M1 Pro/Max MacBook Pros. Sponsors Play: The first native iOS design tool built for creating mobile products. Design, iterate, and collaborate directly from your phone. Use this link to get early...

  45. 212: I’m Siri’s Cousin (BONUS)

    We're back! We catch up on everything Rafa released since our last episode, and Kevin gives his first impessions on the iPhone 13 Pro. Show Notes Booby Track, now for iOS OSX.Photo, remastered classic Mac OS X wallpapers AirUnleashed 2 Belkin 3-in-1 Wireless Charger with MagSafe 15W MagSafe…

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  46. 211: [chirpbirdiconbirdie]

    This week we talk about Twitter's visual evolution and the drama surrounding 1Password's move to Electron. Show Notes Twitter's new design updates "Twitter's new font 'Chirp' appears to be white-labeled GT America." Twitter's visual evolution 1Password drama 1Password 8 for Mac 1Password 8: The...

  47. 210: A Floaty URL Bubble

    This week's episode is all about the iOS 15 Safari redesign (and the changes in the following beta builds). Show Notes Regarding the Safari 15 Public Betas for Mac and iOS Safari's crowded toolbar in iOS 15 Beta 4 Recommendations Panic Podcast, episode 6 Sleeve Hosts Kevin Clark (@vernalkick)...

  48. 209: Just One Blog Away

    We're back! Rafa not only has a new baby but also a new app in the App Store! We talk about some of the details of the app, touch on how side projects are different when you have a newborn and eventually talk about Until, the app Kevin has been working on but probably will never release. Show…

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  49. 208: Filling Your Ears, with Joey Banks

    This week we are joined by special guest Joey Banks to talk about Apple's WWDC announcements and give some of our thoughts on the design decisions behind these new releases of iOS, iPadOS, macOS and more. Show Notes Joey Banks Twitter Figma Joey on Layout episode 149: Excited for Tomorrow's…

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  50. 207: I Can Never See the Extra Ks (feat. David Darnes)

    This week we welcome our reporter out in the field, David Darnes, to tell us about his hands on experience with the new iMac. Show Notes David Darnes Website Twitter iMac Reincubate Camo Recommendations Bo Burnham: INSIDE 1Password James Hoffmann Project Hail Mary Hosts Kevin Clark (@vernalkick)...

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A weekly podcast about design, technology, programming and everything else.

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