Not Just Football with Cam Heyward

Former Steelers first-round pick Bud Dupree joins Cam and Hayden to relive draft night, brotherhood in the Steel City locker room, the injuries that derailed a Super Bowl run, and life after football. Follow NOT JUST FOOTBALL ▶ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NotJustFootballwithCamHeyward🎙 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0Py0rE0DfeHIcnel7pyVHr?si=42f5daf868194324 🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/not-just-football-with-cam-heyward/id1633134223 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/notjustfootball🐦 Twitter/X: https://x.com/NotJustFootball 🎵 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@notjustfootball For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] #BudDupree #CamHeyward #PittsburghSteelers #NFL #SteelersNation #NFLPodcast #NotJustFootball #TJWatt #NFLDraft #KentuckyFootball #RyanShazier #NFLDefense #FootballPodcast #EdgeRusher #SteelersFootball Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Super Bowl-winning coach Jon Gruden joins Cam Heyward and Hayden for war stories from Green Bay, the Raiders, and Tampa Bay — plus his two biggest coaching regrets. Follow NOT JUST FOOTBALL ▶ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NotJustFootballwithCamHeyward 🎙 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0Py0rE0DfeHIcnel7pyVHr?si=42f5daf868194324 🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/not-just-football-with-cam-heyward/id1633134223 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/notjustfootball 🐦 Twitter/X: https://x.com/NotJustFootball 🎵 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@notjustfootball For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] #JonGruden #CamHeyward #NFL #Steelers #Raiders #BuccaneersFootball #SuperBowl #NFLPodcast #FootballPodcast #QuarterbackWhisperer #BrettFavre #AntonioBrown #NFLDraft #CollegeFootball #NFLCoaching #TampaBayBuccaneers #NotJustFootball #NFLHistory Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Pittsburgh Steelers legend and Pro Football Hall of Famer Rod Woodson joins Not Just Football for a deep dive into his 17-year NFL career! Follow NOT JUST FOOTBALL ▶ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NotJustFootballwithCamHeyward 🎙 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0Py0rE0DfeHIcnel7pyVHr?si=42f5daf868194324 🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/not-just-football-with-cam-heyward/id1633134223 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/notjustfootball 🐦 Twitter/X: https://x.com/NotJustFootball 🎵 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@notjustfootball For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] #RodWoodson #PittsburghSteelers #NFL #ProFootballHOF #NotJustFootball #SteelersNation #BaltimoreRavens #OaklandRaiders #NFLHallOfFame #ChuckNoll #BillCowher #FootballPodcast #NFLHistory #SteelCurtain #NFLLegends Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Marcus Freeman joins Not Just Football to discuss his journey from standout linebacker at Ohio State to becoming the head coach at Notre Dame. He shares lessons on leadership, recruiting, handling pressure, and developing NFL talent. Marcus also opens up about faith, family, coaching philosophy, and the relationships that have shaped his career both on and off the field. For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] #MarcusFreeman #NotreDameFootball #FightingIrish #CollegeFootball #CFB #OhioStateFootball #buckeyesfootball Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Eric Ebron joins Not Just Football for a wide-ranging conversation covering his NFL journey, locker room stories from Detroit, Indy, and Pittsburgh, and his retirement at 28. Plus: Bill Belichick takes over UNC, Jim Irsay tales, and much more! For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] #NotJustFootball #EricEbron #NFL #PittsburghSteelers #SteelerNation #DetroitLions #IndianapolisColts #NFLPodcast #CamHeyward #Football Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Darnell Washington joins Not Just Football fresh off signing his 4-year $42 million extension with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Cam and the crew dig into the contract signing, Connor Heyward's departure, what it's like being a 6'7" tight end that corners genuinely fear, back-to-back national championships at Georgia, and what fatherhood has done to him. One of the most players humans in the NFL. Follow NOT JUST FOOTBALL ▶ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NotJustFootballwithCamHeyward 🎙 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0Py0rE0DfeHIcnel7pyVHr?si=42f5daf868194324 🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/not-just-football-with-cam-heyward/id1633134223 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/notjustfootball 🐦 Twitter/X: https://x.com/NotJustFootball 🎵 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@notjustfootball For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] 00:00:04 Intro | Darnell Washington Signs 4-Year 42M Deal 00:00:30 What Was the Past Week Like Signing the Contract? 00:01:17 Connor Heyward Leaving & What He Said on His Way Out 00:01:39 Was He Surprised Connor Was Leaving? 00:02:32 The 2022 Draft Class: Joey, Keanu, Nick & More 00:03:40 Did He Have Nerves Leading Up to Signing? 00:05:24 Pajama Deal? Darnell's Love for Pajama Pants 00:06:35 Managing His Weight: From 290 to 315 in Year One 00:10:12 Connor Heyward's Locker Room Handoff Practice Stories 00:11:00 Growing Up in Las Vegas: Financial Hardship & Sleeping in a U-Haul 00:14:18 Time in Foster Care & How It Molded Him 00:15:39 High School Basketball Star: Did He Think About Playing in College? 00:16:42 Finding His Basketball Highlights 00:18:35 Did Georgia Ever Ask Him to Play Tackle? 00:21:18 Two National Championships at Georgia: What That Program Was Like 00:24:11 From Blocker to Breakout: 28 Catches 454 Yards in 2022 00:25:30 Did He Know Brock Bowers Was Going to Be That Good? 00:27:22 The 2022 College Playoff Semifinal vs. Ohio State 00:31:08 The NFL Combine & Draft Experience 00:34:46 First Meeting With the Steelers 00:35:22 What They Asked Him in Pre-Draft Meetings 00:35:58 Welcome to the NFL Moment 00:38:25 Does Anyone Talk Trash to Him? 00:40:10 Breaking Down the Viral Play: Driving a Defender Into the End Zone 00:42:44 Mount Washington: What Its Like Being 6'7" on the Field 00:43:55 Getting Flexed Out Wide — Are Corners Nervous? 00:45:03 Breaking Down His Best Route on Film 00:47:10 How Hard Is Everyday Life at His Size? 00:47:41 The Ireland Flight Story 00:49:07 Being a Girl Dad & What Having Daughters Has Done to Him 00:52:04 Outro & Thank You 00:52:33 How Old Is Darnell Washington Really? #NotJustFootball #DarnellWashington #PittsburghSteelers #Steelers #NFL #TightEnd #SteelerNation #CamHeyward #NFLPodcast #football Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nick Herbig joins Just Football to celebrate his massive $100 million contract extension with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Nick breaks down the moment he found out the deal was done, what it means to be a Steeler for life, and the role his big brother played in shaping his career. He opens up about learning from TJ Watt and Alex Highsmith, the intense Wisconsin summer workouts, his growing sack totals, and the mental stress of the contract negotiation process. Plus, Nick talks Aaron Rodgers, his Hawaii roots, the "Area 51" nickname, and plays a Steelers-only 20-0 Draft game to close things out. Follow NOT JUST FOOTBALL ▶ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NotJustFootballwithCamHeyward 🎙 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0Py0rE0DfeHIcnel7pyVHr?si=42f5daf868194324 🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/not-just-football-with-cam-heyward/id1633134223 📸 Instagram Reels: https://www.instagram.com/notjustfootball/reels/ 🐦 Twitter/X: https://x.com/NotJustFootball 🎵 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@notjustfootball 00:00:00 Intro | Nick Herbig Signs $100M Contract 00:01:05 The Moment He Found Out the Deal Was Done 00:02:27 A Steeler for Life — What That Means to Him 00:02:59 Family at the Signing & What It Means for Them 00:03:39 Big Bro's Role: Why Nick Became an Edge Rusher 00:05:11 TJ Watt, Alex Highsmith & the Steelers Edge Trio 00:06:14 Jack Sawyer Breakout Year Prediction 00:07:04 Inside TJ's Wisconsin Workouts 00:08:56 Growing Up in Hawaii & Saint Louis High School 00:09:55 High School Rivalry: Saint Louis Top 5 Nation Debate 00:11:23 Dylan Gabriel Rivalry: High School to the NFL 00:13:06 Aaron Rodgers Training Camp Rivalry & Poker Story 00:14:19 What Nick Has Learned From Aaron Rodgers 00:16:57 Wisconsin to Pittsburgh: 4th Round Pick, Proving Himself 00:17:45 The Moment He Wasn't Ready (New England Rookie Year) 00:18:42 Draft Day vs. Signing $100M — Which Hits Different? 00:20:17 The Responsibility That Comes With a Big Contract 00:21:29 TJ Watt Spot Rack Obsession & Film Study 00:24:03 Sack Totals Every Year — Can He Hit 9.5 This Season? 00:24:25 The One Sack He Wishes He Had Back (Josh Allen) 00:24:41 TJ's Stolen Sacks & the Cowboys Controversy 00:26:05 The Play Where Cam Almost Got Hurt 00:27:05 Favorite Sack of 2024: Ravens Game, Lamar Jackson 00:27:41 Does Nick Care About Pass Rush Win Rate & PFF Grades? 00:30:39 Forcing the Fumble on Derrick Henry 00:32:54 Summer Workout Competitiveness With TJ & Alex 00:33:32 NHL Gaming at Camp — TJ & Alex vs. Nick & Cam 00:35:28 Patrick Graham as New DC & What That Means 00:36:25 Advice for Joey Porter Jr. & Keanu Neal on Their Contracts 00:37:06 How Stressful Was the Contract Negotiation Process? 00:37:52 Deleting Social Media & the Mental Toll of Uncertainty 00:39:02 Adjusting to Pittsburgh After Growing Up in Hawaii 00:40:26 Hawaii Trip on Nick's Dime? Private Jet Talk 00:41:25 Mount Rushmore of Wisconsin Badgers Players 00:42:27 Mount Rushmore of Ohio State Players 00:43:55 The Area 51 Nickname Explained 00:44:55 Steelers Fantasy Draft Game 00:56:13 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Pro Bowl tight end Darren Waller opens up about football, mental health, sobriety, career setbacks and accomplishments, personal growth, and what he's learned through it all. Darren Waller Interview Starts: 25:29 Follow NOT JUST FOOTBALL ▶ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NotJustFootballwithCamHeyward 🎙 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0Py0rE0DfeHIcnel7pyVHr?si=42f5daf868194324 🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/not-just-football-with-cam-heyward/id1633134223 📸 Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/notjustfootball/ 🐦 Twitter/X: https://x.com/NotJustFootball 🎵 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@notjustfootball For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One of the most respected and dominant centers of his era, Pouncey spent a decade setting the tone for Pittsburgh football. He joins Cam, Hayden, and Joey to talk football, leadership, locker room culture, life after the NFL, and so much more. Follow NOT JUST FOOTBALL ▶ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NotJustFootballwithCamHeyward 🎙 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0Py0rE0DfeHIcnel7pyVHr?si=42f5daf868194324 🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/not-just-football-with-cam-heyward/id1633134223 📸 Instagram Reels: https://www.instagram.com/notjustfootball/reels/ 🐦 Twitter/X: https://x.com/NotJustFootball 🎵 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@notjustfootball For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] 0:00 Cam Check In 5:24 Maurkice Pouncey Interview Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Steelers legendary linebacker from 1992-2000 and All-American at Clemson. Levon joins Cam and Hayden to talk almost fighting Greg Lloyd, how he excelled as linebacker at his size, war stories from pro football, and so much more! For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] 0:00 Cam & Hayden 9:39 Levon Kirkland Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One of the greatest players to EVER touch a football field and a Pittsburgh legend; Aaron Donald joins to talk a possibility of a comeback, growing up being a Steelers fan, and what makes him train so hard. Follow NOT JUST FOOTBALL YouTube Instagram Reels Twitter/X TikTok For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #nfl #steelers #pittsburghsteelers #football #superbowl #nfldraft #sports #podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It's a family affair with the Porters! Joey Porter Jr. and Joey Porter Sr. join to talk current and past Steeler teams, what it was like growing up in the Steeler locker rooms, and more! And former head of the NFLPA, JC Trettor joins! 0:00 Joey Porter Jr. 22:26 JC Tretter Follow NOT JUST FOOTBALL ▶ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NotJustFootballwithCamHeyward 🎙 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0Py0rE0DfeHIcnel7pyVHr?si=42f5daf868194324 🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/not-just-football-with-cam-heyward/id1633134223 📸 Instagram Reels: https://www.instagram.com/notjustfootball/reels/ 🐦 Twitter/X: https://x.com/NotJustFootball 🎵 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@notjustfootball For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A 2000's Steeler legend reunion with Cam and Hayden in Pittsburgh! Legendary D-Linemen Brett Keisel, dominant Nose Tackle Casey Hampton, the architect Kevin Colbert, and, of course, Joey Porter Sr. 0:00 Brett Keisel & Casey Hampton 36:22 Kevin Colbert Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward and Hayden Walsh are LIVE at the NFL Draft in Pittsburgh at the Heinz History Museum! They are joined by last year's Steelers' first round pick; Derrick Harmon, rising star Y.A. Black, and pro bowl special teamer Ben Skowronek! 0:00 Ben Skowronek 40:07 Derrick Harmon & YA Black For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward, Hayden Walsh, and Joey Porter are LIVE at the NFL Draft in Pittsburgh! They are joined by the Ohio St. duo Will Howard and Jack Sawyer, star tight end Pat Freiermuth, and star pass rusher Alex Highsmith. For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] 0:00 Will Howard & Jack Sawyer 21:21 Pat Freiermuth 35:48 Alex Highsmith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward and Hayden Walsh welcome The Director of Player Development for the Pittsburgh Steelers: Darrel Young. One of the most underrated parts of how The Steelers get work done, DY has endless stories being on the sideline with Aaron Rodgers and Mike T, helping rookies get acclimated to NFL life, and trying to make an NFL roster. For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward and Hayden Walsh welcome Steelers safety DeShon Elliott. Coming off a season ending injury, we ask DeShon how he looks to bounce back, his terrible offseason decision, and DeShon questions Wilt Chamberlain's 100 point game. For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #DeShonElliott #nfl #steelerspodcast #steelers #football Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward and Hayden Walsh welcome Ohio State Football's Head Coach Ryan Day. They talk everything from this upcoming NFL Draft, Coach Day's rise to become Ohio State's coach, losing Joe Burrow to LSU, and so much more! For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] 0:00 Hiring Former NFL Coaches 3:05 Growing Up With Chip Kelly 6:05 Hiring Chip Kelly 7:21 Getting Hired By Urban Meyer 8:46 Becoming Ohio St. Head Coach 11:02 Developing Top Tier QBs 13:25 One Game You Wish You Could Have Back 14:22 Leave No Doubt 15:02 Did You Know Joe Burrow Was Gonna Be That Good? 16:50 Winning The National Championship 18:30 Expectations From Fans 20:05 Winning Rivalry Game 21:15 Will Howard and Jack Sawyer 23:05 Nipple Ring 23:30 Will Howard Commercial 24:10 The Next Great Ohio St. WR 27:04 Caleb Downs 29:10 1st Round Draft Picks 30:10 Recruiting At Ohio State 31:45 How Did You Keep Jeremiah Smith? 33:50 Coach Tressel 34:30 Advice From Ohio St. Coaches 36:13 Importance of Mental Health 38:17 Having Alumni Come Back 39:50 Coaching Your Son 42:20 Favorite Ohio State Jersey 43:17 ASK CAM ANYTHING Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward and Hayden Walsh welcome Connor Heyward back to Not Just Football, but this time as a Las Vegas Raider. The guys break down what the free agency process really felt like from Connor's side, what drew him to Vegas, and the emotional reality of leaving Pittsburgh. For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Cam and Hayden are joined by one of the greatest to ever do it, Lil Wayne. They dive into Wayne’s journey from a young prodigy to a global icon, his connection to sports, and how he views the game today both in music and the NFL. #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #NFLPodcast#lilwayne #hiphop #neworleans #packers #steelers For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] 0:00 Talking NFL Free agency, Cam's extension, & Connor Heyward's new team 21:22 Lil Wayne Interview Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hayden & Cam welcome a special third host: Joey Porter Sr. Today we have rising star (And recently PAID) WR of the Indianapolis Colts: Alec Pierce As well as one of the best defensive linemen in the NFL, and the 2025 Walter Payton Man of The Year Nominee for the Tennessee Titans: Jeffery Simmons #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #NFLPodcast #SuperBowl #CoachingCarousel #ProBowl #SteelersPodcast #NFLTalk #HereWeGo For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] Timestamps 0:00 Preview 10:20 Jeffery Simmons 27:31 Alec Pierce 44:01 HUGE EPISODE NEXT WEEK Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hayden & Cam welcome a special third host: Joey Porter Sr. Today we have the voice of CFB and NFL Thursday Night Football: Kirk Herbstreit, as well as Panthers and Ravens HOF WR: Steve Smith Sr. #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #NFLPodcast #SuperBowl #CoachingCarousel #ProBowl #SteelersPodcast #NFLTalk #HereWeGo For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] 0:00 Intro 1:55 Kirk Herbstreit 26:47 Steve Smith Sr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

🚨 BIG WEEK. BIG GUESTS. 🚨 Hayden & Cam welcome a special third host: Joey Porter Sr., live from Radio Row at Super Bowl LX 🏈🔥 Today we have current Ravens linebacker Kyle Van Noy, NFL Insider Jay Glazer, and NBC Sports Host Maria Taylor. 0:00 Intro 1:23 Kyle Van Noy 38:30 Jay Glazer 1:00:14 Maria Taylor #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #NFLPodcast #SuperBowl #CoachingCarousel #ProBowl #SteelersPodcast #NFLTalk #HereWeGo For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

🚨 BIG WEEK. BIG GUESTS. 🚨 Hayden & Cam welcome a special third host this week: Joey Porter Sr., live from Radio Row at Super Bowl LX 🏈🔥 Today we have Co-Host of the Pivot Podcast, former NFL linebacker, and teammate of Joey Porter's in Miami: Channing Crowder with WILD NFL stories from their playing days. #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #NFLPodcast #SuperBowl #CoachingCarousel #ProBowl #SteelersPodcast #NFLTalk #HereWeGo For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] 0:00 Intro 0:38 Channing Crowder Interview Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

🚨 BIG WEEK. BIG GUESTS. 🚨 Hayden & Cam welcome a special third host this week: Joey Porter Sr., live from Radio Row at Super Bowl LX 🏈🔥 Today we have NFL Insider Dianna Russini where Joey opens up about the inner workings of the 2000's Steelers- specifically about a few familiar names... #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #NFLPodcast #SuperBowl #CoachingCarousel #ProBowl #SteelersPodcast #NFLTalk #HereWeGo For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] 0:00 Hot/Honey Scale Steeler Best Moments 9:10 Recapping The Super Bowl 16:48 Joey Porter & dianna russini Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

🚨 BIG WEEK. BIG GUESTS. 🚨 Hayden & Cam welcome a special third host this week: Joey Porter Sr., live from Radio Row at Super Bowl LX 🏈🔥 Today we have former Bengals Pac-Man Jones, and HOF running back Emmitt Smith #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #NFLPodcast #SuperBowl #CoachingCarousel #ProBowl #SteelersPodcast #NFLTalk #HereWeGo For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] Timestamps: 0:00 Pac-Man Jones 33:01 Emmitt Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

🚨 BIG WEEK. BIG GUESTS. 🚨 Hayden & Cam welcome a special third host this week: Joey Porter Sr., live from Radio Row at Super Bowl LX 🏈🔥 Today we have HOF linebacker Brian Urlacher and former NFL MVP Shaun Alexander. 0:00 Brian Urlacher 52:30 Shaun Alexander 📅 New episodes drop THIS Monday, then it’s back to our regular Wednesday uploads. #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #NFLPodcast #SuperBowl #CoachingCarousel #ProBowl #SteelersPodcast #NFLTalk #HereWeGo For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

🚨 BIG WEEK. BIG GUESTS. 🚨 Hayden & Cam welcome a special third host this week: Joey Porter Sr., live from Radio Row at Super Bowl LX 🏈🔥 We’re stacking the lineup with comedian (and die-hard Seahawks fan) Adam Ray, Patriots legend Vince Wilfork, and Broncos tackle Garrett Bolles, fresh off a chaotic AFC Championship run. 📅 New episodes drop THIS Saturday and Monday, then it’s back to our regular Wednesday uploads. #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #NFLPodcast #SuperBowl #CoachingCarousel #ProBowl #SteelersPodcast #NFLTalk #HereWeGo For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] 0:00 Adam Ray 37:41 Vince Wilfork 1:06:10 Garrett Bolles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward and Hayden Walsh are back with a packed episode diving into everything happening around the league. The guys break down the Super Bowl matchup, react to the conference championship games, and explain why defense and the trenches still matter most in January. They also unpack the wild NFL coaching carousel. In this episode: 🏈 Breaking down the Super Bowl matchup and why defense will decide it 🧠 Reacting to the conference championship games and key coaching decisions 🔄 Full discussion on the NFL coaching carousel and what teams get wrong 🎤 Cam’s unfiltered take on the Pro Bowl and why it no longer feels earned 📣 What the league needs to change to bring real competition back For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #NFLPodcast #SuperBowl #CoachingCarousel #ProBowl #SteelersPodcast #NFLTalk #HereWeGo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward and Hayden Walsh return after a tough playoff loss to the Texans and an even tougher week in Pittsburgh as Mike Tomlin officially steps away as head coach of the Steelers. Cam opens up about the loss, the emotional weight of Tomlin’s decision, and what it felt like inside the building when the news broke. From favorite Tomlin moments and legendary one liners to the uncertainty of what comes next for the franchise. The guys also touch on the national championship, favorite moments from the season, and where Cam’s head is at personally after one of the strangest weeks of his career. In this episode: 🖤 Reacting to the Steelers playoff loss to the Texans 🧠 Favorite Tomlin moments, sayings, and behind the scenes stories 🔄 What’s next for the Steelers and the head coaching search 🎙️ Cam reflects on his future, leadership, and the weight of change 📚 Favorite moments from the season and the Ireland game ❓ Ask Cam Anything returns #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #Steelers #MikeTomlin #SteelersNation #NFLPlayoffs #HereWeGo #PittsburghSteelers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It’s a double pod week, and Cam Heyward and Hayden Walsh are getting you ready on the morning of a massive playoff matchup against the Texans. The guys are joined by Steelers standouts Pat Freiermuth and Connor Heyward. In this episode: 🏈 Breaking down the mindset heading into a win or go home playoff game vs the Texans 💪 Pat Freiermuth and Connor Heyward on physical football and setting the tempo early 🔥 Why punching first matters in playoff football and how the Steelers want to attack 🧠 Inside the offensive huddle with Aaron Rodgers and how accountability has changed the room 😂 Classic locker room moments, trash talk, and behind the scenes Steelers chemistry 📣 What it takes to stay locked in during playoff week and ignore outside noise #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #SteelersPodcast #PittsburghSteelers #SteelersNation #NFLPlayoffs #SteelersVsTexans #HereWeGo For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward and Hayden Walsh are coming off one of the wildest finishes in Steelers history after an unbelievable win over the Ravens to clinch the AFC North. With playoff football officially here, the guys are joined by Steelers legend Jerome Bettis to relive the chaos, reflect on what that win meant, and look ahead to a playoff showdown against the Texans. 0:00 Jerome Bettis Interview 1:17:52 Ask Cam Anything In this episode: 🏈 Full breakdown of the all time win over the Ravens and how the Steelers pulled it off 🔥 What that moment meant for the locker room and the fan base 🎤 Jerome Bettis reacts to the finish and explains why Steelers Ravens never disappoint 🧠 Jerome shares legendary stories from his career including playoff pressure and defining moments 📣 What playoff football in Pittsburgh feels like and how the Steelers need to approach the Texans 🎙️ Cam and Jerome talk mindset, physicality, and why belief matters most this time of year #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #JeromeBettis #SteelersPodcast #PittsburghSteelers #SteelersNation #NFLPodcast #SteelersVsRavens #NFLPlayoffs #HereWeGo #Texans Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward and Hayden Walsh start the episode by breaking down the loss to the Browns, what went wrong, and where the team needs to tighten up quickly. With everything on the line, the guys then turn their attention to a massive matchup against the Ravens. To close things out, the show takes a step back and celebrates an incredible year with a special compilation of some of the best moments in Not Just Football history, featuring legendary guests, unforgettable stories, and behind the scenes moments that made this season special. (1:38) Recapping Browns Game (8:49) Previewing Ravens Game (14:00) Drafting Favorite NJF Moments (52:17) Classic NJF Interview Moments For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Podcast Begins: (0:32) #AskCamAnything: (25:31) Kenneth Gainwell & Jaylen Warren Interview: (35:33) Cam Heyward and Hayden Walsh break down one of the Steelers’ biggest wins of the season after a dominant performance against the Lions. The guys then welcome Jaylen Warren and Kenneth Gainwell to talk about owning the moment, running back mentality, and what’s clicking for the offense as they head toward another AFC North battle against the Browns.In this episode: 🏈 Full breakdown of the Steelers’ statement win over the Lions and why it felt different 💪 Jaylen Warren and Kenneth Gainwell on RB room chemistry and staying ready 🔥 What it takes to close out games on the ground and impose your will late 📣 Looking ahead to the Browns matchup and what the Steelers need to keep in check 🎙️ Locker room mindset, confidence building, and momentum heading into the next week For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward and Hayden Walsh kick things off by breaking down a massive Monday Night Football win over the Dolphins (0:26), played in brutal cold that clearly favored the Steelers. (23:26) After recapping one of the grittiest wins of the season, Steelers legend Ike Taylor joins the show to talk rivalry football, defensive pride, and what it really means to lock down receivers in Pittsburgh. In this episode: 🏈 Full recap of the Steelers’ huge Monday night win over Miami and why the cold mattered so much ❄️ Cam explains how weather changes everything defensively 💪 What the win meant for the locker room and where the team is mentally right now 🎤 Ike Taylor joins to share legendary stories from his Steelers career and life as a shutdown corner 🧠 Ike and Cam talk accountability, preparation, and how defenses police themselves 🔥 Ravens rivalry memories, trash talk, and how defensive football has evolved 📣 What today’s secondary needs to carry forward from the old Steelers standard #CamHeyward #IkeTaylor #NotJustFootball #SteelersPodcast #PittsburghSteelers #SteelersNation #NFLPodcast #MondayNightFootball #SteelersVsDolphins #HereWeGo For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward and Hayden Walsh are joined by Steelers legend Joey Porter Sr. fresh off the win against the Baltimore Ravens. The guys celebrate the victory but also keep it real about the biggest concern going forward: the run defense still isn’t where it needs to be. Joey brings his trademark honesty as he breaks down standards, leadership, and what accountability truly looks like inside a Steelers locker room. In this episode: 🏈 Talking through the Ravens win and identify what still needs major improvement 💪 Joey explains why the run defense must tighten up and how past Steelers teams handled similar problems 🧠 Cam reflects on leadership and the responsibility of holding teammates to the standard 🔥 Joey shares classic stories from his playing and coaching days that define Steelers toughness 🎙️ The crew dives into rivalry energy, locker room culture, and the pride that comes with being a Steeler #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #JoeyPorter #SteelersPodcast #PittsburghSteelers #NFLPodcast #SteelersNation #HereWeGo #RavensWin #AFCNorth For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward and Hayden Walsh go guestless this week to unpack everything from a wild sports weekend, including the Ohio State vs Michigan game, the Steelers’ tough loss to the Bills, and what needs to change heading into a massive AFC North showdown vs the Ravens. In this episode: 🏈 Breaking down the Ohio State vs. Michigan rivalry and how the Buckeyes took control this year 💪 Cam’s thoughts on defensive breakdowns and poor tackling in the loss to Buffalo 🔥 What went wrong in the second half and how the Steelers can right the ship ⚡️ Cam opens up about leadership, accountability, and keeping the locker room focused 🧩 Previewing the Ravens matchup. How to contain Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry 🎙️ The guys end on a lighter note with holiday “This or That” questions and Ask Cam Anything fan submissions #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #SteelersPodcast #PittsburghSteelers #NFLPodcast #SteelersNation #SteelersVsBills #SteelersVsRavens #OhioState #Michigan #AFCNorth For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward and Hayden Walsh kick off rivalry week with a massive episode previewing the Ohio State vs Michigan game. They’re joined by Jack Sawyer and Will Howard of the Pittsburgh Steelers; both former Buckeyes, to break down what this matchup means, how Ohio State can bounce back, and what makes “The Game” the greatest rivalry in sports. Then, surprise guest Rich Eisen crashes the show to defend Michigan and trade classic smack talk with Cam. In this episode: 🏈 Deep dive into the Ohio State vs Michigan rivalry, from history to high stakes 🎙️ Jack Sawyer and Will Howard reflect on last year’s loss and what’s different this season 😤 Cam compares Steelers vs. Ravens to the intensity of Ohio State vs. Michigan 💬 Rich Eisen joins the debate, brings classic Michigan energy, and delivers some hilarious moments 📣 Cam and Hayden also look ahead to the Steelers’ matchup vs the Buffalo Bills, breaking down what Pittsburgh needs to do to take the W. For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #SnoopDogg #SteelersPodcast #PittsburghSteelers #NFLPodcast #SteelersVsBengals #JalenRamsey #jamarrchase Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward and Hayden Walsh celebrate a huge Steelers win over the Bengals before diving into one of the wildest stories of the season: the Ja’Marr Chase spitting incident on Jalen Ramsey. Then, hip-hop icon, entertainer, and lifelong Steelers fan Snoop Dogg joins the show for an unforgettable conversation full of stories, jokes, and football insight. In this episode: 🏈 Full breakdown of the Steelers’ win vs. the Bengals, including defensive dominance and Darnell Washington going full beast mode 😤 Cam reacts to the Ja’Marr Chase & Jalen Ramsey spit incident and explains how players feel about disrespect on the field 🎤 Snoop Dogg talks about his Steelers fandom, his love for the 1970s dynasty, and why the team still means so much to him 🔥 Snoop gives his takes on today’s Steelers roster, from Aaron Rodgers to Will Howard to Payton Wilson 😂 Cam and Snoop swap hilarious stories, impressions, and red-zone play-call ideas 📣 Looking ahead to the next matchup and where the Steelers need to tighten up For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #SnoopDogg #SteelersPodcast #PittsburghSteelers #NFLPodcast #SteelersVsBengals #JalenRamsey #JaMarrChase Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward and Hayden Walsh break down the Steelers’ loss to the Chargers in LA, how the defense responded, and what needs to improve heading into their matchup with the Bengals. Then, Steelers legend JuJu Smith-Schuster stops by for a must-watch interview full of stories from his time in Pittsburgh, Kansas City, and New England; plus what really happened on that hit vs. Vontaze Burfict. In this episode: ⚡️ Breaking down the Chargers game: what went wrong, key plays, and the adjustments needed moving forward 🏈 Looking ahead to the Bengals matchup as the guys talk about stopping Chase Brown, containing Ja’Marr Chase, and staying in control of the AFC North 🎙️ JuJu Smith-Schuster joins the show! 💨 The full story behind his viral block on Vontaze Burfict 🏈 Life after the Steelers: from Big Ben to Mahomes to Belichick 🏆 Inside the Chiefs’ Super Bowl run and what it took to win 🐶 Boujee the Frenchie’s comeback, lost bikes, and early Steelers locker room memories 🔥 Plus, Cam and Hayden debate Ryan Day, Ohio State football, and the wildest coaching rumors of the week For business Inquiries/press reach out:[email protected] #CamHeyward #JuJuSmithSchuster #NotJustFootball #SteelersPodcast #SteelersNation #PittsburghSteelers #NFLPodcast #NFLStories #Chargers #Bengals #herewego Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward and Hayden are joined by Payton Wilson, fresh off a monster performance in the Steelers’ win over the Colts, to talk about his breakout moment, captain status, and what’s next as the team prepares for the Chargers. The guys also dive into a WILD NFL Trade Deadline and the biggest moves across the league.In this episode: 🏈 Breaking down the win vs. the Colts:Payton’s 13 tackles, INT, PBUs & sideline-to-sideline dominance 🎤 Payton on becoming a captain in the locker room 😂 Cam calls out Payton for his Halloween costume & “Danny Zuko era” confidence 💨 Hitting 22 MPH in Ireland: Payton explains the speed burst overseas 🧠 The mindset behind his All-American rise and proving himself at NC State 🔥 Trade Deadline reactions. Winners, losers, and the moves that shocked the locker room 🧩 Previewing Chargers week — keys to slowing their offense and staying locked in on the road 😈 Trash talk stories: Payton vs. WRs, Ja’Marr Chase, and the lines that get under players’ skin 🚗 Payton reveals his first big NFL purchase For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #PaytonWilson #SteelersPodcast #SteelersNation #PittsburghSteelers #NFLPodcast #NFLTradeDeadline #SteelersVsChargers #AFC #NFLStories Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hall of Fame coach Tony Dungy joins Cam Heyward and Hayden for a special episode full of NFL history, Steelers memories, Peyton Manning stories, and what it will take for Pittsburgh to beat the Colts this week. In this episode: 🏈 Coach Dungy reacts to the recent Steelers vs. Colts matchup and what stood out on both sides of the ball 🔥 How he kept teams locked in during losing streaks and the mindset of a championship locker room 🐐 Steelers memories: Mean Joe Greene, the Steel Curtain days, and making the roster as an undrafted QB-turned-DB 🎬 Peyton Manning stories you’ve never heard, including sideline arguments, preparation routines, and the Super Bowl run 🧠 Coaching legends & a young Mike Tomlin: what Coach Dungy saw in him early on 🥤 The Coca-Cola commercial with Mean Joe Greene — and what players said behind the scenes 🧩 Preparing for Brady and Belichick — the chess match between Colts & Patriots during the 2000s 🎙️ Life after coaching: NBC Sunday Night Football, staying connected to the game, and his message to today’s players #TonyDungy #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #SteelersPodcast #SteelersNation #PittsburghSteelers #NFLPodcast #Colts #PeytonManning #MikeTomlin #SteelCurtain #NFLHistory #NBCFootball #HallOfFameCoach Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

🚨Signed Jersey Giveaway🚨 1️⃣ Get a signed Cam Heyward jersey by commenting below: What's your top 3 favorite current NFL players, and why? 2️⃣ Be subscribed to Not Just Football! Winner announced next Wednesday! Cam Heyward and Hayden are back after a tough Thursday night loss to the Bengals to break it all down — what went wrong on defense, how the offense continues to evolve, and what needs to change heading into a huge Sunday Night Football showdown against the Green Bay Packers.In this episode: 🏈 Breaking down the loss to the Bengals. From Ja’Marr Chase’s big night to defensive adjustments that need to happen 💪 Cam opens up about the D-line’s struggles and how they’ll respond moving forward 🎯 Aaron Rodgers’ command of the offense and how the unit continues to click despite setbacks 🧩 The rise of Jalen Warren and why the run game is starting to find its rhythm 🧠 Game plan for slowing down Jordan Love and Josh Jacobs heading into Packers week 🗣️ Cam addresses that viral “punching Joe Flacco” moment and sets the record straight 🎃 Steelers Halloween party plans; wild costume predictions and locker room competition 🔮 What it’ll take for the Steelers to bounce back at home in primetime #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #SteelersPodcast #SteelersNation #PittsburghSteelers #NFLPodcast #SteelersVsPackers #AaronRodgers #JordanLove #JalenWarren #NFL Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Steelers legend Bill Cowher joins Cam Heyward and Hayden fresh off a big win over the Browns to talk about coaching greatness, locker room leadership, and what it takes to dominate the AFC North. With a short week ahead, the guys also preview Thursday night’s primetime matchup against the Bengals.In this episode: 🏈 Recapping the win over the Browns — key defensive plays and why it meant more than just another W 🎤 Bill Cowher on building championship culture and what he sees in today’s Steelers💬 Cam and Coach Cowher trade stories from the early 2000s era and discuss how leadership has evolved 🔥 The mindset heading into Thursday Night Football vs. the Bengals 🧠 Preparing on a short week — film study, recovery, and mental toughness 😂 Coach Cowher’s funniest sideline memories (including one that still haunts Cam) For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #BillCowher #SteelersPodcast #SteelersNation #PittsburghSteelers #NFLPodcast #SteelersVsBrowns #SteelersVsBengals #NFLRivalries #SteelersLegends Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Coming off a much needed bye week, Cam Heyward and Hayden turn their focus to a heated AFC North rivalry with the Browns. Joining them this week is safety Juan Thornhill, who dives into his transition to Pittsburgh, his mindset heading into the matchup, and why this Steelers defense is built for moments like this.In this episode: 🎤 Juan Thornhill on joining the Steelers, fitting into the defense, and building chemistry fast 🔥 What it takes to prepare for the Browns — and stopping their ground game 😂 Locker room stories, new nicknames, and how teammates keep the energy high 📣 Cam on AFC North rivalries and why every Steelers-Browns game feels personal 🧠 Juan’s perspective on leadership, accountability, and elevating the secondary 🔮 Steelers’ keys to victory vs. Cleveland and how they can ride momentum after Ireland For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] Subscribe and comment below! #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #JuanThornhill #SteelersPodcast #SteelersNation #PittsburghSteelers #NFLPodcast #SteelersDefense #AFCNorth #SteelersVsBrowns Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Fresh off a huge win against the Vikings in Dublin, Cam Heyward and Hayden sit down with Steelers legend Maurkice Pouncey for an unfiltered conversation about his career, locker room stories, and what it means to still be part of the Steelers family. In this episode: 🏈 Breaking down the Steelers’ win in Dublin — key plays, defense stepping up, and fan energy overseas 🍻 Cam and Hayden share their favorite Ireland moments (including plenty of Guinness) 🎤 Maurkice Pouncey on setting the tone for the Steelers offense and being a leader in the trenches 😂 Wild practice fights, rookie stories, and why Pouncey always had his teammates’ backs 🧠 Reflections on the Killer B era — Ben, AB, and Le’Veon — and what could’ve been ❤️ How Pouncey gave back to the Pittsburgh community and why it still matters to him today 📣 Steelers O-line memories: Ramon Foster, Willie Colon, David DeCastro, and the bond of the big men 🔮 Looking ahead to the bye week and what the team needs to sharpen before the next stretch For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] Subscribe and comment below! #MaurkicePouncey #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #SteelersPodcast #SteelersNation #PittsburghSteelers #NFLPodcast #NFLStories #SteelersLegends #SteelersOline Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward and Hayden celebrate a big win over the Patriots before looking ahead to a historic showdown against the Vikings in Dublin, Ireland. Then, linebacker Nick Herbig joins the show to talk about his early success, learning from veterans, and, of course, the Herb Special... In this episode: 🏈 Breaking down the Steelers’ win over the Patriots — what worked and what still needs cleaning up 🔥 Defensive standouts and key moments that swung the game 🎤 Nick Herbig on his interception 🌴 Growing up in Hawaii, family influence, and how it shaped his football mentality 📣 Looking ahead to the Vikings in Dublin — Croke Park history, Rooney family ties, and preparing for the trip overseas 🍻 Cam and Hayden share their favorite Ireland memories #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #NickHerbig #SteelersPodcast #SteelersNation #PittsburghSteelers #NFLPodcast #NFLRookies #SteelersDefense #Patriots #Vikings #DublinIreland Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward and Hayden welcome quarterback Will Howard to talk about his journey to Pittsburgh, his first training camp, and what it’s like learning behind Aaron Rodgers. In this episode: 🎤 Will Howard on draft day emotions, first impressions of Pittsburgh, and adjusting to NFL speed 😂 Golf course trash talk with teammates and who’s really the best golfer on the team 📣 Learning under Rodgers, building chemistry with receivers, and stepping into a new locker room 🧠 Will’s mindset after setbacks — how he bounces back and keeps confidence high 🔮 Previewing the next matchup and what the Steelers must do to get back on trackFor business Inquiries/press reach out:[email protected] #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #WillHoward #SteelersPodcast #SteelersNation #PittsburghSteelers #NFLPodcast #NFLQuarterbacks #SteelersCamp #NFLStories Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward and Hayden break down the Steelers’ wild win over the Jets by welcoming wide receiver Calvin Austin to talk about his big role in the offense, Aaron Rodgers’ debut, and what’s next as they get ready for Seattle. In this episode: 🏈 Reviewing the win vs. the Jets — offense shines, defense struggles, and Boswell’s 60-yard bomb 🔥 Aaron Rodgers’ Steelers debut — leadership, poise, and why the offense looked different 🎤 Calvin Austin on playing alongside DK Metcalf and what makes the WR room so dynamic 😂 Why Cam hates lining up on field goals (and how Boswell still talks trash after makes) 📣 Defense self-critique: stopping the run, Jalen Ramsey’s impact, and what needs fixing 🔮 Previewing Seahawks matchup — Kenneth Walker, Leonard Williams, and a defense that can’t afford slow starts 💬 Cam’s top 5 Steelers of all time and why he refuses to put current teammates on the list #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #CalvinAustin #SteelersPodcast #SteelersNation #PittsburghSteelers #NFLPodcast #Jets #Seahawks #AaronRodgers #NFLStories Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cam Heyward and Hayden return for a loaded episode full of hot takes, Steelers insights, and hilarious NFL stories you won’t hear anywhere else.In this episode: 🔥 Breaking down the Micah Parsons trade and why Cam thinks Dallas will regret it 💰 The truth about how NFL contracts really get done — and why agents sometimes go silent 🏈 Celebrating Jaylen Warren's rise from undrafted free agent to Steelers leader 📣 Cam reacts to Ohio State’s struggles and what he wants to see from their defense 😡 When coaching gets too “exotic” and why sloppy decisions drive players crazy 💀 Why Alabama’s effort vs. FSU had Cam calling them out for toughness😂 Classic stories: chasing Kyler Murray after a bad steak dinner & Miami’s brutal heat advantage 🎤 Fantasy football rants, Troy Polamalu prank stories, and the weirdest pregame meals #CamHeyward #NotJustFootball #MicahParsons #JalenWarren #SteelersPodcast #NFLPodcast #PittsburghSteelers #NFLStories #NFLTrades #OhioState #AlabamaFootball For business Inquiries/press reach out: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices