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Pantsuit Politics
by Sarah & Beth
Hosted by two women from the American heartland with different personalities, different priorities, and more in common than cable news would have you believe. Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers bring civility, nuance, and good faith to the week's biggest news — no outrage required. New episodes every Tuesday and Friday.Sales and Distribution by Lemonada Media https://lemonadamedia.com/
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Which of the Nine Political Types Are You?
The President announced a "deal" with Iran on his birthday, between a UFC fight and a crypto promotion — except it isn't a deal, it's a memorandum of understanding, which is a fancy way of saying nobody agreed to much of anything yet. Sarah and Beth get into what's actually happening in Iran, then turn to a Pew Research framework that breaks the country into nine political types instead of two parties. Plus: the surprisingly useful rule about when it's worth staying up late.Topics discussed:- The Iran "deal" that's really a memorandum of understanding- Why JD Vance looks set up to take the fall if it collapses- What we actually know (and don't) about who's in charge in Tehran- Pew Research's nine political "types" and the death of simple red vs. blue- Taking the typology quiz live — and Sarah's and Beth's results- The progressive litmus test and the voters Democrats leave on the table- A rule for bedtime: don't stay up for anything you wouldn't wake at 5 a.m. to doTook the Pew quiz and want to compare results with people who think about this as hard as you do? That conversation is happening in our premium community at pantsuitpoliticsshow.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Why America 250 Is Worth Celebrating
The country got an invitation to its own 250th birthday and hesitated — do we even feel like celebrating right now? Sarah and Beth make the case that the answer is yes, and not in spite of how hard things are but because of it. A milestone is a chance to take stock and tell the most honest version of the story we can, regardless of what the loudest and most cynical voices do. Topics discussed:- Why celebrating America's 250th feels awkward this year- The America250 commission vs. Trump's separate "Freedom 250" / White House rally- What the 1976 Bicentennial actually got right- The military's place in the anniversary — a component, not the centerpiece- Holding patriotism and clear-eyed honesty about the country's failures at the same time- America's Potluck and celebrating at the level of your own town and table- Outside Politics: naming your "mom aesthetic"We're celebrating all month on Substack — news briefs reported live from 1776 on Good Morning, and Founding Father karaoke on More to Say. Join us at pantsuitpoliticsshow.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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AI Goes Public: Should America Own a Piece?
SpaceX's IPO begins trading today, with OpenAI and Anthropic close behind. The rules of going public seem to be changing by the day. We talk about why this IPO matters to all of us and the Bernie Sanders proposal for the public to take a stake in AI companies. Outside of politics, a halfway-through-2026 check-in on our words of the year (which we had fully forgotten, if that tells you anything!). Topics Discussed:- The SpaceX IPO and its red flags- What going public is supposed to mean — and what it means here- How index funds could put SpaceX in your retirement account whether you choose it or not- President Trump's June 2 executive order on AI and cybersecurity- Senator Sanders' proposal for a 50% public stake in AI companies- The EU's risk-based approach to AI regulation- Outside of Politics: words of the year, half-time reportWant Beth's Founders' Trunk — six family stories to celebrate America250? Download it free as a premium member at pantsuitpoliticsshow.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Negotiation, Networking, and the New Job Search
The headlines about this job market are frightening, and the advice often feels contradictory, particularly for young people. Sarah sits down with professor Kim Miller — who taught both of us at Transylvania — to talk honestly about what is actually happening and what you can do about it. We cover negotiation, the power of real relationships, and how to make yourself ready for opportunities you can't yet see.Topics discussed:• Why the job market feels so chaotic right now: AI, economic uncertainty, mass layoffs, and even retirees re-entering the workforce• Negotiation as the skill nobody teaches you — and why it matters more than ever• Building relationships instead of "networking," and graduating with at least one good mentor• Getting work experience before you graduate, paid or unpaid• How to handle a job offer: asking for 48 hours and negotiating beyond base salary• Outside of Politics: Sarah opens Meander Bookshop in Paducah For exclusive episodes, America250 celebrations, and more, join us at pantsuitpoliticsshow.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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996
Is Congress Finally Pushing Back on Trump?
This week's primary results gave Democrats and independents a few reasons to pay attention — and behind closed doors, the Republican caucus is finally showing some friction. Beth and Sarah go deep on Delaney Hall, a Newark ICE detention facility where protests are escalating, lawsuits are piling up, and conditions are becoming impossible to ignore. Outside of politics, what we're doing with our "time confetti." Topics discussed:• Primary results in California, New Jersey, New Mexico, Iowa, South Dakota, and Montana• Republican caucus friction: the anti-weaponization fund, Todd Blanche's AG nomination, and Bill Pulte as acting DNI• Delaney Hall ICE detention facility in Newark• New Jersey's lawsuit against the GEO Group and escalating protests• The civil (not criminal) nature of ICE detention• Immigration reform proposals• Outside of Politics: using wait time for fictionWant to be in a hotel full of Pantsuit Politics listeners this summer? The deadline to book in Minneapolis is one week away — find everything you need at https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/p/join-us-in-minneapolis-94f. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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The Normie Problem: Can Democrats Win with Platner?
Graham Platner is running for Senate in Maine and trailing a string of controversies — a tattoo with Nazi-era symbolism, old Reddit posts, and now a Wall Street Journal exposé on explicit texts with multiple women. Sarah and Beth use his candidacy as a lens on what we actually want from politicians: how normal is too normal, what "progressive vs. moderate" names and misses, and whether emotional maturity is a reasonable standard to hold. Plus: a new Instagram obsession and significant news about changes at Pantsuit Politics.Topics discussed:- Graham Platner and the Maine Senate race- Political scandals and changing voter tolerance- "Normie" politicians and the unapologetic posture in American life- Progressive vs. moderate framing in the Democratic Party- What we actually need from candidates: policy, biography, communication style- Emotional maturity as a political standard- Partisan identity and double standards - Bronte the Stylist on Instagram- Team changes at Pantsuit Politics Celebrate America250 with us at pantsuitpolitics.substack.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Ken Paxton, Redistricting, and the Midterms Map
On today's Pantsuit Politics: Ken Paxton defeats John Cornyn by 28 points — the widest primary margin against a sitting senator in nearly 50 years — and we dig into what it means for the Senate map and the midterms. Plus a redistricting roundup from South Carolina, Alabama, and Florida. And Outside of Politics: summer movies, from Project Hail Mary to The Odyssey to The Mandalorian & Grogu (the popcorn was excellent). Ready to go deeper? Check out https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Shaky Ceasefires, Pope Leo’s Leadership, and the School Year’s Biggest Lessons
Over the weekend, I started a “lessons learned” Google doc. I love the stark, in-your-face, no-hedging clarity that comes from a bullet point list: “Here are the words that distill years or months of experiences, emotions, decisions, triumphs, and set-backs.” That energy seems to be in the air as Memorial Day unofficially kicks off summer. Pope Leo has distilled his thoughts on the dignity of humans. The public at-large seems to be with him on the indecency and foolishness of war. Universities and schools are changing policies in light of lessons learned, and people running for office are asking what we want our literal lessons to be. Sarah and I discuss the headlines and the lessons we’re learning about school as parents and from teachers. Then, we end in the only way a podcast kicking off summer should: with an ode to ice cream. - Beth Topics Discussed: Texas Senate Primary Iran War Pope Leo and Human Dignity Tulsi Gabbard Resigns Education Policy Outside of Politics: Ice Cream Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Consumption Is Eating Art
Beth’s daughter, Ellen, asked why our books aren’t on the bestseller list, and honestly? Great question, Ellen. That one question opens up the whole can of worms today: how popular consensus gets manufactured — from the mysterious black box of the New York Times bestseller list to music catalogs being protected like the financial assets they literally are, to the Vulture piece that confirmed what I’ve suspected for a while now, which is that nothing on your social media feed is actually organic. We also wade into the Michael Jackson biopic, which I have real feelings about, and we end in a much better place, talking about songs that have nothing to do with romantic love. I am warning you now that I cannot discuss Brandi Carlile without crying, so just be ready for that. — Sarah Topics Discussed Cultural Consensus and Its Impact Art, Trust, and Marketing in the Digital Age Outside of Politics: Nonlove Songs Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Trump's China Trip, the $1.7 Billion Slush Fund, and the AI Backlash
Trump's China trip barely makes a headline, a $1.7 billion taxpayer-funded slush fund raises alarms, and we check in on where we're really at with AI — as users, as parents, and as small business owners trying to keep up. Topics Discussed: Trump Goes to China The AI Backlash Outside of Politics: The Goldilocks Summer Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Get 50% Off Monarch, the all-in-one financial tool at www.monarch.com/pantsuit Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Jacqueline Coleman is Running for Governor
As Lt. Gov. Jacqueline Coleman launches her run for governor of Kentucky, we were honored to sit down with her and discuss her path to public service and hopes for the future of Kentucky. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Gerrymandering, Iran, Ukraine & the Future of the American Family
This weekend, the Virginia Supreme Court struck down the voter-approved congressional maps, while the Tennessee legislature eliminated its only Democratic Congressional District — but Sarah and Beth think despondence is the wrong response. Then they break down Trump's increasingly tangled Iran situation, why declaring victory and walking away might be the best bad option on the table, and what Ukraine's quiet battlefield gains reveal what America's absence on the world stage costs. Then, Sarah and Beth discuss what it means when marriage and family become a luxury — and whether the way we talk about life is making the problem worse. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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988
The Abortion Pill, the Courts, and the Mess They Made
The Fifth Circuit ruled again on mifepristone and the legal, political, and medical mess that followed is anything but settled. Sarah and Beth break down what Louisiana's "sovereign injury" theory means for mail-access abortion pills, why "leave it to the states" was never a real answer, and where the Republican Party goes from here on an issue Donald Trump desperately wants to avoid. Then, inspired by this week's Pulitzer announcements, they share the pieces of journalism they've never been able to forget. Topics Discussed Mifepristone, the Courts, and the Mail Trump, the GOP, and the Abortion Trap Outside of Politics: Our Personal Pulitzers Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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The Gerrymandering Death Spiral
Sarah and Beth break down the Supreme Court's decision gutting the Voting Rights Act and what it means for the gerrymandering arms race reshaping our electoral map. They check on Trump's promises to lower prices and fix our fiscal house. Outside of Politics, prom season has them asking whether we've over-structured — or under-structured — life for our kids. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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The Education Crisis Nobody Wants to Fix
Rahm Emanuel came ready to talk — and y'all, we were ready. This conversation covers the education crisis in America (which I don’t think a single person in this audience needs to be convinced about), what Mississippi actually did to turn things around, why Rahm closed schools in Chicago and would do it again, and what a real federal education strategy could look like. We also got into fiscal reality, political will, phones in classrooms, the debt we owe to community colleges, and whether the next president should come in like FDR or like a triage nurse. Plus: Rahm's near-death experience at 17, coffee in bed, and empty nest advice. — Sarah Topics Discussed The Education Crisis: Why We Know What to Do and Won’t Do It (science of reading, phonics, the Mississippi Marathon) High School Reform, Community Colleges, and the “Learn, Plan, Succeed” Framework Phones, Screens, and What We’ve Abdicated to the Algorithm School Closures, Political Will, and Owning Tough Decisions Outside of Politics: Swimming, Coffee in Bed, and Raising Boys Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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The WHCD shooting and the Anti-Authority Era
Sarah and Beth respond to the shooting at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, examining what it — alongside a pervasive anti-authority mood across American life — reveals about the state of our social contract. Outside of Politics, they reflect on Spotify's 20th anniversary list of its all-time most-streamed artists and songs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Sharon McMahon, Antifa, and the Self-Care We Don’t Regret
What does it mean to truly value free speech? Sarah and Beth discuss the controversy around Sharon McMahon speaking at Utah Valley University, the EO designating Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization, and more. Plus, what leisure activities are actually worth it? Topics Discussed: Sharon McMahon and Utah Valley University The Antifa Executive Order The Prairieland Nine prosecution Chip Roy’s MAMDANI Act The Southern Poverty Law Center indictment Cancel culture and the criminalization of speech Outside of Politics: Leisure - what we regret and what we happily pay for Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Sharon McMahon, Antifa, and the Self-Care We Don’t Regret
What does it mean to truly value free speech? Sarah and Beth discuss the controversy around Sharon McMahon speaking at Utah Valley University, the EO designating Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization, and more. Plus, what leisure activities are actually worth it? Topics Discussed: Sharon McMahon and Utah Valley University The Antifa Executive Order The Prairieland Nine prosecution Chip Roy’s MAMDANI Act The Southern Poverty Law Center indictment Cancel culture and the criminalization of speech Outside of Politics: Leisure - what we regret and what we happily pay for Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Who’s at the Wheel?
Sarah and Beth unpack the bombshell New York Times investigation linking the shadow docket to Chief Justice John Roberts, assess the erratic messaging around day 53 of the war in Iran, and close with reflections on what a week out West in the national parks can do for your spirit. Topics Discussed: The Roberts Court and the Shadow Docket Day 53 of the War in Iran: The Commander-in-Chief Question Section 702 and FISA Outside of Politics: Big Skies and Big Silence for Spring Break Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Who’s at the Wheel? The Roberts Memos, the War, and the President’s Mental State
Sarah and Beth unpack the bombshell New York Times investigation linking the shadow docket to Chief Justice John Roberts, assess the erratic messaging around day 53 of the war in Iran, and close with reflections on what a week out West in the national parks can do for your spirit. Topics Discussed: The Roberts Court and the Shadow Docket Day 53 of the War in Iran: The Commander-in-Chief Question Section 702 and FISA Outside of Politics: Big Skies and Big Silence for Spring Break Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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What Zohran Mamdani Gets Right
We spent Tuesday’s episode talking about headline national and global news, and it felt pretty bleak. Today, we’re zooming in on a bright spot, New York City, and asking what we can learn from Mayor Zohran Mamdani as he crosses the first-100-days milestone. Mamdani was hailed as a unique political talent on the campaign trail. We’re interested in how that star power translates to political power and how the Mayor has pivoted from campaign to service. His initial path tells a compelling story about what Democratic Socialism might mean in practice and where the dividing lines actually are in the Democratic Party. Any way around it, Mayor Mamdani’s “pothole politics” are a stark and welcome contrast to what we see in Washington D.C. Outside of politics, we consider the call for parents to hold hands and agree that we’ll all do less together. From Maycember sprawl to spirit week standards to the charcuterization of everything, we sort out what we’re doing and why. -Beth Topics Discussed: Zohran Mamdani’s 100 Days: Pothole Politics and What Democratic Socialism Looks Like in Practice The Affordability + Corruption + Service Formula — A Democratic Blueprint? Navigating the Coalition: Mamdani, Trump, Hochul, and the Art of Getting Things Done Outside of Politics: Maycember and the Case for Parents to Just… Stop Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Spaceship Earth and the Capricious Kings
Sarah and Beth return from spring break to catch up on a packed news week — from Eric Swalwell's campaign collapse and the stalled Iran negotiations, to Melania's surprise press conference, Hungary's historic election upset, and the triumphant return of the Artemis II crew. Topics Discussed: Less Eric Swalwell (California) and More Rob Sand (Iowa) Pakistan Negotiates Iran “Ceasefire” while Congress sits on its hands Melania Trump’s Press Conference JD Vance’s Losing Streak in Iran and Hungary Outside of Politics: Artemis II Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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America's Pastime, Up Close
Aaron Barrett shares his inspiring journey through baseball, including his battles with Tommy John surgery, resilience, and his new role as a manager. He offers insights into player development, the demands of professional baseball, and leadership lessons. Topics Discussed: Aaron Barrett on Baseball, Resilience, and Protecting Players Outside of Politics: Who’s Calling Balls and Strikes? Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Does the Democratic Party Have a Big Idea Problem? With Jason Kander
Jason Kander joins Pantsuit Politics to break down Missouri's redistricting fight and what Democrats need to do to win in 2026 and beyond — including why the party needs to stop running on familiar ideas and start offering something genuinely new. Topics Discussed: Will Missouri Voters Veto Partisan Redistricting? What Democrats need to win elections in 2026 and beyond Outside of Politics: Kansas City Stadiums Explaine Join our Good Neighbor T-Shirt Contest! Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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This F***ing Guy
Before we head out on spring break, we need to let off some steam. Today's episode is a moment of catharsis about just a few of the things President Trump, his administration, and Congress are screwing up right now. Topics Discussed: The DHS Funding Standoff: Right Back Where We Started Donald Trump’s Primetime Speech on Iran The Corruption Is the Point: Coins, Pardons, and a $1.4B Year Outside of Politics: The Best Long Weekend Setup Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Punishment Isn't the Same as Accountability
Sarah and Beth catch up on the headlines — from the ongoing war in Iran and global energy disruptions to congressional gridlock — before diving into a conversation on punishment and accountability through two recent cases: an elderly driver who killed a family of four in San Francisco and two teenagers sentenced for creating AI-generated nude images of classmates. Outside of Politics, they answer a listener's question on whether they believe in karma. Topics Discussed: Iran and the Energy Crisis Punishment and Accountability Outside of Politics: Karma is a Vibe Join us in Minneapolis for our live show this August! Tickets are on sale now! Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Thanks to our sponsor: Get 50% off Monarch, the all-in-one financial tool, at www.monarch.com/pantsuit. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Nihilism, Special Elections, and the Smut Renaissance
When we look at the news right now — Iran, the airports, the corruption, the measles — it's tempting to decide none of it matters because, individually, we can't fix any of it. Nihilism is tempting, and we talk about how sometimes nihilism represents pride, but maybe in the right dose, it’s more like humility. Either way, “nothing matters” is being proven wrong every day. Special elections are producing surprising results. Courts are holding tech companies accountable. And people are figuring it out when institutions fail (I’m especially moved by the story of an underground railroad set up to bring Ukrainian children home from Russia). I say in this episode that my emotional cocktail has a splash of nihilism in it. But the main ingredient is my conviction that our attention and our care and our efforts make a difference. Plus: please clap for my favorite segue in the history of Pantsuit Politics. From: “perhaps we aren’t sleepwalking into a dystopian nightmare” to “are we in a smut renaissance?” facilitated by the shelving of an erotic chatbot. If this doesn’t end your Friday with joy, I don’t know what will. -Beth Topics Discussed: Nihilism is Having A Moment Signs of Hope Outside of Politics: Smut Renaissance Join us in Minneapolis for our live show this August! Tickets are on sale now! Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Thanks to our sponsor: Save 20% Off Honeylove by going to Custom URL: https://www.honeylove.com/PANTSUIT #honeylovepod #ad See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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The Trust Problem in Political Media with Isaac Saul
Sarah sits down with Isaac Saul, founder of Tangle News, a daily newsletter that breaks down major political stories from across the ideological spectrum all in one place. Topics Discussed: News, Journalism, Influencers, and Commentary in the Age of Trump Outside of Politics: Navigating Early Parenthood Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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972
A Hothead at DHS, 21st Century ROAD to Housing Act, and a Holy Spirit Moment
Sarah and Beth discuss Markwayne Mullin's confirmation hearing as well as the housing crisis in America and the new legislation aimed at solving it. Plus, outside of politics, they phone a friend to talk about her recent experience with colorectal cancer. Topics Discussed: DHS Nominee Markwayne Mullin Confirmation Hearing Housing in America Outside of Politics: Colorectal Cancer Awareness with Jessica Lotz Join us in Minneapolis for our live show this August! Tickets are on sale now! Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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RFK Jr., MAHA, and the Measles Crisis
Sarah and Beth take stock of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s first year leading the Department of Health and Human Services — from purging vaccine experts, gutting public comment rules, the growing measles outbreak, and what it all means for the future of American public health. Outside of politics: Sarah's annual Oscar recap! Topics Discussed: RFK Jr Guts Public Health Outside of Politics: Our Annual Oscars Recap Join us in Minneapolis for our live show this August! Tickets are on sale now! Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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970
Something Else Was Born: On War, Grief, and the Chaos Lottery
Sarah and Beth process the escalating war in Iran, then turn closer to home to discuss America's car accident crisis and the Hyacinth Fellowship — an organization supporting people who have unintentionally killed someone on the road. Outside of politics, they dig into parenting styles and how to strike the Goldilocks balance of authoritative parenting. Topics Discussed: Iran: The Costs We Can’t Undo Fatal Car Accidents: The Trauma Nobody Talks About Outside of Politics: Why Your Kids Need Rules, Not Just Love Join us in Minneapolis for our live show this August! Tickets are on sale now! Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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969
Separating the Commander in Chief from the War
Beth is joined by Rep. Greg Landsman to discuss the role of Congress, the decision to strike Iran, and why we need a Department of AI. Plus, they check in on their New Year's resolutions. Topics Discussed: What "being done" looks like and whether that's realistic with this president The difference between Iran and what's happening in Venezuela and Cuba Congress's role in military action and Landsman's 30-day War Powers Resolution Whether the 2026 midterms can actually constrain this administration The Anthropic/Department of Defense standoff and why Landsman wants a Department of AI New Year's resolution check-ins (gluten-free life, no-shopping challenges, and sleep studies) Join us in Minneapolis for our live show this August! Tickets go on sale to premium members today (Tuesday, March 10) at 12pm EST and to the general public on Thursday, March 12 at 12pm EST. You will receive the link to purchase tickets directly if you are subscribed to Substack. If you aren’t subscribed, you can check our main page to see that post at the appointed time. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Asymmetric Endurance: Making Sense of the Iran Strikes
Sarah and Beth are joined by expert Kerry Anderson to discuss what's happening in Iran, US and Israeli objectives, regional implications, and potential pathways for regime change and stability. Topics Discussed: What are the objectives in Iran? Is regime change likely? What might happen throughout the Middle East because of this war? Will this war make the people of Iran better off? Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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967
Are We Overmatched? Ukraine, China, and the Future of War
Sarah and Beth mark the fourth anniversary of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, examining the staggering human cost of the war, what it reveals about the changing nature of modern warfare, and whether America's military is prepared for the conflicts ahead. Outside of politics, they share their philosophies on high heels. Topics Discussed: Four Years into Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine The Changing Nature of War Outside of Politics: Listener Question: High Heels? Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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966
Reacting to the SOTU, Spanberger's Response, and the Case for Rahm Emanuel
Sarah and Beth react to Trump's State of the Union address, Governor Abigail Spanberger's response, and what it all signals for 2028. Outside of politics, they turn inward and share their experience with Dan Pink's AI-powered self-reflection exercise. Topics Discussed: Trump’s State of the Union Looking Ahead to 2028 Outside of Politics: Brutal Truths from AI Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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965
Trouble's Coming: Tariffs, the Dollar, and Hidden Economic Risk
The Supreme Court ruled 6-3 that the International Emergency Economic Powers Act does not give President Trump the authority to impose sweeping global tariffs. Sarah and Beth discuss how the tariff case is just one piece of a bigger and more troubling economic picture: a weakening dollar, a bond market under pressure, and a private credit sector showing signs of serious stress. Plus, Beth has finally watched The Pitt, and she and Sarah make the case that an emergency room drama might be exactly what America needs right now. Topics Discussed: The Supreme Court says Trump’s Tariffs are Illegal Economic Indicators are Changing Outside of Politics: The Pitt Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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On the Ground in Minneapolis: Operation Metro Surge Is Far From Over
There’s a theme in today’s episode of holding the breath, which is something I’ve been doing about unrest and possible US military action in Iran. Sarah and I discuss reporting that the administration seems increasingly likely to take what they term “kinetic” action (and what Reps. Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie and Senators Tim Kaine and Rand Paul would call acts of war). Then there’s the way that our guest and friend Natalia Terfa describes holding her breath in Minneapolis. Even as Operation Metro Surge “winds down,” there are still agents and agitators. There is still fear and tension. There is damage left to repair after “it’s over,” and a sense that it’s not really over yet. We’re grateful to Natalia for her leadership on the ground and her willingness to discuss it with us today. We often talk about outside of politics as an exhale, and we hope it is today. We talk about our very-non-sports-y Winter Olympics takes, with a special shout out to all of you who participated in the Spice Cabinet Opening Ceremonies. If you’ve listened for a long time, you know that I love yoga. One of my favorite parts of a yoga class is taking a collective breath. It reminds me that we’re here. We’re alive, right now, and that’s its own form of miracle. It reminds me that we’re not alone. I hope this episode gives you that sense, too. -Beth Topics Discussed: Unrest in Iran and Potential Military Action On the Ground in Minneapolis with Natalia Terfa Outside of Politics: The Winter Olympics Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Gift Episode: Good news from AI
We’re sharing today’s good news brief with all of our followers. Join us every Thursday for more good news with Sarah. You can subscribe to PantsuitPoliticsShow.com Good morning, friends. It’s Thursday, February 19th — the Good News Brief. And since we were hard on AI this week, I thought we should remind ourselves that AI is also quietly doing something extraordinary: remaking the future of human medicine. Today’s stories are a mix of awe and genuine hope. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Colbert Censored, the SAVE Act Explained, and AI Goes to War
Today, we're discussing the latest instance of large companies pre-emptively caving to the Trump Administration: Stephen Colbert's blocked interview with Texas Senate candidate James Tallarico. With that backdrop, the House of Representatives passed the SAVE America Act, which would require proof of citizenship to register to vote. Sarah and Beth discuss why this is a conversation about voter suppression disguised as election integrity. Next, we discuss the standoff between Anthropic and the Department of Defense over the use of Claude in military operations and domestic surveillance. Outside of politics, Sarah and Beth answer a listener's question about astrology and what it means to hold those frameworks loosely in an age of data and critical thinking. Topics Discussed The Save America Act Artificial Intelligence Overwhelm Outside of Politics: Astrology and Tarot Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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When the Pitchforks Come for You
When every moment could become viral fodder, what's the cost of just living your life? Sarah and Beth examine several recent news stories that address this question of privacy and surveillance. Plus, First Ladies Abby Cox and Joanna Lydgate join to discuss political violence and the mental toll of public service. Plus, outside of politics, they express finding validation away from the obsequiousness of artificial intelligence. Topics Discussed The Glare of the Internet’s Spotlight First Ladies Abby Cox and Joanna Lydgate on Political Violence Moment of Hope: Cecilia Giménez and the Monkey Jesus Fresco Outside of Politics: Alexa Updates Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Gift Episode: Everything Is Just A Bet Away
With the proliferation of prediction markets, we're sharing this premium episode of More to Say from January with the full audience. We hope this helps you understand better what's happening in this industry and why it matters. If you enjoy this episode, we'd love for you to join us on Substack as a premium member. Go to pantsuitpoliticsshow.com for a written version of this episode (available for free) and to become a subscriber. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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959
Bad Bunny Wins the Super Bowl and the Elite Play God
Sarah and Beth discuss President Trump's racist meme-posting and why it's landing differently this time. Next, we contrast that with Bad Bunny's Super Bowl halftime show. Plus, we discuss elite incompetence at institutions like the Washington Post, the latest Epstein file releases, Super Bowl ads, and a little football. Topics Discussed President Trump Shares a Racist Meme Bad Bunny’s Super Bowl Halftime Show The Washington Post layoffs and Bezos’s priorities The Epstein files illustrate a moral bankruptcy Outside of Politics: The Super Bowl commercials (and a little football) Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Get 50% Off Monarch, the all-in-one financial tool at www.monarch.com/pantsuit. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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958
What Trump Gets Wrong About China
Sarah and Beth dig into why China suddenly feels both harder to understand and more important to pay attention to — from Xi Jinping's latest purges of military leadership to what his consolidating power means for the U.S. They also sit down with veteran journalist Jane Perlez to discuss what Americans get wrong about China. Plus, they talk about where they would hypothetically set up Pantsuit Politics International. Topics Discussed What We’re Missing On China Jane Perlez on Trade, President Xi, and the Future of China Outside of Politics: Pantsuit Politics International Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE?!
Today we're discussing rampant corruption and speculation in the Trump administration. From UAE interests investing in Trump companies days before his second inauguration, apparent payment for pardons, and Amazon's outsized investment and promotion in the Melania "documentary." We also discuss the ways that Federal Courts are pushing back on ICE enforcement throughout the US. Tickets for our Minneapolis live show and first-ever Spice Conference go on sale soon! Details here Topics Discussed UAE Corruption Scandal Bitcoin, Chips, and Pardons Federal Courts vs. ICE Outside of Politics: The Grammys Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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956
Your Calls Are Working
We're delighted to be joined by Senator Andy Kim to discuss what Congress can and should be doing to respond to the nation's current crises. Plus, we discuss the need for accountability, the importance of community engagement, and the impact of corruption on our governmental systems. Outside of politics, you won't want to miss hearing about the Senator's many delightful hobbies. Topics Discussed Senator Andy Kim on the Role of Congress Outside of Politics: Movies, Music, and Bagels Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. We're preparing for our 2026 Team Retreat. Please help us get ready by filling out this quick survey See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Minneapolis: A Moral and Political Turning Point
This weekend has shaken us deeply. We talk about the fatal shooting of Alex Pretti by federal agents in Minneapolis, the detention of children as young as two and five years old, and the protests erupting across Minnesota in sub-zero temperatures. We're struggling with the distance between what we can see with our own eyes and what the administration is telling us, and wrestling with the question of where we go from here. Topics Discussed Alex Pretti Shot By ICE Agents in Minneapolis Greed, Corruption, and Show Running in the Trump Administration Outside of Politics: Cultivating and Nurturing Online Communities Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. We're preparing for our 2026 Team Retreat. Please help us get ready by filling out this quick survey Get 50% Off Monarch, the all-in-one financial tool at www.monarch.com/pantsuit. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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ICE, Greenland, and Building From the Wreckage
This week has been emotionally exhausting, and we're feeling it too. We talk about what's been broken and lost domestically due to ICE actions in Minnesota and internationally due to President Trump's desire to acquire Greenland. We are asking ourselves how we build something more stable on the other side of all of this, whenever that comes. We want to be ready build coalitions and make changes that actually last. Topics Discussed ICE Continues to Escalate in Minnesota Greenland, Davos, and the Rupturing of the International Order Outside of Politics: The Incoming Winter Storm Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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The No-Win Dynamic: Understanding Antisemitism and Israel
Why does support for Israel fuel antisemitism on the right, while criticism of Israel fuels it on the left? The Atlantic's Yair Rosenberg returns to explain what he calls the "no-win dynamic" of prejudice—where any argument can be twisted to justify hatred. Sarah and Beth talk with Yair about his recent research revealing a surprising generational shift: younger Americans are significantly more likely to express antisemitic views than older generations, and age matters more than political party. He unpacks why this is happening—from the fading memory of World War II to the culture of edginess and transgression online—and explains why it's so hard to distinguish "a punchline from a punch." The conversation also moves beyond Israel as symbol to Israel as actual country, exploring the upcoming election, Netanyahu's grip on power, the internal battles over university diversity programs and film funding, and why understanding these complexities matters for productive conversations about the Middle East. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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952
Thomas Paine and Tyranny in Minneapolis
As things continue to escalate in Minneapolis, Sarah and Beth discuss their concerns about what the administration's actions portend. Plus, they discuss how Fed Chair Jerome Powell is pushing back as the administration targets him. For our America250 moment, they are reflecting on Common Sense by Thomas Paine and, outside of politics, they discuss 2026 predicted food trends. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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The Federal Government is Broken. Our Communities Don't Have to Be.
Sarah and Beth are joined by Elizabeth Oldfield, writer and host of The Sacred. We know the headlines are heavy this week, and Elizabeth has made a career of considering how we can stay engaged and grounded in these turbulent times. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Hosted by two women from the American heartland with different personalities, different priorities, and more in common than cable news would have you believe. Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers bring civility, nuance, and good faith to the week's biggest news — no outrage required. New episodes every Tuesday and Friday.Sales and Distribution by Lemonada Media https://lemonadamedia.com/
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