Riffs on Riffs

What happens when R&B, grunge, hip-hop and a healthy disregard for genre boundaries all collide? This week, Joe and Toby dive into Steve Lacy’s “Oh Yeah?,” a track that found new life through the Spider-Man soundtrack and opens the door to a much bigger conversation about where music and culture itself is headed. They unpack Lacy’s stripped-down, almost stream-of-consciousness approach to songwriting, the vulerability running through his music, and why today’s artists seem increasingly comfortable trading polish and perfection for something more immediate and human. From the return of live bands to bedroom production, alternative R&B, retro soul and artists who refuse to stay neatly inside a single genre, the musical map is getting wonderfully messy. But the conversation goes beyond music. Joe and Toby wrestle with the weight younger generations are carrying, the tension between fatalism and hope, and whether the same generation questioning old rules about music is also preparing to rewrite some of the rules about work, culture and society. Plus, they make the case for building your own yearly soundtrack instead of letting Spotify do it for you, and share what they’re listening to now, including Baby Rose, Jungle, Buttered, Nothing But Thieves, LP, Lucky Daye, Leon Thomas and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ariana Grande is going a little feral, but she’s doing it with remarkable restraint. This week, Joe and Toby dig into “Petal” and Ariana’s latest album, exploring how one of pop’s most gifted vocalists is choosing subtlety over fireworks and using her music to say some things she may have been too polite to say before. The image of a flower pushing through concrete becomes the perfect metaphor: resilience isn’t always about becoming harder. Sometimes it’s about staying soft, authentic, and unmistakably yourself despite everything pushing against you. From there, the riffs go where the riffs go. The guys wrestle with the price of fame, our strange sense of ownership over artists, the pressure to constantly achieve more, and why walking away can sometimes be as courageous as pushing forward. They get into work-life balance, artists like André 3000 and Fiona Apple who chose different paths, handwritten letters, looksmaxxing, aging, beauty standards, and the exhausting pursuit of external validation. Ultimately, it all comes back to boundaries: knowing what belongs to the world, what belongs to you, and when it’s time to put up the stop sign. Plus: Earl Grey, Doctor Doom, gym mirrors, gray beards, terrible tours, and a surprisingly useful theory involving speed bumps. How are you growing through the concrete? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Prepare for an intergalactic funk transmission as Joe and Toby explore “Fabiano” by Quebec duo Angine de Poitrine. Armed with masks, polka dots, microtonal guitars, dizzying rhythms, and enough looping pedals to frighten a Guitar Hero champion, these two musicians create a sound that is equal parts math rock, funk, jazz, and delightful absurdity. But the riffs quickly launch a much bigger conversation. What does anonymity allow an artist to create? Can limitations actually make us more inventive? Who should be trusted with an unfinished idea, and how do we keep one careless opinion from crushing the creative cake before it has finished baking? Joe and Toby also dig into the power of long-term creative partnerships, the confidence born from struggle, the tension between artistic freedom and the desire for recognition, and the identities that remain underneath our everyday careers. Plus, they consider what their 13-year-old selves would think of them today and share some of the artists currently filling their headphones. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What are you willing to die on a hill for? For rising British singer-songwriter Sienna Spiro, the question becomes a haunting exploration of loyalty, stubbornness, and the moment you realize you may be fighting for someone who would never fight for you. In this episode, Joe and Toby dig into Spiro’s breathtaking single “Die on This Hill,” from its stripped-back piano opening and sweeping string arrangement to the audible sigh that closes the track. They explore how a failed attempt to learn “Bohemian Rhapsody” sparked the song, why it took countless versions to uncover its true form, and how Spiro learned that restraint can sometimes reveal more than vocal fireworks. The conversation also traces the influences behind her timeless sound, including Stevie Wonder, Billy Joel, Nina Simone, Adele, Lana Del Rey, and Amy Winehouse, along with the remarkable praise she has received from Sir Elton John. Along the way, Joe and Toby wrestle with artistic vulnerability, stage personas, the value of creative repetition, and why listeners may be craving unmistakably human music in the age of AI. Plus, the guys share what they have been listening to lately, champion artists still bubbling beneath the algorithm, and make the case for why Sienna Spiro is unquestionably vinyl worthy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Joe and Toby dive into Olivia Rodrigo’s “Drop Dead,” unpacking the emotional precision, lyrical sharpness, and intimate vocal delivery that make her music feel like an inner monologue. The conversation explores how Rodrigo’s songwriting connects across generations, pulling younger listeners into the immediacy of heartbreak while transporting older listeners back to their own formative relationships. The hosts also trace the song’s sonic and cultural echoes, from The Cure and ’80s/’90s alternative textures to the cinematic potential of Rodrigo’s catalog as the soundtrack for teen romance, obsession, horror, or beautifully awkward coming-of-age stories. Along the way, they discuss Amy Allen’s songwriting influence, Dan Nigro’s production, the strange experience of celebrity in the wild, and why great songs can bridge age, memory, and emotional time travel. As always, the episode wanders joyfully into side quests, including New York celebrity sightings, Helena Bonham Carter near-collisions, Dash & Lily, Spider-Verse, PM Dawn, and a recommendation for Australian artist Ethan French. It’s a conversation about Rodrigo’s artistry, but also about why certain songs don’t just get heard. They follow you around. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on Riffs on Riffs, we tackle one of the most polarizing artists of the modern era: Drake, his track “Janice STFU,” and the massive cultural machine surrounding the release of Iceman. Alonog the way, Toby and Joe discuss celebrity, marketing, authenticity, attention spans, social media, AI, and whether modern culture has become addicted to constant stimulation. We break down Drake’s ambitious album rollout, from elaborate promotional stunts and livestreams to the strategy of dominating conversation through sheer volume. Joe compares Drake to KISS as a case study in marketing genius. The result is a fascinating discussion about what makes an artist culturally unavoidable, even when critics and fans can’t agree on the music itself. The conversation also revisits the lingering shadow of Drake’s legendary feud with Kendrick Lamar. Was it genuine animosity, performance art, or some combination of both? And what does it say about modern audiences that conflict itself has become part of the product? From meditation and dopamine addiction to birds nesting outside Joe’s front door, the episode becomes a reflection on what many of us seem to be craving right now: something real. We explore how technology, algorithms, and endless content have left us exhausted, and why artists like Leon Thomas, Olivia Dean, and others are finding success by returning to more organic, human forms of music-making. Come for the Drake debate. Stay for the philosophy, birds, blues, and unexpected reflections on what it means to truly listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on Riffs on Riffs, we dive into “Fallin” by Chris Brown featuring Leon Thomas, and what starts as a conversation about one song quickly turns into a full-blown exploration of modern R&B, blues revivalism, AI music culture, performance authenticity, and why pain sometimes translates into great art. We unpack the cinematic weight of the song and its visual parallels to Sinners, asking whether the video is homage, influence, or something in between. We also explore how artists like Leon Thomas are helping Usher (pun intended) R&B back toward its blues roots, trading glossy perfection for something more raw, intimate, and emotionally honest. Along the way, we tackle the complicated reality of Chris Brown’s legacy. Can you separate the art from the artist? Why do some public figures become permanently polarizing while others seem to escape scrutiny entirely? Rather than offering easy answers, we sit with the tension and focus on the music itself: the harmonies, the live performance chops, the emotional weight, and the undeniable impact Chris Brown has had on modern R&B over the last two decades. The episode also veers into conversations about AI-generated music, disappearing physical media, underground mixtape culture, the return of vinyl and CDs, and why younger generations may be losing spaces where they can simply exist without being recorded. And somewhere in the middle of all that? Buddy Guy, Bruno Mars, Usher, Japanese vinyl pressings, Entourage, and the possibility that the blues are making a massive comeback. This one sprawls like a late-night jam session in a smoke-filled juke joint. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Riffs on Riffs, we unpack “Folded” by Kehlani—a song that’s equal parts breakup, late-night temptation, and emotional tug-of-war. Inspired by a shoutout from Olivia Dean, we dive into why this track has resonated so widely—and why it might not be as straightforward as it sounds. Along the way, we trace Kehlani’s journey from a turbulent childhood and early industry struggles to Grammy-winning recognition, reminding us that “overnight success” is often years in the making. We also explore the song’s musical DNA—from subtle nods to classic R&B textures reminiscent of Brandy to the orchestral flourishes that elevate it beyond a typical slow jam. But the heart of this episode lives in the tension of the lyrics: Is “Folded” a breakup song… or an invitation? A moment of closure… or the beginning of another cycle? We wrestle with the emotional reality behind lines like “come pick up your clothes,” and what they reveal about attachment, chemistry, and the stories we tell ourselves to stay connected. We also zoom out to talk about performance versus production—why live sessions (Colors, Tiny Desk, Spotify Sessions) hit differently in an AI-saturated world—and how music continues to be one of the most human forms of expression we have. And if you’ve ever considered going back to “pick up your clothes”… you might want to listen first. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby dig into “If You Don’t Want My Love” by Jalen Ngonda — a track that feels equal parts vintage and urgent. From the moment the needle drops (figuratively speaking), the conversation moves beyond the song itself and into something deeper: love, longing, and what we do when connection isn’t returned. Along the way, they unpack Ngonda’s origin story—from Maryland roots to the Liverpool Institute for Performing Arts—and explore the unmistakable texture of his sound: live instrumentation, layered harmonies, and what Toby dubs a “power falsetto.” It’s a voice that nods to legends like Sam Cooke and Marvin Gaye, but refuses to be pinned down. Joe and Toby zoom out to ask a bigger question: Why is this sound coming back now? Their answer lands somewhere between culture and craving. In a world of noise, speed, and algorithm-driven everything, this resurgence of organic, human-centered music feels less like nourishment. From Motown grooves to modern burnout, from solo concert experiences to shared moments of belonging, this episode is a meditation on connection itself. Music restores us. So whether you’re here for the riffs, the storytelling, or the search for something real…you’re in the right place!  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Happy hour meets high art in this episode of Riffs, as Joe and Toby crack open a drink—and Harry Styles’ latest single, “Aperture.” What starts as a laid-back catch-up quickly unfolds into a thoughtful exploration of artistry, vulnerability, and what it really means to “let the light in.” The guys dig into Harry’s evolution from boy band phenom to genre-defying artist, unpacking how Aperture reflects a deeper creative freedom. They explore the song’s unconventional structure, its layered (and sometimes elusive) lyrics, and why Harry continues to stand apart—not because he follows the rules, but because he doesn’t seem particularly interested in them. The conversation then stretches into something bigger: the relationship between self-awareness and growth. What does it mean to “know what you don’t”? How does owning your mistakes actually set you free? And why do the most meaningful breakthroughs often come from the moments we’d rather avoid? Along the way, Joe and Toby reflect on their own experiences—friendship, failure, creative process—and connect it all back to the song’s central idea: that openness, whether to others or to yourself, is where real transformation begins. They also dive into the sound of the track itself, encouraging listeners to go beyond earbuds and truly experience the depth of modern production—because sometimes the magic isn’t just in the melody, it’s in the layers you didn’t know were there. From bourbon mishaps to philosophical insights, this episode blends humor, heart, and sharp musical perspective—reminding us that great songs open something up inside of us. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby dive into Megan Moroney’s breakout hit “Tennessee Orange.” What begins as a conversation about Moroney’s songwriting quickly expands into a lively discussion about modern country music, storytelling, and the formula behind hit songs. Joe and Toby explore the clever narrative hook at the center of “Tennessee Orange.” The song opens with a line that feels like a confession or crisis, only to reveal a far more playful “sin”: a Georgia fan falling for someone who roots for Tennessee. That twist becomes the foundation of a story that blends humor, regional culture, and the deep loyalties of SEC football rivalries. From there, the conversation expands into Moroney’s artistic approach. They discuss how her songs often follow a recognizable country-pop structure, but stand out through sharp lyrical details and relatable storytelling. They also unpack the collaborative songwriting process common in Nashville, where writers’ rooms and shared ideas help shape songs that resonate widely with audiences. Joe and Toby also compare Moroney to fellow country artist Ella Langley, discussing how each artist occupies a slightly different lane within modern country music. While Langley leans more toward a traditional country sound, Moroney’s style blends country with pop influences and carefully crafted branding. Beyond the music itself, the episode explores the broader ecosystem of the country music industry, from Nashville songwriting culture to the ways artists strategically build their public personas. As always on Riffs on Riffs, the analysis is mixed with humor, personal stories, and plenty of tangents. For Joe and Toby, “Tennessee Orange” proves that clever songwriting and strong storytelling still sit at the heart of great music. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby tumble headfirst into the dreamy deep end with “No One Noticed” by The Marías, a song that doesn’t so much start as it appears, like fog rolling under a streetlamp. After a very calm, very normal intro that absolutely does not get hijacked immediately (😅), the guys unpack why this track hits with such quiet force: it’s simple on paper, hypnotic in practice, and emotionally loud without raising its voice. Toby takes us on one of his signature rabbit-hole journeys, starting with Maria Zardoya’s solo work and circling back to The Marías with fresh ears. Along the way, we get the context that adds extra gravity to the song: the band’s long creative arc, the relationship dynamics behind the scenes, and the unusually mature decision to invest in therapy to preserve the collaboration and keep the art alive. “Band therapy” becomes the unexpected MVP of the conversation, with the guys reflecting on how rare it is to choose respect and structure in the middle of a breakup. Musically, Joe and Toby geek out on why three chords can still feel like a universe. They talk chord flavor (hello, jazzy voicings), restraint, lush production choices, and how a track can stay harmonically steady while the texture shifts like light on water. The conversation drifts into color, too: why this era of The Marías feels blue, cinematic, and underwater, and what it means when music has a visual palette. Plus: rom-com vibes, Shazam-in-the-bathroom tactics, and a teaser for the show’s upcoming cover of the song (The Marías get the coins, don’t worry). 🎧💙 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Can you really go back to being “just friends”? In this episode Joe and Toby dig into “Back to Friends” by rising artist sombr, unpacking why this deceptively simple breakup song hits such a deep nerve. What starts as a discussion about a chart-climbing track quickly becomes a wide-ranging conversation about relationships, emotional maturity, artistic process, and the strange pressures of blowing up at twenty years old. Joe and Toby explore the universal tension at the heart of the song: the moment when intimacy ends, but connection hasn’t fully let go. Drawing from personal stories, they reflect on why “staying friends” so often fails, how nostalgia and comfort can keep people stuck, and why distance is sometimes the healthiest form of closure . The conversation also dives into sombr’s rapid rise, songwriting process, and creative discipline. From bedroom production to viral moments, they examine what it takes to build authentic music in the TikTok era, while pushing back on lazy “nepo baby” narratives and discussing the difference between criticism and performative hate . Along the way, the episode expands into thoughtful territory: the dopamine loop of outrage culture, scarcity vs. abundance mindsets in creativity, the value of repetition and throwing work away, and how artists evolve once their early heartbreak stories have been told. As always, Riffs on Riffs blends humor, honesty, and musical curiosity, closing with listener recommendations and reflections on what it means to grow up, move on, and keep writing anyway. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby unpack Ella Langley’s breakout country single “Choosin' Texas” and use it as a launchpad for a wide-ranging conversation about authenticity, songwriting, and what it means to grow up musically without losing your soul. What starts as a joke about surprise Midwest snowfall quickly turns into a thoughtful exploration of why this song feels different from so much of modern pop-country, and why that difference matters . The hosts dig into Langley’s storytelling chops, her old-school sensibilities, and the emotional maturity behind a song that resists the usual breakup tropes. Instead of smashed windows and slashed tires, “Choosing Texas” offers something rarer: reflection, restraint, and the quiet devastation of watching someone make a choice you can’t stop. Joe and Toby break down how her voice, her writing, and her refusal to rely on heavy production tricks like autotune make the song feel raw, human, and deeply relatable. From there, the episode expands into a bigger discussion about music, culture, and time. The guys talk about legacy artists, the importance of real voices, the dangers of AI-generated art, and why slowing down matters more than ever. Along the way, they share personal stories, music recommendations, and their own creative philosophies, connecting Langley’s work to everything from grunge to hip-hop to old folk songs about frogs going to court. This is an episode about choice, growth, and what happens when artists stop chasing trends and start telling the truth. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Joe and Toby clock in just ahead of game time to break down “All the Way” by BigXThaPlug, a country-rap crossover featuring Bailey Zimmerman. What starts as a quick review turns into a wide-ranging riff on genre blending, formulaic pop music, and where authenticity still lives in an increasingly algorithm-driven soundscape. Both hosts land in the same place with different routes: the song is fine, serviceable, and clearly engineered for mass appeal, but it never quite surprises. From there, the discussion widens to Big X the Plug’s broader album strategy, the heavy reliance on country features, and whether these collaborations feel like organic artistic chemistry or calculated plug-ins designed to maximize reach. Joe questions the rigidity of the verse-chorus-rap-verse formula, while Toby frames the project as a cake pulled from the oven just a little too early. The episode also detours into larger cultural territory. They unpack the rise of AI-assisted music, debating whether it’s a creative shortcut, a novelty, or a symptom of an industry already addicted to predictability. Analogies fly, from fast food to microwave meals, as Joe and Toby wrestle with what listeners really want: innovation or familiarity. Along the way, they touch on Texas hip-hop history, DJ Screw, the legacy of Southern rap, and why genre boundaries still spark outrage in 2025. Anchored by humor, sharp critiques, and a ticking pre-game clock, this episode isn’t just about one song. It’s about what pop music is, what it’s becoming, and whether “just okay” is good enough anymore. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby take a deep, joyful, and thoughtful journey into “Baile Inolvidable”, a song that feels like a dance remembered long after the music stops. What begins as a discussion of Bad Bunny’s latest single quickly unfolds into a rich conversation about salsa, nostalgia, cultural memory, and what it means to honor your roots while still pushing art forward. We explore how “Baile Inolvidable” functions on multiple levels: as a love song, a reflection on formative relationships, and a bold artistic statement. We discuss Bad Bunny’s decision to fully embrace salsa, a genre with deep historical and cultural significance, and how that choice adds emotional weight to the song’s themes of acceptance, gratitude, and looking back without regret. Along the way, Toby and Joe share personal stories sparked by the music, including memories of learning to dance, the generosity of dance communities, and the way certain songs can instantly transport us to another time in our lives. The episode also breaks down the music video’s powerful symbolism, including the appearance of Puerto Rican cultural icons and subtle visual details that reward curious viewers willing to look a little deeper. Beyond the song itself, the conversation expands into larger ideas about creativity, stillness, and why boredom and rest are essential for making meaningful art. We reflect on Bad Bunny’s career choices, his cultural activism, his genre-defying approach, and the importance of making space for voices and styles that may be unfamiliar to some listeners. This episode is about dance as memory, music as education, and art as an invitation to learn, move, and feel together. Whether you’re a longtime Bad Bunny fan or encountering his work more deeply for the first time, this conversation offers context, warmth, and plenty of reasons to press play again. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back to Riffs on Riffs, where in this episode Joe and Toby break down Amber Mark’s “Sweet Serotonin,” a track off her latest album Pretty Ideas, and explore why she’s becoming one of the most compelling voices in modern pop, R&B, and genre-bending artistry. They dive into Amber’s global background—Jamaican roots, German family, years spent in Berlin, India, Miami, and New York—and how that cultural mixtape shapes her sound. From Motown and Amy Winehouse inflections to country detours, folk gems, and dreamy pop, Amber refuses to fit neatly into any genre box. Some of the riffing: • The Tiny Desk (Home) performance that proves Amber has serious vocal chops • Wildly different tracks across the album—from “Let Me Love You” to the John the Blind collab • Her production journey from GarageBand to fully owning her artistic vision • Great covers (Sade! Bill Withers!) and why they matter • The dopamine-vs-serotonin debate and what the song is really saying • Touring with Sabrina Carpenter and the potential power-duo moment we all need • Whether Pretty Ideas is officially vinyl-worthy And then, as only Joe and Toby can, the episode spirals into hilarious side quests: parenting through playlists, NBA-fueled late nights, Jay-Z’s ability to stop time, speakerphone offenders in public (stop it!), Thanksgiving myth-busting, flash-mob revenge fantasies, and the eternal struggle of Browns fans. Hit subscribe, drop a comment, and let us know: Is Pretty Ideas vinyl-worthy for you? What should Joe & Toby’s holiday song be? And have you ever wanted to throw a metaphorical penalty flag at a speakerphone sociopath? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

When Daniel Caesar quietly dropped his album "Son of Spergy", most of the world didn’t see it coming. In this episode Joe and Toby dive deep into Caesar’s lead single “Call On Me,” uncovering the soulful layers, hidden nuance, and emotional depth that make his music feel both intimate and transcendent. Per usual, the conversation starts with a laugh — Shakespeare references, hats, and Toby’s ongoing book of analogies — but soon spirals into an exploration of what harmony really means in music and in life. Joe breaks out the guitar to dissect Caesar’s deceptively simple two-chord vamp, revealing how small changes in tonality and phrasing can create something entirely fresh in pop music. Toby draws parallels between gospel, jazz, and the improvisational genius that defines Caesar’s sound — a sound that lives in tension between structure and soul. Together, they explore: The gospel and jazz DNA behind Caesar’s harmonies How musical “vocabularies” shape every artist — and why Caesar’s is joyfully odd The spiritual throughline in his songwriting and his relationship with his father What it means to reconcile faith, creativity, and identity through art Why harmony, not balance, is the truer metaphor for living a whole life As the conversation unfolds, “Call On Me” becomes a mirror for something universal — how we all try to live as complex, imperfect humans in search of connection and clarity. Joe and Toby riff on everything from Joseph Campbell’s Hero’s Journey to side quests in Zelda, from father-son relationships to finding the melody that ties our stories together. By the end, what starts as a discussion about one artist’s song becomes a meditation on purpose, reconciliation, and the beauty of learning to live in harmony — musically, emotionally, and spiritually. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sink your teeth into Tame Impala’s “Dracula” as Joe and Toby riff on the glittering, slightly dystopian pull of Kevin Parker’s synth-pop era. Is “Dracula” a shimmering cousin to “The Less I Know the Better”? Where do The Weeknd vibes and MJ/“Thriller” nods fit in? The duo debates lone-wolf studio genius vs. the power of collaboration, decode the video’s cult-ish unease, geek out on sounds (hello, Rhodes), and swap notes on why nighttime unlocks different creative choices. They close with a heartfelt nod to D’Angelo’s enduring influence. In this episode: Why “Dracula” and “The Less I Know the Better” feel like siblings The charm of “danceable but unsettling” pop Timbaland breadcrumbs vs. Rick Rubin chameleon-mode: producer fingerprints Studio polish vs. live translation—how Tame makes it work Instruments we love (and lovingly roast): Rhodes, sax, clarinet/oboe Night-mode creativity—why some songs only reveal themselves after dark A tribute to D’Angelo’s legacy Follow Riffs on Riffs everywhere you listen, and say hi on Instagram @riffsonriffs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Slide into cozy Sunday-morning vibes with Joe and Toby as they dive into Olivia Dean’s “Man I Need” from her new album The Art of Loving. They unpack why this track is exploding right now, trace the album’s inspirations (bell hooks’ All About Love and a Mickalene Thomas installation), and explore the record’s intentional warmth — “fearless joy” delivered with classic, less-is-more production and a spotlight on Dean’s voice. In this episode: Why “Man I Need” became the pick—and what makes the whole album vinyl-worthy. The art-as-antidote conversation: simplicity, authenticity, and choosing collaborators with purpose. Lineage and influences: Whitney to Sade to Amy/Alicia echoes—without sounding retro-stuck. Crafting in a “house of love”: eight weeks, a favorite piano, and a feel of warmth. Healing and creative practice: nature, community, volunteering, and the “ten-things” reset list. Tell us your top four tracks from The Art of Loving. Drop a comment and keep the conversation going. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Joe and Toby ladle up a hearty conversation about Remi Wolf’s track “Soup” from her 2024 release Big Ideas. From funky basslines to chaotic brilliance, they break down how Remi’s stream-of-consciousness writing and fearless authenticity create songs that are equal parts journal entry and anthem. Along the way, Joe and Toby reflect on what it means to show up as your whole self—in music, in work, and in life. Expect tangents on chili’s questionable soup status, Spotify relapses, lobster bisque loyalty, and spirit animals. Can you guess who might be a koala? Whether you’re a longtime Remi Wolf fan or just discovering her sound, this episode blends music analysis, personal stories, and plenty of laughs into one big, tasty bowl. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

“Sometimes all I think about is you…” In this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby revisit Glass Animals’ breakout hit “Heat Waves” — the indie-pop anthem that simmered for more than a year before reaching #1 on the Billboard Hot 100. They explore how a song written in an hour became a global phenomenon, fueled by TikTok trends, a FIFA soundtrack placement, and a slow-burn resonance during the isolation of the pandemic. The hosts unpack the track’s hypnotic melodies, hip-hop-inspired production, and Dave Bayley’s vulnerable lyrics about loss and memory. They also dive into the band’s evolution, from earlier experimental sounds to the more personal storytelling on Dreamland and beyond, reflecting on how near-tragedy and resilience shaped their music. Along the way, Joe and Toby bring their signature mix of humor and insight — from stories about pickleball shorts and Johnny Depp’s unexpected cameo as the song’s first listener, to bigger conversations about why authenticity in music matters, the role of community, and how the best songs manage to capture both personal grief and universal connection. If you’ve ever had “Heat Waves” stuck in your head (and who hasn’t?), this episode takes you deeper into why the song lingers — not just as an earworm, but as a reminder of the bonds that carry us through. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby dive deep into the mysterious world of Sleep Token and their hauntingly beautiful track “Aqua Regia.” From masked identities and cult-like lore to genre-bending fusion of jazz chords, hip hop grooves, and metal intensity, the hosts unravel what makes this band so captivating. Joe introduces the track as a “gateway drug” into Sleep Token’s catalog, while Toby breaks down Vessel’s vocal range, harmonies, and the unexpected piano voicings that give the song its unique edge. Along the way, they explore themes of love, dissolution, and emotional alchemy hidden in the lyrics—and even imagine wild collaborations with Taylor Swift or Kendrick Lamar. As always, the conversation riffs beyond the music itself: into the power of mystery in art, how younger generations engage with music, and the surprising connections between listening habits, technology, and culture. Whether you’re already a devoted “worshipper” of Sleep Token or just curious about the buzz, this episode promises fresh insight, thoughtful laughs, and a few classic Toby rants. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Toby and Joe explore one of the most powerful tracks in recent hip hop memory: “The Birds Don’t Sing” by Clipse. This chronicle of lived experience is a song that delivers raw vulnerability, poetic lyricism, and emotional depth. They unpack the sibling synergy of Pusha T and Malice, reflect on how the song’s lyrics about loss, grief, and family resonate universally, and celebrate the grown-man energy that defines this track and the album as a whole. From production quirks and Pharrell’s bold choices to lyrical callbacks and real-life pain, Joe and Toby give this track the kind of careful, heartfelt analysis it deserves. They also explore the broader cultural implications of the album—from moving beyond coke rap to challenging stereotypes about Black fatherhood. The human experience is universal. Songs like these remind us why music matters. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Joe and Toby step into the funky vortex of the 90s to revisit Jamiroquai’s iconic hit "Virtual Insanity." From sliding sofas and wild hats to acid jazz breakdowns and ballet-inspired footwork, the duo dives deep into what made this track and its legendary video so unforgettable. Along the way, they unpack the legacy of acid jazz as the spiritual ancestor of lo-fi, the entertaining genius of Jay Kay, and the unsung heroics of bassist Stuart Zender. Plus: the not so well known interpolation of Jocelyn Brown, the influence of Stevie Wonder, a heartfelt ode to underrated basslines, and why OK Go treadmills may be the spiritual cousins of floating couches. And for those wondering what kind of check it would take to ditch the day job for an 8-album record deal, don’t worry, that math gets worked out too. Whether you're here for the history, the grooves, or the glorious weirdness of moving furniture, this episode’s got something for every music nerd. Disco ain't dead, and neither is acid jazz. Crazy times indeed. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode of Riffs on Riffs we throw caution (and rhythm) to the wind as we dive into WALK THE MOON’s unstoppable earworm, “Shut Up and Dance.” From wedding reception dance floors to nostalgic 80s synthpop vibes, learn how a spur-of-the-moment lyric became a global indie-pop anthem. Join us as we reminisce about awkward dancefloor moments, wax poetic about college memories, and draw hilarious parallels between the song and Chasing Amy, Clerks, and yes—even The Breakfast Club. You'll learn how a night out in Echo Park turned into a platinum hit, why Kenyon College has a surprising music legacy, and what Sting's “Walking on the Moon” has to do with WALK THE MOON. Plus: indie pop’s mysterious disappearance, Spotify playlist rants, surprise shout-outs to Remy Wolf, U2, David Byrne, and even Will Smith’s not-so-welcome comeback. Listen in for a joyful, nostalgic, and surprisingly philosophical ride through one of the happiest songs of the 2010s. So… just shut up and press play. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby dive deep into the song 'Ordinary' by Alex Warren, exploring its themes, musical style, and the personal experiences that shaped it. They discuss Warren's journey from social media influencer to musician, the impact of personal trauma on songwriting, and the evolving landscape of the music industry in the age of social media. Learn about the subtle (and obvious) connections to Gospel music, why even famous artists have imposter syndrome, and what it means to be authentic in content creation. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby dive into the emotionally rich world of Ravyn Lenae, with a spotlight on her rising hit "Love Me Not." They unpack the track’s surprising lyrical depth and discuss how Ravyn’s distinctive vocal style—initially unexpected, yet undeniably captivating—sets her apart in today’s music scene. Along the way, they explore her roots, the evolution of her sound from Bird’s Eye to now, and how vulnerability and authenticity fuel not just her storytelling, but the listener's emotional connection. From parental influences to fearless nonconformity, this conversation is a heartfelt celebration of what happens when an artist fully embraces their voice. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby kick things off with some love for their dogs before diving into “MUTT,” the bold and emotionally rich single from Leon Thomas. They explore how the track—and the album of the same name—uses personal storytelling, inventive R&B production, and sharp lyricism to reflect themes of love, identity, and creative independence. Along the way, they discuss Leon Thomas’s evolution from actor to boundary-pushing musician, the importance of originality in today’s remake-saturated entertainment world, and how MUTT stands out as a cohesive artistic statement in a sea of playlist-filler. With reflections on intentionality, vulnerability, and the power of authentic expression, this episode is a celebration of music that dares to do something different. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby dive into Doechii’s powerful track “ANXIETY” and the fearless vulnerability that defines her artistry. They explore how her seamless blend of rapping and singing, backed by raw emotional honesty, is reshaping the sound and soul of modern hip hop. From her rise under the Top Dawg Entertainment banner to the way performance deepens the emotional impact of her music, the conversation touches on the evolving role of mental health in artistic expression, the power of dual perspectives in songwriting, and the joy that can coexist with struggle. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Toby and Joe dive into Benson Boone’s meteoric rise, from his first brush with fame on American Idol to his decision to carve his own path as an artist. They break down his hit single "Beautiful Things," exploring its themes of vulnerability, the fleeting nature of happiness, and the weight of success. Along the way, they discuss the evolving conversation around masculinity in music, the importance of self-belief, and the physical toll of high-energy performances—especially when backflips at the Grammys are involved. They also examine what makes "Beautiful Things" resonate so deeply, all while celebrating the twists, turns, and occasional stumbles that come with chasing greatness. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, Joe and Toby break down “Born Again,” the electrifying 2025 collaboration between LISA, Doja Cat, and RAYE. From its fusion of disco, hip-hop, and pop to its themes of empowerment and artistic control, they explore how the track reflects the changing landscape of the music industry. The conversation dives into the global impact of K-Pop, the resurgence of live instrumentation, and the rise of female emcees commanding their space. Along the way, they discuss LISA’s journey as a solo artist, the massive influence of BLACKPINK, and why nostalgia continues to shape modern hits. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Joe and Toby take a deep dive into SZA's ethereal track "Saturn," unpacking its emotional resonance, poetic lyrics, and bold approach to rhythm and structure. They explore how SZA's transparency about mental health reflects a generational shift, discuss the evolution of R&B through comparisons to past artists, and examine how her collaborations and artistic growth have carved out a unique space in the industry. Along the way, the duo weaves in fascinating connections between music, cultural trends, and even the passion of debating basketball legends, all while celebrating SZA's role in shaping the future of R&B. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Joe and Toby dive into Morgan Wallen’s heartfelt track "Smile," exploring its nostalgic themes, vivid storytelling, and how it reflects the evolution of country music. They discuss Wallen’s unprecedented chart success, the challenges of separating an artist’s personal life from their work, and the way music videos can shape and amplify a song’s narrative. Along the way, the duo examines how country music continues to blend with other genres and the role of personal growth in shaping an artist’s output. This conversation is a must-listen for anyone intrigued by the ever-changing landscape of modern country music. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby dive into Cynthia Erivo’s breathtaking rendition of “Defying Gravity” from Wicked, celebrating its powerful themes of empowerment, individuality, and overcoming adversity. They explore the song’s intricate composition and emotional resonance, reflecting on Broadway’s unique ability to connect deeply with audiences through storytelling and performance. From the evolution of Elphaba’s character to the cultural significance of diversity in casting, the duo examines the intentional choices that make Wicked a modern masterpiece. With personal anecdotes and thoughtful insights, Joe and Toby discuss the challenges and joys of musical storytelling, the importance of embracing originality in theater, and how songs like “Defying Gravity” inspire listeners to rise above expectations and embrace their true selves. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby dive into the collaboration between Bruno Mars and Lady Gaga on the track "Die With a Smile." From their initial reactions to the song and its polarizing music video to an exploration of Bruno’s nostalgic yet innovative style, the guys unpack the artistry behind this unique pairing. They discuss the critical role of producers like Andrew Watt and D’Mile, the importance of collaboration in shaping a song’s success, and the industry’s reliance on strategic timing and marketing for Grammy nods. With playful comparisons to basketball strategies and reflections on the evolving versatility of both artists, Joe and Toby offer insights into what makes great music transcend genres and expectations. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby dive into Chappell Roan's emotional hit “Good Luck, Babe!” to explore her powerful lyrics, musical structure, and the cultural influences shaping her sound. They discuss the impact of drag culture on her performance style, drawing connections to the 80s music revival and how modern artists like Roan are reinterpreting classic sounds while embracing vulnerability. The duo touches on the deep connection between artists and fans, examining the pressures of fame and the bravery required to perform. Rich in personal anecdotes, the episode highlights the importance of contemporary female artists supporting and influencing each other, and how Roan’s music resonates with universal themes of love, heartbreak, and the courage it takes to be true to oneself. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this festive episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby unwrap the timeless magic of Nat King Cole's iconic "The Christmas Song." They explore Mel Torme's pivotal role in its creation, the cultural legacy of holiday music, and even the unexpected musical connections found in hip hop sampling. With thoughtful reflections on empathy, storytelling, and the enduring power of music, this episode reminds us that the holidays are about more than just the joyous melodies—they're about the memories and emotions that last long after the final note. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Toby and Joe dive into Shaboozey's 2024 hit single, "A Bar Song (Tipsy)," unpacking its clever interpolation of J-Kwon's "Tipsy" and its rise as a quintessential drinking anthem. They explore Shaboozey's evolution as an artist, his diverse musical influences, and the cultural implications of blending genres like country and hip-hop. The conversation explores the polarizing use of auto-tune, the complexities of race in country music, and how Shaboozey’s strategic marketing bolstered his visibility. With a nod to the storytelling power of music, Toby and Joe reflect on how "A Bar Song" bridges cultural divides and redefines expectations in the industry. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby dive into the story of Teddy Swims and his breakout hit "Lose Control," which holds the record for the longest climb to number one on the charts. Known for his soulful voice and heartfelt authenticity, Teddy’s journey from football to music is as inspiring as it is unique. Joe and Toby discuss how his YouTube covers catapulted him to fame, the meaning behind his stage name, and the role of collaboration in crafting his music. They explore themes of vulnerability in songwriting, the evolving perception of appearance in pop stardom, and the double standards faced by male and female artists. With reflections on music education, tattoos as storytelling, and the importance of embracing optimism, this episode celebrates Teddy Swims as a modern artist who connects deeply with his audience through both his music and his message. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, Joe and Toby dive into Laufey’s 2023 single “From The Start”, a song that highlights her unique style—a captivating mix of jazz, pop, and classical elements. Laufey, an Icelandic-Chinese artist known for her velvety vocals and vintage sound, blends the warmth of jazz standards with contemporary pop flair, crafting songs that capture young love and introspection. In this episode, Joe and Toby discuss the nuances of her hauntingly beautiful voice and her ability to make listeners feel both the thrill and ache of romance. Tune in to hear their thoughts on how Laufey channels old-world elegance into modern melodies, making her music as timeless as it is fresh. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Joe and Toby are joined by special guest Brandon Terry to explore the lasting legacy of LL Cool J, discussing his recent album drop and his impact on hip hop. They dive into the evolution of LL's music, his role in coining the term "GOAT," and the cultural significance of his classic albums. The conversation also covers the importance of showmanship, comparing iconic voices in hip hop, and reflecting on lessons from DMX’s powerful performances. As they celebrate hip hop’s 50th anniversary, they touch on ageism in the genre, LL's controversial history with Canibus, and the rise of the underground movement. The episode wraps up with the guys dropping exciting news about their own upcoming music release. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby take a deep dive into Billie Eilish's 2024 single, "BIRDS OF A FEATHER." They explore the song’s emotional complexity, touching on how Billie’s haunting lyrics and minimalist sound create a profound impact. The discussion highlights her collaboration with brother Finneas and how family dynamics can fuel creativity, while also reflecting on the importance of protecting young artists in an industry fraught with pressures. Joe and Toby also examine the toxic themes often hidden in pop music and how Eilish uses her unique sound to tell vivid, visual stories that resonate with listeners. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, Joe and Toby discuss Sabrina Carpenter's hit 2024 single "Please Please Please," diving deep into how this catchy pop anthem blends vulnerability with irresistible melodies. They explore Carpenter's impact on pop culture, examining how her lyrics resonate with her generation and reflect the heartache that affects both the heart and ego. They also touch on the unique challenges child stars face in navigating fame, as well as the crucial role of collaboration in songwriting. From her seamless genre-blending to her potential in film, Joe and Toby consider Sabrina's bright future in entertainment. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Joe and Toby dive into the career and influence of T-Pain, focusing on his hit song "Buy U a Drank." They explore how T-Pain’s groundbreaking use of auto-tune set him apart and helped define his unique sound. The conversation covers his bold decision to turn down record deals, the impact of Jay-Z’s “D.O.A. (Death Of Auto-Tune)” on his career, and how T-Pain silenced critics with live performances that showcased his vocal talent. They also touch on the importance of authenticity, taking risks, and T-Pain’s lasting influence on artists like Drake and Future. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, Joe and Toby dive into the world of Hozier with a discussion about his #1 hit single "Too Sweet." They explore Hozier's career, his unique blend of folk, soul, and blues, and the profound meaning behind his lyrics. The discussion highlights the effortless beauty of his vocals, his literary references, and his thematic messages. Joe and Toby also touch on Hozier's activism, the harmony within his band, and how streaming platforms have helped artists like him achieve international success. Tune in to discover why Hozier's authenticity and dedication to his artistic vision make him stand out in today's music landscape. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, Joe and Toby dive into the hauntingly beautiful song "Back to Black" and the album of the same name by Amy Winehouse. They explore how the title track captures themes of heartbreak, vulnerability, and emotional depth, setting the tone for the entire album. The conversation also gets into the broader impact of Back to Black, its influence on music, and its connection to mental health and artistic expression. Joe and Toby also discuss contemporary artists who might fill the void left by Amy Winehouse's passing, reflecting on her enduring legacy and the power of her music. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, Toby and Joe dive into The Weeknd’s 2015 smash hit “Can’t Feel My Face.” They explore Abel Tesfaye's background and the inspirations behind his Michael Jackson-esque vocal stylings. The duo discusses how the infectious lyric “I can’t feel my face when I’m with you” perfectly captures the song’s mix of pop hooks and drug-fueled emotions. They also highlight how The Weeknd seamlessly blends elements of R&B, pop, funk, and EDM in his music, creating a unique yet accessible sound. Toby and Joe share their personal insights on The Weeknd’s impressive body of work and examine other tracks with both subtle and overt drug references, emphasizing how this theme has shaped the sound and message of modern music. Tune in for an engaging conversation that uncovers the influences and innovations behind one of the decade’s defining hits. Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this week’s episode, Joe and Toby dive deep into Journey’s legendary 1981 single “Don’t Stop Believin’” and explore the song’s rich history along with their personal connections to this timeless anthem. The guys discuss how the song’s structure cleverly delays the iconic chorus, creating a powerful moment when Steve Perry finally belts out the main hook, and they marvel at Perry’s incredible vocal prowess that makes this moment so unforgettable. With insights into the song’s creation and reflections on how it has resonated in their own lives, Joe and Toby offer listeners a heartfelt journey into why this track remains a beacon of hope and resilience. Tune in and get ready to hold on to that feelin’ of classic rock greatness! Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this special crossover episode of Riffs on Riffs, Joe and Toby team up with Todd Coats and Elliot Strunk from the Two Designers Walk Into a Bar podcast to talk about those rare and special albums that blow our minds both sonically and visually. Together, the four share their own picks of iconic albums where the music and visual aesthetics combine to create something that transcends beyond both music and visual art. From universally acclaimed classics to hidden gems, each host passionately defends their picks while sharing personal anecdotes and the stories behind the artwork's conception. If you enjoy the banter of your beloved Riffs hosts, then the 2X multiplier of 2 Designers will be a treat! Join us for conversation on design choices, musical influences, and the profound impact of album art on our cultural consciousness. Just be sure to tip your bartenders and wait staff!    Learn more and listen to Two Designers Walk into a Bar here: https://www.twodesignerswalkintoabar.com Riffs on Riffs is brought to you by DistroKid, the ultimate partner for taking your music to the next level. Riffs on Riffs listeners get 30% off your first YEAR with DistroKid by signing up at http://distrokid.com/vip/riffsonriffs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices