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Off the Clock (Legal Value Network)
by Legal Value Network
Off the Clock presented by the Legal Value Network. Spontaneous conversations about the legal industry just like those you have after work when you are off the clock.
Episodes
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Architecting the Law Firm of the Future: AI, Culture, and Dismantling Big Law (Michael Pierson, Keith Maziarek & Justin Ergler)
Episode Overview In this episode of Off the Clock, hosts Keith Maziarek and Justin Ergler sit down with Michael Pierson, Co-Founder and Co-Chairman of Pierson Ferdinand. Launched in January 2024 as the largest law firm debut in U.S. history with 130 partners, Pierson Ferdinand has rapidly grown…
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The Next Era of Legal Tech (Zach Posner, The Legal Tech Fund, Justin Ergler & Keith Maziarek)
In this episode, Justin Ergler and Keith Maziarek sat down with Zach Posner, Co-Founder and Managing Partner of The Legal Tech Fund — the largest dedicated investor in legal technology globally, with 80+ portfolio companies spanning software sold into law firms, corporate legal departments, and...
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The Human Side of AI: Why People, Judgment, and Communication Still Run Law (Mark Wasserman CEO Emeritus of Eversheds, Keith Maziarek & Justin Ergler)
In the latest episode of Off the Clock from the Legal Value Network, hosts Keith Maziarek and Justin Ergler sit down with Mark Wasserman, CEO Emeritus of Eversheds Sutherland, for a candid, unscripted look at the realities of modern legal leadership. Mark pulls back the curtain on the industry's...
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The Four Quadrants of Profit: Moving Beyond the Hourly Rate (Richard Burcher, Founder Validatum, Keith Maziarek & Justin Ergler)
On this episode, we're sitting down with Richard Burcher — a true pioneer in legal pricing and profitability. Richard is a New Zealand-born lawyer who spent nearly 30 years in private practice, including seven as a managing partner, before founding Validatum — a consultancy dedicated to helping…
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The Future of Legal Services with Industry Legend Jae Um
Join Justin Ergler and Keith Maziarek as they sit down with Jae Um, Chief Growth Officer and Head of Knowledge at Lumio, for a wide-ranging conversation about the seismic shifts reshaping the legal industry. From law firm mergers to AI adoption, this episode cuts through the noise to explore what...
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The OG LVN Board: A Conversation about the Founding of the Legal Value Network and its Future
In this special edition of Legal Value Network's "Off the Clock" podcast, hosts Keith Maziarek and Justin Ergler welcome their co-founders and original Board member counterparts Toby Brown, Purvi Sanghvi, Stuart Dodds, Chris Ende and Kristina Lambright. The group shares stories from the early…
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Thinking Like an Owner in the Modern Legal Market (Andrew Bayman - King & Spalding & LVN Board Members Justin Ergler and Keith Maziarek)
In this episode, LVN Board Members Keith Maziarek and Justin Ergler sit down with Andrew Bayman, Partner at King and Spalding, for a wide-ranging discussion about what it means to think like an owner in the modern legal marketplace. This conversation reveals how law firms are transforming the...
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The AI Revolution in Law: Paradigm Shift or Incremental Change? (Zach Abramowitz, Justin Ergler & Keith Maziarek)
On this episode, LVN board members Justin Ergler and Keith Maziarek talk to Zach Abramowitz, founder of Killer Whale Strategies. They examine the impact of the artificial intelligence on the law. The trio discuss whether it's a paradigm shift or is it just incremental change in technology. They...
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Keith Maziarek, Justin Ergler (LVN Board Members) & Patrick Fuller (Chief Strategist, ALM) on Why Law Firms Need a Dot Connector to Connect People, Data, and Strategy for Growth
LVN Board Members Keith Maziarek and Justin Ergler host Patrick Fuller, Chief Strategist for ALM. The trio discuss Patrick's role in analyzing law firm data, market trends, and client challenges. The discussion also highlights the importance of understanding indirect market impacts, such as…
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An Anthropologist in the Law Firm? Rethinking Legal Talent, Change and Progress in Law Firms (Stephen Poor, Chair Emeritus Seyfarth)
LVN Board members Keith Maziarek and Justin Ergler sit down with Stephen Poor, Chair Emeritus at Seyfarth Shaw. The trio discuss the inevitable changes impacting law firms, from the integration of non-legal professionals to the ongoing debate around the billable hour in the age of AI. They also...
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Using a Holistic Approach to Adopt and Integrate Technology (LVN Board Members Keith Maziarek, Justin Ergler and David Cunningham (Reed Smith))
In this episode Legal Value Network board members Keith Maziarek and Justin Ergler discuss innovation in the legal industry with David Cunningham, Chief Innovation Officer at Reed Smith. They explore the challenges and benefits of adopting AI and technology, emphasizing the importance of a…
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Artificial Intelligence and the Future of Legal Work and Pricing (Conan Hines - Fried Frank)
LVN Board Members Keith Maziarek and Justin Ergler discuss the integration of generative AI in legal services with Conan Hines, Director of Legal Technology at Fried Frank. They explore the challenges and ethical considerations of billing for AI-enhanced legal work, comparing it to traditional...
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Live from LVNX 2024 Jennifer Leonard (Creative Lawyers), Laura Terrell (Executive Coach/Big Law Life) and Richard Jolly (Northwestern) in Conversation with Justin Ergler and Keith Maziarek
In this special episode of Off the Clock, recorded live at the 2024 LVNx conference in Chicago, Legal Value Network Board Members Justin Ergler and Keith Maziarek engage in a dynamic discussion with three esteemed guests: Jennifer Leonard (founder of Creative Lawyers and Professor at University…
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From Incremental Change to AI Revolution: Does Legal Face a Turning Point? (Jennifer Leonard-Founder, Creative Lawyers, Justin Ergler-J Ergler Consulting, Keith Maziarek-Katten)
On this episode, LVN board members Justin Ergler and Keith Maziarek welcome Jennifer Leonard, LVnX 2024 Keynote Speaker and founder of Creative Lawyers, for a candid discussion about the challenges and opportunities facing the modern legal profession. The trio delve into the potential disruption…
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On Career Transitions, Pricing and to Charge or Not to Charge for Project Management (Jessica Lim, Justin Ergler & Keith Maziarek)
In this episode, LVN Board Members Justin Ergler and Keith Maziarek have a chat with Jessica Lim, National Director, Practice Management, Disputes at Borden Ladner Gervais, located in Toronto. In typical fashion the conversation covers a number of topics, this time including the process of making...
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On Legal Ops, Innovation and Pricing Today and Tomorrow, Ken Callander (Value Strategies) & Keith Maziarek (Katten)
In this episode, LVN Board member Keith Maziarek catches up with Ken Callander from Value Strategies, a consultancy advising law firms, legal departments, and legal operations on pricing, relationship management, and client service delivery, among other areas. Keith and Ken discuss: The evolution...
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On the Current and Future State of the Law Firm/Client Relationship and the Impact of Tech on Legal Ops (Reese Arrowsmith-Campbell Soup Co. & Keith Maziarek-Katten/LVN Board Member)
In the latest episode of Legal Value Network's "Off the Clock" podcast, Keith Maziarek sits down with longtime friend and client legal ops veteran Reese Arrowsmith, VP and Head of Legal Operations at Campbell Soup Company to chat about a variety of topics. In particular, they discussed how the...
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Melissa Gyure (Paul Hastings) & Keith Maziarek (Katten) on the Interplay of Legal Ops, Law Firms and Pricing
In this episode, Keith Maziarek, an LVN board member and Director of Pricing and Legal Project Management at Katten, has an insightful conversation with Melissa Gyure, Director of Pricing at Paul Hastings. The pair discuss in-house legal operations and relationships with law firms. The duo…
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Shawn Gross (Constangy), Justin Ergler (GSK) and Keith Maziarek (Katten) on the Intersection of Legal Project Management With Marketing & Finance and the Importance of Understandable Pricing Concepts
LVN Board Members Justin Ergler (GSK) and Keith Maziarek (Katten), have a conversation with Shawn Gross, Director of Pricing and Legal Project Management at Constangy, about the evolution of pricing and legal project management roles and how they now intersect with marketing and finance. The trio...
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Live Episode from LVNx With Gina Passarella, Greg Lambert, Justin Ergler and Keith Maziarek
This is a special episode recorded at the LVNx conference in Chicago and includes a conversation LVN board members Keith Maziarek and Justin Ergler had with LVNx keynote speaker Gina Passarella, SVP of Content from ALM Global, as well as Greg Lambert, one of the three original geeks from the…
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Justin Ergler (LVN/GSK) & Matthew Beekhuizen (Greenberg Traurig) on the Importance of Involving the Pricing and Business Team in Building Strong Client Relationships
Founding LVN Board Member Justin Ergler has a wide-ranging conversation with Matthew Beekhuizen, Chief Pricing and Innovation Officer at Greenberg Traurig. The duo discuss the importance of developing strong relationships with legal clients and the need to "translate" business to legal. They also...
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Marketing Strategies for Law Firms (Keith Maziarek (Katten), Justin Ergler (GSK) & Stefanie Marrone)
In this episode, LVN Board Members Keith Maziarek and Justin Ergler are in conversation with Stefanie Marrone, who serves as a fractional and outsourced marketing director for law firms and professional services companies. The trio discuss the importance of a client-centered approach to...
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Using Data to Analyze Legal Pricing Dynamics (Keith Maziarek (Katten), Justin Ergler (GSK) & Nathan Cemenska (Wolters Kluwer)
LVN board members Keith Maziarek and Justin Ergler talk to Nathan Cemenska, Director, Legal Operations and Industry Insights at Wolters Kluwer. The trio discuss pricing and negotiation dynamics between law firms and clients, with a focus on the use of data and alternative solutions such as...
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On Legal Teams Working With Finance Teams and the Importance of Creative Problem Solving With Laura Terrell (Executive Coach), Justin Ergler (GSK) and Keith Maziarek (Katten)
Founding LVN board members Justin Ergler and Keith Maziarek reunite with Laura Terrell, a long-time lawyer turned executive coach. They discuss the history of their somewhat uncommon relationship and how it underscores the importance of collaboration and communication between legal teams and...
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Live from LVNx (Keith Maziarek, Justin Ergler, Jae Um, Aaron Boersma & Mikhail Makarovsky)
This episode was recorded live at the LVNx Conference in Chicago and is a conversation with LVN Board Members Keith Maziarek and Justin Ergler with multiple guests from across the legal ecosystem including Aaron Boersma, Mikhail Makarovsky and Jae Um. This dynamic conversation touched on a…
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Angela Floessel (MoFo) & Keith Maziarek (Katten/LVN) on Pricing Discipline, Project Management and Litigation Finance
LVN Board member and Katten's Director of Pricing and Legal Project Management, Keith Maziarek, has a wide ranging conversation with Angela Floessel, Director of Pricing and Legal Project Management at Morrison & Foerster Discussion topics include why Angela made the jump to legal from private...
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Lisa F. Smith (Attorney and Author) & Justin Ergler (GSK) on Mental Health and Legal
In honor of Mental Health Awareness Month, Justin Ergler (LVN board member and Director, Alternative Fee Intelligence and Analytics at GSK) talks to author and attorney Lisa F. Smith about her book Girl Walks Out of a Bar and the importance of being transparent and acknowledging mental health...
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Professor Richard Jolly (Northwestern) & Keith Maziarek (Katten) on Legal Tech Adoption, Lawyers as Hedgehogs or Foxes and Why Narcissistic Personalities Help in the Law
In this episode, LVN Board Member and Director of Pricing and Legal Project Management at Katten, Keith Maziarek has a conversation with Professor Richard Jolly of the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern University (also a principal at the Stokes and Jolly consultancy). The conversation…
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Jason Winmill (Argopoint) & Justin Ergler (GSK and LVN Board Member) on Fee Increases and Better Communication Between Law Firm and Client
On this episode LVN Board Member Justin Ergler (Director of Alternative Fee Intelligence Analytics at GlaxoSmithKline) talks to Jason Winmill (founder of management consultancy Argopoint) about how legal departments and law firms can communicate better and tackle fee increase requests.
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Being Creative With Legal Pricing and How to Think About Legal Value with Bill Rudnick (GC Cresset Capital) & Keith Maziarek (Katten)
LVN Board Member Keith Maziarek (Director of Pricing and Legal Project Management at Katten) and Chad Main (Percipient) talk to Bill Rudnick. Bill is General Counsel at Cresset Capital, a boutique private wealth management firm, and previously the managing partner of DLA Piper's Chicago office…
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Keith Maziarek (Katten) & Greg Lambert (Jackson Walker) Talk Using APIs (Application Programming Interfaces) in Legal
In this episode of Legal Value Network's Off the Clock Podcast, Keith Maziarek, LVN board member and Director of Pricing and Legal Project Management for Katten, talks with Greg Lambert, Chief Knowledge Services Officer for Jackson Walker and co-host of The Geek in Review podcast. The…
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Brad Antici (Butler Snow) & Justin Ergler (GSK) On How Understanding Clients' Needs Increases the Value of Legal Services
Justin Erlger (LVN board member and Director of Alternative Fee Intelligence and Analytics at GSK) and Brad Antici (Director of Strategic Pricing and Analysis at Butler Snow) talk about how Brad's trip to a fine clothier reinforced his belief that for both law firms and clients to maximize value…
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Connie Brenton (NetApp) Keith Maziarek (Katten) on the Evolution of Legal Pricing Teams, Project Management & Opportunities to Improve Client Communications
Connie Brenton, VP, Law, Technology and Operations at NetApp and LVN Board member Keith Maziarek discuss the emergence of law firm pricing teams, the use of project management, and missed opportunities for communication between in-house legal teams and their law firms.
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Hushmand Cott (Covington) and Justin Ergler (GSK) on Clients and Law Firms Working Together on D&I and Pricing
Hushmand Cott, Chief Strategic Pricing Officer for Covington Burling and LVN Board Member Justin Ergler, of GSK discuss how law firms and clients can open lines of communication and work together to improve diversity and inclusion in the legal profession and solve tough pricing issues.
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Esther Bowers (Honigman) and Keith Maziarek (Katten) on Desired Outcomes, Project Management, Flexible Staffing and Technology
In the latest episode of LVN's Off the Clock, we talk to Esther Bowers, Director of Practice Management at Honigman. She explains how she and her firm add value their client representations by working closely with them to understand their desired outcomes and augmenting quality legal work with...
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Keith Maziarek (Katten) & Pratik Patel (Elevate Services) Discuss Legal Service Provider Partnerships
Founding LVM board member, Keith Maziarek, Director of Pricing and Legal Project Management at Katten, Pratik Patel Co Founder and Vice President, Innovation at law company Elevate Services and Chad Main, founder of Percipient talk about how the demand for legal services is changing and creating...
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Melissa Prince (Ballard Spahr) & Justin Ergler (GSK) On Providing Value Beyond Competitive Rates
LVN celebrates Women's History Month by featuring a prominent female leader in the Legal Pricing and Project Management Space. Melissa Prince, Chief Client Value and Innovation Officer at Ballard Spahr has a conversation with Founding Board LVN board member Justin Ergler Director, Alternative Fee...
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Justin Ergler (GSK) and Chris Emerson (Quarles & Brady) Discuss How Law Firms Can Help Clients With Legal Operations
In the inaugural episode of Legal Value Network's Off the Clock, Justin Ergler, a founding LVN board member, talks to Chris Emerson, Senior Director of Legal Operations and Innovation at Quarles & Brady. Justin and Chris discuss how law firms can provide value to clients outside of traditional...
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