PODCAST · arts
Making Creativity Pay
by Dan Barnett
Welcome to ‘Making Creativity Pay’, this isn’t a podcast about making millions, more about speaking to people in creative industries whether that’s music, literature, art or anything that relies on creativity about how that ties in with making a living from it.The aim is not about selling out any creative endeavour but to ensure that there is at least some way to pay the bills and keep the lights on, money can be seen to be a vulgar part of the process but getting fairly paid for the time, effort and expertise you put in to something shouldn't be a bad thing.
Episodes
-
Speak of The Devil - Writer and Director Elise Simond
“I went very hard on marketing and promotion and one thing is getting the actors to feel confident doing that too. You are going to feed off the atmosphere of having 50 people in that room on the night so let's give ourselves the best opportunity to have a high exciting atmosphere in that room”...
-
God Save Us - Writer and Director Esalan Gates
“It's a medieval farce about women's rights in the wake of the Norman invasion in 1066. It's very much within the remit of things that I love to work on. It's taking ideas that are reflected still today about kind of the progress of women's rights and how we think about literacy rates and the way...
-
Lucy Lutte - Actor and Director
This episode is with Lucie Lutte who is founder of Arts organisation Limitless Presents and director of upcoming play Extremism that is on at The Cockpit Theatre from 29th Sep to 2nd October We talk about what it takes to put a play like this together, running workshops for actors and creating...
-
Clown and Fringe with Natalie Patuzzo
"Some people were really scared... it kind of surprised me how many tourists I came across that didn't even seem to realise that Edinburgh Fringe was going on. And they were sort of walking down the mile, like what is happening right now. Some people came up to me because I was in costume and…
more -
Poltergeist - Charlie Vero-Martin
"I've taken four solo shows to the Edinburgh Fringe previously, which have all been multi-character shows, and slowly throughout, the very first show I did was just all characters, and then second, third, fourth, I started more and more each time being a bit more myself in the show. and it's...
-
Juliette Burton and Gareth Gwynn
“I did a sketch show that was on the free fringe that during that month, I walked so much that I actually put holes in my shoes. So I had to buy shoes in Edinburgh during the fringe, but it meant I had a pair of shoes with holes in. I could physically show the audience. To go, look, I need money.…
more -
Hannah Platt, Ruby Carr and Kat Higgins - Episode 100!
“Ruby is daft and funny and high energy and silly, and whatever the content of the show is, it will be through that lens. And same with Hannah, it'll be dry and witty and things. And people who know me and have seen my stand-up, like know what I'm like on stage. I think for me having done…
more -
Spooky Dookie - Cool New Planet!!
“Maureen has learned piano in recent years and we had a scene where she sings a song and so she was playing piano, but because we're gonna be at fringe and renting a piano and then bringing it on and off stage just all felt too persnickety. Maureen has now learned the ukulele” This episode is…
more -
Eleanor Morton - The Mermaid
“I have a Samsung TV, it will choose a specific channel to be the channel that's on and it's always something really random when you switch the TV on and for a while it was like the space channel, so was just like satellite images of Earth. At one point it was ITVX's comedy channel, and so very...
-
Mark Vigeant - OUT THERE
“My partner Anna had come up with this idea that like Edinburgh is like the way that surfers will travel to remote places to catch the best wave. That is what Edinburgh is. It's the best wave. We're a bunch of surfers and we want to have the biggest, longest wave. And all of the artists are…
more -
Dancing and Magic - Ava Beaux and Christie Lee Manning
“ The more I give myself permission to do stuff, the better the act has got, and I think it has taken me 10 years to get to a point where I'm like, "Yes, this is what I want to do." I'm making a show now that I've wanted to write for the past 10 years. I've had such imposter syndrome with the...
-
Adele Cliff and Katie Pritchard
“I did take a year out because I needed to prove to myself that not everything was about Edinburgh Fringe. And actually made the most money I've ever made in a month” This episode is with comedians Adele Cliff and Katie Pritchard. We talk about their daily topical comedy show, Adele’s work in...
-
HR The Musical
Our latest Fringe episode is with Amy Mansfield who is taking her show HR: The Musical to the Gilded Balloon this August. We talk about the show, arts funding in New Zealand, taking the show to festivals in Australia and now the UK. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hrthemusical/ Fringe Show:...
-
Fake Blood gave me a rash - Sarah Roberts
“I've got really sensitive skin and obviously I immediately got a rash from covering myself in blood from Halloween that I bought three years before. I didn't know that that could go off, but it definitely can and it was” Comedian Sarah Roberts talking about taking her show ‘Scary Movie 7’ to the...
-
Dog Funeral - Zoe Wohlfeld
“It's very different in the UK than in America because from my limited experience in the UK, people know what clown is. Clown is like another accepted form of comedy. So even if I'm on a lineup show in the UK, it's a little bit more like, okay, people know what this is” Latest episode is with Zoe...
-
Government Approved Comedian - Kate Hammer
“So in 2023 I had to switch visas to the Global Talent Visa. It's extremely intense and stressful and makes you question yourself because you have to prove that you are a good enough comedian to be globally valuable to the UK. I actually knew some comedians who had applied for that and gotten...
-
Coco the Time Travelling Tart
“So basically in 2024, nothing was really working in terms of performing. And I said to my friend, I'm really worried about my career. And he said, Max, what career? And I was like, fair enough. So I gave myself 90 days to get a new comedy agent. and that was the sort of big push that I needed.…
more -
Notes: Creating comedy from buried ideas
"Comedians will perform all those unhinged ideas they had in their notes app that never did anything, I realised how different every comedian was and that looking behind the scenes and being in the artist's bars, they all had different processes. And they would try jokes on each other. And I was...
-
Brit Barron: Church
“My show Church is about my story as a former mega church pastor, now queer, happy person. and it's about queerness, life, faith, finding, faith in humanity again. It features live music, it runs like a church service, it's at twelve forty, so it could be your first show of the day. Start the day...
-
Davina Bentley - Dancing While Old
“I have to do the fringe because I have to do a show, I'm telling myself it is better that I do like, God forbid, it's better to have a one star show that you do than a show that does not exist that in your mind has four stars or five stars. Like you just have to do the thing. Because otherwise,...
-
Hamish Lloyd Barnes: Stage Presence
“I've gigged at Comedy Nights as the spotlight character, I do a lot of just straight Stand Up nights and I'll be like the character act. And I think often it's great, but there's always an adjustment of , okay, this is something slightly different. And I think if I'm being an inanimate object,...
-
Streets Won't Forget - Richard Stott
“Everybody says that the best person to flyer your show is yourself. And that's true apart from when it's me. I'm really bad at flyering. I'm someone who wears their emotions on their sleeve quite a lot, people can tell that I'm not enjoying myself when I'm flyering. When you're trying to get...
-
Harpist and Comedian Sam Hickman
“I was hoping to do [Edinburgh Fringe] and I didn't get anywhere that I wanted. In my mind, I'm like, I’ve got to be at the good venue. It's got to be worth the time and the effort. I'm not doing it for the love of the art. I could go to Droitwich Spa for the love of the art.” Latest episode is...
-
Retrospective - Promoting Theatre
“It started off with a lot of Zoom calls. I was in Sydney and of course TJ is in New York. I've done two productions in the UK in 2025 and 2024. And both times the way I've kind of approached it was mostly through online Zoom meetings where I would put up a casting call. We'd get a lot of...
-
Rosalie Minnitt - Lady Clementine
“I was invited to go to this theatre in Wolverhampton and I'm always a little bit nervous about going to places where I'm not entirely sure how the show is going to land…and it ended up just being such a fun show and the audience was so giving and so generous. That kind of restored my faith in...
-
Live Comedy Day!
Latest episode is with Geoff Rowe of the Live Comedy Association We talk about the first Live Comedy Day which takes place on April 1st as well as the wider aims of the Live Comedy Association in both acting as a network for the industry and also acting as a united front for the industry when...
-
Girl Gone Wild - Courtney Kocak
"It's a small town girls misadventures in Hollywood. And it is both poignant and funny. I think of the essays as like crepes. They're kind of like individually snackable, but collectively filling. What I love about the essay format is it's kind of propulsive and you move through it with the...
-
Artpreneur - Miriam Schulman
“I'm telling all my artists to go on LinkedIn. It's like a nice frontier.” Latest episode is with Artist and author of 'Artpreneur' Miriam Schulman. We talk about her giving up working in Financial Services to focus full time on her art, we also talk about the process of getting her book…
more -
A Haunted House - David Hoskin
Latest guest is David Hoskin talking about his ‘Comedy Horror Mime’ show A Haunted House we talk about taking the show to the Edinburgh Fringe, his upcoming (at time of recording) stints at Soho Theatre and Mumbai Fringe, how to balance Comedy and Horror and his creative career from Illustration…
more -
Vertical Drama Love - Jen Cooper
“ Everyone wants to get involved and it's generating huge amount of work for actors and crew all around the world, which is very hard to find in other parts of the media. So Hollywood is now involved as well, and every major Hollywood studio you can think of is looking or experimenting with this...
-
Chat Sh*t Get Hit - Martha Pailing
“He said ‘[I hate] loud Northern women who swear’ and he’s obviously talking about me” Latest guest is Martha Pailing whose show ‘Chat Sh*t, Get Hit’ is on at Soho Theatre on Feb 5th and 6th. We talk about developing the show over a number of years and the importance of Arts Council Funding, her...
-
Leicester Comedy Festival - Charlotte Laidet
“The mission is to educate and promote mental health through the arts, mostly through Comedy and for people to talk about mental health and difficult subjects through comedy” Latest guest is Charlotte Laidet who is Festivals and Programme Director for Leicester Comedy Festival which is running…
more -
Krystal Evans - Hottest Girl at Burn Camp, Mitchell and Webb and Stand-up
“ I'm very keenly aware of the whole, reliving my life thing in different forms and having that replace my real memories sometimes, and that can be a kind of a scary thing because it is this thing that happened to me that I didn't talk about for so many years and like in public, like never, you...
-
Hannah Morton - Cha Cha Real Smooth
“ I am a jack of all trades in the comedy industry and also don't make much money, so that's why I do it all, my main sort of thing is that I'm a writer of funny stuff that most of the time I perform. I'm getting really used to calling myself a stand-up now which is terrifying.” Latest guest is...
-
Line Producing and Events with Fliss Williams
“ I would like to destroy the biggest myth right from the off, which is that working in production isn't creative. It absolutely is…what I do on a day-to-day basis is I actually make huge decisions for any production that I work on that directly influence the content that is on screen.” On this...
-
Gobby Girls - From Fringe to Soho Theatre
“It’s written, performed, directed and produced entirely by women and there’s something ridiculously refreshing about that” - Claire Rafferty On this episode I spoke with some of the writers and performers of Gobby Girls: The Afterparty which is on at the Soho Theatre from 20th-22nd November We...
-
Milo Edwards - How Revolting!
“I’ve basically walked backwards into having a day job” - Latest guest Stand-Up Comedian, writer and podcaster Milo Edwards. Milo has been a stand-up for over 10 years and has regularly performed at the Edinburgh Fringe and has released a number of specials on YouTube. We talk about his tour show...
-
Slumber Parties and Fight Clubs with Charlotte Cropper
“ So we have a main rule at comedy club that there's no toilet humour because it's too easy, I can make a fart sound and the room will explode with giggles. So we try and really emphasize that it's about being clever. I want you to go home to your grownups, whoever's looking after you. And I want...
-
Filmmaking and Video with Cinora's Ashley Catherine Dick
“ I used to tell people at primary school I was gonna be a film director when I grew up. I don’t know what happened in my childhood that made that happen but it was just a very strong determination and I think when I went to secondary school and people started sort of talking about their careers…
more -
Cheerful Earful and The Golden Lobes
“ We've done a couple of boat cruises with Brian Blessed called Overboard with Brian Blessed, which was great fun 'cause people just love being in the room with him. The first one we did on the Thames, we'd written this beautiful script about all of the facts about this, that and the other when…
more -
Women in Comedy Festival - Aimee Perry
“ So it's full on promo, just trying to get the word out there. We are a non-for-profit festival. We don't get any funding, so it's pretty much just on myself and Jessica who's the director of the festival. getting out to all the cafes and putting the brochures out,... just kind of getting the…
more -
Dissecting Comedy - Laura Lexx and Oliver Double of The Comedy Bureau
This episodes guests are Comedian and Author Laura Lexx and Dr. Oliver Double, Reader in Comic and Popular Performance at the University of Kent. We talk about their new YouTube show and podcast "The Comedy Bureau" described as "set in afictional-but-familiar academic department within UNI - The...
-
Zara Gladman - Good For Her
“TikTok is great for testing out new ideas really quickly and seeing what sticks and having those seeds of an idea, but writing an hour is completely different. So I'm able to build on those characters that I've tested out on TikTok but I've really enjoyed having a whole hour to carve out a whole...
-
Gotta Be Stuart Laws
" I just wrote 40 pages, booked in a preview in October last year at the Bill Murray, knowing I didn't have an ending I was like, just do it, perform it, then chat to the audience. I even sold it as like, please don't come, to really thin out the people who were gonna go. So, I think we had like…
more -
Joz Norris - A Life's Work
" I think it's important to be strategic going into the fringe and to have goals and to be very clear with yourself about what those goals are. But I think you need to phrase them in ways that can always come back to something you are in charge of. So your goal can never be, I want to win an…
more -
Sikisa - Serving Justice
Social Media is another job, I don’t need another job. Sikisa is at the Edinburgh Fringe this year with her show Serving Justice, we discuss her being called the hardest working comedian on the circuit, her wrestling podcast and combining all this with a job as an immigration lawyer. We also talk...
-
Rap Comedian Amelia Hamilton
When I first started introducing rap into comedy, I thought people would find it trickier to switch between the two, but they don't. I think people get used to, okay, we've got this rap, and then it stops, and then you move into doing standup, and then you do standup for a while, and then a rap...
-
Kathleen Hughes - Twig
It's a welcome return to the podcast for Comedian and Writer Kathleen Hughes, Kathleen previously appeared on the podcast in an episode with Jay Lafferty ahead of last year's fringe. This episode was recorded earlier this year ahead of Kathleen’s final few performances of her 2024 Fringe show...
-
MILF (Mom I'd Like to Find) - Candace Bryan
This episode is with writer and Comedian Candace Bryan. We talk about her show MILF (Mom I’d Like to Find), moving from a ‘Coward’s Hour’ in 2023 to Debuting with a full show this year, her decisions behind venue choice and ticket price as well as her experiences in Roast Battles and how her Work...
-
The Sentimental Value of a Half-Eaten Biscuit
“ every party we go to, every new person we meet, every workshop we're at, we plug the show which I think is always the way to go. Word of mouth.” This episode is with Sian Kayleigh on Pansy Productions about their upcoming show The Sentimental Value of a Half-Eaten Biscuit and the Psychological...
We're indexing this podcast's transcripts for the first time — this can take a minute or two. We'll show results as soon as they're ready.
No matches for "" in this podcast's transcripts.
No topics indexed yet for this podcast.
Loading reviews...
ABOUT THIS SHOW
Welcome to ‘Making Creativity Pay’, this isn’t a podcast about making millions, more about speaking to people in creative industries whether that’s music, literature, art or anything that relies on creativity about how that ties in with making a living from it.The aim is not about selling out any creative endeavour but to ensure that there is at least some way to pay the bills and keep the lights on, money can be seen to be a vulgar part of the process but getting fairly paid for the time, effort and expertise you put in to something shouldn't be a bad thing.
HOSTED BY
Dan Barnett
CATEGORIES
Loading similar podcasts...
Frequently Asked Questions
How many episodes does Making Creativity Pay have?
Making Creativity Pay currently has 84 episodes available on PodParley. New episodes are automatically indexed when they're published to the podcast feed.
What is Making Creativity Pay about?
Welcome to ‘Making Creativity Pay’, this isn’t a podcast about making millions, more about speaking to people in creative industries whether that’s music, literature, art or anything that relies on creativity about how that ties in with making a living from it.The aim is not about selling out any...
How often does Making Creativity Pay release new episodes?
Making Creativity Pay has 84 episodes. Check the episode list to see recent publication dates and frequency.
Where can I listen to Making Creativity Pay?
You can listen to Making Creativity Pay on PodParley by clicking any episode. We provide an embedded audio player for direct listening, and you can also subscribe via your preferred podcast app using the RSS feed.
Who hosts Making Creativity Pay?
Making Creativity Pay is created and hosted by Dan Barnett.
URL copied to clipboard!