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PBJ

by With David King, Max Webster, and Steve Lee

PBJ is a weekly live show recorded at Presidio Bitcoin about open money and open intelligence. Join David King, Steve Lee, and Max Webster, longtime open technology advocates with deep roots in Silicon Valley, as they swap knowledge, challenge assumptions, and joust about the big questions of the day.

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  1. Keeping AI or SI open, Will math discoveries break ECDSA, Pathways for agentic payments

    0:00 - Confirming DK's identity 2:10 - Naming Open Source AI, how about Open Superintelligence? 5:53 - Open weights, open source, and model transparency 12:02 - Why NVIDIA could make Open Superintelligence real 19:50 - Is bitcoin dying from AI and quantum? 24:56 - ECDSA, and bitcoin’s assumptions...

  2. Starlink’s Internet Takeover, White House AI Accord, Bitcoin and Lightning for AI Agents

    0:00 - NCAA chaos and travel plans 4:06 - Deepfakes and proving identity (biometrics, signed video, Face ID) 12:07 - Key storage, social recovery and webs of trust 18:43 - Ideas for PBJ: AI fact-checkers, audience agents, live summaries 29:13 - Could an AI become PBJ’s fourth host (via Goose...

  3. Block Brings Bitcoin to x402, Open USD Enters the Race, Trump Renames AI

    0:00 - PBJ growth, consistency, and staying ad-free 12:42 - Why PBJ changed its tagline 15:00 - AI agents the users bitcoin was waiting for 18:36 - How x402 added bitcoin and Lightning support 32:44 - Getting agents and merchants to choose bitcoin 48:26 - Open USD and the new stablecoin power...

  4. Grokbot and Muse Take Agents Mainstream, Bitcoin’s Agent Moment, Dario vs Jensen on AI Pacing

    0:00 - How Buzz and GrokBot changed PBJ show prep 9:15 - Building a bitcoin-native agent with GrokBot 17:16 - Why agents will need bitcoin 19:08 - Integrating bitcoin payments into Mesh LLM 23:22 - Bitcoin vs stablecoins for agent payments (bitcoin's edge) 34:52 - Designing online services for...

  5. Blockstream Liquid's $320M Hack, Open Source AI Summit Takeaways, Vora Reveal

    0:00 - Special Thursday PBJ 0:59 - How Blockstream Liquid works and how it was hacked 6:57 - The strange (extortionate?) “white hat” twist 10:45 - AI security scanning and Liquid’s 'fix' that made things worse 12:50 - What the Liquid hack reveals about federations and custody 20:07 - How...

  6. Nvidia Bets Big on Open-Source AI, AI Finds Core Lightning Bugs, Aluminum-Powered Data Centers

    0:00 - Opening banter 0:40 - PBJ Topic Explorer 7:34 - Particle Radar brings AI search for the world’s podcasts 12:35 - Voya Energy's new approach to metal fuels for storage 23:25 - Nvidia doubles down on open-source AI (Hugging Face acquisition) 35:45 - Using GrokBot for long-horizon research...

  7. BlackRock's New Case for Bitcoin, Stripe Buys OpenRouter, David Sacks at PB

    0:00 - What's behind bitcoin's rally? 8:33 - Open Source AI Summit and questions for David Sacks 18:00 - Berd and Block’s growing stack of open-source AI agents 22:30 - Alby's TaskFuel simplifying payments for agents 30:14 - The missing credential layer for agents 36:46 - Making sense of Stripe’s...

  8. Bitcoin Security after COLDCARD, PB Media Archive Launch, Announcing the Type II Summit

    0:00 - Last week’s breakout episode 1:36 - Bitcoin, AI and energy are starting to converge 12:06 - Announcing the Type II Summit 15:05 - Panthalassa and offshore compute 17:30 - Introducing the PB Media Archive (pbarchive.ai) 22:15 - Reexamining podcast accountability and ad incentives...

  9. The COLDCARD Hack and Future of Self-Custody

    0:00 - The COLDCARD hack: bitcoin’s worst security incident ever? 4:30 - What happened and how thefts were identified 7:04 - The random-number failure behind the hack 13:24 - The right way to generate wallet entropy (i.e., dice rolls) 20:45 - Who is affected and what users should do 31:43…

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  10. Bitcoin Security Consortium, Buzz Launches, Wavelength Brings Bitcoin to Any App

    0:00 - Opening banter, Nostr momentum & voice-first computing 7:21 - Presidio Bitcoin’s visiting member program 10:30 - Bitcoin Security Consortium: quantum preparedness, tradeoffs & independent funding 26:07 - Buzz launches to strong early adoption 35:53 - Buzz’s Nostr architecture and…

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  11. Kimi K3 and the Open-Weight Race, AI Treasure Hunting, Bitcoin Falls Further Behind Gold

    0:00 Making music with AI and the limits of today’s models 3:21 - Latent spaces & the future of creativity 8:04 - Will AI surpass human curiosity? 12:54 - Using AI to rediscover the ancient past 18:23 - How AI is transforming real-world treasure hunting 33:09 - Using Buzz and agents to solve...

  12. Goose Development Kit, Spiral Expands Into AI, Can Bitcoin Names Scale?

    0:00 - World Cup fallout and opening banter 5:23 - Goose Development Kit (GDK) week at Presidio Bitcoin 9:29 - Why Spiral is expanding into AI & how it helps bitcoin 19:01 - GDK’s near-term roadmap and Mesh LLM 25:52 - Combining open and frontier AI models 33:20 - Preventing data leaks between AI...

  13. Open Source AI with Goose & Buzz, New OUSD Stablecoin, Fable 5 is Back

    0:00 Summer camp. Teaching DK what the World Cup is. Steve visits the PBJ Remote studio. 13:52 What is Goose & the alpha of what's to come with open source AI 20:40 The kinds of things Goose Development Kit enables 33:10 Come and meet the Goose team at PB next Wednesday! 39:26 DK's experience…

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  14. Announcing PB's Open Source AI Summit, Bitcoin Forks, Running Local AI Recap

    0:00 World Cup chatter, DK searching for sports on Google, Good times on Jamchat.Fun 6:05 Recap of the Local AI Builder last night here at Presidio Bitcoin. Tom's local AI setup and how he's using it. 15:05 A watershed moment when Fable received export control from the US government 20:12 Is this...

  15. Anthropic's Fable Drama, Personhood for AI, Bark Launches on Mainnet

    0:00 We keep getting requests to talk about basketball. What about the World Cup? 7:40 The future of livestreaming is https://jamchat.fun/ 15:30 Unveiling Buzz, an open source project, for AI native communications built on Nostr 25:26 Bitcoin is open source money, Nostr is open source identity...

  16. USDC on Cash App, Wand Launch, Surge, and the Zcash Crash

    00:00 Welcome back (we missed a week) 00:56 The Cash App Wand: tap-to-pay NFC device that sold out in 10 hours 09:07 Surge: a self-custody, no-KYC bitcoin-backed credit line 16:07 The Taproot design and how Surge uses it 21:28 How Surge tackles the oracle & liquidation problem 28:08 Base/Ethereum...

  17. MSTR/STRC Outlook, Bitcoin's Security Budget & AI, Evaluating the Nation-State Threat

    0:00 Getting off Twitter, losing passwords, and staying up to date with Stackernews 4:30 Why we find the Strategy conversation interesting, and we will still cover basketball 7:11 Can MSTR blow up? Unpacking the claim that Saylor is a new SBF 13:34 What are the outcomes and probabilities of…

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  18. Bitcoin Core v31 Release, Project Loupe Launches, Lightning Network's Future

    0:00 Streaming in any language you want via https://babelagent.xyz/ 10:09 It used to be that if you left your job to study bitcoin. Now it's study vibecoding. 11:50 PBJ Podcast worth a MILLION dollars? 16:44 Okay, let's talk about bitcoin 17:24 Unpacking Bitcoin Core v31 21:12 Steve's top three...

  19. Saylor to sell bitcoin, Block earnings beat, Anthropic partners with xAI

    0:00 DK gets his band back together, Max shares old hip-hop remixes on Nostr, making music with AI 4:45 The experience of paying with bitcoin on CashApp has changed hearts and minds 12:41 Steve's old tipping idea resurfaces and passes something called the "toothbrush test" 16:30 Selling bitcoin?...

  20. Frontier Models Eating All, SF's AI Dominance, Bitcoin Vegas Announcements

    0:00 May Day, hitting the road for College Basketball, and WE'RE BACK on schedule 2:20 Let's start with Vegas and Block's new Bitkey. Can it help against wrench attacks? 13:44 Tap to pay & NFC payments on Square to trigger a CashApp bitcoin transaction 16:14 CashApp now offering 5% bitcoin back…

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  21. Presidio Bitcoin's Quantum Readiness Report, Iran Wants Bitcoin, Can Mythos Break Bitcoin?

    0:00 Schedule changes and personal updates 1:50 Hack-Nation AI Global Hackathon @ PB and Spiral’s bitcoin payments challenge 5:40 Lowering the barrier & reducing friction for builders new to bitcoin 8:55 Student outreach and Presidio Bitcoin as a bridge into bitcoin 11:25 Iran, Strait of Hormuz...

  22. Google's Quantum Warning Overblown?, OpenAI Acquires TBPN, Jack Dorsey Makes Block Mini-AGI

    0:00 Opening banter and agenda setting 2:00 Google and Oratomic quantum papers & the “n minus one” framing 6:44 Quantum uncertainty: AI acceleration & s-curves 10:06 Preparedness planning and scenario-based bitcoin responses 11:52 Why government and corporate quantum timelines are misleading…

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  23. Coinbase Mortgages, Privacy for AI and Payments, Lexe Launches

    0:00 Opening banter, Iowa State, and March Madness stakes 07:10 Coinbase’s Bitcoin-backed mortgage model 11:12 Who the Coinbase mortgage product is really for 20:58 Competitive implications for Bitcoin lending and housing finance 27:40 De minimis tax policy and the case for Bitcoin payments 31:27...

  24. Bitcoin's Branding Problem, AI's Impact on Open Source, Can Spiral's Playbook Work for AI?

    0:00 March Madness and opening banter 06:30 Square’s latest Bitcoin payments rollout and the remaining merchant adoption hurdles 16:13 Bitcoin branding problems and the challenge of negative first impressions 21:30 Reframing the Bitcoin merchant pitch around Lightning, fee savings, and cleaner UX...

  25. Strategy's STRC Buying Spree, Open-Source AI Blind Spots, Bitcoin Stablecoins from Utexo & Ark

    0:00 Opening banter: Elon chocolate, Dipsea registration, and college basketball 9:55 New York PubKey ₿uilder event and Spiral retreat recap 12:35 Presenting agentic commerce and the case for Bitcoin payments 15:50 Agentic payments: open questions, hype vs reality 18:35 Hype vs reality in current...

  26. Codex vs Claude Vibe Coding, Study Shows AI Agents Prefer Bitcoin, Kazakhstan to Add BTC?

    0:00 Presidio power outage almost cancels show & FSD catch-up 05:45 State of AI coding tools: Claude, Codex, Gemini, and workflow shifts 14:50 Writing, AI-dependence, and finding the right human-AI creative process 17:25 Career advice for students and why AI fluency is now paramount 21:54 PB as a...

  27. Meta Stablecoins Return, Open-Source Agents, OpenClaw Builder Meetup

    0:00 The Presidio Bitcoin Index 04:35 Haley’s raffle tool and the promise of vibe coding 09:00 OpenClaw Builder meetup attracting a huge non-Bitcoin audience 11:40 Jesse Posner’s presentation and the expanding AI vision behind Vora 16:17 Demand for personal agent hardware and secure local AI...

  28. OpenClaw joins OpenAI, Agent Wallets and Payments, Lightning vs Stablecoins for Agentic Commerce

    0:00 Studio reset and laying down the law after technical issues 1:25 Mardi Gras whiplash and escaping the SF tech/AI bubble 2:35 Post-AGI life, work, and the “permanent underclass” 7:40 Presidio Bitcoin Index teaser 9:45 What “open source” means in an agent world 12:15 Ideating agent-native…

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  29. Y Combinator's USDC Move, Ori Agent Group Chats, OpenClaw Meetup

    0:00 Sat tardiness fines 2:18 OpenClaw meetup recap 6:00 Why OpenClaw feels different than “just Claude” 8:58 “Is this already AGI?” 13:05 Ori explained: productized OpenClaw bot that joins group chats 15:54 Group chat vibecoding 20:27 Ori's moneydevkit (MDK) integration - frictionless, under the...

  30. Moltbot is Molting Again, Musk SpaceX and xAI Merger, Is Broader Crypto Dying?

    0:00 Accountants telling merchants to turn off bitcoin acceptance? Shoutout to Satoshi Pacioli. 6:14 What the guys won at the Presidio Bitcoin Awards Night. 9:42 Block moving to the ₿ symbol, goodbye Sats! 15:07 Robots are making their own agreements that Bitcoin is the best. 20:37 Let's take a...

  31. Unpacking Bitcoin's Underperformance, Vibecoding with Nostr, Prediction Markets

    0:00 DK is back in the studio, Hans Moravec's predictions, Deepmind hiring an AGI economist. 5:41 David Marcus and John Komkov's take on AI using and choosing Bitcoin. Google vs OpenAI. 10:17 BTC underperformance due to rotation into AI? 20:44 The GPU Marketplace to earn bitcoin and the economics...

  32. Unveiling Flint, Michael Saylor on What Bitcoin Did, Comparing Bitcoin Treasuries

    0:00 Penalizing tardiness and the “pot” idea 2:30 Current vibe coding frustrations & friction 11:50 Flint announced live on PBJ: why now, what it’s for, and who it’s for 20:10 Flint (Firewood) showcase: DK's vibe-coded app The Shed - Strava for piano 27:00 Nostr social graph and open identity as…

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  33. Amjad & Paul Graham notice MDK, What is BuckToken, Walmart sorta accepts Bitcoin

    0:00 Welcome to 2026! First bitcoin block, college basketball, mental resets & resolutions. 9:33 Strategies for reducing attention on algorithm-based platforms and even tools like Discord. 18:22 We blame Elon for starting the show late! 21:18 Wal-Mart accepts Bitcoin! (sorta) 25:55 Jack Dorsey's...

  34. Our 2026 Predictions, Contentious Forks, Vibe Coding Community

    0:00 Does Max's Snoopy sweatshirt count as holiday flair? 3:00 Building timelocks in Bitcoin using vibe coding. 10:27 Is vibe coding secure enough for Bitcoin? If so, we have a ton of ideas! 19:08 Thoughts on creating a vibe coding community? 30:22 Our last show of 2025: Reviewing how we did with...

  35. Human Bitcoin Addresses, SHRINCS Post-Quantum Signatures, Bitcoin Gift Cards

    0:00 Celebrating our 50th episode a week late, Steve's travel to Iowa to watch basketball. 5:57 Generating ideas at PB & ₿uilder. Will Max actually build one using Gemini 3 or just befriend it? 11:50 Bitcoin Merchant Community is up to a couple thousand businesses. Join today! 19:28 Hivetalk Demo...

  36. Bitcoin in AI Models, Fold's Gift Cards, Bitkey Private Purchasing

    0:00 Changing of the seasons, visiting Japan, Green Tea, College basketball. 8:14 Prediction markets going mainstream. Gambling vs. investing and embracing life at the tails. 13:47 Steve and DK's disagreement with stocks, indexes, and the S&P 500. 17:08 Bitkey private purchasing for safe hardware...

  37. Did Quantum FUD Price, Bitcoin Merchant Community, Competing with Stripe

    0:00 This was (almost) our final show as we approach our one-year anniversary. 3:04 Spiral's wave 2 of merchant adoption 10:50 Organizing the incredible content and how to answer questions on Bitcoin usage 18:34 Takeaways and thoughts on Block's recent Investor Day and reception of Bitcoin 36:18...

  38. Bitcoin Acceptance on Square, Unpacking the Lava Drama, CashApp & Lightning Dollars

    0:00 It's good to be back to our regularly scheduled programming for the biggest week in Bitcoin. 3:16 Onboarding the 4 million Square merchants to Bitcoin. 8:01 Why Bitcoin payments could actually take off this time & integrating with BTC Map. 14:51 Why did Silicon Valley get Bitcoin wrong, and…

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  39. Type I Summit Recap, Fusion to Terawatts, Bitcoin in Space & Ocean Power

    Live from the Type I Summit at Presidio Bitcoin! 00:00 Type I summit recap: bet the curves 03:35 Rethinking nuclear & fusion optimism 07:17 Terawatt-scale AI demand & the “psychopath” builder 15:25 Ocean power, frontier energy & bitcoin/AI demand 19:39 Mega-project ideas: Bitcoin in space…

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  40. 17 Years Since the White Paper, BIP 444 Fork Announced, Square v Saylor's Bitcoin Approach

    0:00 Happy Halloween! (Sorry for the audio issue!) 3:02 Fixed the mics! Only two people responded to Satoshi in the first 24 hours! 6:32 Facts from the 2008 Bitcoin White Paper launch. Same date as Martin Luther in 1517. Planned? 9:11 Numerology in the white paper? The beauty in the mystery of...

  41. Strike's BTC-backed credit, Zcash if Bitcoin fails, Merchant adoption with Square

    0:00 Welcome to the Presidio Zcash Jam and our similarities to the View. 1:29 Silicon Valley doesn't know you can build on Bitcoin. 4:02 Latest from the ₿uilder Meetup at Presidio Bitcoin. 7:36 Takeaways from Square's merchant product presentation at ₿uilder 14:44 Creating a Bitcoin Merchant...

  42. Signal Messenger using Bitcoin, Funding developers, Perspectives of Jack, Saylor & Elon

    0:00 Hiking, biking, and growing food in the blue skies of SF 4:52 Signal messaging adopting Bitcoin? History, Considerations, & Paths Forward. 14:55 How Signals journey shows the difference between open & closed networks. 22:32 Concerns with various implementation architectures. Mints, KYC, MSB...

  43. Square's big release, Insatiable energy demand, Update from Berlin Conference

    0:00 Orange phones, orange signs. 1:30 Updates from Berlin Conference, experiences around Berlin, experiencing history. 8:19 Steve's presentation on Spark at BTC++ 10:35 Differences and interplay between Ark & Spark & Lightning. 14:36 How these technologies can bring more people into Bitcoin and...

  44. Core v30's change, Miner centralization, Managing attention algorithms

    CHAPTER HIGHLIGHTS: 0:00 Why we changed the time this week, Open Source & Corporations, wearing suits. 7:40 OP_Return, V30, and what is top of mind for the business-oriented community. 10:00 Unpacking the mechanics of the claim that Bitcoin will die due to illicit content. 20:35 Why make these...

  45. Why Silicon Valley misses Bitcoin, corporate adoption (Block vs Stripe), new builder tools

    0:00 — Early hype and the payments mistake (2010–2013) 03:35 — Who “gets” bitcoin? Trust vs smarts 09:57 — Better tools & the new builder era 12:51 — The next breakout Bitcoin company: infrastructure to applications 23:09 — AI changes things: timelines, payments, investor incentives & global…

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  46. Type 1 Energy Summit, The Billionaire Flippening, and iPhone 17’s Memory Upgrade

    In this episode, the crew explores the path to a Type 1 Civilization powered by Bitcoin, AI, and solar — and previews the upcoming Type 1 Summit at Presidio Bitcoin. They break down the Billionaire Flippening thesis, where bitcoin billionaires surpass fiat billionaires and redirect wealth into...

  47. Comparing L2 tradeoffs, Incentive structures in payments, Stablecoins on Spark

    0:00 DK is back in the studio next week! Swimming in cold water and using a wetsuit. 3:40 Breaking News: Spark announces Stablecoins on Bitcoin and unpacking who will win in the stablecoin landscape. 10:28 Unpacking Spark, how it works, and its three structures. 18:57 How Spark uses state chains…

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  48. Google Cloud Universal Ledger, Tech Companies Posing Threats to Banks, AI Privacy

    00:00 Welcome to the Presidio Bitcoin Jam 02:12 ₿uilder Meetup #3 Recap 05:41 Designing better vibe-coding experiences 08:11 Why agents struggle with Lightning/Nostr integrations, the Lexe SDK example, and the need for machine-ready repos. 11:49 What it might look like if dev teams built MCP...

  49. Bitchat's growing adoption, Future of stablecoins, Bitcoin lending

    0:00 Welcome to the Presidio Bitcoin Jam. 1:55 Bitchat, Bitechat, and submitting to the App Store. 8:38 Publishing free and open source applications. 15:15 Does this get us back to the Delete IP debate? 22:17 What will the future look like, bringing together a Chatbot, GitHub, App Stores, and...

  50. Proto Mining announced, Google Play wallet hiccup, Stripe & Circle L1 chains

    0:00 Airports, Power Outages, Nik Bhatia at PB. 4:01 After 4.5 years of development, Block unveils the new Proto Mining Chip. 13:00 Proto's new open source mining fleet management software and approach. 19:14 Proto's modular approach could unleash new mining form factors and applications. 24:25...

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PBJ is a weekly live show recorded at Presidio Bitcoin about open money and open intelligence. Join David King, Steve Lee, and Max Webster, longtime open technology advocates with deep roots in Silicon Valley, as they swap knowledge, challenge assumptions, and joust about the big questions of the day.

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