Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate

PODCAST · society

Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate

Welcome to Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate — where we connect neighbors, businesses, and stories, because home is more than four walls. Hosted by Ed Frisbee of Frisbee Real Estate, this podcast highlights the people and places that make Hendersonville, Flat Rock, Fletcher, Asheville, and greater Western North Carolina such a special place to call home. Each episode features local business owners, community leaders, and hidden gems, giving you an authentic look at life in the Blue Ridge. Whether you’re a longtime resident or considering making this area your home, join us as we explore what it truly means to live local in WNC.

  1. 30

    Living Local with Dr. Cory Noll

    In Episode 28 of Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate, Ed sits down with Dr. Cory Noll, founder of Edgewood Holistic Chiropractic Center in Asheville, North Carolina, to explore a different approach to health, healing, and overall wellness.With over 20 years of experience in chiropractic care, Dr. Noll has built his practice around a unique philosophy that goes beyond traditional adjustments. His focus is on the brain and nervous system, emphasizing how the body functions as a connected system rather than just treating isolated symptoms.A major theme of the episode is the role of stress in overall health. Dr. Noll explains that many modern health issues stem from what he describes as “stress physiology,” including physical, chemical, and emotional stressors. His goal is to help patients move out of that state and restore balance, communication, and coherence within the body.At Edgewood Holistic Chiropractic Center, Dr. Noll uses a three-pillar approach to care:Brain-based chiropractic care to improve nervous system functionEnergy-based techniques to address emotional stress and traumaFunctional medicine principles to support organ health and overall wellnessThis integrated approach allows him to work with patients dealing with issues like chronic pain, headaches, anxiety, insomnia, brain fog, digestive issues, and high blood pressure.Unlike traditional chiropractic visits, Dr. Noll’s sessions typically last 30 to 45 minutes, giving him time to fully evaluate each individual and tailor care to their specific needs. His focus is not just symptom relief, but helping patients achieve long-term healing and improved quality of life.Dr. Noll also shares his background in neuroscience research at Caltech and how that experience shaped his approach to chiropractic care. His passion lies in helping people understand how their bodies are designed to heal and function at a higher level.Beyond health, the episode highlights some favorite spots around Asheville and Western North Carolina, including:Taco Billy for breakfast tacos in West AshevilleGan Shan for Asian fusionWhite Labs Brewing Co. for casual dining and local beerThe Hop Ice Cream for a classic Asheville treatOutdoor favorites like Craggy Gardens and Rattlesnake Lodge trails off the Blue Ridge ParkwayFor anyone in Asheville, NC or surrounding areas looking for a more holistic, whole-body approach to chiropractic care, this episode offers valuable insight into a different way of thinking about health.To learn more or schedule a consultation, visit edgewoodwellness.com or call 828-254-3838.As always, keep living local.

  2. 29

    Living Local with Annamarie Jakubielski

    Episode 27: Annamarie Jakubielski of Discover Hometown Magazine – Local Marketing in Hendersonville, NCIn this episode of Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate, Ed sits down with Annamarie Jakubielski, publisher of Discover Hometown Magazine, to talk about local business marketing, print advertising, and why staying visible in a crowded market still matters.Annamarie shares her story of moving to Hendersonville, North Carolina from Florida in 2005, looking for a small-town feel with four seasons. Shortly after relocating, her husband launched what is now known as Discover Hometown Magazine, a direct-mail coupon publication serving Henderson County and South Asheville. About six years ago, Annamarie took over the business and has continued to grow it ever since.The magazine is distributed four times per year (February, May, August, and November) and features local business ads and coupons, with no editorial content. Its goal is simple: help small businesses stay top of mind with consumers in their immediate area.A key theme in this episode is the importance of consistent marketing. Annamarie explains that even in a digital world, print advertising still holds strong value because it’s tangible and easy to revisit, unlike online ads that are often forgotten. She emphasizes that businesses need to be seen regularly to remain relevant, especially as consumer attention spans continue to shrink.Discover Hometown Magazine focuses on affordable advertising for small businesses, targeting specific neighborhoods and mail routes with higher engagement. With around 75 advertisers in Henderson County, the publication supports a wide range of industries and encourages local spending by offering incentives through coupons and promotions.Beyond business, the episode highlights why Hendersonville continues to be a great place to live and visit. Annamarie shares some of her favorite local spots, including:Salty Landing (Etowah) for fresh seafood and burgersTaco Fiesta (Horseshoe) for fast, affordable local eatsArabella’s and Eggs Up Grill for breakfastOutdoor destinations like DuPont State Forest, Pisgah National Forest, and the growing Ecusta TrailScenic views at Jump Off Rock and hidden gems like Hooper Lane in Mills River for sunrise and sunsetFor local business owners, this episode is especially valuable. It offers insight into effective local advertising strategies, the role of print in modern marketing, and how to build long-term visibility in a competitive market.To learn more or advertise, visit discoverhometown.net.As always, keep living local.

  3. 28

    Living Local with Joel Benson

    In Episode 26 of Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate, Ed sits down with Joel Benson, the longtime owner-operator of Chick-fil-A in Hendersonville, North Carolina, for a conversation about leadership, community, resilience, and what it takes to build a business that people trust.Joel shares his remarkable Chick-fil-A journey, which started at 16 years old in Tennessee and led him through stores in Colorado, St. Louis, and Nashville before opening the Hendersonville Chick-fil-A in 2001. Now, as Hendersonville Chick-fil-A approaches its 25th anniversary, Joel reflects on why this community became home and why he still loves serving it after more than 30 years with the brand.One of the biggest takeaways from the episode is how unique the Chick-fil-A operator model really is. Joel explains that becoming an operator is highly competitive, often compared to getting into elite universities, and that the process takes years. While operators run their restaurants like owners, Chick-fil-A carefully selects leaders who align with the company’s long-term values and customer-first mission.The conversation also dives into Hurricane Helene and its impact on Hendersonville. Joel shares how one of his Chick-fil-A locations on Spartanburg Highway took on several feet of floodwater, while the other store was left without power for days. On top of that, his own home was heavily affected by landslides and road damage. Despite the devastation, Chick-fil-A corporate sent in major support, helping restore the flooded restaurant and reopen in roughly two weeks, allowing the team to get back to serving first responders, volunteers, and the local community during a critical time.Joel’s story is not just about chicken sandwiches. It’s about servant leadership, faith, team development, and investing in people. He talks about how meaningful it is to help young employees grow, and Ed notes that all three of his children worked at Chick-fil-A and benefited from the experience. For Joel, success is not just measured in sales, but in helping team members become better prepared for life beyond the restaurant.They also talk local favorites around Hendersonville, with Joel recommending:Pie Squared for pizzaBrooks Tavern for burgers and comfort foodPostero for a higher-end mealMountain Deli for downtown lunchOutdoor spots like Bearwallow Mountain, Jump Off Rock, and local agritourism destinations like Grandad’s Apples and Stepp’s Hillcrest OrchardJoel also shares that Chick-fil-A continues rolling out new menu items and seasonal offerings, with mobile app users often getting early access and rewards.If you’re in Hendersonville, NC, you already know Chick-fil-A is a local staple. This episode gives listeners a behind-the-scenes look at the person leading it, and why his commitment to service, excellence, and community has made such a lasting impact.As always, keep living local.

  4. 27

    Living Local with Brent Carter

    In Episode 25 of Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate, Ed sits down with Brent Carter of Driven Construction for a fun, wide-ranging conversation that mixes construction insights, local food recommendations, and a few laughs (including the now-famous “finish the lyric” segment).About Driven ConstructionBrent shares that Driven Construction is nearing 14 years in business and recently made a big internal move by transitioning from a sole proprietor structure to an incorporated company. He’s been around construction most of his life, with experience in modular and manufactured housing, plus formal training in construction that helps him understand projects from multiple angles.A major theme of the episode is how Driven operates:100% referral-based (no advertising)Focused on doing work “at a very high level”Organized, hands-on, and detail-drivenStrong emphasis on representing the client well onsiteHiring and the Next Generation of TradesBrent talks honestly about the challenge of hiring and keeping the right people, especially when different work styles and expectations collide. At the same time, he’s encouraged by the younger generation (teens and early 20s) who are eager to learn the trade. For Brent, teaching and developing talent is part of building a stronger future for the construction industry.Are Robots Coming to Construction?The conversation dips into the future of building, including robots and 3D printing. Brent has seen more automation on the manufacturing and modular side, and while he believes technology will keep growing, he still sees a strong need for the human skill and judgment that quality construction requires.Local Restaurant Picks in Asheville and HendersonvilleBrent offers a solid list of local favorites, including brunch and lunch spots the family returns to regularly:Post 25 (South Asheville)Seasons at Highland Lake (Hendersonville) for weekend brunchOmni Grove Park / Blue Ridge buffetCorner Kitchen (Asheville), which he says has come back strong after Hurricane HeleneMills River Brewery and Appalachian Mountain Brewing for great food and an easy meetup spotEast Village Grill (EVG) as a sister option with the same consistencyHow to Contact Brent and Driven ConstructionIf you’re considering a remodel, build, or construction project and want a trusted local team, Brent shares how to reach them:Website: drivenconstruction.coOffice phone: 828-691-1585Ed’s friendly warning: Driven is in demand, so plan ahead.From construction growth to community favorites, this episode is a great snapshot of a local builder who values quality, relationships, and doing things the right way.Keep living local.

  5. 26

    Living Local with Marcus Jones

    Episode 24: Marcus Jones, Henderson County Engineer – Recycling, Ecusta Trail & RoundaboutsIn Episode 24 of Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate, Ed talks with Marcus Jones, Henderson County Engineer, about the infrastructure that keeps Henderson County running — from solid waste and recycling to Hurricane Helene recovery, the Ecusta Trail, and local roundabouts.Marcus has served Henderson County for nearly 20 years and oversees engineering-related operations including solid waste, the transfer station, utilities, facility services, and coordination with soil and water and the animal shelter. As he puts it, if you live or work in Henderson County, he’s “your county engineer.”Transfer Station vs. LandfillHenderson County transitioned from a traditional landfill to a transfer station system in the mid-1990s due to environmental regulations and long-term costs. Today:Trash is collected at the Stony Mountain Road transfer stationIt’s transported 76 miles to a landfill in Union County, South CarolinaConstruction debris and municipal solid waste follow the same routeThis system allows the county to manage waste efficiently without operating its own landfill.Recycling in Henderson CountyHenderson County ranks in the top 25% of North Carolina counties for recycling. Recycling is:Single-stream (no sorting required at home)Processed at a materials recovery facility in AshevilleOften more cost-effective than trash disposalThe county also offers a popular “bag-for-bag” program at the convenience center: bring equal amounts of recycling and trash, and the trash disposal is free.Residents can learn more at hcrecycles.org or on the Henderson County website.Hurricane Helene RecoveryMarcus discusses the massive cleanup effort following Hurricane Helene, including debris removal and coordination with NCDOT. While road access was restored quickly in many areas, long-term repairs and recovery will continue for years.He highlights the behind-the-scenes work of public works and transportation crews who helped restore access across the county.Ecusta Trail UpdatesThe Ecusta Trail remains one of the county’s most popular projects. Phase One is open and heavily used. Phase Two is moving forward under a design-build partnership with NCDOT, with construction timelines potentially extending into 2028.Temporary closures may occur during upcoming roundabout construction near the trail.Roundabouts in Henderson CountyMarcus explains why engineers favor roundabouts:Move about 20% more traffic than signalized intersectionsReduce severe crashes and fatalitiesLower vehicle speeds and eliminate dangerous T-bone collisionsWhile they require more land and come with a learning curve, they’re considered significantly safer.Local FavoritesMarcus also shares a few Hendersonville favorites:West First Wood-FiredMountain DeliPosteroBiking and outdoor recreation in Pisgah and DuPontFrom waste management and recycling to trail development and transportation safety, this episode offers a practical look at how Henderson County infrastructure supports everyday life.As always — keep living local.

  6. 25

    Living Local with Lauren Wilkie

    Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate | Episode 23 SummarySpecial Guest: Lauren Wilkie, CEO of Safelight (Hendersonville, NC)In Episode 23 of Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate, Ed sits down with Lauren Wilkie, CEO of Safelight, a long-standing Hendersonville nonprofit providing life-changing support for people impacted by violence, abuse, and exploitation. Lauren shares how Safelight has grown over its 42-year history, including multiple mergers that expanded the organization into a full continuum of services for survivors across Western North Carolina.Lauren explains that Safelight’s work most often begins with domestic and family violence, followed by child abuse, sexual assault, elder abuse, and human trafficking. These are heavy topics, but the mission is clear: Safelight focuses on both prevention through education and direct support that helps people find safety, regain stability, and rebuild their lives.One of the biggest takeaways from the episode is how wide Safelight’s reach really is. Lauren shares that the organization has helped tens of thousands of people over the years, and served 1,312 clients last year alone, with most clients coming from Henderson County, while others travel in from surrounding areas seeking safety. Safelight also removes a major barrier that keeps many survivors trapped: they are one of the few shelters that allows pets on site, partnering with Blue Ridge Humane Society to provide an indoor kennel with space for dogs and cats. That means people don’t have to choose between leaving an unsafe situation and leaving a beloved pet behind.Lauren emphasizes that if someone needs help, the first step is simple: call Safelight’s 24/7 hotline. You don’t have to know which program fits, just reach out and they’ll guide you from there.24/7 Hotline: 828-693-3840Website: safelightfamily.orgThe episode also spotlights Safelight’s community-facing efforts, including their job training and empowerment programs. Ed and Lauren talk about Dandelion Cafe, Safelight’s downtown Hendersonville café known for its shrimp and grits, where individuals rebuild job skills and confidence through structured work experience during school hours. Safelight also operates a resale store (open Tuesday through Saturday) that accepts donations and helps stock clothing and household essentials for people arriving in crisis and those transitioning into new homes. Lauren mentions that Safelight keeps an updated wishlist on their website, often including high-need items like cleaning supplies, especially during cold and flu season.To wrap things up, Lauren shares local favorites for visitors, including Flat Rock Playhouse, DuPont State Forest for easy-access waterfalls, and popular restaurants like Shine and Hearth and Heron. She also gives a shout-out to Mini Batch Bakery for seasonal treats. The episode ends on a lighter note with the show’s “Finish the Lyric” game, where Lauren holds her own with classic rock favorites.If you’re looking for ways to support a trusted nonprofit in Hendersonville, Safelight offers multiple options: volunteering, donating goods, shopping the resale store, visiting Dandelion Cafe, attending events, or simply sharing resources with someone who may need help. For immediate support or to learn more, visit safelightfamily.org or call 828-693-3840.

  7. 24

    Living Local with Hunter Holbert with R & H Landscape

    In Episode 22 of Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate, Ed sits down with Hunter Holbert, the co-owner of R &H Landscape Development, a long-standing local landscaping company serving homeowners across Henderson County and Western North Carolina. Hunter shares the story behind the business, started by his father more than 30 years ago as a small “one truck and a helper” operation, and how Hunter stepped in after college to thoughtfully scale it into a modern company while still keeping the personal, small-business feel.Hunter explains what R &H Landscape Development actually does day to day. They’re a full-service residential landscaping company offering lawn maintenance, seasonal enhancements like mulching and pruning, and landscape installations such as patios, pavers, small retaining walls, and fire pits. Their work is split about 50/50 between maintenance and installation, with a focus on smaller, homeowner-friendly projects rather than large commercial builds. He also gives a helpful look at how pros source materials, noting that while big box stores have their place, larger projects often benefit from going straight to the supplier.The conversation takes a real turn as Hunter talks about Hurricane Helene and how it affected local properties and the landscaping industry. He describes clearing nearly 50 downed trees just to access their own shop, then jumping immediately into emergency cleanup. For weeks, the team prioritized digging out driveways, clearing mudslides, and cutting trees, postponing routine services to help the community recover. Even more than a year later, Hunter notes that restoration and cleanup are still ongoing in pockets across the area.One of the more unique parts of the episode is Hunter’s other life outside landscaping: he’s a master’s-level violinist (Appalachian State, violin performance) and still plays with groups like the Hendersonville Symphony, Brevard Philharmonic, and other regional orchestras, plus weddings and events. Ed even puts him through the show’s “Finish the Lyric” game, and Hunter absolutely nails it, proving that a violin player can know country lyrics better than most.They also touch on local favorites, with Hunter recommending Umi for sushi and Binion’s for a classic Hendersonville meal. For visitors, he suggests enjoying downtown Hendersonville and a scenic drive on the Blue Ridge Parkway, while offering a grounded perspective on post-storm forest cleanup. His take: beyond safety and access needs, fallen trees can actually support a healthy forest ecosystem over time.To learn more or request an estimate, Hunter shares the best ways to connect:Website: https://rhlandscapes.com/Office phone/text: 828-606-3738Or simply search R &H Landscape Development on Google.If you’re looking for a trusted Hendersonville landscaping company for maintenance, patios, fire pits, or storm cleanup, this episode is a great introduction to a local business that’s built on relationships, craftsmanship, and community-first service.

  8. 23

    Living Local with Craig & Karen Verm

    Special Guests: Craig and Karen Verm, Owners of the Bed and Breakfast on Tiffany Hill in Mills River, NCIn Episode 21 of Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate, Ed welcomes a husband and wife duo with a one of a kind story: Craig and Karen Verm, the owners of the Bed and Breakfast on Tiffany Hill in Mills River, North Carolina. What makes this episode stand out is how Tiffany Hill blends luxury lodging, incredible breakfasts, and live music into an experience guests don’t forget, and often come back for again and again.Craig and Karen share how their background as professional classical musicians shaped what Tiffany Hill is today. Craig sang opera around the world, Karen built a career as a pianist and opera coach in academia, and after years of being pulled in different directions, they felt called into something completely different: hospitality. After discovering Tiffany Hill was for sale, they took the leap and reopened the inn on May 1, 2024, stepping into a property that was purpose-built in 2009 specifically as a bed and breakfast, a rare find in the B&B world. Guests immediately notice the difference: clean, modern, comfortable, and not your typical “old house chopped into rooms” vibe.A signature highlight at Tiffany Hill is breakfast. Every morning features a three-course breakfast including fruit, a main entree, and yes, dessert, followed by what their guests named “The Fourth Course”: a live musical moment after breakfast. It might be classics like Moon River or other easy listening favorites, but the point is simple: you’re on vacation, so why not leave breakfast with music and a smile.Beyond hosting overnight guests, Craig and Karen are building Tiffany Hill into a community hub in Mills River. They host concerts, workshops, baby showers, small weddings, and seasonal events, including multiple Christmas concerts each year. They also launched a meaningful annual event called the Freedom Dinner, raising tens of thousands of dollars for Atlas Free to fight human trafficking, with donated food, music, and community support. Their goal is bigger than tourism: they want Tiffany Hill to be a place where people connect and community grows.The episode also explores what visitors can do nearby. Tiffany Hill is close to Pisgah, DuPont, Brevard, Hendersonville, Sierra Nevada, and the Asheville airport, giving guests the best of both worlds: peaceful, wooded seclusion with quick access to food, breweries, hiking, waterfalls, and local attractions. Craig and Karen also share favorite local restaurants like Root and Bone (just minutes away), Postero, Shine, Hearth and Heron, plus Brevard favorites like The Wild Morel and Bracken Mountain Bakery.Looking ahead, they’re planning to expand with a glamping experience on their five-acre property, bringing breakfast in a picnic basket for guests who want the woods without giving up comfort.To learn more, book a stay, or see upcoming events, visit Tiffany-Hill.com or call 828-290-6080. If you’re searching for a Mills River bed and breakfast, a romantic getaway near Hendersonville and Brevard, or a unique B&B experience with live music and community events, this episode is a must-listen.

  9. 22

    Living Local with Mike Morgan

    In this episode of Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate, Ed sits down with Mike Morgan, the Chief Communications Officer for Henderson County, to talk about what really happens behind the scenes when a county is keeping 120,000+ residents informed, especially during major events like Hurricane Helene.Mike shares his unique path to county government, including a long run in local media as a former WLOS sports anchor, years in radio, and time in banking and mortgages before landing what he calls his “perfect fit” role with Henderson County. With decades of broadcasting experience, Mike brings a storyteller’s approach to public communication, focusing on sharing clear information and highlighting the positive work happening across the county.Ed and Mike dig into how Henderson County communicates with residents today, including a growing three-person communications team that manages county updates, social media strategy, public information, and livestreamed board meetings. Mike talks about how the county’s social reach exploded during Helene, hitting millions, and how that visibility helped fuel community support and supply efforts when it mattered most. He also explains how disaster communication forced the county to go old-school at times, printing updates and physically delivering them to fire stations when power and service were down.One of the biggest takeaways: Henderson County is actively reviewing what worked during Helene and what needs improvement. Mike highlights new efforts to better reach non-English speaking communities through a program connected to UNC Chapel Hill, along with expanded social channels for departments like Parks & Rec, the Health Department, EMS, the Library, and Emergency Management.The episode also covers some exciting local development, including the future of the Ecusta Trail and the next phase with a highly anticipated bridge that’s expected to become a picture-perfect landmark. Mike also shares details on a major new sports project at Berkeley Park, featuring four full-size FIFA soccer fields, plus tennis courts, a softball field, and updates to the stadium space that supports local schools and events. The goal is to bring in bigger tournaments, boost tourism, and support local businesses through increased visitor traffic.Keeping it light, Ed throws Mike into the show’s “Finish the Lyrics” segment, and Mike delivers, nailing classic rock favorites and proving he’s still got that radio energy.If you want a clearer picture of what Henderson County is doing, what’s changing since Helene, and what big projects are coming next, this episode is packed with local insight and community updates. To find county resources or contact Mike, search Henderson County NC online and visit the county communications team page.

  10. 21

    Living Local with Natalie Carter

    In Episode 19 of Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate, Ed sits down with Natalie Carter of Driven Construction, a husband and wife construction team that’s been building and improving homes for over 13 years across Western North Carolina and beyond. Natalie shares how she went from earning a business degree and working in the manufactured/modular home world to helping launch Driven Construction with her husband Brent, shifting from “office life” to hands-on work in the field.Natalie explains what makes Driven stand out: they’re built for variety. From smaller residential projects to larger jobs, they tackle a wide range of construction needs and rely heavily on word-of-mouth referrals instead of advertising, which says a lot about their reputation. While they serve plenty of clients in Asheville, Hendersonville, and surrounding areas, their work has also stretched into South Carolina, Tennessee, and even as far as Austin, Texas.The episode also touches on Hurricane Helene’s impact and what recovery has looked like from a contractor’s perspective. Natalie shares how four major projects were located in some of the hardest-hit areas, where missing roads, downed trees, and destroyed bridges brought work to a standstill. Even a year and a half later, she notes that places like Swannanoa and Black Mountain still show visible damage, and the long road to full recovery is far from over.Keeping it local and fun, Ed and Natalie trade recommendations for where to eat in the Asheville and Hendersonville area, including Post 25, Hannah Flanagan’s, and favorite brunch stops like Seasons at Highland Lake, Arabella’s, Tupelo Honey, First Watch, and Red Stag Grill. There’s also a lighthearted “finish the lyric” segment that turns into a country-music win, plus a quick talk on local favorites like the Biltmore Estate, Grove Park Inn, the Blue Ridge Parkway, and even Topgolf trips to Greenville.To connect with Natalie and Driven Construction, Ed points listeners to their website: drivenconstruction.co (yes, .co, not .com).If you’re looking for a trusted construction company in Western North Carolina, or you want a real-world look at how rebuilding continues after Helene, this episode is packed with local insight, personality, and practical takeaways.

  11. 20

    Living Local with Amanda Ivey

    Special Guest: Amanda Ivey, Brand Ambassador and Account Executive with OptimumEd sits down with Amanda Ivey from Optimum for a conversation that’s equal parts helpful, local, and surprisingly fun for a topic like internet and phone service. Amanda explains her role as Optimum’s brand ambassador and account executive, basically the hometown person you can actually reach when you need help with internet, TV, mobile, or home phone. With nearly a decade in telecom, she’s not just handing out brochures, she can troubleshoot, guide customers through options, and even meet people where they’re at, including helping seniors who don’t want to fight through a call center.Amanda shares what Optimum looks like in the community: tents at local festivals, chamber ribbon cuttings, giveaways at events like the Apple Festival and Garden Jubilee, and lots of face time with residents. She talks about the fan-favorite swag (chargers win, every time) and how those conversations open the door to explaining Optimum’s service options, including flexible internet speeds, streaming-friendly plans, and mobile pricing that can seriously cut down a typical phone bill.Ed and Amanda also touch on how Optimum responded after the hurricane. Amanda describes boots-on-the-ground support, charging stations, and Wi-Fi setups for the public when people were without power and service, plus the larger rebuilding work still happening in areas where lines and equipment were heavily damaged.The episode wraps with a few local favorites and fun rapid-fire topics: Amanda’s go-to restaurants include Dandelions (she says the shrimp and grits are the best anywhere), Mezzaluna, and Shine. For things to do, she points visitors to the Ecusta Trail and DuPont for hiking and waterfalls. And when roundabouts come up, she’s cautiously in favor, as long as everyone else remembers it’s not a four-way stop.Before signing off, Amanda shares the big takeaway: if you’re in the area and want Optimum service or support, you can skip the call center and reach her directly by call or text at 828-606-7598.

  12. 19

    Living Local with Fair Nabors Waggoner

    Living Local with Frisbee Real EstateSpecial Guest: Fair Nabors Waggoner, City President at United Community Bank in Hendersonville NCEd welcomes Fair Nabors Waggoner from United Community Bank, and it quickly turns into one of those conversations that feels like a mix of local insider tips, big-picture market talk, and real community pride. Fair, who serves as City President and the lead commercial lender in Henderson County, breaks down what she actually does day to day. In short, she wears a lot of hats and loves it. From building relationships to connecting people with the right lending experts, she’s the “go get it and bring it back” person who helps make things happen.They dig into what she’s seeing in Henderson County’s commercial market, including how high interest rates slowed things down, but how activity is already picking back up as rates come down. Fair highlights the growth and opportunity along the Ecusta Trail corridor, plus the steady commercial momentum tied to quality of life, tourism, and business-friendly development across North Carolina.The conversation takes a fun local turn as Fair talks about what makes Henderson County special beyond real estate: agritourism, apple season traffic on Highway 64, and how orchards and farms have adapted with experiences that draw visitors from all over, especially South Carolina. She also shines a spotlight on an often overlooked economic driver: summer camps. Fair explains how camps quietly fill hotels, pack restaurants, boost local attractions, and even influence people to retire or start businesses here years later.To wrap it up, Fair shares her go-to spots to eat like Orr’s Family Restaurant, Seasons at Highland Lake Inn, and the always-popular Shine. She also gives visitors ideas for what to do, from hiking and wineries to checking out how the area has evolved while still keeping that classic small-town charm.And yes, they hit the important stuff too: roundabouts. Fair loves them… when people actually know how to use them.If you want a better feel for Henderson County’s growth, local lifestyle, and what’s coming next, this episode delivers. Keep living local.

  13. 18

    Living Local with Madison Owenby

    Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate | Night to Shine Hendersonville NC 2026 with Madison OwenbyIn this heartfelt and community focused episode of Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate, host Ed Frisbee sits down with special guest Madison Owenby, local Realtor and one of the lead organizers behind Night to Shine Hendersonville, North Carolina, happening February 13, 2026.Madison shares the powerful mission of Night to Shine, a global event sponsored by the Tim Tebow Foundation that provides a prom night experience for individuals ages 14 and up with special needs. For the first time ever, Hendersonville will host this unforgettable evening at Crosswalk Ministries at First Baptist Church in downtown Hendersonville. Every guest is celebrated like royalty with formal attire, crowns, a red carpet entrance, dancing, food, and an atmosphere built entirely around dignity, joy, and belonging.This episode dives into why bringing Night to Shine to Hendersonville matters. After learning that nearby events had to turn away dozens of participants due to capacity, Madison and a group of passionate local leaders stepped up so no one would be turned away. The goal for 2026 is to serve 150 honored guests, which means the event also needs 300 to 400 volunteers, including one on one buddies, makeup and shoeshine teams, food service, and caregiver respite support.Madison also shares her personal connection to the special needs community through her daughter’s medical journey and how that experience ignited a deeper passion for advocacy, inclusion, and awareness across Western North Carolina.Beyond Night to Shine, Ed and Madison talk all things Hendersonville life and real estate. From why young families are choosing to move to the area, to favorite downtown restaurants, events like the Apple Festival and Christmas parade, and what the local housing market looks like heading into the future, this conversation captures what it truly means to live local.If you are looking to:Volunteer in Hendersonville NCSupport special needs events in Western North CarolinaLearn about Night to Shine 2026Discover what makes Hendersonville such a special place to liveThis episode is for you.How to Get Involved:Search “Night to Shine Hendersonville North Carolina” on Facebook to volunteer, register as a participant, or learn how to donate formal wear like dresses, suits, shoes, and accessories.As always, thanks for listening. And from all of us at Frisbee Real Estate, keep living local.

  14. 17

    Living Local with Laura Rice

    Episode Summary: Living Local with Frisbee Real EstateSpecial Guest: Laura Rice, Executive Director, Friends of the Ecusta TrailIn this episode of Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate, Ed sits down with Laura Rice, the first full time Executive Director of Friends of the Ecusta Trail, to talk about one of the most exciting community projects happening in Western North Carolina.Laura shares the story behind the Ecusta Trail, a vision that began back in 2009 with local leaders from Henderson and Transylvania Counties working to transform an unused rail line into a multi use trail. Fast forward fifteen years, and that vision is becoming reality. The first six mile stretch opened in July, running from Main Street in Hendersonville to Horseshoe, and it is already seeing incredible daily use from walkers, runners, cyclists, families, and visitors from out of town.The conversation covers what it has taken to get the trail off the ground, how multiple counties, cities, volunteers, and funding partners came together, and what is next. Laura explains that an additional five miles in Henderson County and eight miles in Transylvania County are currently in design, with a target completion date of late 2027, eventually creating a continuous connection from Hendersonville to Brevard.Ed and Laura also dive into how the trail is maintained, how funding works through a mix of federal and state grants along with local fundraising, and how the Friends of the Ecusta Trail nonprofit fills important gaps by supporting amenities like benches, signage, and trail features that make the experience even better.Listeners will learn how to get involved through volunteering, donating, or becoming a Trail Ambassador, as well as how to stay up to date through the Ecusta Trail newsletter and website. Laura also shares her favorite trail adjacent stops for coffee, food, and local flavor, along with must see outdoor spots in the area like Jump Off Rock, DuPont State Forest, and the Carl Sandburg Home.The episode wraps with a preview of an upcoming community wide trail event scheduled for April 19, inviting everyone to walk, stroll, roll, or ride in support of the trail.This episode is a great listen for anyone who loves the outdoors, cares about community driven projects, or wants to understand why the Ecusta Trail is already becoming a game changer for the region.Learn more at ecustatrail.org and keep living local.

  15. 16

    Living Local with David Nicholson

    In this episode, Ed sits down with longtime Henderson County leader David Nicholson for a fun and thoughtful look at local history, community growth, and a few great stories from his decades of public service. David reflects on his career in county finance and his years as County Manager, sharing memories from major projects like the detention center, human services building, and renovations to the historic courthouse.He also talks about one unforgettable day hosting President George H.W. Bush during the Apple Festival, complete with motorcades, weather troubles, and a surprise trip to Spartanburg’s runway beside Air Force One.The conversation takes a lighthearted turn as David shares his love for Corvettes, local drives with the Apple Country Corvette Club, and the simple joy of a good home-cooked meal. He touches on area favorites like Pisgah Forest, 12 Bones, Luna, and Flat Rock Playhouse, while offering a laid-back look at growth across Henderson County and how the community has evolved since the seventies.It’s a warm, story-filled episode with plenty of local flavor and a guest who has seen Henderson County from every angle.Thanks for tuning in — and keep living local.

  16. 15

    Living Local with Allie Beck with Ellaberry Llama Farm

    In this episode of Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate, Ed sits down with Allie Beck, co owner of Ellaberry Llama Farm, a first generation llama farm on a sixth generation apple farm in Edneyville near Hendersonville, North Carolina. Allie shares how a childhood love for one special llama turned into a full time agritourism business that now includes 36 llamas and 3 alpacas. She explains what an orchard hike looks like, why you walk llamas instead of ride them, how they are used as guard animals, the difference between llamas and alpacas, and how their herd once ran a black bear up a tree.You will also hear how Ellaberry Llama Farm fits into the growth of agritourism in Hendersonville and Edneyville, why the area has become such a draw for visitors, and a few of Allie’s favorite local spots to eat and explore. Allie breaks down their by appointment only farm tours, llama led orchard hikes, birthday parties, and wedding appearances, plus two new holiday events: the Fa La La Llama Farm Tour and a Christmas Open Farm with photos, obstacle courses, llamas in costume, and tractor rides through a lighted apple orchard. If you are looking for a unique Western North Carolina experience for your family, guests, or next event, this episode is packed with ideas.Learn more or book a visit at: ellaberryllamafarm.com

  17. 14

    Happy Thanksgiving!

    Thank you for being a part of our family at Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate. Happy Thanksgiving my family to yours

  18. 13

    Living Local with Lynn Staggs with The Storehouse

    Episode 12 with Lynn Staggs of The StorehouseIn this episode of Living Local, Ed Frisbee sits down with Lynn Staggs, founder and director of The Storehouse in Hendersonville, North Carolina. Lynn shares the story behind the ministry’s 25 years of serving Henderson County through year-round food support, coats and blankets, and the well known Blessings in Boxes Christmas program. She opens up about the growing need across the community, how rising housing costs are pushing workers out of the county, and why The Storehouse continues to see record numbers of families needing help.Lynn explains how the food pantry operates, where their supplies come from, and how volunteers and donors keep the shelves stocked. She also highlights their senior delivery routes, their partnerships with local schools, churches, businesses, and the massive Christmas effort that serves thousands of children each year. The episode also gives a first look at their upcoming move to a new facility designed to better serve the community and act as a resource during future emergencies.Listeners will learn how to support The Storehouse through donations, sponsoring a child for Christmas, volunteering, and spreading the word. The conversation wraps up with Lynn’s favorite Hendersonville spots, local eats, and hidden mountain gems.This episode is a heartfelt look at community care in action and a reminder of how much impact a local nonprofit can have when people pitch in together.

  19. 12

    Living Local with Jared Ownbey with Ownbey Land Surveying

    In this episode, Ed sits down with Jared Ownbey of Ownbey Land Surveying for a deep dive into a field most folks only think about when they have to: surveying. Jared breaks down what his team does every day, from traditional boundary and topographic surveys to the high-tech world of bathymetric mapping using a remote-controlled survey boat. Yes, they literally map lake bottoms.Jared shares stories from the field, including everything from handling massive 500-acre tracts to piecing together tiny parcels washed out by flooding. He explains why gaps and overlaps happen on paper, how surveyors track down missing corners, and why neighbors can be scarier than wildlife. You’ll hear about deer discoveries, copperheads, adventurous jobs in Chimney Rock, and the occasional misunderstanding when a survey crew shows up in someone’s backyard.The conversation shifts to local life as Jared talks about his go-to food spots like Postero, Shine, and Hot Dog World. He also shares favorite activities around the area, including mountain biking at Kanuga, grabbing apples from Mountain Fresh Orchards, and riding the Ecusta Trail on his lunch breaks.Jared wraps up with how folks can reach him if they need expert surveying help — and Ed hints that a part two might be in the future.A fun, informative episode that shines a light on a trade most people don’t understand but every property owner depends on. Tune in and keep living local.

  20. 11

    Living Local with Tommy Blackwell with AmeriLife

    Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate | Episode 10 with Tommy Blackwell of AmeriLifeIn this episode, Ed sits down with longtime Hendersonville local Tommy Blackwell from AmeriLife of Asheville. Tommy breaks down what retirees and pre-retirees need to know about Social Security planning, Medicare coverage, and the annual enrollment periods that confuse just about everyone. He explains how AmeriLife works with dozens of insurance carriers to match people with the plans that fit their doctors, prescriptions, and budget.Tommy shares why fall is their busiest season, what’s changing for Henderson County residents this year, and why reviewing your plan annually can save you from big surprises at the pharmacy counter. He also gives out his direct contact info for anyone who needs guidance with Medicare, prescription drug plans, Medicare Advantage, supplements, or Social Security timing.The conversation drifts into Hendersonville history, local growth, favorite restaurants, apple-country traditions, and Tommy’s travel highlights from his years of award-winning work in the insurance world. If you’re curious about Medicare or you just enjoy hearing stories from a true Hendersonville native, this episode hits both.

  21. 10

    Living Local with Carolyn Swanner with United Community Bank

    In this episode, Ed sits down with longtime Hendersonville mortgage pro Carolyn Swanner from United Community Bank. Carolyn shares her story of growing up local, building a 55 year career in banking, and why working with someone who knows the community inside and out makes all the difference for homebuyers.She breaks down how lending has changed, why online rates can be misleading, and what makes a true local lender valuable from start to finish. Carolyn talks about her hands on approach, the importance of solid pre qualification, how she creates income solutions for retirees, and the unique loan options her team can offer that many buyers never hear about.Ed and Carolyn also chat about life in Hendersonville, favorite local food spots, the impact of the Ecusta Trail, and why the area attracts so many new residents each year.Whether you’re buying, selling, or just love learning about the community, this episode is full of practical insight and fun local flavor.

  22. 9

    Living Local with Jennifer Balkcom with Alcova Mortgage

    In this episode of Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate, host Ed Frisbee sits down with Jennifer Balkcom, a Hendersonville native and mortgage expert with Alcova Mortgage. Jennifer shares her journey from banking and finance—starting as a teller in 1997—to finding her true calling in the mortgage industry. She talks about the value of community, her deep family roots in Henderson County, and the inspiration behind her work both in business and public service.Listeners will learn about Jennifer’s path to becoming a North Carolina State Representative, how she balances her time between Raleigh and her hometown, and her efforts to secure funding for flood mitigation, schools, and local farmers. The conversation also highlights Hendersonville favorites like Pop’s Diner, Binion’s, and Mike’s on Main, plus must-visit local attractions including Point Lookout Vineyard and the region’s family-owned apple orchards.Jennifer also discusses her family’s newest venture—The Best Dumpster Company—and how she and her husband continue to serve their community through entrepreneurship. This heartfelt episode blends local history, small-town pride, and practical advice on home financing, making it a must-listen for anyone who loves Western North Carolina.Keywords: Hendersonville NC podcast, Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate, Alcova Mortgage, Jennifer Balkcom, Ed Frisbee, North Carolina State Representative, mortgage lending, Hendersonville businesses, Western North Carolina lifestyle, local community, real estate podcast, Henderson County.

  23. 8

    Living Local with Shepherd Benson of United Contracting & Roofing

    Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate – Episode 7: Special Guest Shepherd Benson with United Contracting & RoofingIn this episode, Ed Frisbee sits down with Shepherd Benson from United Contracting & Roofing, serving Greenville, Asheville, Hendersonville, and North Georgia. They talk about what homeowners should know before replacing a roof, how to tell when it’s time for an inspection, and why roofing is one of the most important investments in your home. Shepherd shares his path from working at Chick-fil-A to construction sales, his passion for helping people, and what makes this region such a great place to live.The conversation also dives into local favorites—from Campfire Grill and White Duck Taco to Brooks Tavern—plus outdoor spots like DuPont, Pisgah, and the Blue Ridge Parkway. It’s a relaxed, insightful chat about homes, community, faith, and life in Western North Carolina and the Upstate.📞 Contact Shepherd: 864-660-3529 | [email protected]🏡 Learn more about Living Local with Frisbee Real EstateKeywords: roofing tips, home improvement, Hendersonville NC, Greenville SC, Asheville homes, United Contracting & Roofing, real estate podcast, local business spotlight, Western North Carolina living

  24. 7

    Living Local with Kelly Baker of PuroClean South Asheville

    🎙️ Episode 6 – “The Paramedics of Property Damage” with Kelly Baker of PuroClean South AshevilleIn this episode of Living Local with Ed Frisbee, we sit down with Kelly Baker, Business Development Manager and partner at PuroClean of South Asheville — the team known as the paramedics of property damage. Kelly shares how her franchise helps homeowners and businesses recover from water, fire, mold, and biohazard damage, available 24/7 emergency response.We dive into:What PuroClean does and how they’re different from larger national chains like ServProHow their local South Asheville team gets to homeowners within two hours, even at midnightKelly’s fascinating career path — from NASCAR marketing to automotive advertising to restorationThe passion behind helping families through disasters with empathy and urgencyFavorite Asheville restaurants, food trucks, and hidden gems in Mills River and High VistaPuroClean’s community commitment and opportunities for those who want meaningful local workWhether you’re a homeowner, real estate agent, or just love local business stories, you’ll enjoy this down-to-earth conversation packed with energy, heart, and great local insight.📍 Guest: Kelly Baker – PuroClean South Asheville🌐 Website: puroclean.com (Search South Asheville)📞 Call: 828-974-8408🎧 Tune in to learn: Why Kelly calls PuroClean the “paramedics of property damage” and how her team is helping Asheville recover — one home at a time.

  25. 6

    Living Local with Mario Yngerto

    🎙️ Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate — Episode 5: “From Miami to the Mountains with Financial Advisor Mario Yngerto”In this episode of Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate, host Ed Frisbee sits down with Mario Yngerto, a seasoned financial advisor and registered investment advisor (RIA) who recently relocated from Miami, Florida to Fairview, North Carolina. Mario shares his story of falling in love with the Blue Ridge Mountains and embracing the Hendersonville–Laurel Park area’s relaxed lifestyle, scenic beauty, and close-knit community.The two discuss Mario’s latest real estate development project in Summersby Park, where he and a longtime friend are building four luxury mountain-view homes averaging 3,500+ sq. ft., priced around $1.4M–$1.6M. Mario also reflects on decades in financial services — navigating market cycles since 1987 — and offers insights into wealth management, retirement planning, and the importance of being prepared for market corrections.Beyond business, Ed and Mario dive into local favorites — from top Asheville and Hendersonville restaurants like Cúrate, Ruth’s Chris, and Mezzaluna, to breweries such as Hillman’s, Burial, and Sierra Nevada. Mario also highlights his passion for hiking, especially along the Blue Ridge Parkway and Catawba Falls, and shares why he believes this area is perfect for anyone seeking a slower pace, mountain living, and a lower cost of living compared to big cities.👉 Guest Website: GenesisWealthManagement.com👉 Host: Ed Frisbee, Frisbee Real Estate — “Keep Living Local.”🧭 SEO KeywordsLiving Local with Frisbee Real Estate, Hendersonville real estate podcast, Laurel Park new homes, Summersby Park homes, North Carolina mountain living, Asheville relocation, financial advisor Mario Yngerto, Genesis Wealth Management, Fairview NC real estate, Hendersonville luxury homes, moving from Miami to North Carolina, Hendersonville restaurants, Asheville breweries, Blue Ridge hiking, Ed Frisbee Realtor.

  26. 5

    Living Local with Ian McKay

    In this episode, Ed Frisbee sits down with Ian McKay, owner of Strong Hand Fit in Hendersonville, North Carolina, to talk about health, fitness, discipline, and community. Ian shares his inspiring journey from powerlifting and Navy service to building a thriving local fitness business dedicated to helping people live stronger, healthier lives.They discuss:Ian’s 40-pound weight loss journey and how he overcame stress eatingThe story behind his Navy nickname “Big Show”Life aboard the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower and his connection to the Captain Phillips rescue missionTransitioning from strength training to overall wellness and agilityHis plans for Strong Hand Fit’s new 24/7 gym and wellness center, featuring cold plunges, saunas, smoothie bar, and recovery spacesFavorite local Hendersonville restaurants for pizza, burgers, and steakHow he’s helping locals stay strong — body, mind, and spiritThis episode captures the essence of Living Local — real conversations with people who are strengthening Western North Carolina through passion, perseverance, and purpose.Keywords: Hendersonville NC, Strong Hand Fit, Ian McKay, fitness podcast, Hendersonville gym, North Carolina fitness, local business stories, wellness center, powerlifting, Navy veteran, Ed Frisbee, Living Local podcast, real estate and community, small business Hendersonville, Strong Hand Fitness.

  27. 4

    Living Local with Will Roper Roper Insurance

    🎙️ Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate — Episode 3: Will Roper of Roper Insurance & Bake Me HouseIn this episode of Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate, host Ed Frisbee sits down with Will Roper, lifelong Hendersonville native and co-owner of Roper Insurance Services. Will shares his journey from college football player to small business owner — including how returning home to the mountains of Western North Carolina inspired him to grow his family’s insurance agency and invest in his community.Will talks about what makes Hendersonville such a special place to live — from its vibrant Main Street and outdoor recreation to its thriving local businesses. He dives into his love of mountain biking, pickleball, and the tight-knit community that keeps Hendersonville moving.Listeners also get a sweet bonus: the story behind Bake Me House, the Asian-style bakery founded by Will’s wife, Emily. Discover what makes her desserts so unique — from Thai tea cake and matcha cheesecake to fan-favorite boba drinks.Whether you’re a local resident, a small business owner, or someone dreaming about life in the North Carolina mountains, this episode delivers insight, laughter, and a true taste of Living Local.Highlights:Will’s path from college football to local business ownerGrowing Roper Insurance into a full-service agencyWhy Hendersonville attracts so many new residentsTop local spots for biking, dining, and coffeeThe story behind Bake Me House bakery on Church StreetConnect with Our Guests:🏡 Roper Insurance Services — roperinsuranceservices.com🍰 Bake Me House — Follow on Facebook @BakeMeHouse

  28. 3

    Living Local with Tristan Patterson of Allora

    Episode 2 – Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate: Tristan Patterson of Allora Bed and Breakfast, Hendersonville NCIn this episode, host Ed Frisbee sits down with Tristan Patterson, owner of Allora Bed and Breakfast in Hendersonville, North Carolina. Tristan and his wife built their beautiful three-room B&B completely by hand, creating a warm and welcoming space just steps away from downtown Hendersonville.Tristan shares:How a trip to Italy inspired the name AlloraWhat it was like to build a home and business from the ground upHis favorite Hendersonville restaurants and local coffee shopsWhat makes Hendersonville such a special place to live, work, and visitFrom homemade croissants and cozy stays to the growing small business scene in Western North Carolina, this episode captures what Living Local is all about — community, connection, and celebrating life in Hendersonville, NC.🎧 Tune in and hear why Allora is more than just a place to stay — it’s the start of your story in the mountains of North Carolina.

  29. 2

    Living Local with Daniel Andreotta

    🎙️ What happens when a lifelong Hendersonville native, former County Commissioner, and fiduciary advisor talk community, growth, and resilience?In this debut episode of Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate, host Ed Frisbee welcomes Daniel Andreotta of Integrity Financial Group. Hear how Daniel built his business “brick by brick,” serves his community, and rebuilt after Hurricane Helene.From Hendersonville’s growth and small-business success to real-world financial tips and local history, this conversation is packed with insight, integrity, and hometown pride.🔑 Keywords: Hendersonville NC podcast, Integrity Financial Group, fiduciary advisor, Hurricane Helene recovery, Western North Carolina, Ed Frisbee Real Estate, community spotlight, Daniel Andreotta.Discover Hendersonville’s growth, community spirit, and resilience with Daniel Andreotta of Integrity Financial Group on Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate.

  30. 1

    Welcome to Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate

    Discover Western North Carolina like never before! In this debut trailer of Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate, we share what this podcast is all about—helping you explore local communities, hear inspiring stories, and get practical real estate insights. Whether you’re moving to the area, considering selling, or simply love calling WNC home, this show is for you. Join us as we connect you with the people, places, and possibilities that make living here special.👉 Hit follow so you don’t miss our first full episode!

Type above to search every episode's transcript for a word or phrase. Matches are scoped to this podcast.

Searching…

No matches for "" in this podcast's transcripts.

Showing of matches

No topics indexed yet for this podcast.

Loading reviews...

ABOUT THIS SHOW

Welcome to Living Local with Frisbee Real Estate — where we connect neighbors, businesses, and stories, because home is more than four walls. Hosted by Ed Frisbee of Frisbee Real Estate, this podcast highlights the people and places that make Hendersonville, Flat Rock, Fletcher, Asheville, and greater Western North Carolina such a special place to call home. Each episode features local business owners, community leaders, and hidden gems, giving you an authentic look at life in the Blue Ridge. Whether you’re a longtime resident or considering making this area your home, join us as we explore what it truly means to live local in WNC.

HOSTED BY

Ed Frisbee — Frisbee Real Estate

URL copied to clipboard!