Love for the Unseen God

Episode 16 - Recorded 6/18/2025 A reflection on what it means to truly see what's already present—God's movement, the quiet unfolding of miracles, and the subtle shifts of awareness that only become clear when the heart opens. The conversation travels through infinity, consciousness, and the limits of perception, revealing how often the mind tries to grasp what only the heart can recognize. Stories of healing, surrender, and unexpected clarity become a lens for understanding prayer in a deeper way: how easily fear disguises itself as devotion, and how truth creates the space where grace can actually reach us. Along the way, themes of testimony, discernment, and the lifelong process of awakening weave together into a reminder that spiritual insight doesn't arrive all at once—it grows, accumulates, and slowly reveals the sacred that has been right in front of us the whole time.

Episode 15 - Recorded 06/12/2025 Welcome to a conversation about how the mind's search gives way to the heart's knowing. Like the ancient and holy ritual of immersion in the mikveh, the pool where living water enters only when a single brick is removed, this dialogue explores how we learn to remove the brick within the heart, opening it as a vessel ready to be filled once its quiet barriers are set aside. From questions about "settled science" to stories of baptism, discernment, and the fear of being unworthy, the conversation follows the movement from thought into presence. It asks what it means to know "in your knower," to listen with the body, and to recognize those rare moments when time dissolves, when you enter blessed time: the moment when Sabbath ceases to be a day and becomes a state of being, when time itself disappears in the presence of God and there is love beyond measure.

Episode 14 - Recorded 06/08/2025 The story of leaving the garden never really ended... it just changed forms. We still reach for knowledge over wisdom, control over communion, self-importance over surrender. This conversation moves through the many ways that fall continues: in science, in religion, in our own restless minds. Yet through the inversion runs a thread of mercy, and the possibility that even our confusion is the path back home. Beneath the calm surface of life, unseen currents shape everything we believe we control. This conversation traces those hidden movements—how the human mind turns faith into fear, science into certainty, and love into something to earn.  

Episode 13 - Recorded 05/25/2025 This episode moves from the fading voice of conscience to the rediscovery of something higher within everyday life. It reflects on how a culture that replaces God with ego and distraction leaves the soul searching for meaning, and how a simple inner directive — "Go make the coffee" — can become a doorway back to peace. Through stories of silence, humility, the conversation explores the difference between believing in the sacred and living it. What begins as a discussion of the mind's need for moral grounding unfolds into a meditation on awe, presence, and the quiet holiness hidden in daily acts: the passion of ordinary living. It's a conversation about finding God in the silence, and about learning that the passion of spiritual life may be nothing other than the passion of living itself.

Episode 12 - Recorded 5/21/2025 This conversation explores what it means to hear God not in thunder or fire, but in the quiet voice within.  How does one move from belief as a mental construct to faith as a living experience of the heart. Topics explored range from surrender, humility, and the practice of "getting out of your own way," to how letting go of control opens space for divine presence to move. There are stories of pain, awakening, and unexpected grace, glimpsing how even suffering can become a doorway to peace. There is a gentle invitation to listen to the whisper that has been speaking all along.

Episode 11 - Recorded 5/15/2025 Have you experienced a heart-based knowing that reveals truth beyond the mind's reach? This discussion attempts to touch into this question and more. For example, what might the purpose of stopping one's mind actually be? What might it mean to share faith without proselytizing? Without demanding another's experience of God be just like yours? There is discussion around how true spiritual transformation comes not from argument but from the quiet radiance of peace and love. Geoff tells a story of a missionary who spent decades in India without a single conversion, illustrating that one's role is, at most, to "introduce" others to God, not to sell Him. There is exploration on the topics of wealth, intention, energy, and the ways people sense authenticity. The episode concludes with a reflection on fear-based religion, particularly the invention of eternal hell, and a call back to the mystics' experience of love as the ultimate truth.

Episode 10 - Recorded 4/30/2025   This discussion explores one of life's hardest questions: Why does a loving God allow suffering? From Job's ancient trials to the temptations of Jesus on the temple, the problem of evil, the role of free will, and how suffering becomes a test of faith. Along the way, they reflect on mindfulness, miracles, and Revelation as a coded message of hope challenging the idea that we live in hell, and instead pointing toward discernment, love, and resilience.

Episode 9 - Recorded 4/30/2025 Prayer is more than words, it's a way of living. This chat explores how constant prayer shows up in everyday life, from practicing patience in traffic to resisting frustration with scam calls. Along the way, the conversation turns to the strangeness of Revelation, the story of Balaam, and the warnings to the Nicolaitans. Are angels and demons too unbelievable for modern minds, or is dismissing them part of the deception? At the heart of it all is the question of discernment: how do we know what God is asking, and do we trust we have the strength to do it? Confidence grows step by step, and the refining work of prayer reminds us that God doesn't wait for perfect before moving in our lives.

Episode 8 - Recorded 4/23/2025 This talk attempts to trace the mystery of God's fire and light, how resistance creates heat, how Christ's eyes of fire in Revelation burn away what cannot last, and how love flows when we stop resisting. Along the way, they explore Paul's possibly misunderstood words on "submission," the difference between Hebrew's concrete poetry and Greek abstraction, and how our language has shaped both faith and confusion. They also reflect on A.T. Still and the birth of osteopathy, the innate wisdom of the body, and the danger of losing faith and healing to pure reductionism. Topics arise like Henrietta Lacks, and the humility to admit what we don't know, wrestling with theodicy, faulty assumptions about suffering, and the truth that the world is wonderful and made terrible only by human choices. The conversation keeps circling back to love as light: unseen, yet the very thing that lets us see. Healing isn't something we send but something we rest in, letting God's presence do what only it can.

Episode 7 - Recorded 4/23/2025 Miracles aren't really about healing. They're about faith. In this episode, Josh and Geoff talk about how God uses signs to shape hearts, build trust, and draw people closer to Him. They explore the reality of modern slavery and human trafficking, the way wealth and consumption create illusions of freedom, and how the Gospel of John is deeper than the ocean, an invitation to discover who we are in God's story. The conversation also turns to miracles as lessons rather than performances, hearing God with the heart instead of the brain, synchronicities that feel like fire, and the unexpected ways grief and loss can refine faith.

Episode 6 - Recorded 8/18/2025 In this episode of Love for the Unseen God, hosts Josh and Geoff revisit their recent appearance on J Brown's Yoga Talks Podcast to explore a provocative question: Why do we gender God? They consider the historical, cultural, and ethical implications of predominantly male imagery for God in different tradition—especially for people who may have experienced harm in religious or secular contexts. Their conversation expands to contrast Christianity's representation of God with other traditions that include both male and female deities, raising questions about how cultural frameworks may shape our view of the divine. Along the way, Josh and Geoff reflect on the significance of Jesus' crucifixion, the mystery of living beyond time, and the importance of choice and struggle in authentic faith. Together they emphasize that God is not made in our image but that we are made in God's—and that rediscovering this truth invites humility, compassion, and a deeper encounter with the eternal.

Episode 5 - Recorded 4/03/2025 In this continuation of their conversation on distance healing, hosts Josh and Geoff explore the mystery of prayer, presence, and God's nearness. They reflect on how healing across distance is woven into the very fabric of faith—because every prayer is, in some sense, an act of trust beyond what we can see. Through stories of personal experience, humor, and theological reflection from non-theologians, they wrestle with questions of discernment, pride, and what it means to receive grace rather than manufacture it. As the dialogue unfolds, Josh and Geoff emphasize that distance healing is not a strange add-on to spirituality, but fundamental to how believers relate to the unseen God. They return again and again to the heart of Jesus' words: the kingdom of God is not far off, but already at hand—revealed in compassion, humility, and love that crosses every boundary.

Episode 4 - Recorded 4/23/2025 In this episode of Love for the Unseen God, hosts Josh and Geoff reflect on the struggle between self-focus and becoming truly other-focused. They share how God uses everyday moments—whether on an airplane or in a checkout line—to draw us into love and connection. Josh and Geoff share stories about prayer in unexpected places: a simple blessing on an airplane, or a quiet prayer in a far-off land for someone in need that actually brings relief. These moments point to prayer as resting with the heart rather than striving with the mind, echoing the Roman centurion who trusted Jesus to heal at a distance. Together they explore how stereotypes can turn people away from faith, while authentic compassion can ease suffering without words. With humility, they wrestle with paradoxes of life, sin, and God's transforming love—reminding us that the Kingdom is always at hand.

Episode 3 - Recorded 2/27/2025 In this episode of Love for the Unseen God, Josh Thomas and Dr. Geoff Dugue talk candidly about what it means to walk through confusion, doubt, and disorientation while still grounding in faith. Drawing from their personal histories and spiritual turning points, they explore how moments of darkness often become invitations into deeper clarity. Their conversation touches on somatic healing, the quiet distortions of shame and performance, and the way grace reorients us when we've tried too hard to "get it right." They wrestle with how to interpret Scripture without weaponizing it, and why epistemic humility matters just as much in theology as it does in science. This isn't a conversation full of easy answers—but it is one full of honesty, curiosity, and the deep belief that even in our most uncertain seasons, God is near. If you've ever wrestled with what you believe—or how to believe—this one's for you.

Episode 2 - Recorded 1/15/2025 This second episode of Love for the Unseen God starts with the same intro as Episode 1—but don't be fooled. What follows is a very different, deeply personal conversation that unfolded unexpectedly after the first recording wrapped. Josh Thomas and Dr. Geoff Dugue continue their unfiltered exploration of faith, friendship, and spiritual awakening—this time leaning more into the lessons of the cross, the mystery of prayer, and what it means to walk with God when you don't have it all figured out. Josh opens up about past shame, healing, and the struggle to feel like he belongs in faith conversations. Geoff brings his steady, scientific lens as a physician, offering grounding and curiosity rather than certainty. Together they wrestle with the paradox of being unqualified and yet deeply called, especially in a world where church and culture often place barriers around what faith "should" look like. There's no sermon here—just a raw, evolving conversation about the unseen God, the unseen wounds we carry, and the unseen grace that keeps showing up.

Episode 1 - Recorded 1/15/2025 In this first episode of Love for the Unseen God, hosts Josh Thomas and Dr. Geoff Dugue open up about what led them to hit "record." What began as unstructured conversations about God—filled with curiosity, conviction, and mutual respect—has become a space for honest dialogue across differences. Josh is a recently reborn follower of Jesus with a background in yoga, energy healing, and spiritual exploration. Geoff is a lifelong follower of Jesus, a medical doctor, and a scientific researcher who brings a thoughtful, analytical lens to matters of faith. Together, they represent two ends of a spectrum—different generations, different experiences, and different ways of thinking—but they meet in the middle with humility, affection, and a shared desire to know God more deeply. In this episode, they reflect on why they started the podcast, what the title Love for the Unseen God means to them, and how spiritual growth often starts with good questions, not perfect answers. They discuss the influence of Paul's writings, the challenge of interpreting biblical metaphors, and the importance of being open and vulnerable in conversations about faith.