Ministry Wives Podcast

If you’ve ever felt the weight of discipling your kids—but struggled to stay consistent—you’re not alone. In this episode of the Ministry Wives podcast, host Amy Petersen sits down with Melissa Kruger, Vice President of Discipleship Programming at The Gospel Coalition, to talk honestly about a common tension among many ministry families: wanting to lead your children spiritually while feeling overwhelmed, inconsistent, or simply worn out. Together, Amy and Melissa share how to move from guilt to grace in family discipleship—and why faithfulness, not perfection, is what truly shapes your home. Whether you’re a pastor’s wife, ministry leader, or parent longing to build meaningful spiritual rhythms, this conversation offers practical encouragement to help you take simple, sustainable next steps. Because every prayer, every conversation, and every moment spent pointing your kids to Jesus is forming a spiritual legacy—one God can use in ways you may not see for years. In This Episode, You’ll Learn: A healthier, grace-filled approach to family discipleship (without feeling like a failure) How to build simple, sustainable rhythms of Bible reading and prayer with your kids Practical ways to respond to resistance from your children—especially teens What it looks like to make an eternal impact in your child’s spiritual life, one day at a time And more! Resources Mentioned in This Episode: The Good News Family Devotional by Michael and Melissa Kruger Women’s Initiatives at The Gospel Coalition Turn Your Eyes: TGC Women’s Conference 2026 (June 11–13 in Indianapolis, IN) Send Relief CONNECT Connect with Melissa Instagram // Website Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

If you’ve ever felt the tension between ministry demands and soul-deep exhaustion, this conversation is for you. In this episode of the Ministry Wives podcast, host Amy Petersen sits down with worship leader, songwriter, author, and podcast host Christy Nockels for an honest conversation about burnout, calling, and what it means to move from living for God to living from God. Join Christy as she shares her personal journey through a season of extreme exhaustion that led her to step away from her career for five years—and how God used that interruption to reshape her understanding of identity, rest, and what it means to truly receive the love of her heavenly Father. Together, Amy and Christy unpack what it looks like to slow down in a life that still feels full, how to discern the yeses and no’s of ministry, and how to practice simple, daily rhythms of consecration, confession, and communion with God. If you’re feeling tired, overwhelmed, or are quietly wondering if rest is even possible for you, this conversation will help you re-center your life on the “bullseye” of God’s presence—and lean into His grace in the middle of the unknown. In This Episode, You’ll Learn: Why rest often feels impossible in ministry life The difference between living for God vs. living from God What it means to feel like a “commodity” in ministry—and how God restores identity Simple, daily practices for abiding with God in the midst of a full life And more! Resources Mentioned in This Episode: The Life You Long For: Learning to Live from a Heart of Rest by Christy Nockels The Glorious in the Mundane Podcast Christy’s Substack—launching soon! CONNECT Connect with Christy Facebook // Instagram // Website Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

Waiting is one of the hardest parts of following Jesus… especially when you know you’re supposed to trust God, but your heart is struggling to catch up. In this episode of Ministry Wives, Amy sits down with speaker, author, podcast host, and ministry wife Rebecca George to talk about what it really looks like to trust God’s timing in a hurry-up world. Drawing from her book You’re Not Too Late, Rebecca shares how seasons of waiting—whether in singleness, marriage, ministry, or motherhood—can shape our faith, reveal our hearts, and deepen our dependence on God. If you’ve ever wrestled with comparison, felt forgotten by God, or wondered why your prayers seem delayed, this conversation will meet you right where you are. In This Episode: You’ll Learn: Why trusting God’s timing is a lifelong struggle—even in ministry The danger of tying God’s goodness to our desired outcomes Practical ways to build resilience in a “hurry-up” culture Why God’s work in others is not at the expense of His work in you And more! Resources Mentioned in This Episode: You’re Not Too Late: Trusting God’s Timing in a Hurry-Up World by Rebecca George Radical Radiance Podcast CONNECT Connect with Rebecca Instagram // Website Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

In this powerful and deeply relatable episode of the Ministry Wives podcast, host Amy Petersen sits down with ministry wife, author, and speaker Rachel Lovingood to talk about the tension we so often feel between knowing what God is asking—and actually stepping out in obedience. For many ministry wives, the struggle isn’t whether God is calling—it’s navigating the fear, discomfort, and uncertainty that inevitably come with saying yes. If you’ve ever thought, “I know I should step out in faith, but…”—then this conversation is for you. In This Episode, You’ll Learn: What’s really happening beneath your hesitation, fear, or resistance How to step into new seasons, transitions, and unknown spaces with faith Practical ways to initiate friendships and build relationships in new environments Why not every step of faith leads to visible results (and why that still matters) And more! Resources Mentioned in This Episode: In Our Shoes: Real Life Issues for Ministers’ Wives by Ministers’ Wives by Rachel Lovingood and Jennifer Landrith Playbook for Parents: Praying Powerful Prayers Over Your Athlete by Rachel and Jeff Lovingood CONNECT Connect with Rachel Facebook // Instagram // Website Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

What does it look like to stop striving for perfection and start living in the freedom of Christ? In this honest and encouraging episode of the Ministry Wives Podcast, host Amy Petersen sits down with mom, Bible teacher, and pastor’s wife Annie Locke to talk about the tension many women feel: “I know I shouldn’t strive for perfection, but…” Whether in ministry, motherhood, marriage, or leadership, the pressure to perform and “get it right” can quietly steal our joy and leave us exhausted. Annie shares vulnerably from her own experience as a pastor’s wife and ministry leader, unpacking how perfectionism often disguises itself as faithfulness. From the expectations of church life to the desire to model authentic faith at home, she speaks to the weight many ministry wives carry—and the freedom found in remembering that our identity is rooted in Christ alone, not in our performance. Through biblical truth and personal experience, Annie reminds us that we were never meant to be perfect or to be everything for everyone. Instead, we are called to abide in Jesus, allowing His love to shape our lives and overflow into the lives of others. This conversation offers hope for ministry wives, leaders, and women who are tired of striving and ready to experience the grace, rest, and joy found in simply being with Christ. In This Episode, We Talk About: Why perfectionism often stems from a desire to be faithful How performance-driven faith leads to burnout and comparison The difference between productivity and true faithfulness What it means to live from your identity in Christ, not for it And more! CONNECT Connect with Annie Facebook // Instagram // Email Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

What does it look like to keep fighting for your marriage when life gets hard? In this powerful episode of the Ministry Wives Podcast, host Amy Petersen sits down with Steven Curtis Chapman and Mary Beth Chapman to talk about the reality of marriage after more than 40 years together. Marriage can feel like a great adventure—beautiful, meaningful, and deeply rewarding—but it can also be far harder than we expected. For ministry wives and couples serving the church, the pressure to appear like everything is fine can make those struggles feel even heavier. Steven Curtis and Mary Beth share honest stories from their decades of marriage, including the role of grace, forgiveness, prayer, and perseverance in sustaining a relationship through both the great joy and deep grief. Drawing from their new book Still Here: Life Together on the Long Way Home, they remind us that lasting marriage isn’t about perfection—it’s about choosing to remain faithful, even when the road is long. This conversation offers encouragement for ministry wives, pastors’ families, and any couple wondering if their marriage is worth fighting for. In This Episode, We Talk About: Why lasting marriages require learning to “bear with one another in love” The real challenges behind long-term Christian marriage How grace and forgiveness sustain a marriage through conflict The role of prayer and faith in navigating grief and hardship Why staying committed matters even as people change over time Resources Mentioned in This Episode: Still Here: Life Together on the Long Way Home by Mary Beth and Steven Curtis Chapman Show Hope CONNECT Connect with Steven Curtis Chapman Website // Facebook // Instagram // Twitter Connect with Mary Beth Chapman Website // Facebook // Instagram // Twitter Connect with Amy Petersen Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

If you’ve ever thought, I know I should talk about my faith more… but I don’t know how, you’re not alone. In this episode of the Ministry Wives podcast, Amy sits down with speaker, former missionary, and Director of Relational Evangelism Melanie Ratcliffe to talk about the real reasons many followers of Jesus hesitate to share their faith. From fear of saying the wrong thing to feeling unprepared for spiritual conversations, many ministry wives quietly wrestle with the tension between wanting to share the gospel and not knowing where to begin. Melanie offers practical encouragement for women who want to grow in confidence, authenticity, and intentionality when talking about Jesus in everyday life. Instead of relying on scripted approaches or pressure-filled methods, she shows how gospel conversations can flow naturally through relationships, hospitality, and genuine care for others. If you’ve ever struggled with fear, awkwardness, or uncertainty when it comes to evangelism, this conversation will remind you that God is faithful to use ordinary moments—and ordinary people—to point others to His Son. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: Why so many Christians feel hesitant to talk about their faith Common fears that keep believers from sharing the gospel How ministry wives can approach evangelism with authenticity instead of pressure Simple ways to open the door for meaningful spiritual conversations And more! CONNECT Connect with Melanie Instagram // Facebook Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

What does it really mean to live set apart as a ministry wife? In this episode of the Ministry Wives Podcast, Amy Petersen sits down with wife, (grand)mom, author, and women’s minister Tasha Calvert to talk honestly about holiness, sanctification, and the pressure that so many ministry wives feel to “have it all together.” If you’re a pastor’s wife or ministry wife who has ever thought, I know I should be more holy… but I’m exhausted, struggling, or just trying to survive, then this conversation is for you. Tasha shares her personal journey of moving from a checklist-driven view of holiness to a relationship-centered understanding of what it means to follow a holy God. Together, she and Amy explore the unique expectations placed on women in church leadership, the importance of biblical community, and why vulnerability isn’t weakness—but a pathway to real spiritual growth. Instead of striving to look set apart, this episode invites you to surrender, rest in Christ, and pursue the personal holiness that’s rooted in grace alone. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: What it truly means for a ministry wife to live “set apart” Why holiness is about relationship with God—not performance How Scripture shapes your pursuit of personal holiness The vital role of biblical community in spiritual growth And more! Resources Mentioned in This Episode Set Apart for More: The Transformative Power of Living Your Whole Life for a Holy God CONNECT Connect with Tasha Instagram // Facebook // Website // Prestonwood Women’s Bible Study Resources Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

If you’re a ministry wife, pastor’s wife, or woman in church leadership, you may feel like doubt is something you’re supposed to outgrow or at least keep quiet. In this episode of the Ministry Wives Podcast, host Amy Petersen sits down with author and Bible teacher Courtney Reissig for an honest conversation about faith and doubt in ministry. Together, they address the quiet tension many Christian women carry: I know I shouldn’t struggle with doubt… but I do. This episode explores how to navigate spiritual doubt while serving in ministry, why doubt is not a disqualifier for leadership, and how Jesus meets our questions with both truth and compassion. If you’ve ever felt embarrassed by your struggles, wrestled with uncertainty in your faith, or wondered how to lead while still processing your own questions, this conversation offers steady reassurance: Jesus is not fragile in the face of your doubt. He is trustworthy, present, and nearer than you know. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: Why doubt can feel especially threatening for women in ministry leadership How Jesus responds to spiritual doubt with both truth and tenderness How Scripture gives language to our honest prayers What wise, healthy vulnerability looks like for ministry wives Practical ways to support others wrestling with fear, suffering, and faith Resources Mentioned in This Episode Someone to Believe In: Embracing the Savior Who Stays the Same When Everything Else Changes Teach Me To Feel: Worshiping Through the Psalms in Every Season of Life Seth and the Very Scary Storm Connect Connect with Courtney Instagram // Substack Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

We know we’re called to love our neighbors… but what happens when it feels awkward, inconvenient, or intimidating? In this episode of the Ministry Wives Podcast, host Amy Petersen sits down with Amy-Jo Girardier—mom, women’s minister, author, and ministry wife—for an honest conversation about the tension behind the words, “I know I should engage my neighbors, but…” Together, they talk about the real barriers that keep ministry wives from stepping into meaningful relationships: busy schedules, fear of rejection, uncertainty about what to say, and the pressure to “do it right.” Amy-Jo shares practical encouragement for living out your faith in everyday spaces and reminds listeners that loving your neighbor doesn’t require a perfect strategy—just your availability and obedience. Their conversation highlights a simple but powerful initiative Amy-Jo started: a neighborhood prayer box. What began as a small step of faith became a bridge for connection, opening doors to deeper conversations and creating opportunities to pray for and serve others in tangible ways. If you’ve ever felt stuck between conviction and hesitation when it comes to community engagement, this episode will help you see that faithfulness often looks like small, intentional acts of love right where God has placed you. What You’ll Learn in This Episode with Amy-Jo Girardier: Why engaging our neighbors can feel intimidating (even when we know we “should”) Common barriers that keep ministry wives from building local relationships How everyday faithfulness can open doors for gospel conversations Why loving your neighbor begins with presence, not perfection And more! CONNECT Connect with Amy-Jo Instagram // Lifeway Bible Studies *For info and pictures of her neighborhood prayer box, search #prayerboxgatewayvillage on Instagram. Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

For many ministry wives, time in the Word can quietly shift from a life-giving invitation into a heavy obligation. In the first episode of season eight, host Amy Petersen welcomes Kelly Needham—Bible teacher, author, and fellow ministry wife—for an honest conversation about Bible study, identity, and the pressure of our spiritual “shoulds.” Kelly shares from her own faith journey and introduces her Bible study, See for Yourself: How to Study Your Bible with Confidence and Joy. Together, Amy and Kelly talk about how shame, comparison, and performance often creep into our relationship with Scripture—and how the gospel gently calls us back to grace. If you’ve ever felt stuck, inconsistent, or discouraged when it comes to spending time in the Word, this episode will remind you that God’s delight in you is not earned by your quiet time. The Bible was never meant to be a checklist—it’s an invitation to know Jesus, no matter your season of life. What You’ll Learn in This Episode with Kelly Needham: Why the Bible was never meant to be a spiritual “should” How shame and comparison impact our approach to Scripture Why identity in Christ matters more than spiritual productivity How to approach Bible study with curiosity, flexibility, and grace And more! Resources & Links Mentioned: See for Yourself: How to Study Your Bible with Confidence and Joy by Kelly Needham Friend-ish: Reclaiming Real Friendship in a Culture of Confusion Purposefooled: Why Chasing Your Dreams, Finding Your Calling, and Reaching for Greatness Will Never Be Enough Clearly Podcast JimmyAndKelly.com CONNECT Connect with Kelly Instagram // Website // Teach Equip Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

Ministry life often pulls us in many directions—serving others, leading faithfully, and juggling family responsibilities. But what about our own walk with Jesus? How do we keep our devotional life fresh and alive when ministry itself can leave us weary? In this episode of the Ministry Wives Podcast, host Amy Petersen sits down with Gayle Rogers Foster—daughter of the late Adrian Rogers and author of In His Footsteps: A 90-Day Devotional to Enjoy Jesus Daily. Gayle shares her personal story of growing up in a ministry family, navigating seasons of busyness, and learning the joy of abiding with Christ. With wisdom, honesty, and humor, Gayle encourages ministry wives to embrace margin, surrender what we cling to, and resist the temptation to simply “power through.” She reminds us that keeping our devotional lives vibrant isn’t about doing more—it’s about living with open hands, listening to the Spirit, and making space for God’s voice in the everyday. What You’ll Learn in This Episode with Gayle Rogers Foster: Why ministry wives can struggle with spending time with God while serving Him How Gayle’s upbringing shaped her faith and the lessons she’s carried into adulthood The story behind her devotional In His Footsteps and how God called her to write it How to release what you’re holding onto and walk in daily surrender Practical ways to keep your quiet time fresh in every season of life Whether you feel spiritually “stuck” or simply need encouragement to keep going, this conversation will refresh your soul and remind you that God meets us in the quiet places. Resources & Links Mentioned: In His Footsteps: A 90-Day Devotional to Enjoy Jesus Daily (Featuring Daily Words of Wisdom from Adrian Rogers) by Gayle Rogers Foster Love Worth Finding Opportunity Leadership by Roger Parrott CONNECT Connect with Gayle Facebook // Instagram // Website Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

Joy doesn’t always feel easy—it often feels vulnerable, even risky. In this episode of the Ministry Wives Podcast, Amy Petersen sits down with author and therapist Nicole Zasowski to talk about her new Bible study Daring Joy: What Six Women in the Bible Teach Us About the Power of Celebration When It Feels Risky, Complicated, and Even Impossible. Nicole shares how her own seasons of loss, transition, and disappointment led her to a deeper understanding of joy—not as a reward for when life goes well, but as a practice we can step into, even in life’s hardest seasons.  What You’ll Learn in This Episode with Nicole Zasowski: Why joy can seem like one of our most vulnerable emotions The difference between gratitude and thanksgiving (and why speaking it aloud doubles your joy!) Simple practices that retrain your brain toward joy What six women of Scripture—Eve, Sarah, Miriam, Mary, Elizabeth, and Mary Magdalene—teach us about daring joy in the middle of uncertainty And more! Resources & Links Mentioned: Daring Joy: What Six Women in the Bible Teach Us About the Power of Celebration When It Feels Risky, Complicated, and Even Impossible by Nicole Zasowski What If It’s Wonderful?: Release Your Fears, Choose Joy, and Find the Courage to Celebrate by Nicole Zasowski From Lost to Found: Giving Up What You Think You Want for What Will Set You Free by Nicole Zasowski CONNECT Connect with Nicole Instagram // Website Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

Suffering is something every believer will face—but what do we do when it feels relentless, unfair, or overwhelming? In this powerful episode of the Ministry Wives Podcast, host Amy Petersen sits down with author and speaker Vaneetha Risner to talk about walking with Jesus through seasons of deep pain. Vaneetha’s story is marked by challenges: childhood polio, the heartbreaking loss of her infant son, a painful divorce, and the ongoing struggles of post-polio syndrome. Yet, through every valley, she has discovered the nearness of Christ—not through quick fixes or easy answers, but through honest lament and raw dependence on God. Together, Amy and Vaneetha explore common misconceptions about suffering, the beauty of biblical lament, and how to come alongside others who are hurting with both truth and tenderness. If you’ve ever felt like your faith faltered under the weight of pain—or if you’ve walked with someone in the midst of grief—this conversation will remind you that your hope is not in an outcome, but in a Savior who draws near. What You’ll Learn in This Episode with Vaneetha Risner: Why there is no “quota” for suffering—and how to reframe hardship as a means of drawing closer to Christ The false belief that obedience keeps us from pain, and what Scripture really teaches about suffering How lament gives language to our grief and creates deeper intimacy with God Practical ways to walk with others in their pain without minimizing or sermonizing Why our ultimate hope is not found in changed circumstances, but in Jesus Himself Resources & Links Mentioned: Watching for the Morning: 90 Devotionals for When Hope is Hard to Find by Vaneetha Risner CONNECT Connect with Vaneetha Facebook // Instagram // Website Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

When you put your “yes” on the table, you never know where God might lead. For Lynette Ezell, that yes has looked like navigating miscarriage, parenting biological children, adopting internationally, fostering locally, and supporting her grown daughters as they walk the same road. Through every season, God has proven faithful in both the joys and the struggles of ministry and motherhood. In this episode of the Ministry Wives Podcast, Amy Petersen sits down with Lynette Ezell—wife, mom of six, grandmother, and ministry leader. Together, they talk candidly about the highs and lows of adoption and foster care, what it means to parent through trauma, and how to keep saying yes to God even when the road is long and hard. Whether you’re considering adoption, already walking that journey, or simply want to support foster and adoptive families in your church or community, this conversation will encourage and equip you to take the next step of experiencing God’s faithfulness. What You’ll Learn in This Episode with Lynette Ezell: How God shaped Lynette’s family story through both loss and adoption What it means to keep your “yes” on the table—even when doors close The reality of parenting kids from hard places and why trauma-informed care matters Practical ways churches and ministry wives can support foster and adoptive families Why your “yes” may look different than someone else’s, but God’s faithfulness remains the same Resources & Links Mentioned: The Adopting and Fostering Home Podcast Family Advocacy Ministry (FAM) Duffel Bags for Foster Care: Launching a Restoring Dignity Ministry in Your Church Backpack Ministry Guide The Connected Child: Bring Hope and Healing to Your Adoptive Family by Karyn B. Purvis CONNECT Connect with Lynette Instagram // Email Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

Life in ministry brings both joy and heartache. But what do you do when the grief feels overwhelming? Can you still hold on to hope? In this episode of the Ministry Wives Podcast, host Amy Petersen sits down with Julie Busler—author, speaker, and Bible teacher—for an honest conversation about grief, mental health, and the sustaining hope we have in Christ. Julie shares her powerful story of walking through depression, trauma, and mental health struggles, and how God faithfully met her in the darkest valleys. Together, Amy and Julie talk about what it means to grieve with honesty, find strength in Scripture, and walk alongside others who are hurting. If you’ve ever wrestled with how to reconcile sorrow and faith—or how to care for loved ones who are suffering—this conversation will remind you that grief does not erase hope. In Christ, both can coexist as we hold fast to the promise of eternity. What You’ll Learn in This Episode with Julie Busler: How grief and hope can coexist within the Christian life Biblical encouragement for navigating depression and suffering Why lament is a vital part of spiritual growth Practical ways to support others in seasons of loss and pain And more! Resources & Links Mentioned: Hopeful Sorrow by Julie Busler Joyful Sorrow by Julie Busler Mental Illness and the Ministry Wife (an interview with Julie Busler) CONNECT Connect with Julie Facebook // Instagram // Website Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

Life in ministry often means carrying the weight of people’s stories, navigating unexpected challenges, and learning to love well even when it’s costly. If you’ve ever wrestled with how to lead with both strength and tenderness, this episode is for you. In this episode of the Ministry Wives Podcast, host Amy Petersen sits down with DeenDeen Vedoya—church planter’s wife, mom of three, and women’s ministry leader in Edmonton, Canada. DeenDeen shares her personal journey of church planting, discipleship, and discovering what it means to lead with a heart shaped by Christ’s compassion. Together, Amy and DeenDeen talk honestly about grief, generosity, and the daily choice to lead people with empathy. You’ll hear practical wisdom on cultivating curiosity, listening well, and letting God’s love flow through you in both ministry and family life. Whether you’re walking through conflict, caring for others in their suffering, or simply longing to reflect Christ more in your leadership, this conversation will remind you that compassion isn’t weakness—it’s Spirit-filled strength. What You’ll Learn in This Episode with DeenDeen Vedoya: The importance of compassion-driven leadership in ministry and motherhood Practical ways to embrace curiosity, empathy, and generosity with others How to grieve ministry losses without losing hope Encouragement for releasing expectations and trusting in God’s provision And more! CONNECT Connect with DeenDeen Instagram // Email Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

Life in ministry can feel like constant chaos—balancing church responsibilities, family needs, and the everyday mess of raising kids. If you’ve ever felt the tension between ministry demands and motherhood, you’re not alone. In this episode of the Ministry Wives Podcast, host Amy Petersen sits down with Heather Oldham—ministry wife, mom of five, and church planter’s wife—to talk honestly about parenting kids in the whirlwind of ministry life. Heather shares her personal story of growing up in a pastor’s home, raising her own family in the church planting context, and learning to find calm in the chaos. Together, Amy and Heather explore practical ways to model peace for your children, stay connected when correction is needed, and cultivate a home where ministry kids feel loved, secure, and part of the mission—not in competition with it. Whether you’re in the trenches of raising littles, navigating the teen years, or simply craving encouragement in the messiness of ministry, this conversation will remind you: Calm isn’t the absence of chaos—it’s the presence of Christ’s peace. What You’ll Learn in This Episode with Heather Oldham: How to model emotional regulation in times of high stress Practical ways to engage your kids’ hearts through curiosity Tips for helping your children name and process their emotions biblically Ways to see discipleship happening in the everyday moments And more! Resources & Links Mentioned: “Raising Church-Planting Kids: Be Their Calm in the Chaos” by Heather Oldham CONNECT Connect with Heather Facebook // Instagram // New Churches Articles Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

Welcome back to Season 7 of the Ministry Wives Podcast! In this episode, host Amy Petersen sits down with Casey Kilgore, a ministry wife of more than 20 years and part of the Send Network team. Casey opens up about the realities of navigating unexpected ministry shifts, from major transitions in her family’s calling to their bold step into full-time RV living. With honesty and wisdom, she shares what it looks like to trust God’s plan even when it feels uncertain—and how ministry wives can stay rooted in Christ through seasons of change. Whether you’re walking through a new chapter in your own ministry journey or simply want encouragement as a ministry wife, this conversation will remind you that God is faithful and that you’re not alone. What You’ll Learn in This Episode with Casey Kilgore: Why community support is essential for ministry families How trusting God’s plan means stepping into the unknown Practical ways to navigate your family’s next steps in ministry and discipleship The role of prayer in discerning God’s guidance Encouragement for church planting wives serving across the U.S. Resources & Links Mentioned: Resources for Church Planting Wives CONNECT Connect with Casey Instagram // Website // Email Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram // Website

Welcome back to Season 7 of the Ministry Wives Podcast! In this episode, host Amy Petersen sits down with Bible teacher, actress, spoken-word artist, and ministry wife Blair Linne for an honest conversation on anxiety, mental health in ministry, and trusting God when self-effort falls short. Blair shares her journey through crippling panic attacks—a struggle that inspired her book Made to Tremble—and how God used that season to teach her deeper dependence on Christ. Together, Amy and Blair discuss why Christian women in ministry must break the silence around anxiety, seek help without shame, and build supportive, gospel-centered community. What You’ll Learn in This Episode with Blair Linne: How anxiety shows up—even in the lives of ministry wives Ways to move from self-reliance to real dependence on God Practical steps for inviting safe, Christ-centered community into the struggle Why counseling and medication can be wise tools, not signs of weakness Scriptures that bring calm and clarity in moments of fear Resources & Links Mentioned: Made to Tremble: How Anxiety Became the Best Thing That Ever Happened to My Faith by Blair Linne The Attributes of God album by Shai Linne CONNECT Connect with Blair X // Instagram // Website Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram  

Welcome back to Season 7 of the Ministry Wives Podcast! We’re launching this new season with bestselling author and Bible teacher Jen Wilkin, who joins host Amy Petersen for a powerful conversation on godly wisdom, biblical discernment, and the ministry wife life. Together, they unpack common misconceptions about the Book of Proverbs, explore the differences between God’s promises and principles, and offer encouragement to women serving faithfully in ministry. What You’ll Learn in This Episode with Jen Wilkin: Practical strategies for navigating expectations as a pastor’s wife or ministry leader The role of sanctification as you grow in true wisdom Why listening to older believers’ perspectives is essential for spiritual maturity How to choose your “Grandma name” (and laugh along the way) Fresh insights into Proverbs, promises, and principles for daily life Resources & Links Mentioned: The Way of Wisdom Bible Study by Jen Wilkin, Ruth Chou Simons, Kelly Minter, Adrienne Camp, Elizabeth Woodson, and Courtney Doctor Register for In the Word with Jen Wilkin – Sept 26–27, 2025 (Brentwood, TN) Connect Connect with Jen Facebook // Instagram // Website Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

Welcome back to the third and final episode of our summer mini-series on 2 Corinthians! Join Christine Hoover as she invites her friend—pastor’s wife, mom, writer, and speaker—Kristen Wetherell to join her on the Ministry Wives Podcast. Together, they dive deeply into what reliance on the Lord looks like through the lens of chronic pain, motherhood, and the everyday realities of life as a ministry wife. From the pressure of others’ expectations to the importance of community and vulnerability, discover how God desires to be more than enough strength in your weakness as you recognize your limitations, embrace the people of God, and revel in His grace upon grace. LINKS FROM THE SHOW More than Enough by Christine Hoover From Good to Grace by Christine Hoover Gentle and Lowly by Dane Ortlund Check out Kristen’s books Subscribe to Kristen’s newsletter CONNECT Connect with Kristen Website // Instagram Connect with Christine Website // Facebook // Instagram // X Connect with NAMB Website // Facebook // Instagram // X

Welcome back to episode two of our three-part series on 2 Corinthians! Join our summertime host and founder of the podcast, Christine Hoover, as she meets up with Kristi Billingsley to explore the steadfastness of God—even amidst our toughest seasons of sorrow and loss. Tune in as Kristi shares her personal journey of grieving the loss of her young son Caden. Discover the life-giving power of unwavering faith, intentional community, and the hope-filled expectation of an eternity spent with the Lord. Learn what it means for believers to navigate the complexities of loss while drawing strength from the promises of Scripture for all who place faith in Jesus Christ. If you find yourself in a season of immense suffering, grief, or loss, we pray that you would be encouraged by the steadfastness of God and by the power of His divine strength in our weakness. May you experience the comfort of His peace that surpasses all understanding. LINKS FROM THE SHOW More than Enough by Christine Hoover One Day Closer CONNECT Connect with Kristi Website // Instagram Connect with Christine Website // Facebook // Instagram // X Connect with NAMB Website // Facebook // Instagram // X

Welcome to our special summer mini-series with Christine Hoover on the Ministry Wives Podcast! We’re so excited to launch this three-part season with Christine as she dusts off her microphone and unpacks what it means to rely on God’s strength in our weakness. Join us on the podcast as we get to spend a little time chatting with wife, mom, speaker, and author Whitney Capps! Tune in as Whitney shares her journey through life, family, and ministry while navigating the challenges of her cancer diagnosis—all through the lens of gospel hope and the strength she has received through trusting the Lord in each and every season. If you find yourself feeling overwhelmed, discouraged, or like your faith isn’t where you wish it were in the midst of your current circumstances, tune in to discover the power of God’s strength in our weakness, how He is truly more than enough in our suffering. LINKS FROM THE SHOW More than Enough by Christine Hoover Simple Seminary Theology & Other Fun Stuff Podcast We Over Me: Bible Study by Whitney Capps Sick of Me by Whitney Capps Request for Whitney to Speak! CONNECT Connect with Whitney Website // Facebook // Instagram // X Connect with Christine Website // Facebook // Instagram // X Connect with NAMB Website // Facebook // Instagram // X

Are you looking for fresh insight into the money matters of your household? Do you find yourself wondering if compensation conversations need to happen for your husband? Today, I spend time with Dr. Hance Dilbeck, the president and chief executive officer of Guidestone Financial Services. Pulling from his 30 years of pastoral ministry experience and almost 40 years of marriage to his wife Julie, Dr. Dilbeck shares the essentials for ministry couples to thrive financially, as well as how your values, mutual involvement, and willingness to ask for help can change the outcome of your family’s financial story for generations to come. LINKS FROM THE SHOW A Psalm for Unseen Servants: Encouragement for Quiet, Hidden Kingdom Work (June 2025 Pre-Order) by Dr. Hance Dilbeck 10 Money Conversations for Engaged or Newly Married Couples Contentment for a Ministry Family on a Limited Budget with Angela McClain Pastor Resources Hub Ministerial Resources Center Ministerial Tax Guide Why Opting Out of Social Security Is Not the Answer Compensation Planning Guide Retirement Planning and Advice Retirement Readiness Assessment Connecting with a Financial Educator and Advisor  Minister Financial Education Page Minister Mental Health Resources Ministers Financial Checklist CONNECT Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with Guidestone Contact // Customer Solutions Line: 1-800-98-GUIDE Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

What should you do when you feel like your ministry calling is different from your husband’s? In this episode of the Ministry Wives podcast, I get to engage in a heartfelt discussion with Susan Field—a seasoned pastor’s wife, mom of two sons, and former NYC urbanite—all about the complexities of navigating ministry passions in the various spaces the Lord calls us to. Tune in as we take a deep dive into the heavy expectations placed on ministry wives, insights into parenting and discipling in the city, and what it looks like to step out in obedience as you pursue your passions for the glory of the Lord. LINKS FROM THE SHOW My Children, My Mission Field: A Family’s Place in God’s Plan to Change the World by Susan E. Field A Church Called Graffiti: Finding Grace on the Lower East Side by Taylor Field and Jo Kadlecek Upside-Down Results: God Tags People for His Purposes by Susan E. Field Peace in a Violent World: A Look into the Garden from the City by Taylor Field and Susan E. Field UpsideDownLife.org CONNECT Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram  

So, you married a minister… now what? Whether you feel called to leadership within the church or are struggling to find your place among its people, you are a person of influence—inside the church and outside its four walls. So, how can you embrace your voice as a leader and step into this role, stewarding the personality and passions God has gifted you with? Today’s guest is pastor’s daughter, conference speaker, team builder, and leadership expert, coach, and consultant, Casey Merrifield! Together, we discuss the different types of leaders God has created to lead His church, as well as the importance of communication, self-awareness, and surrendering yourself to the Lord. LINKS FROM THE SHOW Connextion Worldwide Leadership Consulting Doxa Leaders The 5 Voices: How to Communicate Effectively with Everyone You Lead by Jeremie Kubicek and Steve Cockram 16 Personalities CONNECT Connect with Casey X // Instagram // Website Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

What is the path forward when you’re feeling overcome by expectations, racing thoughts, and the overwhelming reality of your sin? Today, I get to chat with pastor’s wife, speaker, and author Kim Hardy about embracing our unique ministry journeys—and seeing how the Lord can use it all for His glory. Together, we discuss the power of confession and the freedom found in clinging to Christ and engaging with His Word. Uncover what it means to “activate your yes,” experience true spiritual growth, and see your testimony impact others’ lives for the gospel. LINKS FROM THE SHOW Activate Your Yes: A 30-Day Faith Challenge for Women Who Want to Live Beyond Worry, Anxiety, and Fear by Kim Hardy Relaunch!: 5 Keys to Getting Past Stuck and Stress at Work and Life by Kim Hardy Kim’s YouTube channel CONNECT Connect with Kim Website // Instagram // Podcast Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

Do you keep finding yourself weighed down by your perfectionist tendencies? What about the expectations placed on you by yourself, your family, and your fellow church members? Today, I get to spend some time chatting with ministry wife, mom, and author Scarlet Hiltibidal on a life lived free from the restraints of perfectionism. From the pressures to appear perfect as a mom, wife, and ministry leader to the importance of living life in biblical community, we tackle the hard stuff that tends to bog us down as ministry wives—and the freedom we’ve found through a life lived in step with the Holy Spirit. LINKS FROM THE SHOW Afraid of All the Things: Tornadoes, Cancer, Adoption, and Other Stuff You Need the Gospel For by Scarlet Hiltibidal He Numbered the Pores on My Face: Hottie Lists, Clogged Pores, Eating Disorders, and Freedom from It All by Scarlet Hiltibidal Anxious – Teen Girls’ Bible Study Book: Fighting Anxiety with the Word of God by Scarlet Hiltibidal You’re the Worst Person in the World: Why It’s the Best News Ever that You Don’t Have it Together, You Aren’t Enough, and You Can’t Fix It on Your Own by Scarlet Hiltibidal CONNECT Connect with Scarlet Facebook // Instagram // Website Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

How can we posture ourselves to have open hands to the work that the Lord is doing–both in our personal lives and within the churches we serve? Today, I spend a few minutes chatting with Darlene Dryer, a ministry wife, mom to three daughters, leader of Replant Wife, and founder of Renewing Her Biblically. Together, we discuss a few of the inevitable changes that occur in church life and how you can navigate these transitions compassionately and effectively. Tune in to the various stages of change you may find yourself in, as well as practical tips for navigating those difficult, awkward, and grace-filled seasons of change. LINKS FROM THE SHOW “Pastors’ Wives: Identifying Stages of Change” by Darlene Dryer Replant Wife Website Replant Wife Facebook Page Lifting Him Up Prayer Guide Lifting Her Up Prayer Guide CONNECT Connect with Darlene Facebook // Instagram Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram  

Do you struggle to find your place as an introverted ministry wife in an extrovert-dominant world? Today, I’m chatting with Wall Street Journal bestselling author, podcast host, and life coach Holley Gerth about her book, The Powerful Purpose of Introverts. If you’re wondering how to lean into your calling, navigate social pressures, and bring your God-given strengths and gifts to the table, then this conversation was created for you. Tune in to discover why the world needs your introvert strengths now more than ever before. LINKS FROM THE SHOW The Power Purpose of Introverts by Holley Gerth “What % Introvert are You?” Quiz CONNECT Connect with Holley Facebook // Instagram // Website Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram  

“What’s my place in the church?” If you’ve ever found yourself wondering what your answer to this question is, then get ready for today’s chat with pastor’s wife, mom, and podcaster extraordinaire Angie Elkins as she walks through her experiences in serving within her giftedness and embracing the personality God lovingly created her with. If service to the Lord and to His church is beginning to feel like a chore, if you’re questioning what it looks like to follow His guidance amidst ministry change, or if you’re struggling to find your place to lead, then this episode was created with you and your circumstances in mind. LINKS FROM THE SHOW Let It Shine Podcast CONNECT Connect with Angie Instagram // Podcast Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

Welcome back to another episode of the Ministry Wives Podcast! Today’s guest is Bible teacher, theologian, author, and the founder of the Woodson Institute–Ms. Elizabeth Woodson! Today, host Amy Petersen spends time with Elizabeth to discuss the challenges and joys of being a ministry wife. They explore how to embrace the ministry you have, find joy in life’s disappointments, and navigate those complicated feelings of comparison. Elizabeth shares her personal journey in ministry, the importance of lament, and practical steps for moving forward when you feel stuck.  If you find yourself struggling to feel God’s love for you here in your current season of ministry, wondering how to move forward, or in need of guidance as you navigate a challenging situation, uncover the insight and resources to help you embrace your ministry wife life–all for His glory and for your good. LINKS FROM THE SHOW The Woodson Institute Embrace Your Life by Elizabeth Woodson CONNECT Connect with Elizabeth Instagram Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

Welcome back to season six of the Ministry Wives Podcast! We’re excited to launch our newest season with special guest Dr. Juli Slattery.  Do you ever feel like a volunteer in your marriage to the minister? Today, I get to spend a little time chatting with wife, mom, clinical psychologist, author, speaker, and founder of Authentic Intimacy, Dr. Juli Slattery. In our conversation, we walk through finding your place within God’s design for marriage and sex. We also discuss the intimacy and connection to be found through intentional community with those in the family of God. If you’re feeling isolated in your marriage or ministry, or if you’re not sure where to turn for insight in this area of your life, tune in to discover the insight and resources to help get your marriage relationship back on track. LINKS FROM THE SHOW Authentic Intimacy Pure Desire Ministries God, Sex, and Your Marriage by Dr. Juli Slattery Rethinking Sexuality by Dr. Juli Slattery A Celebration of Sex by Dr. Douglas Rosenau Restoring the Pleasure by Cliff and Joyce Penner Enjoy! by Joyce and Cliff Penner CONNECT Connect with Dr. Juli Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

What realistic goals or milestones can families begin to implement as they desire more freedom in their budget? Today, I am chatting with Angie McClain, a certified financial planner with GuideStone. When you feel like you’re on a limited budget, how can you handle your money effectively, live as a good steward, practice financial thoughtfulness, and teach your children well? We’re going to dive into all these areas of financial planning here in this episode! CONNECT Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram Connect with Guidestone Contact // Comprehensive Wellness Tips // Resources // Retirement Planning and Advice // Wealth Management  

How do you manage the regular rhythms of ministry while caring for your family and starting a new church? In this episode, I chat with church planting wife Joy Ross. She currently serves church planting families, has been married for over twenty years, and is a mom of six. Joy and I dive into the nuances of family life within the first few years of marriage and ministry, specifically in the church planting context. So, if you wrestle with your role in ministry and are facing tough questions like, “Is this normal? Am I weird? Are we even making a difference? Are we messing up our kids?”, I pray that this conversation will bring your concerns into the light and help diffuse their false power over you as we tether our hearts to Jesus and pursue His calling upon our lives in each new season. LINKS FROM THE SHOW Pastoral Care Line CONNECT Connect with Joy Instagram // Facebook Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

With busy schedules in ministry, how do you and your husband make time for each other? Today, I have a conversation with Margie Frank. Margie is a mom of grown kids and is a ministry wife who resides in Tyler, Texas. She teaches and speaks to women’s groups and together with her husband Hixon speaks on marriage and the family. In this episode, we talk about intimacy when you are married to the minister. Yes, my friends. We’re going to talk about emotional and physical intimacy and how easy it is to live like a church volunteer in your marriage. If this lands on your thirsty heart, I pray that our conversation will be an encouragement to you.   LINKS FROM THE SHOW God, Sex, and Your Marriage by Juli Slattery Intimate Issues by Linda Dillow and Lorraine Pintus Speak Life Podcast: Marriage with Margie and Hixon Frank CONNECT Connect with Margie Instagram Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

What are some practices that you and your husband have established to help you maintain mental wellness? In this episode, Janet Dance, wife to Guidestone’s Director of Pastoral Wellness, Mark Dance, talks specifically about loving your husband through his mental health struggles. So, if you find your minister husband struggling and feel that you have to hold it all together and do so alone, I really hope this conversation will encourage you. LINKS FROM THE SHOW GuideStone “I’m a Pastor—I Was Afraid to Admit My Diagnosis” – Newsweek Article Refresh Retreats Pastoral Care Line Mental Health Resources Start to Finish: The Pastor’s Guide to Leading a Resilient Life and Ministry CONNECT Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram  

How can we break away from unrealistic expectations in parenting that either others have set for us or we have set for ourselves? In this episode, I talk with Jeannie Cunnion. She is a preacher’s kid and understands what it’s like growing up in a ministry setting. She has five boys and has written some really beautiful grace-filled books about parenting, my favorite of which is Mom Set Free. If you are a mom who feels the “pressure to get it all right,” this conversation will meet you where you are, and I pray it will encourage you.  LINKS FROM THE SHOW Mom Set Free CONNECT Connect with Jeannie Instagram // Website Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

As ministry wives, how can we walk alongside families with disabilities in our church and community? In this episode, Missie Branch talks about special needs families in the church. Missie shares her firsthand experience and their story, which is so impactful for families like theirs and for all ministry wives who serve those families in the church. So, if you are looking to support families with special needs or if you are a ministry wife who feels left out, this episode is for you. LINKS FROM THE SHOW Guided Prayer Journal (For Teen Girls) by Missie Branch Stand for Life CONNECT Connect with Missie Instagram // Website Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

How do you navigate healthy rhythms of home life and ministry simultaneously? In this episode, I had the privilege of chatting with Tara Dew. She has loved Jesus for as long as she can remember, growing up in a Christian home and meeting her husband in the church youth group. This is such an encouraging and helpful conversation that gives some practical tips to get started with developing healthy rhythms within your home and ways to engage your kids to participate. So, if you look around your house discontented and see all the clutter and don’t know what to do about it, this episode is for you. LINKS FROM THE SHOW Ministry Training and Equipping – Past Ministry Wives Episode Prepare Her CONNECT Connect with Tara Facebook // Book Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

How do you encourage your kids to share Jesus in creative ways that are authentic to them? In this episode, Catherine Renfro, the National Director of Women’s Evangelism at the North American Mission Board, shares creative ways to weave evangelism into your kids’ lives. If you are a ministry wife who talks about Jesus at your church and to your church people but don’t know how to with your kids, we hope you’ll find encouragement in this conversation. CONNECT Connect with Catherine Facebook // Instagram Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram  

How do you manage ministry and your family during busy (or even just normal) seasons of life? In this episode, we chat with Aimee Joseph, a church-planting wife in California and a mom to three sons. She discusses ways to manage chaotic family life in a ministry family. It’s so easy to get swallowed up in the chaos, especially when it seems like life will never slow down. Aimee shares some great practical ways to enjoy the crazy chaos of a “full” life. LINKS FROM THE SHOW Knowing What Needs are Yours to Meet – Past Ministry Wives Episode Demystifying Decision-Making by Aimee Joseph You are Secure: Devotions for When Life Feels Uncertain by Aimee Joseph CONNECT Connect with Aimee Instagram // Blog Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

How do you discern the fine line between speaking up and remaining quiet with your kids as they are adulting? In this episode, Christine Hoover, the Women’s Ministry Associate at The Austin Stone Community Church’s Northwest congregation in Austin, Texas, shares insights on navigating the delicate balance of sharing information about your family while serving in ministry. Christine shares practical advice from her current season in life, guiding you on how to balance being honest about your struggles as a mom and being wise with how much you share about your kid’s life. LINKS FROM THE SHOW You are Not Forgotten by Christine Hoover Practical Wisdom for Serving with Brothers in the Church (an interview with Amy Petersen) CONNECT Connect with Christine Facebook // Instagram // Books Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

In this Season 4 finale episode of the Ministry Wives Podcast, sit down with my husband Kyle Hoover and me for another Q & A episode. We wanted to give you more details following our episode with the Mandrells. We share about how God transformed our marriage during the COVID season, how that time served as a catalyst for my new book, as well as how God has been walking with us during our current trial with one of our children.     QUOTES “I would say we did push through, but at the same time I think we gave ourselves permission to not do some of the things that we normally would’ve done, and that’s okay. And, we pushed through with community. We had people who knew what we were going through and knew that we needed prayer and space and encouragement. We didn’t just push through isolated.” -Christine Hoover “I think what I enjoyed about the book is that it’s not just a fairytale; it’s a story of trusting the Lord in the midst and believing that God will take care of you and also call upon you to trust him and obey him. I appreciate that it wasn’t just a movie script kind of an ending where it’s ‘they all ended up being happy’. It’s a gritty story of faith and trust.” -Kyle Hoover “When I think about the prayers of God’s people for us and the care, it’s like a crowd surfing at a concert. I feel like we in some ways have probably even been protected from more suffering and pain because people have carried us through and lifted us and passed us along. I love that picture because that’s what it feels like. It feels like we’re being carried not just by people, but by the Lord.” -Christine Hoover LINKS FROM THE SHOW You Are Not Forgotten  How We Love Crosspoint Ministries  CONNECT Connect with Christine Facebook // Instagram // Books Visit How to Thrive as a Pastor’s Wife to access Christine’s resources for ministry wives like you! Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

Wisely navigating relationships between men and women is a vital but sometimes difficult conversation we need to be having with one another and our husbands. In this follow-up episode, long-time ministry wife and Ministry Wife Ministry Partner Amy Petersen helps walk us through the specifics of wisely cultivating these relationships. She stresses the importance of open communication regarding boundaries and how personality and baggage play into those boundaries. Amy and Christine also discuss the role of spiritual health and how it is critical to employing wisdom and discernment in this area.   SHOW NOTES Create boundaries that both you and your husband are comfortable with. Assessing your spiritual health/maturity is critical for navigating these areas wisely.  If you do have concerns regarding a relationship, lay them out before the Lord and ask Him for wisdom and then have a conversation with your husband. QUOTES “There’s just really no set equation for how it should look. I think that it just needs to be customized based on what you’re comfortable with, as long as you’re healthy. That’s the other piece to this. Am I healthy? Is my husband healthy? Is this other person healthy? Healthiness is huge.” -Amy Petersen “I think sometimes in these situations, I might feel some things about somebody, but need to really discern, ‘Is this more of a me issue? Is this something going on with me or is this genuinely something I need to bring to my husband?’ I do think in general, if we have concerns, we should bring it to our husband, but we need to be very clear about what it is that we’re concerned about and what we’re requesting.” -Christine Hoover CONNECT Connect with Amy Facebook // Instagram // Podcast Connect with Christine Facebook // Instagram // Books Visit How to Thrive as a Pastor’s Wife to access Christine’s resources for ministry wives like you! Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

The Lord gifts each of us and our spouses so differently, and sometimes those giftings require sacrifices of different kinds as we respond to the call of the Lord in a given season. Singer/songwriter Caroline Cobb joins me today to describe her husband’s volunteer position as a lay elder at their church and how she supports him and the local church through that ministry.  SHOW NOTES Though a lay elder is unpaid, their time is invaluable and vital to the health of the church.  As a lay elder’s wife, wisdom needs to be employed to balance supporting your husband as he counsels others but also maintaining privacy of those walking through trials.  You can support your elder husband and your church through consistent prayer. QUOTES “I think when he is sharing with me what he needs support in. So I might not know all the details of a marriage that’s falling apart or who it even is, but I know that there’s a marriage falling apart and that he’s ministering to them. He won’t share their story because that’s their story to tell me. And yet, at the same time, if he didn’t tell me about it at all, I wouldn’t be able to support him and care for him as a wife. So it’s a little bit of a dance and there’s a lot of wisdom that needs to happen there.” -Caroline Cobb “As I’m praying for him, this is part of the way I’m serving our church. There’s freedom to serve in so many different ways, but part of the way I’m serving our church is by serving and loving and supporting my husband.” -Caroline Cobb LINKS FROM THE SHOW Advent for Exiles CONNECT Connect with Caroline Facebook // Instagram // Website Connect with Christine Facebook // Instagram // Books Visit How to Thrive as a Pastor’s Wife to access Christine’s resources for ministry wives like you! Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

Walking into a church for the first time can be a very scary experience for newcomers. Sometimes it feels just as scary for us to approach and invite them into our circle. Pastor’s wife, author, and podcaster Jen Oshman shares her practical tips for creating a culture of welcome within the church. Jen tells us how welcome helped draw her to Christ, reminds us who Jesus says our primary family truly is, and encourages us to embrace the awkward in welcome culture.  SHOW NOTES Treat those who are alone or new in your church with urgency. Stop what you’re doing and intentionally draw them in. Ask God during the week, “Who do you want me to have eyes to see this Sunday?” Set a tone of welcome among the leaders in your church, and make the hard choice to choose welcoming newcomers over spending time with friends on Sundays.  QUOTES “Welcome is so much more than a greeting. I need to genuinely go toward people and welcome them not just to Sunday morning, but maybe to my home after church, maybe to another small group leader’s home, maybe to a women’s Bible study. How can I take that extra step to go beyond Sunday morning and welcome them at least initially somehow into my life and into my circle?” -Jen Oshman “I think we have lost a vision for our primary family being the family of God, our primary eternal siblings, mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles. It’s not actually our biological family or our nuclear family, but HIS primary family. Our primary family is those who walk with Jesus, those who follow him.” -Jen Oshman “It’s just going to be awkward, and that’s okay.” -Jen Oshman LINKS FROM THE SHOW Welcome: Loving Your Church by Making Space for Everyone CONNECT Connect with Jen Facebook // Instagram // Website // Podcast Connect with Christine Facebook // Instagram // Books Visit How to Thrive as a Pastor’s Wife to access Christine’s resources for ministry wives like you! Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

We live in a broken world full of pain and suffering. We are bound to suffer trauma and grief; how do we navigate that pain as believers? Pastor’s wife, writer and podcaster Danielle Kelly joins the show today to share how God invited her into biblical lament as a lifestyle and how choosing to trust God’s character in the process transformed her life and relationship with Him. SHOW NOTES Biblical lament is more than crying aloud with your grief; it’s grieving with a purpose that draws you into deeper trust in God.  On the other side of entering lament with Jesus is beauty, joy, and new growth. Embrace lament as a lifestyle that will ebb and flow throughout your life. Make space for it whenever it arrives.  QUOTES “One of the things that God started to show me is that lament is beautiful because I was scared of it. I said ‘Okay, I see you inviting me into this, but I feel like it’s a dark pit that I can’t see the other side of, and I don’t know what’s at the bottom of that pit.’ But Jesus is on the other side and He has lament with a purpose, our lament is not empty. He’s a savior that knows lament well and His invitation is not something He hasn’t walked through Himself.” -Danielle Kelly “When you sit in the darkness of lament with the Lord and allow Him to comfort you, to minister to you, to speak to you…then He starts to water you. Then all of a sudden beauty comes out of it and you are able to sing. You are able to worship, you are able to have a different perspective, but it has to go through a process of sitting in the darkness and feeling all the feelings and being there.” -Danielle Kelly LINKS FROM THE SHOW Dark Clouds Deep Mercy CONNECT Connect with Danielle Instagram  // Podcast Connect with Christine Facebook // Instagram // Books Visit How to Thrive as a Pastor’s Wife to access Christine’s resources for ministry wives like you! Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram

On this special episode of the Ministry Wives Podcast, Christine hands the microphone over to Lynley and Ben Mandrell as special guest hosts. Christine and Kyle open up about a very vulnerable time in their life and marriage, the lessons God taught them, and the book that was born out of that season, “You Are Not Forgotten,” out April 23. QUOTES “I think the main thing I learned was that God really does see me, and that’s why I wrote this book. These truths are holding me now as we’re going through a whole different season of suffering. I have not doubted God in our current suffering because I know what He did for me when I felt so buried, He saw me and He pulled me out.” -Christine Hoover “One thing I learned in that time was that I often thought about ministry as outside of my home, meaning other people that are not in my family. I thought of my kids as part of my ministry, but I rarely thought about Kyle as my ministry, and we just did not carve out time for one another.  But I look back now and I see that we were giving of ourselves to everyone else except for one another, and we had to carve out some extensive time to work through these things and to come back together. I would say we haven’t just come back together, but we have a new marriage and a healthier marriage, a happier marriage.” -Christine Hoover “I think in marriage, you can just keep going on cruise control. I think having times of dedicated work towards, what are those repeated conflict points that we have? What are the things that keep popping up? Who do we want to be as a married couple moving into the future? What are our blind spots? We need to be intentional with our time and energy to realize that our marriage needs that kind of attention as well.” -Kyle Hoover LINKS FROM THE SHOW You Are Not Forgotten CONNECT Connect with Lynley and Ben Lynley Instagram // Ben Instagram // Website // Podcast  Connect with Christine Facebook // Instagram // Books Visit How to Thrive as a Pastor’s Wife to access Christine’s resources for ministry wives like you! Connect with NAMB Facebook // Instagram