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Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers
by Zach Sandberg
Welcome to "Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers," the must-listen podcast for legal professionals seeking a deep dive into the Biglaw lateral market. Join renowned legal journalist David Lat and market expert Zach Sandberg as they dissect the most significant lateral partner moves, discuss current trends in the legal industry, and provide invaluable insights into the ever-evolving ecosystem of the world's largest law firms. Featuring exclusive interviews with prominent Biglaw lawyers, General Counsels, and CEOs, "Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers" offers unique perspectives on the industry. With engaging conversations and expert analysis, "Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers" is your ultimate resource to stay ahead of the curve in the fast-paced and competitive world of Biglaw. Subscribe now and equip yourself with the knowledge needed to navigate the complex legal landscape with confidence.
Episodes
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Episode 68: David Lat and Zach Sandberg Analyze the 2024 Vault Rankings
In this epidose of "Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers," David Lat and Zach Sandberg discuss the newly released 2024 Vault Rankings. How are the Vault rankings formulated? Who moved up? Who dropped down? And why? For the Move of the Week, David discusses Norton Rose's hiring of a 12 attorney team from...
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Episode 67: Bridget McCormack, CEO of the American Arbitration Association, on Creating Access to Justice and the Future of Dispute Resolution
This week, on "Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers," we interview Chief Justice Bridget Mary McCormack, CEO and President of the American Arbitration Association (AAA). Bridget served as the Chief Justice of the Michigan Supreme Court before assuming leadership of the AAA. In this episode, we journey...
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Episode 66: Kyle Gann, Winston & Strawn Corporate Partner on the Struggle, Acceptance and Servanthood
In this episode of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, we go down the rabbit hole with Kyle Gann, corporate partner at Winston & Strawn. Kyle defied his father's advice and became a lawyer anyway, overcoming an injury that nearly snatched his dream of becoming an attorney from his grasp. On the show…
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Episode 65: David Lat and Zach Sandberg Dissect the 2023 Am Law 200 Law Firm Rankings
This week, on Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, our hosts David Lat and Zach Sandberg do a deep dive on the most recent set of the American Lawyer's famed law firm rankings—both the Am Law 100 ranking, which came out last month, and the Second Hundred ranking, which was just released. Who is moving…
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Episode 64: Melissa Saleh, Co-Founder of FairPlay AI on Career Throughlines, Storytelling, and Disrupting an Industry
This week, on Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, our hosts speak with Melissa Saleh, whose start-up, FairPlay AI, is introducing AI-powered models that increase fairness and profits for lenders. Melissa and David go back twenty years to the early days of blogging when Melissa shook up the legal…
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Episode 63: Katherine Allen, CEO and Co-Founder of Flo Recruit on Innovating Firm Recruitment
This week on Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, we sit down with Katherine Allen, CEO and Co-Founder of Flo Recruit, a company making waves in the way both law schools and law firms orchestrate their recruitment processes. Katherine tells us the story of how she started innovating in the legal…
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Episode 62 - Colin Levy, Evangelist and Director of Legal at Malbek on Legal Tech
In this episode of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, we tackle all things legal technology with Colin Levy, a thought leader in the field. In his current role as Evangelist and Director of Legal at Malbek, Colin acts as a luminary for those not yet accustomed to rapidly-evolving technology and the...
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Episode 61 - Pierre Gentin, Chief Legal Officer at McKinsey & Co, on Passion and Professionalism
In this episode, we have a deep, thoughtful conversation with Pierre Gentin, McKinsey's Chief Legal Officer and the first non-consultant elected a senior partner in the firm's almost 100-year history. Pierre defines the elements of excellence to which attorneys can aspire while waxing…
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Episode 60: Breaking Barriers - Husch Blackwell's Emily Logan Stedman on Navigating Partnership, Mental Health Advocacy, and Female Leadership in Law
Join David Lat and Zach Sandberg on Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers as they chat with Emily Logan Stedman, newly appointed partner at Husch Blackwell and advocate for lawyer well-being. Emily shares her journey to partnership, her commitment to mental health in the legal community, and how she...
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Episode 59: Exploring Finance and Mentorship - A Conversation with DLA Piper's Matt Schwartz
Join David Lat and Zach Sandberg on Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers as they chat with Matt Schwartz, Practice Group Leader and Chair of the US Finance Group at DLA Piper. Matt shares his journey from starting at DLA Piper to running finance transactions to leading the US practice group. He also…
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Episode 58: Kannon Shanmugam, Paul, Weiss Partner - Mastering Supreme Court Advocacy & Pioneering Leadership
Join us on Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, where hosts David Lat and Zach Sandberg sit down with Kannon Shanmugam, one of the nation's preeminent Supreme Court advocates. A partner at Paul, Weiss, Kannon serves as chair of the firm's Supreme Court and appellate practice, chair of the D.C. office…
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Episode 57: Lateral Link Principal, Summer Eberhard on Shaping Legal Careers: Insights into Recruiting, Diversity, and Industry Trends
In this episode of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, join us as we chat with Summer Eberhard, a Principal in our California and Seattle offices. Summer shares her journey from attorney to legal recruiter and delves into the recruiting scene across California and Seattle, highlighting the changing...
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Episode 56: From Mathematics to Legal Mastery: Gene Phillips on Litigation Finance and Growing Law Firms
In this Movers, Shakers, and Rainmakers episode, David Lat and Zach Sandberg engage in an insightful discussion with Gene Phillips, founder of Lexangle, a leading legal-consulting firm. Gene describes his interesting journey from mathematics to finance to litigation finance to legal consulting.…
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Episode 55: Robert Ingalls, CEO of LawPods - Transforming Lawyer Marketing
On the latest installment of Movers, Shakers, and Rainmakers, we chat with Robert Ingalls, Founder & CEO of LawPods, to explore his transition from legal practice to revolutionizing podcasting for lawyers. In a detailed discussion, Robert tackles the challenges law firms face in marketing,...
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Episode 54: Breaking New Ground - Milbank's Salary Surge and the 2023 Lateral Market Lowdown
On this week's episode of Movers, Shakers, and Rainmakers, we take a deep dive into the 2023 lateral market. Join us as we unpack Milbank's trailblazing associate salary increase, setting an unprecedented $225K floor and reaching heights of $425K. Our hosts sift through the intricacies of the...
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Episode 53: Navigating Legal Education with Anastasia Boyko - Innovation, Leadership, and 'Unicorn Talent'
In this unmissable podcast episode, we're joined by Anastasia Boyko, Director of Non-JD Programs at the University of Utah S.J. Quinney College of Law, who shares her remarkable journey from Soviet-era Ukraine to a pivotal role in legal education. Anastasia looks back on her law school days…
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Episode 52: The Inspiring Career of Brown Rudnick's Camille Vasquez—Plus Navigating the Spotlight in Depp v. Heard
Join us for a compelling conversation with Camille Vasquez, Partner at Brown Rudnick and Co-chair of the Firm's Brand & Reputation Management Group, as we delve into her remarkable career, especially her pivotal role in the headline-grabbing Depp v. Heard case. Camille describes her unusual...
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Episode 51: Redefining Legal Operations with AI - Michael Heise Unpacks haistack.ai's Profit-Protection Potential
In our latest episode of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers: The Biglaw Lateral Market, we dive deep into the intricate melding of recruitment, technology, and the legal industry with Michael Heise, CTO of haistack.ai. Enhanced by years of legal data and insights from Lateral Link and its expert team,...
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Episode 50: Navigating Mental Wellness in Law - An Insightful Chat with Jordana Confino
In our latest episode of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers: The Biglaw Lateral Market, we delve into the timely and crucial topic of mental health in the legal profession with Jordana Alter Confino, Founder of JC Coaching & Consulting and Adjunct Professor of Law at Fordham University School of Law....
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Episode 49: A Conversation with Marta Ricardo, Director of Lawyering Skills and Assistant Dean of Professionalism at Fordham Law
Join us for a new episode of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, as we welcome Marta Ricardo, the dynamic Director of Lawyering Skills and Assistant Dean of Professionalism at Fordham Law. Charting her course from big law into finance before transitioning into academia, Marta delivers insights about…
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Episode 48: Daren Firestone - White House, Crypto Whistleblowing & High-Profile Cases
Dive into our latest Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers episode as we engage with Daren Firestone, name partner at Levy Firestone Muse. We explore his time in government, including service as a federal prosecutor and White House lawyer; his shift to private practice; and his fascinating practice...
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Episode 47: Decoding Politics & Law - A Deep Dive with Mattathias Schwartz
Get ready for an engrossing episode of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers. We're thrilled to host acclaimed writer Mattathias Schwartz, the Chief National Security Correspondent for Insider, who is renowned for his cutting-edge investigations and in-depth journalism. Together we navigate an array of...
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Episode 46: Elevating Legal Practice through Strategic Advising with Amy Mallow
In our newest Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers: The Biglaw Lateral Market episode, we welcome Amy Mallow from Vertex Advisors LLC. Amy discusses her career journey from the courtroom to the classroom, followed by the world of consulting for legal professionals. Drawing on her varied experiences…
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Episode 45: Strategic Marketing in Law with Legal Marketing Expert Stefanie Marrone
In our latest episode of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, we're thrilled to host Stefanie Marrone, a remarkable leader at the intersection of marketing and business development for legal professionals. Marrone discusses how she found her way into consulting, as she sheds light on the common…
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Episode 44: Charles "Chuck" Curtis, President, CLCurtis31 Consulting
In the latest installment of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, our hosts chat with Charles "Chuck" Curtis, legal industry veteran and the recent founder of CLCurtis31 Consulting. Chuck shares invaluable insight into the evolution of lateral partner hiring over the years, examining the complex factors...
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Episode 43: Ed Wisneski, Hiring Partner, Rimon Law
In the latest episode of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, our hosts have an insightful conversation with Ed Wisneski, Hiring Partner at Rimon Law. Delving deep into the unique aspects of Rimon's platform, Ed identifies the characteristics that set his law firm apart from more conventional ones,...
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Episode 42: Allie Fennell, Managing Director, Lateral Link Southeast
In the latest episode of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, our hosts welcome Lateral Link Managing Director and Southeast market leader, Allie Fennell. They explore the dynamic growth of the legal market in the Southeast, focusing on recent Am Law expansions in Atlanta and Nashville. Allie shares...
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Episode 41: 2023 Am Law 100 Rankings - In-Depth Insights & Analysis
Last week, you immersed yourself in a comprehensive analysis of the 2023 Am Law rankings, which appeared on Above the Law. This week, join us for the latest episode of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, where we take a deeper dive into the fascinating details of these eagerly anticipated rankings. Our...
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Episode 40: Darren Heitner, Founder, HEITNER LEGAL
Renowned founder, lawyer, professor, and journalist Darren Heitner joins hosts David Lat and Zach Sandberg in the latest episode of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers. Together, they delve into the captivating story of a true industry innovator. Darren's extraordinary legal journey, which began with a...
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Episode 39: 2023 Q1 Legal Market Update
In this exciting new episode of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, hosts David Lat and Zach Sandberg offer a comprehensive analysis of the legal market landscape in Q1, providing a fascinating deep dive into the inner workings of the industry. As the first quarter winds down, they examine the current...
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Episode 38: Artificial Intelligence (AI) & The Legal World with haistack.ai CTO, Michael Heise
Are you ready to revolutionize the legal world? On our latest episode of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, our hosts interview Michael Heise, legal tech expert and CTO of Haistack.AI, who is at the forefront of transforming the legal industry with its groundbreaking AI software. Join our hosts as…
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Episode 37: The Washington D.C. Legal Market with Lateral Link Managing Director, Steven Rushing
In this episode of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, our esteemed hosts are joined by Steven Rushing, Managing Director at Lateral Link and leader of the Washington, D.C. team. Steven describes his own time as a practicing IP lawyer and how it has equipped him to be a valuable resource for attorneys…
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Episode 36: Zain Atassi, Lateral Link Principal & Regional Leader for Chicago
This week, on Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, our hosts discuss the legal market in Chicago and the Midwest with Zain Atassi, Lateral Link Principal and leader of the Chicago team. Zain chronicles her journey from practicing as a litigator for six years at various Chicago-based firms before...
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Episode 35: Brian Potts, Environment & Energy Partner, Perkins Coie
Big law partner? Check. Entrepreneur? Check. Inventor? Check. Mentor? Check. This week, on Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, our hosts are joined by a true mover and shaker, Perkins Coie Environment & Energy partner Brian Potts. Brian is not your typical Biglaw partner and in this episode, he…
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Episode 34: Layli Miller-Muro, Founder, Tahirih Justice Center
Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers is back with our first episode of 2023! This week, our hosts were joined by one of the most impactful guests we've ever had on the show. Layli Miller-Muro, former Biglaw and Department of Justice attorney, founded and led the Tahirih Justice Center for over…
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Episode 33: 2022 Biglaw Moves, Trends, and 2023 Market Expectations
Which firms made the most prominent partner hires? Which firms added the most attorneys? And which practice areas were the most impacted by market factors in 2022? Our hosts are back for their final episode of the year to highlight some major moves, trends, and factors that will determine how the...
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Episode 32: Lindsay Hutner, Co-Chair of Greenberg Traurig's Labor & Employment Practice's Employment Litigation & Trials Group
On the latest episode of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, our hosts are joined by Greenberg Traurig Shareholder and Co-Chair of the firm's Labor & Employment Practice's Employment Litigation & Trials Group, Lindsay Hutner. Lindsay discusses how being herself has helped her achieve success in her…
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Episode 31: Tony Thai, CEO & Chief Engineer, HyperDraft Inc.
On this week's episode of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, our hosts are joined by HyperDraft CEO and Chief Engineer, Tony Thai. Tony started his career as a software developer before practicing for several large law firms and companies. In 2021, Tony left his career as an attorney to fully invest…
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Episode 30: 2022 Legal Market Roundup (2023 Preview)
Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers is back for our 30th episode! This week, our hosts dissect the 2022 legal market, discuss how firms are reacting to economic uncertainty, what to expect on end-of-year bonuses, and why there is still optimism that the lateral market will be able to withstand a…
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Episode 29: Caleb Vesey, Corporate Partner, Willkie Farr & Gallagher
Last week, our hosts were joined by Caleb Vesey, a corporate partner at Willkie Farr & Gallagher. Caleb discussed Wilkie's recent growth, especially in the California market, and what factors are attracting young associates to the firm. Caleb also chronicled his legal journey to partnership at...
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Episode 28: Marina Torres, Experienced Litigator and Federal Prosecutor
On this week's episode of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, our hosts are joined by Marina Torres, an experienced litigator and federal prosecutor with over 30 trials in federal and state courts, as well as a recent candidate for the post of Los Angeles City Attorney. As the daughter of undocumented...
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Episode 27: Laura Zagar, Office Managing Partner, Perkins Coie
This week on Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, our hosts chat with Laura Zagar, an energy and environmental lawyer at Perkins Coie, where she serves as Office Managing Partner for San Francisco. Laura discusses trends in the energy- and environmental-law spaces and the trajectory of her own career,...
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Episode 26: Christopher D. Ahn, Corporate Partner, Proskauer
On this week's episode of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, we are joined by Chris Ahn, Corporate Partner at Proskauer in Los Angeles. Chris chronicles his journey to making partner, his transition into serving as General Counsel for the esteemed fashion label James Perse, and his ultimate return to...
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Episode 25: Explaining The Various Law Firm Rankings
If you're in the world of Biglaw, odds are you've come across various law firm rankings, including the Vault 100, Am Law 100, Global 100, Legal 500, and Chambers rankings. What are the differences between all these different rankings? What are their uses—and their limitations? How do firms move…
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Episode 24: Chief of Staff of Edelson PC, Kelsey McCann
On today's episode of Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers, our hosts are joined by the Chief of Staff of Edelson PC, Kelsey McCann, to chat about the exciting world of high-stakes plaintiffs' work. Kelsey discusses Edelson's growth and success, what cases the firm is focusing on and their social impact,...
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Episode 23: The Lateral Partner Market
When we hear the word "recession," typically some panic may kick in. But what does a potential recession mean for the lateral partner market? Gloria Sandrino, Lateral Link Managing Principal and Global Chair of Partner & Group Recruiting, joined our hosts to discuss how a recession might actually...
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Episode 22: Justin Savage, Global Co-Leader of the Environmental Practice, Sidley Austin
With the environment at the forefront of everyone's minds thanks to the recent SCOTUS decision on West Virginia v EPA, our hosts chat with Justin Savage, the global co-leader of the Environmental practice at Sidley Austin LLP. Join Justin and our hosts as they discuss what the decision means, how...
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Episode 21: Lateral Market Update & Impact of SCOTUS Rulings on Biglaw
After a short break, Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers: The Biglaw Lateral Market is back with A LOT to unpack! David Lat breaks down SCOTUS rulings from the past two weeks and their impact on Biglaw, while Zach Sandberg discusses which markets are growing in 2022—and how, despite some negative...
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Episode 20: Andre Gharakhanian, Founder, Silicon Legal Strategy
This week, on Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers: The Biglaw Lateral Market, our hosts chat with a true gamechanger in the legal world: Andre Gharakhanian, the founder of Silicon Legal Strategy. Andre joins our hosts to discuss what 2021 was like for Emerging Companies and Venture Capital ("EC/VC")...
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Episode 19: Craig Brown, CEO, Bridgeline Solutions
Welcome back to Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers! This week, our hosts chat with Bridgeline Solutions CEO and a pioneer in the legal staffing industry, Craig Brown. Last week, Craig co-chaired the 2022 Milton Handler Lecture in New York, and he joined our hosts to discuss the history of the event and...
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Welcome to "Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers," the must-listen podcast for legal professionals seeking a deep dive into the Biglaw lateral market. Join renowned legal journalist David Lat and market expert Zach Sandberg as they dissect the most significant lateral partner moves, discuss current trends in the legal industry, and provide invaluable insights into the ever-evolving ecosystem of the world's largest law firms. Featuring exclusive interviews with prominent Biglaw lawyers, General Counsels, and CEOs, "Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers" offers unique perspectives on the industry. With engaging conversations and expert analysis, "Movers, Shakers & Rainmakers" is your ultimate resource to stay ahead of the curve in the fast-paced and competitive world of Biglaw. Subscribe now and equip yourself with the knowledge needed to navigate the complex legal landscape with confidence.
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Zach Sandberg
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