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Messy Business

by Erin & Cathy : Early Childhood Principals

Real-talk to connect, inspire, laugh, reflect and problem solve all things in early childhood education.

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Episodes

  1. Regulating Ourselves to Better Support Others (Ep. 41)

    We chat with Dr. Maribeth Rossini, pediatric neuropsychologist, about managing stress, strengthening families, and her work helping students with dyslexia. Learn more about Dr. Rossini's practice here. Plus, we're excited to debut the Messy Business Fast Five, our new segment where we ask every...

  2. The Process Improvement Mindset (Ep. 40)

    We're laughing about our ADHD quirks and embracing one of our favorite phrases: process improvement. Instead of placing blame on a person when something doesn't go as planned, we ask, How can we improve the process? It's a mindset that keeps conversations productive, encourages continual growth,...

  3. Passing the Baton: Leading Through Transition (Ep. 39)

    Transitions are part of life. We reflect on changes happening in their own lives and share five practical ways to pass the baton well. This conversation is full of reflection, encouragement and actionable ideas for anyone navigating a new beginning.

  4. I Am Not: Owning What We’re Not Good At (Ep. 38)

    We are not good at everything. We’re owning our weaknesses, laughing at our preferences, and embracing the things we’d rather not do (or simply can’t). Because here’s the truth - we need each other. When you know your strengths and surround yourself with people who fill in the gaps, life just…

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  5. Stronger Together with Dr. Matthew X. Joseph (Ep. 37)

    A mystery Amazon delivery, a first job story, and a nationwide educator network—this episode has it all with Dr. Matthew X. Joseph. We explore the power of collaboration through real stories, honest moments, and a few laughs along the way. The XFactor EDU network is inspiring community of…

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  6. McKinney-Vento Explained: Supporting Students Experiencing Homelessness (Ep. 36)

    Heather Britton of the DuPage ROE joins us to break down the McKinney-Vento Act and what it requires of school districts. This conversation offers clear, practical steps to ensure compliance with federal and state law — while keeping students and families at the center of the work.

  7. Unsupervised Leadership with Courtney Orzel and Kate Koch (Ep. 35)

    The ultimate crossover event of the season!✨Unsupervised Leadership meets Messy Business in a fun and fabulous episode you didn’t know you needed. Dr. Courtney Orzel and Dr. Kate Koch bring the real talk, big laughs, and the kind of leadership lessons that only come from beautifully messy…

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  8. Medicaid Advocacy and Disability Rights with Attorney Nicole Jorwic (Ep. 24)

    Nicole Jorwic, an attorney and national policy expert advocates at the national level for people with disabilities and caregivers. Nicole breaks down key Medicaid issues, highlights bipartisan efforts creating real progress, and shares her unique experience working in Hollywood, including...

  9. Supporting Multilingual Learners in Schools with Carly Spina (Ep. 33)

    Multilingual education expert Carly Spina to explores her powerful new book, Igniting Real Change for Multilingual Learners: Equity and Advocacy in Action (2025). Carly brings experience as an EL teacher, bilingual classroom educator, and district-wide instructional coach to a conversation about...

  10. Fighting Food Insecurity with Northern Illinois Food Bank CEO Julie Yurko (Ep. 32)

    We talk with Julie Yurko, President & CEO of the Northern Illinois Food Bank. Learn about this incredible organization, the power of innovation and their partnerships with Walmart, DoorDash & Chick-fil-A. "Neighbors helping neighbors” with dignity & love truly embodies their approach. Access…

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  11. Preschool Animal Encounters: Crazy Classroom Survival Stories (Ep. 31)

    In this episode, we relive the unforgettable day an unexpected visitor wandered into a classroom. Hear about the quick-thinking teachers who helped save the day — and a few other chaotic and memorable stories of animal encounters in schools. Because sometimes the wildest lessons don’t come from…

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  12. Early Childhood Principals Play: I Plead the 5th - Round 2 (Ep. 30)

    We’re bringing back one of your favorite episodes—and this time, we're the ones in the hot seat. 🔥 In this special round of I Plead the 5th, we turn the questions on each other to see just how alike (or totally opposite) we really are. It's all fair game... unless we decide to plead the 5th.

  13. Denim in Schools: Dress Code Debate One Year Later (Ep. 29)

    Remember Episode #5 OOTD? In our most listened-to episode ever we dove into the controversial topic of denim in schools, and wow, did it spark a reaction. One year later, we’re back to revisit the debate. Has anything changed? Are jeans still dividing hallways and faculty rooms? We share updated...

  14. Bilingual Early Childhood Music and Art Education with Mi Amigo Hamlet & Alina Celeste (Ep. 28)

    Get ready to laugh, learn, and be totally inspired by Mi Amigo Hamlet & Alina Celeste! Learn about their personal and professional journey driven by creativity, music, art, and bilingual education. 🎨🎶 Book them for your next professional development or family event!...

  15. School Safety and AI-Powered Threat Detection with ZeroNow Founder Ara Bagdasarian (Ep. 27)

    From AI-powered threat detection to real-time alert systems, this conversation dives deep into the tools that can help prevent violence before it starts. But it’s not just about the tech — it’s about communities, educators, and innovators working together toward one urgent goal: ending school...

  16. School Year Prep for Preschool Principals: Sharpened Crayons and Big Plans (Ep. 26)

    Literal blood and sweat to start the year, but no tears…yet. We share what has us excited and why we're still smiling. We celebrate incredible people around us that remind us why this work matters. It's a fresh start, and we're here for it.

  17. MTSS in Early Childhood: Strong Tiered Supports with Principal Heather Santiemmo (Ep. 25)

    We interview our good friend & colleague, Heather Santiemmo from Carol Stream D93, a passionate EC principal and leader in inclusive practices. She shares her leadership journey and practical ideas for strong MTSS frameworks and inclusive programs that support young learners. Inspiring, real, and...

  18. Preschool Leadership Summer Recap and Season 2 Sneak Peek (Ep. 24)

    We share favorite summer highlights and a sneak peek at what’s coming this season — including some amazing guests you won’t want to miss. Whether you’re still soaking up summer or already eyeing your planner, we’ve got something for you. Let’s ease back in together — with laughs, updates, and a…

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  19. From Principal to Author: Erin's First Book in Early Childhood Education (Ep. 23)

    In this episode, Erin shares her journey writing and publishing her first children's book titled I'll Always Love You No Matter What. She shares the inspiration behind the story, the creative process, and what it means to finally see her words come to life. A beautiful story for every child’s...

  20. Early Childhood March Madness: Updates and Season 2 Preview (Ep. 22)

    We're diving into real-talk for principals in March! From recent events to upcoming projects, we’re sharing everything you need to know about what’s been going on and some sneak previews for Season 2 of Messy Business! Check out our blog posts! Process Improvement Blog Post with EduMatch In the…

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  21. Early Childhood Professional Learning: Our Countywide Institute Presentation (Ep. 21)

    In this episode, we take you behind the scenes of our first-ever live presentation! Join us for an inside look and reflections on this memorable professional learning opportunity.

  22. The Men of Early Childhood Education: AJ McCree on Leadership and Teaching (Ep. 20)

    In traditionally a female-dominated profession, men make a significant impact in shaping young minds in early childhood. We interview our good friend, AJ McCree, about his personal journey, challenges and the rewards of working in EC. Together, we discuss the unique perspectives men bring to the...

  23. School Law and Education Policy: Interview with Attorney Darcy Kriha (Ep. 19)

    We laughed, cried, and learned from this interview with our school attorney Darcy Kriha. We covered cell phone policies, school safety and navigating challenging IEP meetings. Listen to the end for a fun fact about her special connection with Sister Jean from Loyola! This conversation will shed...

  24. Early Childhood Leadership Game: I Plead the 5th (Ep. 18)

    Erin & Cathy turn the tables and interview each other! But there's a twist! There is an option to "plead the 5th" if they encounter a question they'd rather not answer. Get ready for an engaging conversation as they dive deep into personal stories, professional journeys, and the behind-the-scenes...

  25. School Safety and Threat Prevention: Insights for Educators with Dr. Nicole Spatafore (Ep. 17)

    Dr. Nicole Spatafore, Director of Special Services, joins us for part 2 in a series on school safety. She shares her research and practical tips on coordinating safety plans for her school community.

  26. School Safety & Threat Prevention: Insights for Educators with Dr. Kim Lohse (Ep. 16)

    We dive deep into the critical topic of school safety. Dr. Lohse shares practical tips, strategies and training recommendations to protect students and staff. Listen for a fun fact about Kim’s experience with the Dave Matthews Band!

  27. October Fun in Preschool — Halloween, Picture Day and More! (Ep. 15)

    Picture day, Halloween, Drills, P/T Conferences, Family Activities and more! Get your October real-talk for educators here!

  28. Early Childhood Assessment: Transdisciplinary Play-Based Assessment (TPBA) — Dr. Toni Linder (Ep. 14)

    Exclusive interview with THE Dr. Toni Linder, professor emeritus at the University of Denver and author of the Transdisciplinary Play-Based Assessment!

  29. Principal Birthday Recap: Celebrating Together and Sharing Stories (Ep. 13)

    We extend a heartfelt thank you to all our amazing listeners, family and friends who helped us celebrate our birthdays! 🎂🥳 Your love and support made our special day even more memorable. Join us as we share the fun and excitement of how we celebrated.

  30. Kathy Slattery on STARNET’s Mission for Equitable, Inclusive Education and Professional Growth (Ep. 12)

    We interview Kathy Slattery, project director for STARNET Region 2. She inspires, supports, and connects the early childhood world in a community of best practice.

  31. Superintendent Spotlight: Leadership Insights with Dr. Nick Sutton (Ep. 11)

    We interviewed Dr. Nick Sutton, Erin's superintendent. Learn about his first job, words of advice, AI insights, fun facts and more!

  32. Back to School Buzz: Tips and Insights for Early Childhood Educators (Ep. 10)

    The year has started and it's time to check in! We discovered a new sensory/SEL toy you must have for your classroom or yourself! Hand2Mind Express Your Feelings Bottles Set

  33. Educators’ Favorite Things: Fun Picks and Personal Faves (Ep. 9)

    Find out why September 12th is an important day for us! To celebrate we share a list of our top 5 favorite things.

  34. Superintendent Spotlight: The Connection Mindset with Dr. Ted Stec (Ep. 8)

    We interviewed Cathy's superintendent! In this episode, Dr. Stec shared about the power of connection and relationships. Click here to check out his book on Amazon!

  35. The ADHD Leader: Insights for Educators (Ep. 7)

    Join us as we explore the unique strengths and challenges faced by leaders with ADHD. From hyperfocus to impulsivity, we’ll discuss how these traits can shape leadership styles and impact decision-making. If you are curious about intersection of neurodiversity and leadership, this episode is a...

  36. Superintendent Spotlight: Leadership Lessons and Connections with John Langton (Ep. 6)

    Erin and Cathy interview retired superintendent John Langton, the connecting factor between us! John reflects on his time in leadership and his support of early childhood. We get him to weigh-in on the staff dress debate and share about life in retirement!

  37. Principals’ OOTD: Outfit of the Day Fun and Style (Ep. 5)

    Today's episode is on what to wear in education. Tune in to hear Erin and Cathy's denim discussion!

  38. Building an Early Childhood Dream Team: Interview Tips for Educators (Ep. 4)

    In this episode, Erin and Cathy reveal their secrets behind impactful interviews. Whether you’re a seasoned interviewer or just starting out we hope you take-away strategies to elevate your interviewing game.

  39. What Happens in Summer…Stays in Summer: Reflections for Educators and Principals (Ep. 3)

    Let's talk about summer as a building principal, ways to reset and plan for next year. Plus real-talk about cicadas and Cathy's hidden talent!

  40. Meet Your Hosts Erin and Cathy Preschool Principals (Ep. 2)

    Get to know the Messy Business Podcasters Cathy & Erin and hear our journey that lead us to learn and love Early Childhood.

  41. The Intro to Messy Business: Real Talk for Educators (Ep. 1)

    Welcome to Messy Business! A podcast with real-talk for early childhood educators. Our goal is to connect, inspire, laugh, reflect and problem solve all things early childhood. Join Cathy and Erin share their sometimes messy journey through Early Childhood Leadership.

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ABOUT THIS SHOW

Real-talk to connect, inspire, laugh, reflect and problem solve all things in early childhood education.

HOSTED BY

Erin & Cathy : Early Childhood Principals

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education

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