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Proofing and Lies
by Elle Rochford
Guest experts join sociologist Elle Rochford to dive into new topics and new baking projects every other Monday! Social scientist and amateur baker, Elle, interviews guest experts each week to talk through important political and social issues. Follow Proofing and Lies on Instagram (@ProofingAndLies) or on twitter (@ProofingL) to check out how each baking project turned out and be sure to like, subscribe, follow, and review PAL wherever podcasts are found.
Episodes
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049 Olive Bread, Parole, and Disaster with Felicia A. Henry
This week Elle talks with University of Delaware sociologist, Felicia A. Henry. Her dissertation work examines the intersection between the criminal legal system, race, and natural disasters. Check out her work at http://www.feliciahenry.com/ and check out Elle's bread on Instagram @ProofingAndLies
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048 Fashionable Tarts and T-Shirts with Dr. Emily Newman
This week Elle created a dark chocolate tart with a high fashion white chocolate swirl to go with Dr. Emily Newman's work on political fashion. Newman is an Associate Professor of Art History at Texas A&M Commerce. Her new book Fashioning Politics and Protests: New Visual Cultures of Feminism in...
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047 Banana Bread Cheesecake and GBV in Sports
We're back! PAL is back with new episodes every other week. This week Elle experiments with dessert mashups and talks with Katelyn Foltz about gender-based violence in sports. Foltz is a sociologist out of the University of Maryland who helped launch the first publicly accessible database of...
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Introducing: Measuring Violence
PAL co-host Elle is branching out! Every other Wednesday find Elle on Measuring Violence, the University of Delaware's Center for the Study and Prevention of Gender-Based Violence new podcast. Measuring Violence explores how experts define, quantify, and prevent violence. Each episode highlights...
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046 Pumpkin Pie, Twitter, and Dr. Thomas Lecaque
This week Elle talks with pal of PAL historian Thomas Lecaque about the significance of twitter and the possibility that it may fall apart under new leadership. Elle pitches Neopets as a twitter alternative and Dr. Lecaque talks about what Mastodon is and isn't (spoiler: it isn't twitter). Check...
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045 Pumpkin Loaf and Midterms with Jennifer Dudley
This week Elle shares her pumpkin chai loaf cake with white chocolate chai glaze and Jennifer Dudley discusses her work on Congressional civility. Reilly and Elle have a lot of questions about civility, politeness, and the midterms. Check out Dudley's work at www.jenniferdudley.info and check out...
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044 Earl Grey Tart and Play Along at Home
This week Reilly quizzes Elle on U.S. demographics! How well can you estimate populations within the U.S.? Play along at home and tweet @ProofingL with how you did. Check out Elle's lemon and earl grey tart on Instagram @ProofingAndLies. Be sure to like, follow, share, and review!
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043 Honey Buns and Solitary Confinement with Drs Smith and Hattery
Interview begins at 7:33 Reilly and Elle talk about recreating a popular snack food and Dr. Earl Smith and Dr. Angie Hattery come on to talk about their new book Way Down in the Hole: Race, Intimacy, and the Reproduction of Racial Ideologies in Solitary Confinement. For a chance to win a copy of...
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042 Christopher Columbus is a Bad Person with Dr. Thomas Lecaque
Interview begins 10:42 It's episode 42 and Columbus sailed the ocean blue (and hoped to trigger the apocalypse). Fan favorite Dr. Thomas Lecaque is back to tell us about Christopher Columbus! The actual, historical figure is often lost in the modern myths about him. Reilly and Elle get into the...
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041 Mug Cakes, Monkey Pox, and Stigma with Dr. Stephanie Wilson
Reilly bakes this week! Reilly and Elle talk with Applied Worldwide co-founder, Stephanie Wilson, about stigma and health inequalities. The public discourse around monkey pox made the outbreak this summer more potentially dangerous. Wilson explains how as well as how the LGBTQ community builds...
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040 Island Cake and Misc. Misinf. with Reilly Kincaid
New co-host alert! Reilly Kincaid joins PAL this season! This week we talk about our first fight - over an island cake - and our favorite/least favorite pieces of misinformation
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039 Biscuit Art and Costume Design with Dr. Ella Hawkins
This week Elle interviews design historian and biscuit artist Dr. Ella Hawkins. From pottery shards to Game of Thrones, Hawkins's biscuits celebrate history and costumes. An expert in Shakespearian costuming, Hawkins went viral for her fabulously decorated cookies. She discusses her work and her...
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038 Hamantashen and Hope and Honor with Dr. Rachel Einwohner
This week Elle is joined by guest co-host Dr. Zachary Palmer and guest expert Dr. Rachel Einwohner. Dr. Einwohner's latest book, Hope and Honor: Jewish Resistance during the Holocaust, is out today (1-24-22). Find it here:...
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037 Macarons and Coming Out to the Street with Dr. Robinson
It's 2022! New year, new logo, new format? This year Andrew will be defending the public full time so Elle will be hosting full time with a rotating batch of guests! PAL will keep producing great episodes and amateur baking. 2022 is the year of redo's. We're kicking off PAL 2022 with a redo of...
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036 Libum and the Classics with Nadhira Hill
This week Andrew and Elle live out their childhood dreams by talking with real life archeologist Nadhira Hill. Hill is a PhD candidate at the University of Michigan studying ceramics and drinking cultures in Ancient Greece. Hill also runs Notes from the Apotheke a blob about BIPOC in the…
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035 Mural Cake and Entitled with Dr. Jennifer Lena
This week Andrew and Elle talk with Professor Jennifer Lena about her book Entitled. Her book explores the politics and history of the American art scene. From FDR's WPA to tattooing as high art, Dr. Lena's book unpacks how we decide what art is. Elle recreates a WPA mural out of buttercream in...
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034 Ice Cream and Abortion Narratives with Sarah Combellick
This week Elle and guest host Reilly Kincaid discuss how people talk about their abortions, the joys of owning an ice cream maker, and the perfect toppings for frozen treats. Reilly's ice cream pairings may be more controversial than abortion. Sarah Combellick, PhD Candidate in Sociology at the...
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033 Sugar Pyramids and MLMs with Mallory Rees
This week Elle and Andrew talk with Mallory Rees, PhD Candidate at UCLA. Rees discusses DSOs (direct selling organizations), MLMs (multilevel marking), and pyramid schemes. She explains why so many women join MLMs and DSOs despite the social stigma. She also discusses intensive mothering and...
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032 Cornbread and Supply Chains with Professor Matthew Hockenberry
This week Elle and Andrew talk supply chains with Professor Matthew Hockenberry. Andrew tried his hand at tracing ingredients and handled all the baking this week! He used a cornbread recipe from the defector. (https://defector.com/lets-bake-some-cornbread) Check out his bake on Instagram...
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031 Chocolate Opera Cake and No Real Choice with Prof. Katrina Kimport
This week Elle and Andrew talk with Professor Katrina Kimport about her new book, No Real Choice, and her recent article "What are We Forgetting" (co-authored with Prof. Krystale Littlejohn). Prof. Kimport discusses the legal, financial, and social barriers to abortion. Andrew and Elle tackle the...
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030 Soufflé and Citizens for a Safer Cleveland with LaTonya Goldsby
This week Elle and Andrew talk with LaTonya Goldsby, co-founder and president of Cleveland Black Lives Matter, about Issue 24. The initiate would create a permanent civilian oversight board. Andrew and Elle talk in-depth with Goldsby about what makes this measure so important. Learn more about...
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029 Ice Cream Sandwiches and Backlash with Dr. Thomas Lecaque
Bad ideas never die and good guests are always welcome back. This week we catch up with what Dr. Thomas Lecaque has been doing since episode 18. We talk about QAnon, mask mandates, backlash, trolling, and "cancel culture." Andrew and Elle revisit cookies and bring a new iteration with ice cream...
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028 White Chocolate Flower Cake and Climate Activism and Repression with Elane Westfaul
Welcome back! We're thrilled to kick off season 3 with Elane Westfaul. Remember when we talked about domestic terrorism with Anna Meier (episode 11)? This week we talk to Elane Westfaul about invoking "terrorism" when the environment is in play. This week we explore the flexibility of 'terrorism'...
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Season 3 Updates
Andrew and Elle are taking a summer vacation! We'll be back in September with more guest experts, more baking, and BETTER MICS! In season three we'll catch up with past guests and revisit some baking fails. Remember to review, subscribe, and share widely!
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027 Chocolates and "Debating the Drug War" with Professor Michael Rosino
This week Andrew and Elle talk with Prof. Michael Rosino about his new book Debating the Drug War: Race, Politics, and the Media. His book is available through Routledge or wherever books are sold. We discuss the history of the drug wars in the US and why public perceptions of some drugs change...
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026 Chocolate Truffle Cake, Sports, Gender, and Trans Athletes with Dr. Karissa Conrad
This week Andrew and Elle are joined by Dr. Karissa Conrad to talk about her work on sports and gender. They discuss the recent efforts to ban trans and nonbinary students from school sports and how athletics are used to reinforce gender and sex essentialism. Elle and Andrew also turn a cake fail...
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025 Tiramisu Cheesecake, Space, Place, and Protest with Dr. Kaitlin Kelly-Thompson
This week Andrew and Elle talk with Dr. Kaitlin Kelly-Thompson about her dissertation which recently won the APSA Women, Gender, and Politics Section 2021 Best Dissertation Award. Elle makes a tiramisu cheesecake for Andrew's birthday. We discuss her research on Gezi Park, the Women's March, and...
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024 Blackberry Coconut Tart and Policing Welfare with Professor Spencer Headworth
Elle and Andrew are joined by Professor Spencer Headworth this week to discuss his new book Policing Welfare: Punitive Adversarialism in Public Assistance. They also find uses for all the ingredients they've accumulated during season two. Check out their tart on Instagram @ProofingAndLies and…
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023 Classic Macarons and BhD with Drs Daphne Penn and Tyrell Connor
This week we talk with BhD (Black and Highly Dangerous) podcast hosts Daphne and Tyrell about public sociology and their upcoming book The Dark Side of Reform. Andrew and Elle try their hands at a classic French macaron (pictures on Instagram @ProofingAndLies). You can find more BhD where…
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022 Baklava, Palestine, and TikTok with James Ray
This week Andrew and Elle are joined by social media strategist James Ray. James talks about using TikTok to educate his 182.6k followers about economic justice, Palestine, and political theory. Andrew and Elle try making baklava for the first time - their first bake using store bought pastry....
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021 Pasta and Anti-Vaxx Movements with Dr. Catherine Tan
This week Andrew and Elle are joined by Dr. Catherine Tan to discuss some of the reasons why and how people become anti-vaxxers. Dr. Tan shares some insights from her current book project Challenging Autism: The Making of Controversial Bodies and Identities. Andrew and Elle share some of their…
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020 Coconut Crème Brulee and Sister Style with Dr. Nadia Brown
This week Andrew and Elle are joined by award winning political scientist Dr. Nadia Brown to discuss her new book Sister Style: The Politics of Appearance for Black Women Political Elites (by Nadia Brown and Danielle Casarez Lemi). From Tessica Brown to Stacey Abrams, the public (especially on...
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019 Pony Picture Cookies and the Connections Between Bronies and Fringe Politics with Dr. Zachary Palmer
This week Elle and Andrew make a sugar cookie with a colorful picture design and talk with Dr. Zachary Palmer about his work on Bronies, the Men's Rights Movement, and online culture. We discuss the overlap between Bronies (adult men who are fans of My Little Pony) and political extremist...
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018 Cookies and the Medieval Origins of QAnon with Dr. Thomas Lecaque
"Bad ideas never die." This week Historian Thomas Lecaque brings us a cookie recipe and his analysis of QAnon. Andrew and Elle make a few versions of cookies and learn about the crusades, many maybe apocalypses, and the endurance of prejudices.
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017 Millionaire Shortbread and Debt with Dr. Louise Seamster
This week we talk about debt - student debt, housing debt, medical debt, city debt, and country debt. If tuition and endowments are going up how are universities still in need of austerity? Dr. Louise Seamster joins us to talk about what debt means and how it works (and WHO it works for). Andrew...
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016 Lemon Mango Cake and Applied Worldwide
The lemon cake was good, the mango curd was meh, and the guest experts were incredible! This week we collabed with Applied Worldwide, an organization that specializes in applied sociology and connecting sociologists from all over. Co-Founders Stephanie Wilson and Luke Hanna join Andrew and Elle…
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015 Pizza and PANIC with Dr. Lindsay Hamm
We're jumping right in with moral panics! This week Elle and Andrew talk about the history, demographics, and consequences of moral panics with Professor Lindsay Hamm. From the Salem Witch Trials to Wayfair and QAnon, we dive into the who, what and whys of moral panics. We also discuss a homemade...
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014 NYE Challenge and the Misinformation of 2020 Part 3
Andrew and Elle finish their 2020 recap of misinformation. This week they share how they repurposed their NYE challenge leftovers and ingredients and dive into the M4BL protests, myths and realities about child trafficking, and how social media algorithms radicalize people. This episode is the...
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013 NYE Challenge and the Misinformation of 2020 Part 2
Andrew and Elle are back with Part 2 (of 3) on the biggest misinformation stories of 2020 and the second half of their New Year's Eve cooking challenge. This week they cover more COVID falsehoods and misunderstandings as well as the election law suits. Check out the NYE challenge featured on...
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012 NYE Challenge and the Misinformation of 2020 Part 1
Part 1 of 3, detailing Andrew and Elle's New Year's Eve Challenge and unpacking the misinformation of 2020. In Part 1, Andrew and Elle discuss COVID and the confusing, sometimes misleading information surrounding the early days of the pandemic. They also share the first half of their six course…
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011 Holiday Baking and Understanding Terrorism Policies with Anna Meier
This week Andrew and Elle go all out on holiday baking from sculpted caramel to doggie treats. They also dive into the far less fun subject of terrorism - how we understand it and what policies are trying to address it. Andrew and Elle are joined this week by policy expert Anna Meier, PhD…
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010 Babka and Science Communication with Rob Weiner
Babkas with Robka! This week Andrew and Elle are joined by Rob Weiner, PhD student in Agricultural Sciences Education and Communication at Purdue University. Rob shares their babka recipe, tips, and tricks and explains how science is made and how we could be talking about it more effectively.…
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009 Sandwich Cookies and Sovereign Citizens
Andrew and Elle discuss the history and unique logic of "sovereign citizens" a group of people who claim US laws don't apply to them. Elle shares her favorite caramel recipe and this week's baking project: chocolate caramel sandwich cookies. Andrew shares his experiences with sovereign citizens…
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008 Herb Bread (fail) and City-Level Climate Change Policy with Devon Cantwell
Andrew and Elle try out a new bread recipe and discuss how cities are preparing for (or ignoring) climate change. This week they are joined by Devon Cantwell, graduate student at the University of Utah and founder of the City Climate Change Lab. Cantwell explains mitigation and adaptation...
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007 Cupcakes and Art in the Pandemic with Gracie Martin
Performer and musician, Gracie Martin, join Andrew and Elle to talk about how Covid has impacted the art scene. From canceled tours to wondering about innovative ways to create in the future, Gracie talks about how the pandemic has changed her plans. Andrew and Elle try out a single serve cupcake...
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006 Jam Rolls and Solidarity with Professor Fernando Tormos-Aponte
This week Andrew and Elle make a jammy tray bake perfect for sharing with your community. Professor of Public Policy at UMBC Fernando Tormos-Aponte shares his expertise on solidarity, identity politics, and intersectionality. They also dive into the summer of protests, elections, and Puerto Rican...
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005 Raindrop Cakes and Severe Weather with Allison LaFleur
Andrew and Elle take a break from electoral politics to talk about the weather... More specifically the increasing number of severe storms and how scientists track storms and understand weather patterns. Atmospheric scientist and PhD student, Allison LaFleur, talks about storm chasing, measuring...
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004 Povitica and the Balkans (Part 2)
We're back with more on the Balkans. Andrew answers more questions about history and current events in the region, including how can renaming a lake create lasting peace? (SPOILER: It can't and it didn't). Check out @ProofingAndLies on Instagram for pictures of the finished povitica. It's…
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003 Povitica and the Balkans (Part 1)
Andrew and Elle talk about a complicated traditional chocolate and walnut bread and an even more complicated region. From the Ottoman Empire to the most recent elections, Andrew unpacks the Balkans. Check out our Instagram @ProofingAndLies for photos of our povitica (it turned out... well you'll...
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002 Bagels and the Social Construction of Race
This week Andrew and Elle talk bagels and discuss how racial categories are made (and sometimes unmade) through policies and activism. They dive into research about genetics, history, law, and immigration. For bagel recipes and shaping demos check out @ProofingAndLies on Instagram. For more on…
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Guest experts join sociologist Elle Rochford to dive into new topics and new baking projects every other Monday! Social scientist and amateur baker, Elle, interviews guest experts each week to talk through important political and social issues. Follow Proofing and Lies on Instagram (@ProofingAndLies) or on twitter (@ProofingL) to check out how each baking project turned out and be sure to like, subscribe, follow, and review PAL wherever podcasts are found.
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Elle Rochford
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