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Lessons In Product Management
by Path2Product
Path2Product's Mission is to bridge the gap in product management experience for aspiring product managers, so the Lessons In Product Management podcast is here to support that effort, as well as provide valuable insights to existing PMs and PM leaders.
Episodes
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When AI Becomes the User: Building Products for an Agentic Future with Kimberly Logan
AI isn’t just changing how we use software, it's changing who software is built for. In this episode of Lessons in Product Management, John Fontenot sits down with Kimberly Logan, Head of Product at the Walrus Foundation and former Google leader, to explore the evolution of product leadership and...
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Product Vision and Strategy in the Age of AI
In this special crossover episode, John joins Matt Green and Moshe Mikanovsky on the Product for Product Podcast to explore vision and strategy in the age of AI. They discuss what vision and strategy actually mean, how AI is changing the product manager’s role, and where human judgment…
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So What? Why? Who Cares? Why messaging matters in product management
In this episode of Lessons in Product Management, John sits down with product marketing leader and author Doug Kimball to discuss why messaging is one of the most overlooked drivers of product success. Drawing from Doug’s new book, So What? Why? Who Cares?, the conversation explores how product...
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New Season Intro! We're Back!
Episode Summary In this season premiere of Lessons in Product Management, John Fontenot introduces a new direction for the podcast - one focused on the intersection of artificial intelligence, product management, go-to-market strategy, product-market fit, and organizational alignment. While AI is...
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How Metalab does design-led product management with Megan O'Rourke - Head of Product @ Metalab
I’m joined by Megan, Executive Director of Product Management at MetaLab, who brings nearly a decade of experience working across dozens of products and teams. In this conversation, we cut through the noise and get to the fundamentals: alignment, communication, prioritization, problem-solving…
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How Klaviyo is Redefining B2C CRM, Services, and AI with Grant Deken, Head of Product of Klaviyo Services
🎙️ Episode Title: How Klaviyo is Redefining B2C CRM, Services, and AI with Grant Deken 🧑💼 Guest: Grant Deken – Head of Product, Klaviyo Services 📅 Episode Overview: In this episode of Lessons in Product Management, host John Fontenot sits down with Grant Deken, Head of Product at Klaviyo...
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How to stop Sales from selling vaporware
🎙 Episode Summary Host: John Fontenot Topic: How to stop sales teams from selling vaporware (promising unbuilt features) 💡 Core Problem Sales teams often promise features that don't yet exist (a.k.a. vaporware) to close deals. This creates chaos for product and engineering, derails the roadmap,...
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Upleveling your PM career w/ Shobhit Chugh - CEO of Intentional Product Manager
In this episode, Shobhit Chugh, former Google PM and founder of Intentional Product Manager, shares practical strategies for moving beyond execution and becoming a standout product leader—even when you don’t have formal authority or a supportive manager. 🔑 Key Takeaways 1. Don’t Mistake...
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Bridging the Gap Between Product Management & Product Marketing with Daria Love, Director of Product Marketing at the Trans.eu Group
🔑 Summary: In this insightful conversation, Daria Love unpacks the often-blurred boundaries between product marketing and product management. She shares practical frameworks for collaboration, the importance of go-to-market (GTM) roadmaps, and how product managers and marketers can set each…
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How AI is impacting the PM role w/ Irene Yu - Founder & CEO of Skiplevel
🎙️ Guest: Irene Yu Founder & CEO of SkipLevel – a company helping PMs become more technical without needing to code. Skiplevel article on how AI is changing the PM role 🔑 Key Topics & Timestamps [00:00 - 02:25] Irene's BackgroundIrene shares her transition from software engineer to starting...
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Becoming a T-Shaped Product Manager
Summary: In this episode of Lessons in Product Management, John discusses the importance of developing into a T-shaped product manager — someone who has deep expertise in one area but broad knowledge across many disciplines. He explains how the expectations of PMs are evolving, particularly with...
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How PMs Can Improve Working & Communicating with Engineers w/ Paul Lunow, Head of Technology and Innovation at XU Sustainable
Lessons in Product Management - Working & Communicating with Engineers Guest: Paul Lunow Host: John Doe Episode Duration: ~28 min [00:00 - 01:37] Introduction John welcomes Paul Lunow to the podcast. Paul previously hosted John on Product and Cake. Background on Paul’s 20-year career in tech....
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Post-Launch PM with Megan Shulby - Assoc. Director of Technical Product Management @ AT&T
Podcast Summary: Megan Shulby on Post-Launch Product ManagementIntroduction & Megan’s Background 01:24 - 02:01 – Megan Shulby is introduced; she and John connected via LinkedIn due to her content on underrated product management topics. 02:01 - 04:39 – Megan shares her journey from Hollywood...
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Will Gen AI Consolidate the PM and UX Roles?
Episode Summary: In this episode, John Fontenot explores a thought-provoking topic: the potential consolidation of Product Management (PM) and User Experience (UX) roles due to advancements in Generative AI. He examines the overlap between these two disciplines, the evolving responsibilities of…
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How can PMs survive getting stuck in a waterfall
In this episode ofLessons in Product Management, host John Fontenot tackles a listener's question:How can a product manager succeed in a waterfall environment? He acknowledges that while Agile is often the preferred framework, many industries and organizations still operate in waterfall models,...
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Why the pressure to constantly ship new features?
Do you feel constantly pressured to ship new features? Do you get the space you need for proper discovery? Most Product Managers feel this pressure, and I was recently asked on LinkedIn why this is the case. What about our company cultures or human nature drives this desire for more new stuff? In...
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Why the best Product Managers are NOT perfectionists
On today's Lesson in Product Management, this one is for the perfectionists out there. If you consider yourself a "creative" or an artist, you might be tempted to hide your work until you deem it "perfect" - but that could be hurting you more than you know. On this episode we break down why...
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Why product marketers hate product managers
It's easy to get overly focused on "doing your job" as a product manager. Unfortunately, we risk taking too narrow of a view of what our job actually is. When it comes to working with PMMs (product marketing managers), it's no different. And it's about time we start treating them like partners...
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Why "leaning into your strengths as a PM" is a trap
Some of the greatest leaders and leadership authors have given the advice to "Lean into your strengths." This idea makes sense in some instances. In other cases, it can handicap your career and growth trajectory. If you want to get into product management and challenge yourself to gain much…
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Leading Product in regulated industries with Bob Ainsbury, Chief Product Officer at Granicus
On today’s episode, I got to chat with Bob Ainsbury, Chief Product Officer at Granicus. Bob is a long-time Product leader who has had a winding journey from engineering to sales and marketing leadership to leading strategy and now in the C-suite as a Product executive. For most of Bob’s career,...
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Creating win/win relationships with your stakeholders
What is your relationship like with your stakeholders? If you're not treating them like partners, I can promise you it's not great. In this episode, we share how to build great relationships with your "stakeholders" and create win/win relationships that stop making stakeholders feel like blockers...
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When process kills progress - a story about Scrum
On today's lesson in product management, John Fontenot shares a recent story about his experience working in a Scrum shop and how the rigid interpretation of Scrum almost killed his ability to ship a critical integration on time. If you're interested in entering product management and want to…
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Bring me problems. Don't bring me solutions.
The difference between regular managers and product managers... Regular manager: "Don't bring me problems. Bring me solutions!" Product Manager: "Don't bring me solutions. Bring me problems" It's our job to care more about the problem driving the request for a solution than the solution itself.…
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Should product managers have side projects while employed?
Key Takeaways Side projects offer valuable experience for aspiring PMs and an outlet for creativity/ownership for employed PMs Benefits include mental health, skill development, and potential innovation Time management and prioritizing core job responsibilities are crucial when pursuing side...
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The tension between research and shipping products
Hello and welcome in to another episode of Lessons in Product Management, I’m your host, John Fontenot, and on today’s episode I have Paul Turaew on to talk about his journey into product management and we riff on a number of topics in research. Paul’s a long-time PM, having held a variety of Sr....
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How to conduct research for internal products with Stephanie Jerome - Product Manager at Okoya
On today’s episode, I got to speak with Stephanie Jerome, Product Manager at Akoya. Stephanie has a ton of experience managing internal products, and that was the focus of our conversation today. Stephanie also shared how she got her start in product management and lessons she’s learned along the...
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SLG better than PLG?! What research says with Emilia Korczynska, Head of Marketing at Userpilot
On today’s episode, we have Emilia Kortrynska, Head of Marketing at UserPilot. In the discussion with Emilia, we talk about some incredibly interesting research that came out of UserPilot recently about how Sales Led Growth appears to beat Product Led Growth in many categories. Which to PLG...
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Why you should never pay for customer interviews
It's a hotly debated topic, whether you should always pay customers for their time when sourcing and conducting interviews. Spoiler alert! I think you're doing yourself a huge disservice if you make it a habit of paying customers for feedback. In this episode, we unpack all the reasons why you...
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The Catch 22 of User Interview Prep
There are pros and cons to preparing for user research. As they say, too much of a good thing can be a bad thing. And the same is true with prepping for research. On this episode, we break down the benefits of user interview preparation and the potential drawbacks if you let perfection become the...
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We're back! Thanks for sticking with us.
After taking a year off to focus on work and life, we're back and excited to be back! We've been building ResearchRepo for Product teams to collaborate, consolidate, and communicate research that ties back to company goals and objectives. I've started a new role as VP of Product at Terlumina But...
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Navigating Layoffs - Advice from a Director of Product
This is a crazy and turbulent time in Tech. Companies are hitting financial hard times or restructuring as the economy is forcing extreme prioritization of resources. If you find yourself on the unfortunate end of these layoffs, I have someone on the show who has been through several and helped...
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Pricing - What You Wish You Knew - with Dan Balcauski
Dan Balcauski is a pricing expert and dropped by the pod to share key insights, hot takes, and practical advice for product teams and leaders to help unpack the pricing process, key variables, and mistakes to avoid. Show notes: 0:00-0:30 - Episode Intro 0:30-1:55 - Dan’s Intro/Background…
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What's Missing In Prioritization Frameworks?
There are great frameworks for prioritizing features, but what if prioritizing features isn't the right approach? We dig into why opportunity costs are the most underrated variables in prioritizing Product decisions. If you're looking to get into product management, come join us at Path2Product…
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5 Key Elements of Successful Product Launches with Derek Osgood - Founder and CEO of Ignition
This week's lesson in product management is brought to you by Derek Osgood, Founder and CEO of Ignition. If your product launches are less than ideal, you should listen to what Derek has to say. Even if you're launches go well, there are great tips on how to optimization the success of your...
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Product Management Essentials - Part 3 - Drafting Product Strategy
As you wrap up the last 30 days of your 30, 60, 90-day onboarding, it's time to start drafting strategy. In this episode I break down how to do that with a simple framework and how to shrink the timeline if you don't have 90 days to get it done in a new position. Here's the episode with Randal...
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When ideation is a waste of time
Many answers to the question of "why do you want to be a product manager" have some variation of "ideation." While ideation and solutioning are definitely part of product management, it's by far NOT the most important thing to get right. If you're looking to get into product management, join us…
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When should you respond to competitive pressure?
Story time - your competitor launched a feature. They’re making a bunch of noise on all the social channels. An influencers Tie Tok of the new thing went viral. Your execs are screaming that you need to respond. As the Product Manager, what do you do? That's exactly the scenario we'll unpack on...
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PM hiring is broken and how to fix it with Andrew Bowker, Senior Product Manager @ IBM
Andrew and I both had non-traditional paths into product management, and we've both experienced and seen how broken the talent acquisition process is for aspiring PMs. On this episode, you'll hear a passionate discussion of what problems we've noticed and some fun banter on how we'd fix the problem.
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How To Product Manage Expansion Into New Markets with Luke and Jakub, PMs at GetResponse
On this episode of Lessons in Product Management, I sat down with Luke and Jakub from GetResponse as they shared their experiences launching products into new markets, what it takes to do it successfully, how to test into it, and how partnerships can be great and complicated at the same time.
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Product Manager Anti-Patterns (Ego) w/ Eva Beasley, Product Manager at UIPath
On today's episode, Eva Beasley shares her experience before and after getting into Product Management. One of the things she noticed about some of the PMs she interacted with was an anti-pattern that needed to be addressed, so we did so here. If you're looking to get into Product Management…
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Path to Product Leadership w/ Eric Perkins - Director of Product @ Entrata
Eric Perkins is the Director of Product at Entrata. And as Eric describes his career, it feels like he has a rocket attached to his back. In this discussion, Eric and I talk through how he got into product management, how he quickly rose into a leadership role, and what he's learned along the…
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Solving Product Growth w/ Etienne Garbugli - Founder & CEO of Lean B2B
On today's episode, I had the immense pleasure of speaking with Etienne Garbugli, Founder & CEO of Lean B2B and Author of Lean B2B, Solving Product, and Find Your Market. Etienne is a brilliant product thinker and author with a varied and diverse background, all in and around product management....
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5 Immutable Truths of Great Product Management
On today's episode, we have JJ Rorie, CEO of Great Product Management and Author of 5 Immutable Truths of Great Product Management, and you're in for a treat! Don't miss out on this great episode as we dive deep into building high customer intelligence, the first Immutable Truth of Great Product...
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ML's Impact on Product Management Careers w/ Gopal Erinjippurath
On today's episode, we have Gopal Erinjippurath, Founder, CTO, and Head of Product at Sust Global. Gopal and I talked about: His product career The lifecycle of AI/ML Best use cases for Data Science and ML in products And how ML might impact your career in product management Connect with Gopal on...
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Building Strong Product Team Dynamics w/ Nico
Nico joined the show to share his advice and experience on building strong product team relationships. If you're looking to get into product management, you'll need experience. Start gaining tangible product manager experience today on your Path2Product 0:00-0:52 - Episode Intro 0:52-2:08 -...
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Transitioning Intro Product Management w/ Larry Imgrund - Product Manager at Khoros
Making the transition into product management can be hard. Larry Imgrund shares how he did it, and he offers advice for anyone looking to get into Product or anyone who has recently made that transition. If you're looking to get into product management, join us at Path2Product to start gaining…
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User-Driven Roadmaps w/ Matt Young - CEO of UserVoice
Should users or customers drive your roadmap decisions? The answer is yes AND no. Like everything in product management, it depends... and Matt and I dive deep into the topic. If you want to get into product management, join us at Path2Product to get the experience and visibility you need to land...
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Essentials of Product Management Part 2 - Customer and Market Research
On this episode, we get "out of the building" to start learning about our customers and the markets we serve and want to serve. After understanding your business, objectives, and strategy, this is the next step before being ready enough to start mapping out a strategic direction for your team or...
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Product Management Essentials - Part 1 - Business Acumen
Getting back to the basics of product management, my goal in this multi-part series is to demystify product management for new and aspiring product managers. If you're looking to break into product management, join us at Path2Product where you'll gain the experience you need to land your first...
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Never Assume - Cross Over Episode w/ JJ Rorie CEO of Great Product Management and Host of the Product Voices Podcast - Part 2
On this cross-over episode, I joined JJ Rorie's Product Voices Podcast to share the last 5 chapters of my book, Never Assume - Ten Fatal Assumptions Great PMs Never Make Be sure to subscribe to the Product Voices Podcast and follow JJ on Twitter at her handle above. If you're looking to get into...
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Path2Product's Mission is to bridge the gap in product management experience for aspiring product managers, so the Lessons In Product Management podcast is here to support that effort, as well as provide valuable insights to existing PMs and PM leaders.
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